It's official - winter is here!

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First snowfall of winter here in Central Washington last night.
13.3 °F / -10.4 °C right now in early evening and predictions are for down to 0f with windchills as cold as -20 degrees. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Where the hell is global warming when you need it?
  • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
    For Southern CA, it's Brrrrr too. it was 26 degrees f this morning at 7:30 am. Now, it's 44 degrees f. It's supposed to rain through Wednesday with the snow level down to 2,000 ft in the San Bernardino Mountains.

    Here's some info on ice ages, and what's going on in the north and south poles....for us global warming buffs in the audiance.

    Ice Age Now ( I'm not sure if this is an authorative site, so enjoy)

    ... Ice Age Theories (noaa website)

    World Climate Report Antarctic Ice: A Global Warming Snow Job?

    Enjoy! (teeth chattering)

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Dot - The south cap does have some melting but it isn't global warming - it's sitting on a mantle plume (i.e. molten lava - as in volcanic). They think that the whole pole has an archipelago sitting under it - a conglomeration of islands, some of which are volcanic cones. The mantle plume might just activate these volcanoes so it will be interesting to watch. Also - there are some glaciers in Africa that were publicized melting due to global warming which are also sitting on top of a mantle plume. You bet they are warming - you'd be warming too if you were sitting on molten lava. Plumes are localized phenomena and not entire planet though so the hype is trash.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dot - The south cap does have some melting but it isn't global warming - it's sitting on a mantle plume (i.e. molten lava - as in volcanic). They think that the whole pole has an archipelago sitting under it - a conglomeration of islands, some of which are volcanic cones. The mantle plume might just activate these volcanoes so it will be interesting to watch. Also - there are some glaciers in Africa that were publicized melting due to global warming which are also sitting on top of a mantle plume. You bet they are warming - you'd be warming too if you were sitting on molten lava. Plumes are localized phenomena and not entire planet though so the hype is trash.
      Thanks Sal,

      I knew the coast was warming, calving some HUGE sheets of ice...like Larsen Ice Shelf that broke off in 2005 ( ? ). But isn't the INTERIOR gaining ice?

      With what I've been reading for the air to water business, I also believe that the global warming is hype, and what scares me is that we NEED to develop conventional fuel sources along with eco-friendly. We need to develop oil in Alaska...No, it won't whipe out the polar bear....sorry people. We need to develop nuclear energy sources ALONG with green energy sources---renewable.

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    Thanks Sal, Dorothy: I needed those sources and that input. I have never understood how global warming got its start or rose to an ascendency in the face of so much solid evidence. It's like the sky is falling all over again. Everybody is saying it so the world must be warming and it must be man's fault.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by talewins View Post

      Thanks Sal, Dorothy: I needed those sources and that input. I have never understood how global warming got its start or rose to an ascendency in the face of so much solid evidence. It's like the sky is falling all over again. Everybody is saying it so the world must be warming and it must be man's fault.
      Ask Al Gore where he got his hokey stats. Ask the IPCC why they are trying to Ignore a massive, and increasingly growing, mob of scientists who are fighting against the hokey psuedo-science used to enforce Kayoto -- a pact which as the major aim of globally
      collecting tax money for a phenomena that not only is not happening in any unnatural
      fashion, and appears to actually be reversing now, but for a protocol which could actually
      harm ecosystems. C202 is NOT a pollutant. If they wanted to be serious about taxing
      pollutants they would go after carbon monoxide, not carbon dioxide. C202 could be considered a green house gas but it is insignificant next to evaporated water or volcanic
      steam and ash. Also very evident but hushed up is the impact of desertification which is the result of clearing land. The answer to too much C2O2 is to reforest - wonder why the problem is hushed? With populations exceeding carrying capacity, they are ruining areas then moving to others which are then pushed over capacity.

      Don't worry - a couple of years of global cooling and the excess populations will fall very rapidly. One night of frost can devastate crops and as we need to produce more and more to feed more and more people, crop devastation is not a pleasant prospect. Last year's cold snap ruined rice crops all over the world. What will happen if they are destroyed again? Last year was the first time we looked at both famine from govermental and corporate BS (ethanol) and natural phenomena (cold - rice ruin)

      Why isn't this being covered by media or talked about publically at all? Number one, it will cause massive panic, and two - people get just wigged out violent when they are told we are over-populating and won't be able to feed the masses in emergencies. They won't believe that. They refuse to do the math and believe anyone who wants to tell them we can feed more people than we can produce. That kind of illogical teaching will be disproven extremely rapidly if we get a few years of severely cold weather such as last winter. No one will need to convince anyone as populations freeze to death or starve.
      We have just surpassed carrying capacity globally - have fun watching the results, if anyone will report them. You will probably need to do some deep research to find them.
      But these stats are building up for those who care to look. The statistics for starvation are growing in 33 countries. Even Americans are now being hit by hunger as prices spiral, jobs are lost, social services are running out of funding, and foodbanks run dry. In many countries hunger is still a man-made crisis, but one more year of severe cold and we are
      looking at a natural crisis. Even then, governments will find ways to cut the throats of
      some populations and give it all to others. Populations which have survived on aid, such as Ethiopia, are pretty muchly stabbed and slabbed if food crops fail this winter.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by talewins View Post

      Thanks Sal, Dorothy: I needed those sources and that input. I have never understood how global warming got its start or rose to an ascendency in the face of so much solid evidence. It's like the sky is falling all over again. Everybody is saying it so the world must be warming and it must be man's fault.
      No, I believe that is political BS that is going to do more harm than good.

      We go though geologic seasons which last about 12,000 years....winter, spring, summer and fall. The Pleistocene ( wooly mammoths, dire wolves, giant sloths, mixture of advanced and nomadic society, Neinderthal species of humanoid ) was a winter season. During the spring, we have "cold snaps" before summer sets in...late spring snows ( 1125-1830 was a mini ice age ). So if you think of a three month period as taking 12,000 years, that was a short spring-winter storm.

      We may be going either into a "summer" like in the Triassic, Jurassic or snapping back into an ice age. The only thing that I can see is that the un-burned man-made plastics and artificial airborn chemicals are blocking the Tropospheric Atmospheric river systems, making less rain fall--manmade drought. Also, water mismanagement: China damming the headwaters in tibet, blocking the water to Asia ( most of the continent ). About 3 billion people will soon be out of potable water due to this selfish water mismanagement.

      These are some of the reasons why I got into the air to water industry. The machines clean the junk out of the air and the clean potable water is a by-product. Thus, using technology to take care of two dire vital needs---cleaning the junk out of the air and giving the earth clean water. Only 0.4% of the fresh drinkable water on the earth has a 50% chance of being completely depleted by 2050, according to the USGA, UN, and NOAA. So, we have to do find alternative water sources.

      However, I'm just learning this stuff. The real expert, I think would be Hey Sal, she seems to have a strong grounding in natual science.

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    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    First snowfall of winter here in Central Washington last night.
    13.3 °F / -10.4 °C right now in early evening and predictions are for down to 0f with windchills as cold as -20 degrees. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    Where the hell is global warming when you need it?
    OMG - that is cold - we have had -2 in little ol england and that was bad enough ! I think I would have to hibernate if it went that cold!
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  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    Brrrrrrrrrr....

    Though, I do want it to show because we got our toddler some sweet snow gear
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    It's getting cold here as well it's down to 14C at night now. And it's down to 20C during the day, cold enough for a jumper :p
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  • Profile picture of the author theviralguy
    First Snowfall in Vancouver, BC as well! Winter is finally here.
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  • Profile picture of the author MsG24
    We have had crazy weather here in Ohio so far this winter. We got snow in about mid October. This morning it was almost 60 F it has gotten a lot cooler as the day is progressing and tomorrow is supposed to be in the 30's again with freezing rain.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by Sam I Am View Post

      Think this is how pole shifts begin, with the outpouring of lava flows in certain areas of the planet, eventually offsetting the balance of the spin enough to make the world tumble over?

      Whoo-Hoo! Only three years and about a month before the end of the world in 2012! Better start mixing the Kool Aid!

      Wanna see the pretty snow in Washington State? Go here and see it through the traffic cameras!

      WSDOT - Snoqualmie Pass Road and Weather Conditions
      Humanity lived through the last polar shift, we'll make it again only with LASTING wisdom to teach our children. You gotta read the END of the books! The good guys do win, but only with G-d's grace.

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        Originally Posted by acreativetouch View Post

        Humanity lived through the last polar shift, we'll make it again only with LASTING wisdom to teach our children. You gotta read the END of the books! The good guys do win, but only with G-d's grace.

        dorothy
        The last polar shifts have been magnetic - totally different animal from true polar wander, which actually moves land masses. We are starting into a magnetic shift right now. What people freak out about is that they think magnetism will go to zero and we will fry from the radiation - not true. We will temporarily have multiple poles and localized magnetism anomalies, but it won't go to zero. Even if it did - consider the North Pole is not getting fried and magnatism is always lower there. The radiation still has the atmosphere to penetrate and that is equivalent to about 10 feet of concrete.

        What is of concern is that when the magnetic pole does shift, magnetic matter from volcanoes etc will line up with the magnetic poles causing a redistribution of mass. Enough of that and the geographic pole might start to shift. If we get top heavy with matter at that point as well- such as cold which collects north as ice - especially as the south poles are experiencing some melting, we could get some very rapid geographic shifting - and THAT would be very dangerous. Matter redistributes on earth according to centrifugal force, so anything that throws it off balance enough can rip land masses to shreds.
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  • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
    Here are a couple of charts. The Population one I did from information from statics from the US Census. the other is from the USGS:

    http://www.acreativetouch.us/media/water_distribution.swf

    http://www.acreativetouch.us/media/world_population_graph.swf


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  • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
    In Oklahoma we got the first snow this last Tuesday.

    I would have sworn that Washington would have got the first snow before down here in Oklahoma.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Here in Crazy Northern California - it is cold at 50 degrees F with the sun shining and raining at the same time - just little spits, but none the less raining in the sunshine.

    The wind is 15 mph making the 50 feel like 45 which is coooooolllldddd!

    whine, sob, waaaahh.

    Thank God summer finally ended a week or so ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author cj9253
    yeah winter is definitely here! When I got in my car to goto work today at 1630 it was 20F and felt like 4F with the wind chill. Just a little cold still waiting for those days when it will be in the negatives for actual temps.
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    Terrific links Dot.

    Did you guys catch that dudes book on magnetic reversals and evolution? The magnetic field has been linked with consciousness and evolution, so I'm tending to agree with him. Think I'll be ordering that book.

    Here's a review of it, which I'll paste in full. (Ohhh I really hope it's fast as I really can't stand the friggin' cold!) <whimpers>

    Darwin Got It Wrong and It's Not What You're Thinking
    By Alan Caruba, WarningSigns

    23 Nov 08 - Charles Darwin got it wrong. This is not to disparage the man. Science is an ever evolving process and scientific theories are subject to being replaced by newer knowledge. Most certainly, Darwin (1809-1882) got everyone thinking about evolution, but the problem is that evolution is not a slow process. It happens very fast.

    Indeed, Darwin's friend, the famed biologist, Thomas Huxley, supported aspects of Darwin's theory, but didn't believe that evolution was gradual. Then, too, Darwin had to contend with those who believe that Noah built an ark and put two of all the creatures of the Earth on it. Religion is a great comfort, but it is no substitute for science.

    I first became acquainted with Robert W. Felix through his book, Not by Fire, but by Ice, that pointed out that the Earth is on the cusp of a new ice age. Insofar as the Earth is now fully a decade into a new cycle of cooling, one that could last several decades or evolve into a new, full blown ice age, Felix not only got it right, but, in the course of writing his book, discovered an even more frightening scenario.

    Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps: The True Origin of the Species is Felix's new book (available from www.iceagenow.com) and, were it not for fans like myself and others, it is not likely to make it to the cover of leading news magazines or become a segment on "Sixty Minutes." It will be largely ignored by the mainstream news media for the same reason they ignored his first book. Enthralled by the bogus "global warming" hoax, the mainstream media will find his new book equally appalling for its presentation of facts that run contrary to their ignorance.

    Felix is far from alone in this view that new species are not the result of a long accretion of changes. The late paleontologist, Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) popularized that field of science with articles and books. Gould noted, "Gradualism is not a fact of nature. Most new species appear with a bang, not a protracted crescendo." Fossil records demonstrate that a species remains unchanged for millions of years before abruptly disappearing, "only to be replaced just as rapidly with a species that is, though clearly related, substantially different. Nature does take leaps."

    Felix's great talent comes both in his ability to read and absorb the writings of scientists from different fields of study, and in his ability to explain complex issues to people like myself. I always remind readers that, while I am a science writer, I am not a scientist. Felix is a science writer and one who brings a great deal of passion to his quest to understand the history of the Earth and the life that appears to distinguish it from others in our galaxy.

    While researching ice ages for his previous book, he became intrigued by a phenomenon that always coincides with them, magnetic reversals. In addition to mass extinctions of species that always accompanied magnetic reversals, Felix and others noticed that new species replaced them. For example, human beings are, in the long history of the Earth, 4.5 billion years, are "blindingly new", having existed a mere 200,000 years.

    "Mass extinctions," writes Felix, "have been the rule, rather than the exception, for the 3.5 billion years that life has existed on this planet. Almost identical, each extinction was abrupt, each was extensive, and each was caused by some temporary, unexplainable event."

    Permit me to pause at this point and note the vanity and idiocy of those who demand that humans must conserve every species on Earth, no matter the cost involved. This nation has spent billions via the Endangered Species Act. In a similar fashion, the notion that humans are responsible for a non-existent "global warming" is the justification for measures that will wreck the economies of nations and cause untold losses of human life thanks to famines that should be avoided.

    The next time you hear or read the word "environmentalist", you should also hear and read "fascist" for the core of the environmental movement is the belief that human beings are "a cancer" on the Earth and should be reduced to a minimum.

    The real threat to life on Earth are magnetic reversals, as revealed by magnetostratigraphy, the study of the magnetic properties of ancient layers of sediment (strata) now hardened into rock. Major reversals "appear to occur in sync with ice ages" and other measurements of time. "And it happens fast!" says Felix.

    The Earth is at the end of a cyclical interglacial period. Such periods are about 11,500 years in length and it has been 11,500 years since the last ice age. That portends that another magnetic reversal is due as well.

    Though decried as "deniers", those of us who have been skeptical of the claims of Al Gore and the legion of global warming charlatans, the real deniers are those refuse to acknowledge the facts put forth and explained in Felix's new book.

    Those who would have you dramatically alter your lifestyle, by ending the use of oil, natural gas, and coal for energy, by installing thousands of wind turbines and miles of solar panels, are willfully ignoring the signs that the Earth is poised to enter a new age in which life as we know it--including our own--will be dramatically changed and to a large extent even exterminated.

    There is nothing humans can do about this.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yes - the magnetic pole is shifting at the moment - and rapidly. It is moving to Siberia. But, it shifts often. (about 3 times in the last 800 years). And it has reversed without event in the past as well - so a reversal of the magnetic pole is obviously not the only factor in the extinctions. I believe that only shifts which subsequently cause geographical pole shifts (true polar wander) are the ones that accompany the extinctions. If extreme cold is a symptom, that would make sense as extreme volcanic activity will block sunlight and also spew more material to align with the new pole (such is why the magnetic pole and the geographic one are usually in close proximity) and cause an imbalance large enough to make the geographical pole shift (which is a misnomer as it is the land and not the pole that is shifting).
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yes - the magnetic pole is shifting at the moment - and rapidly. It is moving to Siberia. But, it shifts often. (about 3 times in the last 800 years). And it has reversed without event in the past as well - so a reversal of the magnetic pole is obviously not the only factor in the extinctions. I believe that only shifts which subsequently cause geographical pole shifts (true polar wander) are the ones that accompany the extinctions. If extreme cold is a symptom, that would make sense as extreme volcanic activity will block sunlight and also spew more material to align with the new pole (such is why the magnetic pole and the geographic one are usually in close proximity) and cause an imbalance large enough to make the geographical pole shift (which is a misnomer as it is the land and not the pole that is shifting).
      Does this related to Nibru?

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      • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
        Originally Posted by acreativetouch View Post

        Does this related to Nibru?

        dorothy
        Nibiru is also known as planet x. Scientists at NASA say that it is a hoax, but many believe that it will pass us according to the mayan calendar dec 21, 2012. it's pull is supposed to shift the polarity of the earth with the Equator being the new north and south poles. As it comes closer, more and more instability of the earth will occur: volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, weather anomolies, super storms, mass extinctions, etc.

        I'm looking for websites that aren't too "wacky".
        2012: No Planet X | Universe Today
        NASA Discovers a New Planet In Our Solar System - Planet X
        Daily Common Sense NASA confirms there’s no Planet X or precursors of terrestrial calamity
        Latest 2008 Planet X / Nibiru Research

        Personally, I will have to wait and see. I do know according to the the Book of Yetzerah & the Book of Yehzkhel that the mayan calendar and Revelation coiencide too closely to not have validity. Then I look at the myth of Nibiru, Inkedu and other Sumarian mythology. We may be in a time of transition into another age coming 2012, Planet X may be a part of it???? May be not.

        The urban legend of Nibiru is probably just that, an urban legend. So, I was wondering what you thought of the possibility in light of the global changes.

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    Dot - it relates to your Darwin got it wrong post. Give me a link to find out what Nibru is about and I can tell you if and how it relates. LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    First snowfall of winter here in Central Washington last night.
    13.3 °F / -10.4 °C right now in early evening and predictions are for down to 0f with windchills as cold as -20 degrees. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    Where the hell is global warming when you need it?
    I used to live in Washington and I don't miss it...at all. The winters there were bruttal. I'm currently in Texas. It snowed here too. I couldn't believe it! I just can't seem to get away. Brrrrr is right.
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    Dot - LOL. I am one of the planet x non-believers. There isn't a website out there that can change my mind on that one.

    Christie - yeah the winters are cold, but the summers don't fry you either. And I'm on the dry side of the Cascades. It's give a little take a little I guess. It's particularly cold this year - but that seems to be just on our side of the globe because sunconsultancy just said winter is missing where he is. I find it hard to feel sorry for him right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dot - LOL. I am one of the planet x non-believers. There isn't a website out there that can change my mind on that one.
      I'm a Planet X fence sitter. I don't believe in it yet I have yet to rule it out. I figure we'll all see in three years.

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      • Profile picture of the author Brillant B
        Enjoy the cold you guys. It felt like 80 degrees here in Florida today. December 16th and we were sweating outside at work. Unbelievable!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Dot - isn't sitting on a fence rather an uncomfortable position? I have images going through my mind of some of the fences I have seen -- OUCH! Please spare yourself and move to one side of the fence or the other. The worst that can do is prove you right or wrong eventually - while sitting there on the pickets and barbed wire might do actual damage. You can always climb over the fence at a later date if you so desire.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dot - isn't sitting on a fence rather an uncomfortable position? I have images going through my mind of some of the fences I have seen -- OUCH! Please spare yourself and move to one side of the fence or the other. The worst that can do is prove you right or wrong eventually - while sitting there on the pickets and barbed wire might do actual damage. You can always climb over the fence at a later date if you so desire.
      The reason why I scooch to the "yes" side of the Planet X issue, is that the ELE happens EVERY 12,000 years----indicating that SOMETHING causes a polar shift. We are already experiencing it, and if it is a celestial object big enough to interfere with our orbit ( ie a small sun ) and it is orbiting in an odd position.....that would explain a lot. If it is due to enter the inner solar system and be close enough to affect our planet....we would already be feeling it's effects as the "due date" is three years away, instead of thousands of years.

      The "no" side is because of too many other variables which could explain a polar shift other than a celestial body passing by. So, until I have more information....I'm going to look at the grass, flowers and the dirt from my cosey position on the flat cement cap of the red brick and white painted wood fence. ( doesn't hurt at all ):p

      Once I have enough information to make a decision....I'm set in stone--until I have more information to show me that I'm wrong.

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  • Profile picture of the author the newnorcian
    HeySal,
    Its officially summer here in Australia, currently 31c at 7.30pm and looking to 37c on x-mas day.
    Never had a cold x-mas before, must try it one day.
    cheers,
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