TBird, do you like eating and wearing clothes...having a roof over your head???

The construction and food industries are excellent examples of why real jobs suck. They are extremely wasteful and destructive.

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So true. It's funny how people will work like a rented mule for someone else but won't do so for themselves.

I tend to agree but I know many people just don't want to think about work that much. They go to work, do what they're told for 8 hours, at the end of two weeks get a paycheck. They don't want to have to hustle, search out clients, come up with entire structures themselves, etc. It's a lot of work for "work".

Everyone doesn't want to be an entrepreneur. I don't see myself happy being anything other, and I'm not even an official entrepreneur yet. I'm an adult, I don't want to have to get permission to stay home if I'm ill ffs.

Oh yeah!?!?!? So what do you plan to do. Here's a hint! DON'T say IM! That requires people in real jobs, and contributes to the destruction of the environment.

As for keeping serfs busy? Did you ever think that, in a way, EVERYONE here uses a SLAVE? So it can't think/reason, and doesn't need the simpler things of life, it still does your bidding and YOU make money off of it. The computer. What if the computers weren't there? Don't forget, there is waste in making them, assembling them, and running them.

You are right on that last statement though. I just told a neighbor about how a project, that SHOULD take a day, has taken over a MONTH. Someone ELSE started trying last year and has NOTHING to show for it. Isn't corporate life GRAND!?!?!? Well, at least they get expenses to pad their budgets.

Steve

I think there is something seriously wrong with a society where a person is forced to work his or her arse off for 50 odd years just to have a roof over his head. I don't know what the alternative would be but it goes against the whole concept of free will.

Ya know TB - when I was younger if companies were abusive, people just didn't work for them. Now people are so afraid of their own shadows that they will take extraordinary abuses and refuse to stand up for their rights so companies feel free to do whatever they want. I worked for a company about 8 or 9 years ago that expected some department's employees to work 15 hour days, 6 days a week for months at a time. One guy died of a coronary - another was hospitalized and then fired while in the hospital. They literally called him after the doctor had just said he should not be stressed and fired him for being sick. Another had an almost fatal car crash because he was too tired to drive. Yet I was about the only one that told this company to take a flying **** at a rolling donut when they told me they were putting me on 12 hour days. I was already working 10 hour days 6 days a week. I told them flat out "no" and if that's not okay, tell me now so I know not to bother to set the alarm for ya. They didn't let me go. Later they failed to give me a promised raise (the CPO didn't wanna part with commissions) I gave them a two week notice. They were freaking stunned. Wanted me to train 3 people to take over for me and I laughed in their face. I told them that if they were stupid enough to let someone go to save a couple bucks an hour that they needed 3 people to replace didn't need me to train employees, but that their execs could use some education. Then I left. I heard employee after employee complaining, marriages and health ruined, homes repoed because of promised raises never given -- yet they didn't walk.

So there ya go. Work isn't bad, but not defending yourself from carnivores is. Go to a company and if they are using you as a porcelain receptacle have the balls to get a different job. I have no sympathy for people that bitch about something they refuse to change. Adults should understand where to draw integrity lines. If they don't it means they have slave mentalities - so let them be what they are good for - slaves.

Go to school and get an education then... also work on IM.. but have a degree in a field that interests you and you feel will be ethical as plan b, plan c, plan a, or whatever.

Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family.
Choose a f..king big television, choose washing machines, cars,
compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good
health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed
interest mortage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your
friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a
three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ****ing fabrics.
Choose DIY and wondering who the **** you are on a Sunday morning.
Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing
game shows, stuffing fu...ng junk food into your mouth. Choose
rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable
home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, f...ed up
brats you spawned to replace yourself.

Choose your future.

Choose life.

Irvine Welsh

tibird is right but our economy would be nowhere without jobs. His main point is that, YOU DONT HAVE TO WORK FOR 50 YEARS FULL TIME, you can be your own boss and live A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE.

IM is still a job, even if you go it alone, or if you co-work, you are jobbing too. That's the truth. You should stop thinking about it and have some fun or go for vacations.

Lol! My eyes hurt and my fingers have melt down! Job isn't a game many people depending on you. Though that nobody with dirty and smelly clothes would be interested in you. Go to a party or what!

The coolest job I ever had was a job. It was probably the worst paying too.

If I could, I'd do it again.

Great topic, now get back to work! :p

Well we have to work 8 out of 24 hours we can do anything we want in remaining 16 hours, dont be too touchy