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Most real jobs contribute to some degree to the destruction of the environment. Real jobs are venues for petite sadists to abuse others. The work ethic is a philosophy created by aristocrats to keep serfs busy and prevent them from thinking, hey if I put the same energy in another direction as I do working for that schmuck I could have a nice life.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    TBird, do you like eating and wearing clothes...having a roof over your head???
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    Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

    TBird, do you like eating and wearing clothes...having a roof over your head???
    The construction and food industries are excellent examples of why real jobs suck. They are extremely wasteful and destructive.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      They may suck, but they are essential. Where would our economy be without those jobs?!
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        They may suck, but they are essential. Where would our economy be without those jobs?!
        I'm of the school of thought that it is better to provide or support alternatives that you can believe in than get into a state of limbo over it. Just working for the sake of working, for me, is destructive and maybe even defeatist thinking.
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      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      The construction and food industries are excellent examples of why real jobs suck. They are extremely wasteful and destructive.
      Yeah, but I'm not sure I'd want to or know how to build my own house.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

        Yeah, but I'm not sure I'd want to or know how to build my own house.
        It is actually very cool stuff to explore. For example, you could literally build a house that is likely superior to the one you live in, with mud:
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Garbage/rubbish collectors are awesome.

      Not only is it a more intensive job than most people understand, the whole of society would grind to a stop without their service.
      Absolutely agree with you. The least expendable people in the world are farmers, construction workers, and sanitation workers. I don't blame them for the wasteful ways in which their highly vital services are organized.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    ... hey if I put the same energy in another direction as I do working for that schmuck I could have a nice life.
    So true. It's funny how people will work like a rented mule for someone else but won't do so for themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author ladywriter
    I tend to agree but I know many people just don't want to think about work that much. They go to work, do what they're told for 8 hours, at the end of two weeks get a paycheck. They don't want to have to hustle, search out clients, come up with entire structures themselves, etc. It's a lot of work for "work".

    Everyone doesn't want to be an entrepreneur. I don't see myself happy being anything other, and I'm not even an official entrepreneur yet. I'm an adult, I don't want to have to get permission to stay home if I'm ill ffs.
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    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    Most real jobs contribute to some degree to the destruction of the environment. Real jobs are venues for petite sadists to abuse others. The work ethic is a philosophy created by aristocrats to keep serfs busy and prevent them from thinking, hey if I put the same energy in another direction as I do working for that schmuck I could have a nice life.
    Oh yeah!?!?!? So what do you plan to do. Here's a hint! DON'T say IM! That requires people in real jobs, and contributes to the destruction of the environment.

    As for keeping serfs busy? Did you ever think that, in a way, EVERYONE here uses a SLAVE? So it can't think/reason, and doesn't need the simpler things of life, it still does your bidding and YOU make money off of it. The computer. What if the computers weren't there? Don't forget, there is waste in making them, assembling them, and running them.

    You are right on that last statement though. I just told a neighbor about how a project, that SHOULD take a day, has taken over a MONTH. Someone ELSE started trying last year and has NOTHING to show for it. Isn't corporate life GRAND!?!?!? Well, at least they get expenses to pad their budgets.

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Oh yeah!?!?!? So what do you plan to do. Here's a hint! DON'T say IM! That requires people in real jobs, and contributes to the destruction of the environment.<snip>
      To survive, most of us must deal with what is real rather than what would be ideal. It doesn't mean one has to like it or agree with it. Creating a better choice is the way, but to get there one has to contend with reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I think there is something seriously wrong with a society where a person is forced to work his or her arse off for 50 odd years just to have a roof over his head. I don't know what the alternative would be but it goes against the whole concept of free will.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      I think there is something seriously wrong with a society where a person is forced to work his or her arse off for 50 odd years just to have a roof over his head.
      A person does not need to work his ass off for 50 odd years just to have a roof over his head. He just needs to find a nice sheet of plywood. And scrap pieces of plywood are easy to come by because, as thunderbird has suggested, the construction industry is wasteful.
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        Just a figure of speech. I think you get my drift though.

        Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

        A person does not need to work his ass off for 50 odd years just to have a roof over his head. He just needs to find a nice sheet of plywood. And scrap pieces of plywood are easy to come by because, as thunderbird has suggested, the construction industry is wasteful.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Yeah, but I'm not sure I'd want to or know how to build my own house.
          And that's the point. Marketers like to fuss about jobs and free will - and they don't have to take a job and they already have free will (which is only the right to make up your own mind).

          You can live off the grid, build your own home with scrap, grow your food, make your clothes, build your own solar panels and cut wood for a wood stove or fireplace.

          But you can't do all that without work. Most people need doctors and nurses, convenience store and department store clerks, plumbers and electricians, builders and truck drivers, engineers, waitresses and all the rest of those "poor people" who work to earn a living. Then there are those who clean up your messes and the soldiers who protect your freedoms..the people who build your computers and your couches and process the foods you buy and sell the food to you.

          My Grandmother drilled into me that a job worth doing was worth doing well. My Grandfather was more straightforward - "If you are going to muck out your horse's stall, make it cleanest damn stall any horse ever had".

          If you don't want to work a job - find another way to earn a living. But unless you expect others to take care of you, there is work involved no matter how you pay your way in this world.

          If you have a job and complain about it all the time and do only what's required to keep the job - how do you have a sense of pride in yourself? People who do that cheat themselves and their employers.

          The trick is to prepare yourself to do a job you enjoy and have interest in. That part is up to you.

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    Ya know TB - when I was younger if companies were abusive, people just didn't work for them. Now people are so afraid of their own shadows that they will take extraordinary abuses and refuse to stand up for their rights so companies feel free to do whatever they want. I worked for a company about 8 or 9 years ago that expected some department's employees to work 15 hour days, 6 days a week for months at a time. One guy died of a coronary - another was hospitalized and then fired while in the hospital. They literally called him after the doctor had just said he should not be stressed and fired him for being sick. Another had an almost fatal car crash because he was too tired to drive. Yet I was about the only one that told this company to take a flying **** at a rolling donut when they told me they were putting me on 12 hour days. I was already working 10 hour days 6 days a week. I told them flat out "no" and if that's not okay, tell me now so I know not to bother to set the alarm for ya. They didn't let me go. Later they failed to give me a promised raise (the CPO didn't wanna part with commissions) I gave them a two week notice. They were freaking stunned. Wanted me to train 3 people to take over for me and I laughed in their face. I told them that if they were stupid enough to let someone go to save a couple bucks an hour that they needed 3 people to replace didn't need me to train employees, but that their execs could use some education. Then I left. I heard employee after employee complaining, marriages and health ruined, homes repoed because of promised raises never given -- yet they didn't walk.

    So there ya go. Work isn't bad, but not defending yourself from carnivores is. Go to a company and if they are using you as a porcelain receptacle have the balls to get a different job. I have no sympathy for people that bitch about something they refuse to change. Adults should understand where to draw integrity lines. If they don't it means they have slave mentalities - so let them be what they are good for - slaves.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Ya know TB - when I was younger if companies were abusive, people just didn't work for them. Now people are so afraid of their own shadows that they will take extraordinary abuses and refuse to stand up for their rights so companies feel free to do whatever they want. I worked for a company about 8 or 9 years ago that expected some department's employees to work 15 hour days, 6 days a week for months at a time. One guy died of a coronary - another was hospitalized and then fired while in the hospital. They literally called him after the doctor had just said he should not be stressed and fired him for being sick. Another had an almost fatal car crash because he was too tired to drive. Yet I was about the only one that told this company to take a flying **** at a rolling donut when they told me they were putting me on 12 hour days. I was already working 10 hour days 6 days a week. I told them flat out "no" and if that's not okay, tell me now so I know not to bother to set the alarm for ya. They didn't let me go. Later they failed to give me a promised raise (the CPO didn't wanna part with commissions) I gave them a two week notice. They were freaking stunned. Wanted me to train 3 people to take over for me and I laughed in their face. I told them that if they were stupid enough to let someone go to save a couple bucks an hour that they needed 3 people to replace didn't need me to train employees, but that their execs could use some education. Then I left. I heard employee after employee complaining, marriages and health ruined, homes repoed because of promised raises never given -- yet they didn't walk.

      So there ya go. Work isn't bad, but not defending yourself from carnivores is. Go to a company and if they are using you as a porcelain receptacle have the balls to get a different job. I have no sympathy for people that bitch about something they refuse to change. Adults should understand where to draw integrity lines. If they don't it means they have slave mentalities - so let them be what they are good for - slaves.
      Awesome post! Corporations have gotten to the point of ruthless dictator lately. It's good to hear about people who are able to stand up for themselves. I rather be crippled then go to work for someone else again.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Torreylee View Post

        Awesome post! Corporations have gotten to the point of ruthless dictator lately. It's good to hear about people who are able to stand up for themselves. I rather be crippled then go to work for someone else again.
        Yeah - living gets lean when you live with principles, but I'd rather it was scathingly lean for awhile than have it always that way. When they start renigging on raises, you're cooked if you stay with them.

        LOL - My direct supervisor at that company from my last post put her finger in my face once when I was new and screamed at me. I was very calm about it - Just said "first off, get your damned finger out of my face. Second, you lower that voice......" About that time the plant manager, who I got along with tremendously well, walked up behind her as she was saying "I am the boss here and I will put my finger in your face if I want to and I will talk how I please" and at that time I looked up at Mark and said - you want your little "boss" here or do you want me?" She was in his office for two hours. I knew her complete job, and there were parts that she couldn't do, supervisor by seniority, not knowledge. I didn't take her job - because I didn't want salary work with them - would have made less. She got real nice to me after that. I saved her butt once real good just to make her feel better about having to work with me.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


          LOL - My direct supervisor at that company from my last post put her finger in my face once when I was new and screamed at me. I was very calm about it - Just said "first off, get your damned finger out of my face. Second, you lower that voice......"

          Yea, I tried that in boot camp, but somehow the drill sergeant didn't come around to my way of thinking....

          The military is one of the most destructive, money wasting, polluting industries on earth, and completely necessary.

          You know, somebody has to do some of these crappy jobs.
          Some people are still born into serfdom even these day's, and without going into socioeconomic psychoanalytical psychobabble about what I mean...
          it's whether you stay in that mindset, that matters...
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Yes. Nowadays that is not the exception. It is the norm.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Ya know TB - when I was younger if companies were abusive, people just didn't work for them. Now people are so afraid of their own shadows that they will take extraordinary abuses and refuse to stand up for their rights so companies feel free to do whatever they want. I worked for a company about 8 or 9 years ago that expected some department's employees to work 15 hour days, 6 days a week for months at a time. One guy died of a coronary - another was hospitalized and then fired while in the hospital. They literally called him after the doctor had just said he should not be stressed and fired him for being sick. Another had an almost fatal car crash because he was too tired to drive. Yet I was about the only one that told this company to take a flying **** at a rolling donut when they told me they were putting me on 12 hour days. I was already working 10 hour days 6 days a week. I told them flat out "no" and if that's not okay, tell me now so I know not to bother to set the alarm for ya. They didn't let me go. Later they failed to give me a promised raise (the CPO didn't wanna part with commissions) I gave them a two week notice. They were freaking stunned. Wanted me to train 3 people to take over for me and I laughed in their face. I told them that if they were stupid enough to let someone go to save a couple bucks an hour that they needed 3 people to replace didn't need me to train employees, but that their execs could use some education. Then I left. I heard employee after employee complaining, marriages and health ruined, homes repoed because of promised raises never given -- yet they didn't walk.

      So there ya go. Work isn't bad, but not defending yourself from carnivores is. Go to a company and if they are using you as a porcelain receptacle have the balls to get a different job. I have no sympathy for people that bitch about something they refuse to change. Adults should understand where to draw integrity lines. If they don't it means they have slave mentalities - so let them be what they are good for - slaves.
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        Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

        So true. It's funny how people will work like a rented mule for someone else but won't do so for themselves.
        You're always working for someone else even when you are self-employed.
        If you provide a service you need someone else to use it. If you write a book you need someone else to purchase it and read it. Anything you do to make money you have to do for someone else or no one will buy your product or service.
        Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

        I think there is something seriously wrong with a society where a person is forced to work his or her arse off for 50 odd years just to have a roof over his head. I don't know what the alternative would be but it goes against the whole concept of free will.
        I've had an issue with that my entire life.
        I've just never believed we are here simply to serve others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Go to school and get an education then... also work on IM.. but have a degree in a field that interests you and you feel will be ethical as plan b, plan c, plan a, or whatever.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

      Go to school and get an education then... also work on IM.. but have a degree in a field that interests you and you feel will be ethical as plan b, plan c, plan a, or whatever.
      Education won't stop a company from abusing you. YOU have to do that - you have to be smart enough to know when it's time to walk.

      Thom - that's true - that's why people have to know when it's time to cut a customer loose sometimes, too. LOL
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      Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

      Go to school and get an education then... also work on IM.. but have a degree in a field that interests you and you feel will be ethical as plan b, plan c, plan a, or whatever.
      Who is this addressed to? Me?

      I do IM, I have a corporation, I own a condo, have family, a baby, etc etc etc.
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        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Who is this addressed to? Me?

        I do IM, I have a corporation, I own a condo, have family, a baby, etc etc etc.
        Okay dude - I realize you are an excellent and absolutely doting father -- but there are just some things that you should give credit to someone else for the labor involved. :rolleyes::p
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Okay dude - I realize you are an excellent and absolutely doting father -- but there are just some things that you should give credit to someone else for the labor involved. :rolleyes::p
          100% enthusiastic credit to anyone who ever works with us. I meant that "real jobs" suck mainly due to such things as work environment (yes,there are exceptions), not the workers. Again I never said workers suck. Things are structured nowadays to make people feel that they are expendable and that dignity and rights are quaint notions of yesteryear.
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            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            100% enthusiastic credit to anyone who ever works with us. I meant that "real jobs" suck mainly due to such things as work environment (yes,there are exceptions), not the workers. Again I never said workers suck. Things are structured nowadays to make people feel that they are expendable and that dignity and rights are quaint notions of yesteryear.
            LOL - I know that. What I was referring to is that you included your baby in YOUR list of accomplishments, and I just thought that one was more the fruit of your wife's labor than yours.......uh....thought the bold print in the quote would clarify that one.

            Actually - with the markets as jammed as they are with educated and experienced workers, they are expendable. Corporations don't give a crap about much other than profits. Why do you think people are now "human resources" rather than employees? The job market was not set up to accommodate over-carrying capacity amounts of people needing jobs, so the excess has made companies very cocky regarding treatment of their people. That's why when I work for anyone else it's a small company rather than a corporation.
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              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              LOL - I know that. What I was referring to is that you included your baby in YOUR list of accomplishments, and I just thought that one was more the fruit of your wife's labor than yours.......uh....thought the bold print in the quote would clarify that one.
              <snip>
              Whoops. I missed that. Flew right over my bony UFC-addled head. I didn't intend that to be a list of accomplishments, especially the baby, wow.
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    Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family.
    Choose a f..king big television, choose washing machines, cars,
    compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good
    health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed
    interest mortage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your
    friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a
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    Choose DIY and wondering who the **** you are on a Sunday morning.
    Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing
    game shows, stuffing fu...ng junk food into your mouth. Choose
    rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable
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    Choose your future.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    tibird is right but our economy would be nowhere without jobs. His main point is that, YOU DONT HAVE TO WORK FOR 50 YEARS FULL TIME, you can be your own boss and live A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE.
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  • Profile picture of the author 7eclair
    IM is still a job, even if you go it alone, or if you co-work, you are jobbing too. That's the truth. You should stop thinking about it and have some fun or go for vacations.
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      Originally Posted by 7eclair View Post

      IM is still a job, even if you go it alone, or if you co-work, you are jobbing too. That's the truth. You should stop thinking about it and have some fun or go for vacations.
      I wasn't actually thinking about it to begin with. Just letting my fingers do the dancing. I if I was really thinking about it, I wouldn't be posting logistically inconsistent and somewhat provocative posts. Mys posts would be sensible and well-thought-out, posted only after putting on freshly ironed clothes and well-shined shoes, my red-and-white blind walking cane nearby (I'm not blind, but I use it when I want to take the handicapped parking spot).
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        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        I wasn't actually thinking about it to begin with. Just letting my fingers do the dancing. I if I was really thinking about it, I wouldn't be posting logistically inconsistent and somewhat provocative posts. Mys posts would be sensible and well-thought-out, posted only after putting on freshly ironed clothes and well-shined shoes, my red-and-white blind walking cane nearby (I'm not blind, but I use it when I want to take the handicapped parking spot).
        I'm just trying to understand the logic of this...The strategy is to pretend to be blind so you can park your car...Which begs the question, if you're blind how did you read the handicapped parking sign (let alone drive)?
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I'm just trying to understand the logic of this...The strategy is to pretend to be blind so you can park your car...Which begs the question, if you're blind how did you read the handicapped parking sign (let alone drive)?
          Blind people driving
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  • Profile picture of the author 7eclair
    Lol! My eyes hurt and my fingers have melt down! Job isn't a game many people depending on you. Though that nobody with dirty and smelly clothes would be interested in you. Go to a party or what!
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    The coolest job I ever had was a job. It was probably the worst paying too.

    If I could, I'd do it again.
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    Great topic, now get back to work! :p
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      Originally Posted by Happy_Balance View Post

      Great topic, now get back to work! :p
      I get extremely uncomfortable when I am kept away from my projects for any length of time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andr3w
        We'll all sit at home blogging and selling each other ebooks then. That'll make the world go round.
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          Originally Posted by Andr3w View Post

          We'll all sit at home blogging and selling each other ebooks then. That'll make the world go round.
          I almost forgot about this thread. Thought it was over, lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I've just never believed we are here simply to serve others.
            I agree. But it's too easy to fall on the other side of the line and believe other people are responsible for serving (or supporting) you:p
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    Well we have to work 8 out of 24 hours we can do anything we want in remaining 16 hours, dont be too touchy
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