WSO's, pet peeves, and other little annoyances... and coffee.

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Purchased another WSO that came with a few audio files. Probably the third one this month. Great information, but several little things that get on my last nerve are... well... rather than post this in the ops thread, thought I'd just post a few "blanket annoyances" here. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or cause embarassment. Maybe my "complaints" will help those in the future who create audible WSO's or other such files.

1.) What's with all the mouth pops and swishes and gurgles in between sentences and words? How about a mic screen or a little background music to drown that out? Are you eating a peanut butter sandwich?

2.) Get the mic out of your nose. Don't need to hear each and every breath that you take.

3.) You can drag a pointer "across" a screen. Not "acrossed" a screen.

4.) The term "ninja-tactics" has been grossly overused. Ninja-this and Ninja-that. Search results on the warrior forum finds 2,300,119 occurences. And that's just today.

5.) Other over-used sales hotwords and phrases or annoying sales tactics: "I cracked the code", "I unlocked the secret", "Here's some testimonials from some of my OTHER wso's", "deadly techniques", "My 6 year old can do this", anything with the words "elite, over-delivered, blueprint, module", "secret sauce", "case study", "mindmap"...

6.) Testimonials that say a course is "well-written", or "full of typos" (who cares -- really?) or testimonials that say "I've known WSO_Pro14 for a long time. He's smart."

7.) WSO's that claim to be a "Business in a Box"... yet when reading the thread, you find, "no, I didn't have room to cover that" (digital delivery provides infinite "room")... or "no, we don't include contracts -- consult your own attorney". Or "if you don't know how to do that, search youtube for video instruction" (why not just include a simple link or two since I just paid you $29 for your "course"????)

8.) The answer to everything difficult, or ommision, or hole in the strategy -- "Outsource it."

9.) Salesletters that drag on and on and on and on... sometimes longer than the actual product.

10.) Answers in WSO threads from the op that state -- "I can't answer here... that would reveal too much. Just buy it and if you don't like it, I'll return your money".

11.) Great questions in threads, but the ops answer is, "pm sent".

12.) Thread posts consisting of nothing but, "pm sent". (Again, who cares? Do WSO authors NOT have the little mail indicator on their screen like peons like me have? Do we ALL have to know that Joe625 sent a pm to WSO_Pro718?)

13.) Webinars that ramble, jump from point to point, start 15 minutes late to make sure everyone is logged on while you listen to "is this working... can ya her me... is this on? (Dude, create an outline, tell the listeners in advance how long the webinar will be and IF there will be a recording available so we can make accomodations and schedule accordingly. Then DO what you said you would do.)


Oh, and by the way, my shrink says I should lighten up, lay off the caffiene, and learn to be more accepting. Is there a WSO on that? :p
Yeah. My name is Scotty M and I'm a WSO junky in spite of my nerve condition. I still learn from them and love them all.
  • Profile picture of the author Ragz
    I'll ditto #8... I bought a few that claim to reveal a secret to something I've been wanting to learn, only to find that the "secret" is to outsource it. And there's no further instruction or referral. Kinda upsetting, but so far, I haven't asked for any refunds since I usually learn something. But yeah, obviously, the secret that I paid to learn -- is still a secret.
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  • Profile picture of the author JordanBanks
    Ragz, saw your name on the main forum and had to come see what you just posted, cutie-pie!

    Anyhow, maybe I can hook up with ScottyM2 and make this a "How-Not-To-WSO", ya think?

    For the record, #12 has always baffled me as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Sides
      Lol, I actually agreed with 90% of what you said.

      I'll keep using my Ninja words because they work but I still think you make some valid points!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I avoid anything that consists of audio file or videos only. I'm a fast reader but an impatient listener. But I'm not the target market either.

        Answers in WSO threads from the op that state -- "I can't answer here... that would reveal too much. Just buy it and if you don't like it, I'll return your money".
        That says one trick pony to me. Tells me the focus or point of the WSO is so narrow that any info about it would give it away. A seller who operates by PM answers only - is not someone I'd buy from.

        There is a point most marketers reach when they realize they've heard enough buzzwords like "ninja". That's when you start buying only WSOs that are focused on what you need for YOUR business - and stop being just a target market purchaser for every great new opportunity/method/secret/tactic....

        Maybe you've reached that point?

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I avoid anything that consists of audio file or videos only. I'm a fast reader but an impatient listener. But I'm not the target market either.



          That says one trick pony to me. Tells me the focus or point of the WSO is so narrow that any info about it would give it away. A seller who operates by PM answers only - is not someone I'd buy from.

          There is a point most marketers reach when they realize they've heard enough buzzwords like "ninja". That's when you start buying only WSOs that are focused on what you need for YOUR business - and stop being just a target market purchaser for every great new opportunity/method/secret/tactic....

          Maybe you've reached that point?

          kay
          I have a method that after the Farmer update seems to be working very well for getting 2 word phrases ranked highly on Google.

          It's actually pretty simple and easy. I could describe it in about 5 or 6 sentences and any hints would give at least some of it away. And it is a "one trick pony", but getting top rankings for good, competitive keywords this easily is a "trick" I like.

          I've thought about a WSO for it, and may do so in the future, but again there's probably not enough "fluff/thud", just a very simple technique that's working...And any "hints" could jeopardize my "secret".

          Granted, it's working now and may not in a week, or it may take years for Google to change this.

          I don't like teasing people like this (and no, don't anyone PM me asking about it, I will just ignore your PM). I just want to point out that there are simple methods that do work and would make legit WSOs, but a few details could spoil the seller's offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    Originally Posted by ScottyM2 View Post

    Purchased another WSO that came with a few audio files. Probably the third one this month. Great information, but several little things that get on my last nerve are... well... rather than post this in the ops thread, thought I'd just post a few "blanket annoyances" here. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or cause embarassment. Maybe my "complaints" will help those in the future who create audible WSO's or other such files.

    1.) What's with all the mouth pops and swishes and gurgles in between sentences and words? How about a mic screen or a little background music to drown that out? Are you eating a peanut butter sandwich? What you're listening to is probably a raw sound file, no compression or noise reduction. They need Audio 101 lessons


    2.) Get the mic out of your nose. Don't need to hear each and every breath that you take. Again, amateur audio fixes lol

    3.) You can drag a pointer "across" a screen. Not "acrossed" a screen. It's all in the annunciation. Dialect and pronunciation of English seems to vary from place to place. I'll let it slide.

    4.) The term "ninja-tactics" has been grossly overused. Ninja-this and Ninja-that. Search results on the warrior forum finds 2,300,119 occurences. And that's just today.LOL at this one. I prefer "samurai" myself.

    5.) Other over-used sales hotwords and phrases or annoying sales tactics: "I cracked the code", "I unlocked the secret", "Here's some testimonials from some of my OTHER wso's", "deadly techniques", "My 6 year old can do this", anything with the words "elite, over-delivered, blueprint, module", "secret sauce", "case study", "mindmap"...Ah, the ever lovely IM speak. I'm used to it. Just skim it over when I read that.

    6.) Testimonials that say a course is "well-written", or "full of typos" (who cares -- really?) or testimonials that say "I've known WSO_Pro14 for a long time. He's smart." I believe there is a term used in Facebook that is quite befitting "Vaguebooking" I agree some value needs to be added to testimonials for me to consider purchasing.

    7.) WSO's that claim to be a "Business in a Box"... yet when reading the thread, you find, "no, I didn't have room to cover that" (digital delivery provides infinite "room")... or "no, we don't include contracts -- consult your own attorney". Or "if you don't know how to do that, search youtube for video instruction" (why not just include a simple link or two since I just paid you $29 for your "course"????) I disagree. I would rather be learning the technique than the basics of technical stuff.

    8.) The answer to everything difficult, or ommision, or hole in the strategy -- "Outsource it." Outsourcing is brilliant.Product owners do need to step up to the plate though if purchasers feel there's a hole in the strategy.

    9.) Salesletters that drag on and on and on and on... sometimes longer than the actual product.Ah, one of my favorites

    10.) Answers in WSO threads from the op that state -- "I can't answer here... that would reveal too much. Just buy it and if you don't like it, I'll return your money". I think this builds curiosity in buyers and can be good. As long as the product owner is truthful in their statements I don't have a problem with it.

    11.) Great questions in threads, but the ops answer is, "pm sent".This one drives me batty I will admit.

    12.) Thread posts consisting of nothing but, "pm sent". (Again, who cares? Do WSO authors NOT have the little mail indicator on their screen like peons like me have? Do we ALL have to know that Joe625 sent a pm to WSO_Pro718?)Don't know why this happens but is quite annoying.

    13.) Webinars that ramble, jump from point to point, start 15 minutes late to make sure everyone is logged on while you listen to "is this working... can ya her me... is this on? (Dude, create an outline, tell the listeners in advance how long the webinar will be and IF there will be a recording available so we can make accomodations and schedule accordingly. Then DO what you said you would do.)That is why I don't go to live ones anymore. Recordings baby!


    Oh, and by the way, my shrink says I should lighten up, lay off the caffiene, and learn to be more accepting. Is there a WSO on that? :p
    Yeah. My name is Scotty M and I'm a WSO junky in spite of my nerve condition. I still learn from them and love them all.
    I pink puffy heart my coffee. And I am a total snob with what I drink. Blue Mountain brewing over here
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
      #8 has always pissed me off. And it's not only WSO creators that say it...

      I also think if you say you know someone, you should have at least communicated by email, phone, or IM somewhat intensively. Not just "they gave me this WSO, I've known them for years!" LOL

      And the "ninja" and "secret sauce" stuff I've got no problem with, as long as they back it up. Most of them just say it.
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    • Profile picture of the author BlueIndigo
      Originally Posted by Charlotte Jay View Post

      I pink puffy heart my coffee. And I am a total snob with what I drink. Blue Mountain brewing over here

      I "pink puffy heart" my coffee too! All day long, anything with a dash of cream and sugar, lol!!
      And ditto on the sensitive mics. After a while I catch myself wondering more about what the heck could possibly be going on in the speaker's mouth than paying attention to what is being said. And on the flipside, I'm tired of mp3's or audios that are just BARELY audible or poor quality.
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  • 'Secret sauce' has a completely different connotation to me, evidently, and it is not a good one.
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  • Profile picture of the author ATTENTION
    I recently purchased from ___________, and yes, almost everything you mention here was part of "the package", lol! I am no fan of the lip smackers who seem to smack just for added emphasis of a point they just made - almost like an exclamation mark (smack*)! I can even hear little gurgles in their throat as they speak. Maybe their microphones are too sensitive or maybe as you say, a little background music would work wonders. Wasn't too distracting though, just mildly annoying at times.


    Funny thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author premiumplr
    Ok Now I'm all nervous. I think I may have cleared my throat in one of my vids.
    I don't think I smacked any but I think I may be definitely positive I did not have the microphone in my nose.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jaxxxon
    Originally Posted by ScottyM2 View Post

    Purchased another WSO that came with a few audio files. Probably the third one this month. Great information, but several little things that get on my last nerve are... well... rather than post this in the ops thread, thought I'd just post a few "blanket annoyances" here. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or cause embarassment. Maybe my "complaints" will help those in the future who create audible WSO's or other such files.

    1.) What's with all the mouth pops and swishes and gurgles in between sentences and words? How about a mic screen or a little background music to drown that out? Are you eating a peanut butter sandwich?

    2.) Get the mic out of your nose. Don't need to hear each and every breath that you take.

    3.) You can drag a pointer "across" a screen. Not "acrossed" a screen.

    4.) The term "ninja-tactics" has been grossly overused. Ninja-this and Ninja-that. Search results on the warrior forum finds 2,300,119 occurences. And that's just today.

    5.) Other over-used sales hotwords and phrases or annoying sales tactics: "I cracked the code", "I unlocked the secret", "Here's some testimonials from some of my OTHER wso's", "deadly techniques", "My 6 year old can do this", anything with the words "elite, over-delivered, blueprint, module", "secret sauce", "case study", "mindmap"...

    6.) Testimonials that say a course is "well-written", or "full of typos" (who cares -- really?) or testimonials that say "I've known WSO_Pro14 for a long time. He's smart."

    7.) WSO's that claim to be a "Business in a Box"... yet when reading the thread, you find, "no, I didn't have room to cover that" (digital delivery provides infinite "room")... or "no, we don't include contracts -- consult your own attorney". Or "if you don't know how to do that, search youtube for video instruction" (why not just include a simple link or two since I just paid you $29 for your "course"????)

    8.) The answer to everything difficult, or ommision, or hole in the strategy -- "Outsource it."

    9.) Salesletters that drag on and on and on and on... sometimes longer than the actual product.

    10.) Answers in WSO threads from the op that state -- "I can't answer here... that would reveal too much. Just buy it and if you don't like it, I'll return your money".

    11.) Great questions in threads, but the ops answer is, "pm sent".

    12.) Thread posts consisting of nothing but, "pm sent". (Again, who cares? Do WSO authors NOT have the little mail indicator on their screen like peons like me have? Do we ALL have to know that Joe625 sent a pm to WSO_Pro718?)

    13.) Webinars that ramble, jump from point to point, start 15 minutes late to make sure everyone is logged on while you listen to "is this working... can ya her me... is this on? (Dude, create an outline, tell the listeners in advance how long the webinar will be and IF there will be a recording available so we can make accomodations and schedule accordingly. Then DO what you said you would do.)


    Oh, and by the way, my shrink says I should lighten up, lay off the caffiene, and learn to be more accepting. Is there a WSO on that? :p
    Yeah. My name is Scotty M and I'm a WSO junky in spite of my nerve condition. I still learn from them and love them all.
    I love it when people quote the WHOLE salesletter like I just did here, and follow with a simple question like, "is it SEO?"

    By the way, ScottyM2, pm sent.

    :p
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