MORE evidence of inflation!

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OK, I see this as FOUR tiers!

Tier 1, monopolistic importers selling based on the dollar. They get INSTANT feedback, and raise prices QUICKLY! Example? GAS REFINERS! Effect? UP

Tier 2, retailers importing goods priced in foreign currency. They kind of get the message a bit later. Example? WALMART! Effect? UP

Tier 3, retailers of DOMESTIC goods. Example? Dairy, meats, etc.... Result?

May 3, 2011
Inflationary Tuesday: Smithfield CEO: Higher Food Prices Are Here to Stay
Here's a zinger of a news story that most commentators haven't bothered to take note of...
The CEO of Smithfield Farms, the largest pork producer in the US. Among other things he said:
"Maybe to someone in the upper incomes it doesn't matter what the price of a pound of bacon is, or what the price of a ham, or the price of a pound of pork chops is," he says. "But for many of the customers we sell to, it really does matter." Workers can share cars when the price of oil rises, he quips, but "you can't share your food."
Mr. Pope also worries about the impact on farmers, who are leveraging up operations to afford the ever-rising price of land and fertilizer that has resulted from the increased corn demand. "There are record prices for livestock but farmers are exiting the business!" he exclaims. "Why? Farmers know they won't make money...
Weather is a factor, too. "We've had the luxury for the last three years of extremely good corn crops, with high yields and good growing conditions. We are just one bad weather event away from potentially $10 corn, which once again is another 50% increase in the input cost to our live production."

...Not all companies will survive this economic whirlwind. Mr. Pope recalls what happened the last time there was a surge in corn prices, in 2008: "The largest chicken processor in the United States, Pilgrim's Pride, filed for bankruptcy." They "couldn't raise prices, so their cost of production went up dramatically." Could it happen again? "It darn well could!" Mr. Pope exclaims.
...Mr. Pope says the "losers" here "are the consumer, who's going to have to pay more for the product, and the livestock farmer who's going to have to buy high-priced grain that he can't afford because he's stretching his own lines of credit. The hog farmer . . . is in jeopardy of simply going out of business 'cause he doesn't have the cash liquidity to even pay for the corn to pay for the input to raise the hog. It's a dynamic that we can't sustain."
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FOURTH?

The consumer! So where are YOU? I say three strikes and you're OUT! OBVIOUSLY, we have a LOT of inflation!

Steve
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So maybe we need to get rid of factory farms anyways. Animals should eat their natural food - not corn. Corn is something they started stuffing down animals throats so they could mass produce the life forms like they were bic lighters.

    Now you have even a worse problem - a lot of that corn is GMO - and they are using it to feed OUR food. Monsanto's little tweaked seeds and mafia sales techniques was the cause of rising meat prices to begin with. If we started practicing sustainability instead of corporate greed in our farming much of this mess could have been prevented.

    Not saying that inflation isn't going to topple our butts. Just saying the large corporate take over of food systems is going to show it's true colors real fast. It's going to be a story to die for.

    As far as inflation -- yeah, that's what happens when the debt is monetized. We knew that - they knew that. And anyone says that this is the worst we're going to see is living on a freaking cloud.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Inflation has been quietly rising in a way that many people haven't noticed. Packages may stay the same size - but the weight of product in various food lines has been decreasing.

      Our local Wallymart just complete a "renovation". All they did was enlarge the pharmacy but the used that excuse to reposition everything in the huge store (reposition = moving things around).

      As the new "improved store" was revealed the first thing you notice is they are featuring more generic items (their own generic brand) and the prices on almost all items has increased by 4-10%.

      In one year the bread I prefer has gone from 2.79 a loaf to 4.10. Inflation is happening - either the "experts" haven't noticed it or they hope we won't realize it's happening.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Inflation has been quietly rising in a way that many people haven't noticed. Packages may stay the same size - but the weight of product in various food lines has been decreasing.

        Our local Wallymart just complete a "renovation". All they did was enlarge the pharmacy but the used that excuse to reposition everything in the huge store (reposition = moving things around).

        As the new "improved store" was revealed the first thing you notice is they are featuring more generic items (their own generic brand) and the prices on almost all items has increased by 4-10%.

        In one year the bread I prefer has gone from 2.79 a loaf to 4.10. Inflation is happening - either the "experts" haven't noticed it or they hope we won't realize it's happening.

        kay
        Yeah, just a couple days ago I tried to buy a SMALL tube of toothpaste. I could SWEAR They used to be almost 3oz. NOW, *****"SAME SIZE****** mind you, the toothpaste tubes that LOOKED the same size, etc.... ranged from .75-1.50oz! I'm going to have to look for an old tube. but the .75-1.50 were from the same company, same time, same size box, looked to be about the same sized tube, and were the same price. They were different flavors, type. And Clark, that bargain shopper/invester that says he was a millionare and retired by the time he was like 30, issued the SAME warning Kay did, less than about a week ago!

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    Kay - most of the experts have enough money that inflation isn't hurting them, so they just plain don't care. If it pays to keep your mouth shut, why tell everyone what is going on?

    I'm just a little flabbergasted that people didn't understand what monetizing the debt would mean in real terms. Don't schools teach ANY economics any more?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Kay - most of the experts have enough money that inflation isn't hurting them, so they just plain don't care. If it pays to keep your mouth shut, why tell everyone what is going on?

      I'm just a little flabbergasted that people didn't understand what monetizing the debt would mean in real terms. Don't schools teach ANY economics any more?
      Actually, people should just KNOW this stuff, ICSM. Not knowing this is like that woman that sued claiming she didn't know hot coffee would be hot!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Steve -


        We think people should "know" stuff. But that simplifies it.

        Many "people" check the news to see what's going on - they have full lives with families and work and hobbies and they don't worry about things until it affects them personally. That's normal for us humans.

        A year from now inflation may be in the spotlight and then people will see it - now there's a feeling of "prices are going up but I can't do anything".

        And, really, we can't do anything about it - so knowing what's happening is good but worrying over it is useless.

        I've been stockpiling foods that I use on a regular basis. When certain soups and other canned or frozen foods are loss leader sales - I buy those things by the dozen and set up a couple shelf units in the garage to hold the cans.

        I'm not one of the crazy coupon shoppers (takes too much time) but I do a lot of sales shopping when the supermarkets are in heavy competition locally. My theory is every 1.89 product I can buy on sale for $1 or buy-one/get-one-free....is $2-3 I'll save in the future.

        At the very least - I always have a choice of what to eat!

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Actually, people should just KNOW this stuff, ICSM. Not knowing this is like that woman that sued claiming she didn't know hot coffee would be hot!

        Steve
        How are they "just going to know" when macro-economics is a whole different animal than micro-economics. People still think national debt is the same animal as the debt they have when they owe on something they bought. That's how the media can create fear in people over the debt. If people understood the full scale of paper vs. metal backed money - they would have shouted to high hell and back over the fed monetizing the debt.

        Gas prices causing havoc? Well, gee - since oil companies are making billions in profits per quarter -- why not take the billions of taxpayer money that is being used to "subsidize" one of the most lucrative industries in the world and use them to build refineries here? We've got oil. We don't have refineries. How bout making BP live up to it's contract and stop selling Alaska oil offshore?

        There are solutions to the problems now -- but we won't see them until we start running on an economic system that isn't built on crony capitalism.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Don't schools teach ANY economics any more?
      When I was at school, one of the the basic things they taught is in mathematics* was the effects of compounding. It isn't necessary to teach economics, just ordinary maths.


      *That was back in the days when calculators were the size of a housebrick, and you were failed in maths if you were caught using one. On exams you had to write down all your workings to show how you arrived at the final answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, there is all this garbage about gas prices going up. I just wanted to show that if gas prices are going up, it is VERY little! The reason why it LOOKS so high is because of inflation. ICSM.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      But - gas prices are going up. Crude oil topped $113 a barrel last week. We're at almost $4 a gallon here - over a dollar more than a couple months ago.

      Doesn't hurt me much because I don't have to drive a lot - but it's painful for those who do have long commutes.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        But - gas prices are going up. Crude oil topped $113 a barrel last week. We're at almost $4 a gallon here - over a dollar more than a couple months ago.

        Doesn't hurt me much because I don't have to drive a lot - but it's painful for those who do have long commutes.
        YEAH, it ONLY went up to $113! The way prices are moving at the pumps, you would figure it was $200 or even $300 or $400. and even the $113 is DOLLARS! If it stayed at the same absolute price, the inflation of the dollar would force it HIGHER! And THAT is what is happening.

        BTW It is a little known fact that the oil company in the US primarily started to produce KEROSENE! GAS was UNKNOWN at the time, and Cars were a HOBBY at BEST(They ONLY guy to really get mass production going was FORD!), but Kerosene was used for lamps to provide light. As I recall, last I checked, KEROSENE was $4.25/gallon! The gas station near me actually has THREE types of pumps! GAS, DIESEL, and KEROSENE. BTW last I checked, a few days ago, GAS was $4.19 and Diesel was $4.29!

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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Well, the wholesale price of cotton is up 150% since last August.

          Oil still costs the oil companies $20 a barrel at the wellhead. Speculators add about 60% or better to the price of gas. (So I've been told)

          If the CPI rises, SS and Gov pensions will need to be raised to reflect that. So it's increase is manipulated and surpressed.

          We went through a lot of this in the 70's here and we made it out OK. This time around we have other factors influencing the outcome. Like no manufacturing to help us build wealth, and a huge outflux of our money to foreign entities.

          That outflux is what helps keep inflation a tad lower, but if they take the money and put it back into our economy through capital purchases like stocks or real estate, or outright purchases of companies than those dollars work against us regarding our inflationary prospects.
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