Hey Sal...Here Are The Results Of Our Entry

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Even though I'm done with this business, I certainly owe you this much for all
the hard work you put into writing these lyrics.

Okay, here is what the judges had to say...

"Like other entries, this shows flashes of brilliance and I appreciate your
raw and unique musical approach. But to whom this song is directed to or
why is not clearly understood. You might also note that in order for the
listener to understand your lyric, they would have to have prior knowledge
to what you're writing/singing about. This approach doesn't work for those
of us who have no inside knowledge of which these lines refer to or the
context of a larger story. So, if your goal is to connect with a wider
audience, you can't simply assume we'll know whom or what you're talking
about. You'll need to provide a clear setup and understandable line-to-line
logic to help us follow the story


Overall, the song received a 6.277 score. Among the 10 songs I submitted
it came in 8th.

One thing I should point out is that your lyrics, for originality, got a 9
out of 10.

Only one of my own lyrics scored that high.

Where you need to work is on your lyrical structure and that will probably
come over time if you study the craft and actually learn how to write
structured lyrics. You've clearly proven that you have the imagination to
come up with some great songs if this is your first whack at it.

My best entry, ironically, was my show tune, scoring 7.44.

Maybe I'm just trying to write the wrong kind of music. My weak areas,
according to the judges, are not in my melodies but in my lyrics and stories.

They are either not original enough or not detailed enough.

That has been a common criticism of most of my songs. Too much inside
knowledge needed to know what the singer is singing about.

Here is what they said about my "best" entry, "I'm Not A Nerd"

There are lots of smart lines in this lyric and the basic idea is excellent.
Verse 2 is s stand-out. However, the song would be stronger if it were
more compact and effectively focused. By the end, the same idea is
repeated over and over, and the melodic structure starts to feel overlong.
Be concise. Write for clarity and impact. These are keys to great
songwriting. You have exceptional talent. I hope we'll hear more from you
in the years to come. Keep writing and learning the craft


Probably the best comments I've gotten in 30 plus years.

I do understand what I need to do, and this is no knock on you Sal.

I clearly have many flaws in my writing, especially in my lyrics, which seem
to consistently score lower than my music with few exceptions.

I either have to really knuckle down and force myself to write better lyrics,
which I think will, in turn, create better music, or I need to find a lyricist who
really knows his or her craft and can write lyrics that inspire me to write
great music, which I know I can do.

Two of my worst entries were songs I wrote to other people's lyrics. This
can't be a coincidence. I clearly either don't have the right kind of material
to write to OR I simply can't write for other people unless they are the top
professionals in the business. Point is, I write better when I write for myself
and always have.

Trouble with that is that my lyrics are still greatly flawed and until I can
improve them, I'm always going to be a 6 to 8 songwriter at best. I think I
had one song (one Caliban helped me with) that scored an 8 plus last year.

Everything else was in the 7s.

Ironically, my entries from last year scored higher. And I really thought
some of these songs were better

Anyway, if anybody wants to hear any of the other entries, I'm be happy
to post them.

Here are the 10 songs from best to worst.

I'm Not A Nerd - 7.44
When The Morning Comes Around - 7.33
Super Hero - 7.22
Spot In The Shade - 7.167
Killing Me - 7.11
Knife Through The Heart - 7
Puppet On A String - 6.44 (My personal favorite)
Freeze - 6.277
California - 6
Together Again - 5.56

Sal, for whatever it's worth, I love our song (my 6th favorite overall from
all the songs I've ever written.)

I hope that means something.
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    Wow, that's pretty impressive stuff.

    Anyway, very well done, both of you. (I'm really glad you posted this - and the rest - here, Steven).
  • Have to agree, pretty awesome.
  • Wow Steve. They couldn't tell who the lyrics would be referring to? LOL. Whatever. Guess I didn't rage hard enough, eh?

    Still and all - a 9 out of 10 - I can live with. After all - I was the first to admit that I had not one whit of a clue what I was doing.
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    • The judges are very picky, but they have to be. I understand. There are a lot
      of talented people out there and they're comparing us to the best of the
      best.

      While I didn't like this year's overall winner, I have to admit that the pop
      winner was excellent. I wish I could write like that.

      It's no sin to admit that your talent (my talent actually) only goes so far.

      I may not write well enough to be a professional song writer, though I do
      feel that you, as a lyricist, have real potential, but I sure as hell am not
      the worst writer in the world either.

      I have one published song and two song contest awards to prove that.

      And yeah, I know...I'm supposed to be writing for myself and not for some
      recognition or approval, but it's nice to hear somebody say to you, "Hey,
      that's a really good song...I like it."

      Otherwise, we're simply living our lives for ourselves.

      And to me...that's not living.

      It's existing.
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    I know sometimes you think you'll never make it, Steven W.

    However I think that if you keep going and "compromise" such as teaming up with people (lyricist, music partner, etc.) You can still be relatively successful. The song contest wasn't a complete failure, especially considering you got some good feedback/advice.
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    • Steven,

      Here's where you screwed up...:p

      You didn't submit "What Have You Done For Me Lately".

      When I made the video for that tune I had to listen to it over and over and over and over again to get the sync correct.

      I never got tired of it, and I still hummed it for months. (My brain is humming it as I write this )

      That tune has potential.

      Just sayin'...
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  • You probably cringe looking back at some of your old articles, and there are also people who are like you were then, who look at you now and say "I should leave article writing to those with real talent..."

    YOU know though that the more they write the better they get... you also know that 100 failed articles is enough to scare most off.... but that everynow and then theres that one who will keep writing hundreds and hundreds of articles and getting better and better until 10,000 articles later he is WORLD CLASS...

    You may also know that some articles do better than others but if you put enough out, now and then you get that diamond in the rough that is nothing short of legendary brilliance, maybe even divinely inspired.

    Cant always be in the zone, but if you work alot, you cant help but be in it sometimes...

    Thats how your hit song happens. I have good ones, sucky ones... everynow and then theres an AWESOME one, that wouldnt have come without going through all the sucky ones...

    keep rockin bro.

    When the moss grows on the east side of the bamboo tree and the ferret is dry from its many swims in the river.... then I will return to you.

    Many campho phyniques to all!

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