Has anyone had any experiance with Amway??? Or familiar with Amway??

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Anyone know about Amway or familiar with Amway and if can tell me if their business works"??? thank you. ANY WARRIORS DOING AMWAY???
  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    Originally Posted by JohnMoney View Post

    Anyone know about Amway or familiar with Amway and if can tell me if their business works"??? thank you.
    They've been in business since about 1959 so it must be working for somebody....
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      The founders, Jay Van Andel and Richard DeVos, have a combined net worth of $6billion. So yeah, it works.
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      • Originally Posted by myob View Post

        The founders, Jay Van Andel and Richard DeVos, have a combined net worth of $6billion. So yeah, it works.
        Sure it worked for the founders. :rolleyes: I've been approached by Amway salesman a few times, and I run the other way as fast as I can. I'm just not into the whole MLM thing.

        However, a number of years ago I had a friend involved with Amway who was a 'double diamond', I think it was called. Had a nice little lapel pin that he was oh so proud of. Evidently, that's a huge number of sales I guess, so sure it can work for some people. But I would bet for every 'double diamond' there are tens of thousands of others who didn't make squat.

        Of course, that's also true of most other money-making methods, as well, I guess.

        If you're into that sort thing, you might check out Herbalife, too.
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        • Profile picture of the author precie
          Oh my God! That's still going on. What a waste of time and money and everything else
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        They've been in business since about 1959 so it must be working for somebody....
        Yep, these people:

        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        The founders, Jay Van Andel and Richard DeVos, have a combined net worth of $6billion..
        Other people, not so much.
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        • Profile picture of the author AEC
          I think there are some other companies that work better.

          The ones that have a product that people really want at a great price and companies that use internet and offline marketing to find the interested people instead of trying to drag all your friends and everyone else you meet on the street into the business.

          I was in Amway 15 years ago and making all your friends not want to talk about your business is no fun. But yes it works for some people and not just the two at the top. I know some of them and have met others.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizinfi
    Been there done that. Spent too much money on their tapes but did not earn anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    HerbalLife:
    Had a button that said "Lose weight now,ask me how"
    All you had to do was wear the button and let people ask you how and you made sale after sale.:rolleyes:

    There are some people that can,as the saying goes,sell ice water to a polar bear.
    So yes, those are the people that can make it big in "whatever kind of marketing its called now".
    Call it Multi Level Marketing,call it Network Marketing.Some will tell you its one and the same,others will tell you its not.Of course calling it Multi Level Marketing went out of style because that got to mean pyramid scheme.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Here's the deal...if you think you want to try it, go out and buy a bunch of the products.

      If you think the products work better than what you can find for the same price or more, that's good. You'll be able to look people right in the eye and give them a genuine testimonial for the products.

      If however, you find the products overpriced and overhyped and the only way you'll be able to make money is to have downline folks who aren't afraid or embarrased to get others to join up in spite of the probability that most of the merchandise being moved is simply bought as samples, then perhaps it won't be your cup of tea unless you see yourself as that type of a promotor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Don't even bother.

    Enough Said.

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert02011
    Years ago i was in amway and found it to time consumming but the products are world class.I find it`s easyer to make money online with less effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      There are far easier ways of making money than Amway. If you're interested in Amway there is a great book on it called, "Merchants of Deception."
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMoney
        right now im doing cpa marketing online but i have heard of people making lots of money on amway and then checks are auto pilot depending on how many people they have??? but i think you have to do more work than online marketing since you have to talk to people on regular basis.
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        • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
          Originally Posted by JohnMoney View Post

          right now im doing cpa marketing online but i have heard of people making lots of money on amway and then checks are auto pilot depending on how many people they have??? but i think you have to do more work than online marketing since you have to talk to people on regular basis.
          Chances of making "good" money with Amway is pretty much as rare as rare can get. Their products are junk for the money too costing more than avg. Bunch of cult brain washers and nothing but lies with their system. They sell a dream

          Look at it like this, it'd be like a person opening a mortgage shop and having thousands upon thousands of brokers that only close maybe 1 loan a month.... their not making jack, but the owner(s) banking it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        There are far easier ways of making money than Amway. If you're interested in Amway there is a great book on it called, "Merchants of Deception."
        If you dig, you will find out that book is based on experiences with a certain upline organization...and in no way indicative of Amway as a whole. Plus, there is a little expose on MLM watchdog on the author you might want to read as well....good reading if you're into the truth.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

          If you dig, you will find out that book is based on experiences with a certain upline organization...and in no way indicative of Amway as a whole. Plus, there is a little expose on MLM watchdog on the author you might want to read as well....good reading if you're into the truth.
          "In exchange for Eric Scheibeler's written apology Amway and Quixtar agreed not to continue their defamation suit in U.S. Middle District Court and not to seek legal fees from Scheibeler."

          Yeah, interesting stuff. Digging brings up a lot of stuff, some of it leading to offers you can't refuse, forced confessionals, etc. You can see such stuff in the forced confessionals of tyrannies, endless vindictive litigation, tortured prisoners, kidnapping victims etc. Looks kind of suspicious to me. It is hard to tell who is telling the truth. I personally wouldn't pick a fight with Amway. If I choose any battles, that is not one of them. I wouldn't pick a fight with small-time shysters such as the Hells Angels or Triads or big time shysters such as Bank of America either, for fear that they might send their soldiers or lawyers after me, then extract some sort of forced confessional out of me.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            "In exchange for Eric Scheibeler's written apology Amway and Quixtar agreed not to continue their defamation suit in U.S. Middle District Court and not to seek legal fees from Scheibeler."

            Yeah, interesting stuff. Digging brings up a lot of stuff, some of it leading to offers you can't refuse, forced confessionals, etc. You can see such stuff in the forced confessionals of tyrannies, endless vindictive litigation, tortured prisoners, kidnapping victims etc. Looks kind of suspicious to me. It is hard to tell who is telling the truth. I personally wouldn't pick a fight with Amway. If I choose any battles, that is not one of them. I wouldn't pick a fight with small-time shysters such as the Hells Angels or Triads or big time shysters such as Bank of America either, for fear that they might send their soldiers or lawyers after me, then extract some sort of forced confessional out of me.
            Yeah, tell me about it! These days even a CONFESSION means NOTHING! Heck, Look at the show "law and order"! Looking at cases, and law classes, etc... you KNOW it happens but on L&O they win nearly every case by PLEA! And a LOT of CIVIL cases are won in a SIMILAR way! HECK, they won a civil case against ME by a "settlement".

            THEY claimed I got money I was owed within the 90 days PRECEEDING a bankruptcy, and sued me for it under a section of the bankruptcy code. Had they even started it like a month earlier, I could EASILY have defended it, etc... Anyway, I had a choice:

            1. Say I was "guilty", act like it, and pay 80%
            2. Endanger my job, have MORE stress, and lose 100%+ and maybe fees.

            So I chose #1. Under the settlement, I am not even supposed to countersue, can't act as a creditor, etc...

            On L&O there is an episode where they had NOTHING! They LIED to coerce a confession, for a plea. They found that they had ******NOTHING*******, and the head lawyer said "We'll just use the confession!"!

            Anyway, I WILL say Amway USED to be better! HECK, when I started, it was kind of nice. Their products were better, cost less, and it was a LITTLE fairer. I heard it was better before THAT time, but people took advantage and so the laws changed. That affected NOT just amway, but the entire business model.

            But if you hear about sponsors having too much control, not delivering, bad customer service from amway AND sponsors, misplaced credit, higher prices, lower quality, bad return, it is ALL true!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OK, a couple people have fallen for the lie, etc.... *I* HAVE been on BOTH sides, so let me clue you in!

    1. In *********ALL********** MLMs that have a reasonable product, opportunity, or sellling point, SOMEONE makes money, and the higher up you go, the greater the chance they made the money. in fact, if it had 4 tiers, it woud REALLY be five, with the FOUNDER/S getting that fifth tier. So of COURSE they made money!

    2. The rules used to be ridiculous. For example, in order to be a salesperson, you had to buy a huge collection of AMWAY'S products(not simply ones they SOLD, but ones they ALSO made)! Some you may NEVER use. ALSO, the salespeople got a HIGHER BV(I believe the term was) for that, than for many things. That meant MORE salespeople, MORE sales, MORE profit! As I recall, the kits cost over $100!

    3. People used to make money without selling ANYTHING to repeat customers. They would simply say "HEY, become a seller, and get a DISCOUNT, and MAKE money!"! Obviously 2 and 3 meant people got MORE money, went higher up, etc.... So you can NOT merely look at things like "WOW, they're double diamond. That means *I* can be!" It means NOTHING! It means NOTHING because.....

    4. With all this garbage going on, the US government, and probably others, changed rules for MLM, etc... Stuff like having people buy the huge kits, getting paid ONLY on recruiting, etc... is ******OUT*******! A LOT of the restrictions now in place are due to amway.

    Now, as to the prices? They sold some unusual stuff through the shoppers catalog. As I recall, prices on other things, in that catalog, weren't all that great.

    Customer Service? well, on the shoppers guide it certainly STUNK! I remember trying to resolve a problem, and I NEVER got them to fix it. NEVER!

    Product Quality? Well, some of their best products, for whatever reason, got pulled or changed, as I recall. SOME are ones you REALLY have to be careful about. They had a shoeshine product, for example, that warned to test it first on a small part of the shoe. Better follow that advice! On non leather shoes it can really do some harm. Products like SA8, and maybe even LOC, had prices that went up quite a bit. That REALLY hurt some selling points. These days, if they followed their llike 1990 strategy, they may be kind of hard to sell. BTW, as I recall, redo was remade or isn't sold anymore. It's a pity. It was a simple product, but really helped with things like removing rust stains. Of course, it was caustic so you had to be careful.

    Credit? Well, I had credit stolen TWICE, so you better make sure your sponsors are good and HONEST! Maybe they changed that but, when I was there, you HAD to buy from them, and they reported some things.

    BTW LOC stood for like "Liquid Organic Cleaner", and was a NICE hand cleaner and general cleaner, and one of their nicest and best selling products. SA8 was "Surface Activant #8", and their nice laundry detergent. Redo was a product to remove various chemical stains, of which rust was one.

    Amway products had to do with cleaning, product care, makeup, nutrition, and a few utensils. The shoppers catalog had more tangible things like watches, clothing, etc... but THOSE weren't made BY amway and weren't necessarily exclusive to them. You also didn't get the same percentage.

    BTW, they NOW have a website that you can refer people to. From what I understand you need a valid sales code to see it.

    Oh yeah, there have been some nasty books written about the darker side of amway. So don't think I am the only one saying such things.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Any business model built around adding more people to your downline than based around a product or service is a sketchy house of cards, at best.

    I'll tell you, though...there are definitely echoes of MLM in the IM game. Consider:

    - Lots of people making their money explaining how to "make it" to others
    - "Fake it till you make it" mentality
    - Selling products to people where they KNOW there will be a 90% plus failure rate and pawning it off on "They just didn't follow the program to a T"

    That being said, I still think IM is heads and shoulders more direct/honest than some of the MLM's I'm familiar with...just sayin'
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by JohnMoney View Post

    Anyone know about Amway or familiar with Amway and if can tell me if their business works"??? thank you. ANY WARRIORS DOING AMWAY???
    The business model can work, provided you actually work the business model, and don't get caught up in the hype.

    In other words, you need to work the retail sales end as well as the business opportunity end in order for the model to work correctly. Fail to do either one, and you won't be making much money at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcymart
    My Amway experience dates back to the late 80's. I'll be short... You'll spend tons of hard earned cash and yield little if no reward. nuff said
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  • Profile picture of the author carcrazy
    Amway is good for harassing your friends and family
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  • I tried out Amway, Quixtar when I was 17, they don't live up to their self created hype.

    The people making all the money is the ones who own Amway
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  • Profile picture of the author mwashington
    Products too high. Spend too much money on their promotional products. They have been around a long time. I have found very few people that succeeded at it. At one time you could always tell it was Amway person that wanted to talk to you because they never would tell you the company they were from. It was as though they were ashamed of the company. I think they have finally got out of that now.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by mwashington View Post

      Products too high. Spend too much money on their promotional products. They have been around a long time. I have found very few people that succeeded at it. At one time you could always tell it was Amway person that wanted to talk to you because they never would tell you the company they were from. It was as though they were ashamed of the company. I think they have finally got out of that now.
      They're often TOLD to not say the name. If they try to sell to a person, and they hear amway, they may not even look. And they have meetings where they won't metion the name for a LONG time, but speak of the history, etc... They HOPE you will fall in love with the image, and BUY, or join!

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "They're often TOLD to not say the name."
    This is very true. Its been years since anyone approched me but there was a time when people were coming up and making small talk and then get around to ask me if I was interested in a money making opportunity.
    I would flat out ask if this was Amway and they would rartely give me a straight yes or no.

    I think this was in the early to mid 80s,but another company that used the same tatctic was A.L. Williams.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "They're often TOLD to not say the name."
      This is very true. Its been years since anyone approched me but there was a time when people were coming up and making small talk and then get around to ask me if I was interested in a money making opportunity.
      I would flat out ask if this was Amway and they would rartely give me a straight yes or no.

      I think this was in the early to mid 80s,but another company that used the same tatctic was A.L. Williams.
      Yeah, I actually attended amway meetings where they said that. One even used it as a punch line talking about how they company did things "MYWAY", and they later changed it to AMWAY.

      ALWILLIAMS had a lot of trouble, in that people wanted to, and tried to kill it. The insurance companies were respected. I have NO idea why! Has ANYONE gotten the PROJECTED return, or even more than the guaranteed? You know what the insurance agents called ALW agents? TERMITES! And Alwilliams had some good points. Too bad that too many people just parroted and even broke the law. Of course, most insurance agents brake the law ALSO! They actually have a special "errors and omissions" insurance to cover them!

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      • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Yeah, I actually attended amway meetings where they said that. One even used it as a punch line talking about how they company did things "MYWAY", and they later changed it to AMWAY.

        ALWILLIAMS had a lot of trouble, in that people wanted to, and tried to kill it. The insurance companies were respected. I have NO idea why! Has ANYONE gotten the PROJECTED return, or even more than the guaranteed? You know what the insurance agents called ALW agents? TERMITES! And Alwilliams had some good points. Too bad that too many people just parroted and even broke the law. Of course, most insurance agents brake the law ALSO! They actually have a special "errors and omissions" insurance to cover them!

        Steve
        Al Williams/Primerica was/is still a big joke, their the laughing stock of the industry. Their system is plain junk, especially for "investing". But it brings me back to my analogy above, it's like a guy opening a mortgage shop with a ton of brokers, but those brokers close very little business, but b/c of their numbers the owner is banking it while the workers are barely making it.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

          Al Williams/Primerica was/is still a big joke, their the laughing stock of the industry. Their system is plain junk, especially for "investing". But it brings me back to my analogy above, it's like a guy opening a mortgage shop with a ton of brokers, but those brokers close very little business, but b/c of their numbers the owner is banking it while the workers are barely making it.
          You DO know what happened to them, RIGHT? They bought smith barney, travellers, citicorp, and a couple other places, and are now called citigroup.
          I agree that their HOME brand investments aren't that great, and they DO get a higher commission on those, but they sell some really GOOD funds also. As for the insurance, insurance is insurance and they apparently have a good record.

          That said, they STILL lie about who they are and what they do, and they STILL give the lions share to the higher ups, and they have like a head sponsor in each group. I forget what they call him/her, but you KNOW it when you are there. THAT head sponsor seems to dictate some rules.

          And one rule for a large organization around LA, is that every sale before the 4th counted sale, for insurance at least, goes to the first sponsor over you, that made 3 valid sales, with a relevant license to take overrides! SO, if you sell 3 policies, and your direct sponsor doesn't have a license, theirs does, but doesn't have the sales, and theirs has the license, THAT person gets 130% of the premium, in ADDITION to what they may already have made. And YEP, you read right, 130%! Their commission structure was such that it would take like 3 YEARS for the company to see anything. The same sort of thing happens with the mutual funds, although certainly with a MUCH smaller commission.

          So what is a valid contract? Passed, in force, paid the premium, hasn't cancelled, and is not you. And WHAT is a license to take overrides? Well, you need a series 6 to sell mutual funds, but you need a series 26 to take overrides on them. You need to be licensed as an agent to deal with mortgages(unless you work at a bank in that capacity), but you need to be licensed as a BROKER to get an override. The same thing is true of insurance, as I recall.

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  • Profile picture of the author shadowboxa
    I was approached when I was working in retail back at age 17. I learned the hard way...
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  • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
    I can't imagine trying to build a business centered around Amway in this day and age. Not that there is anything inherently wrong or immoral about being in the company or representing the products. The turn-off factor for people you approach about the opportunity would be a deal-killer for me.

    Anyway, I can't stand the traditional MLM business model anymore. I have gone with a direct sales model that has been working extremely well. I based the decision on 2 things:

    1. Stability of company and management, must be at least 10 years old.
    2. Product must be one that people actually want to purchase and use, not because they are a part of the system.

    I like getting paid $1,000 or $1,500 for a sale. I find that it is easier to sell a quality product than continually try and sponsor.

    Just me.

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  • Profile picture of the author brendan9971
    MLM can obviously work if you put in the time (and money) and have a winning personality to attract others to work with (for) you.

    The real question, when it comes to Amway, is whether or not you are comfortable with supporting their very strong political agenda by buying in to their MLM.

    Obviously, many major coroportations have a political agenda but theirs... wow.
    Just be sure to do your research.

    If you really have your heart set on MLM beauty / health products and you are in a country that has Giffarine, I would personally suggest that as a better option.
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    • Profile picture of the author sirtom
      Amway is like any other MLM. It can work for you if you put in the time.

      But, MLM marketing is definitely different from normal IM. Traffic and everything is the same, but the tactics and strategy is different.

      And the main thing is that you can market virtually all MLMs the same. And being that you can template out the same strategies to nearly any MLM, the actual product the company sells becomes the important thing.

      Whether you're going for moving products to consumers or recruiting distributors in your downline, you need to feel some kind of affinity to the company or it's products.

      If you couldn't care less about the products your MLM sells, then find one with products that you DO like. Then market it the exact same way.
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    • Profile picture of the author betteseo
      Originally Posted by brendan9971 View Post

      MLM can obviously work if you put in the time (and money) and have a winning personality to attract others to work with (for) you.

      The real question, when it comes to Amway, is whether or not you are comfortable with supporting their very strong political agenda by buying in to their MLM.

      Obviously, many major coroportations have a political agenda but theirs... wow.
      Just be sure to do your research.

      If you really have your heart set on MLM beauty / health products and you are in a country that has Giffarine, I would personally suggest that as a better option.
      whether you do MLM or not, i would stay away from Amway for the same reason. their political and religious agenda is out of control and destroying michigan (where they're based, where i'm from, and where i couldn't wait to move away from) and quickly having horrible effects upon US politics (and therefore the world) as well. i would NOT recommend doing any type of business with them... whether that's joining up and hawking their goods or buying their merch yourself.

      evil. evil. evil.
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  • Profile picture of the author paologiannone
    Was an Amway rep for a couple of years about 20 years ago. Did very little money but i was young and not willing to work a lot. Went to few conferences, and they were very well organised and at least 10 000 people were present, a clear sign that the company was well established with good following.

    Not sure how Amway is doing at the moment. I am sure they are still going strong as they have opened a massive two story shop in central London. While there is not doubt about the quality of the company and its products, you have to work hard to make it, especially as the product tend to be overpriced and at this critical economic time not many people want to fork out excessive amounts of cash for anything.

    Good luck with it.

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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It would be a good idea to get some reviews from others before investing time/money into any company, that said not familiar with Amway in the least
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert02011
    yes tried amway lost money online marketing is better
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    Yes I'm using their products
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  • Profile picture of the author asbestosperth
    I'll keep this post short. Don't bother with Amway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    I was an Amway rep back in the early and mid nineties. It's a pyramid scheme and anyone who tells you differently is probably either grossly misinformed, or they're ABOVE YOU in the scheme.

    Jumping into the Amway game at this stage could be profitable if you have tons of time and money to expend working your way up the levels. (making other people rich in the process) Of course, they could have made changes by now but I think that ultimately it's the same tired crap they've been pulling for decades.

    And yes, a few people have become ridiculously wealthy from Amway. Doesn't mean anything to me. Lots of scum have made good money by reaching for the stars with his feet on the little guy.

    If you want in, go nuts- but you'll be back here in less than a month complaining that you're now 30 days behind....
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    • Profile picture of the author amosoje
      Of course, the business works but for some people. You need to learn the system and ready to work it out. My experience with Armway is that you need to have enough finance in your bank account to continue to buy on monthly basis. You need to be able to talk at great length before you can get followers. You need to possibly have a store either in your basement or open store where you can display your product for sale to friends and family. If your relations will prefer to to go thrift store or "99 cents store to buy stuff, this is not for you. Your ability to reach out to high spender is paramount to your success in ?Armway. I don't know how best to explain better. They have a very high quality products, I must commend.
      What I realize is that most of the people doing good are those that have received a retirement benefits, have a kind of lineage to enforce some of their people to join them or even be buying the stuff on there behalf for sale. You must perhaps be ready to use all the product alone in your house, then you will not have the pain of spending on them. You eventually have the choice. Be ready to go to meetings regularly to listen to professional speakers to teach you how to deal with prospects.
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    Whenever driving along the highway back in the 80's and some body passed us in a hurry we would always crack up laughing with the words " there goes another person running late for an Amway meeting "

    Do people remember the bull crap nights that filled the summer nights with more rubbish and false dreams than a snake oil salesman on steroids, the hype and crap they peddled to the poor sheeple who would amass from miles around to perform a circle jerk of sorts was endless.

    Then when every one had finished jetting their jollies off and had their dose of diamond dazzler, of they would trot home again with stars in their eyes, only to return again for more pipe dreams cloaked by the smoke and mirrors of every player wins a prize game show up on stage.

    wasted youth we all have some in our closet.
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