Florida Donation Support calls special ed people retards openly?

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I was recently on vacation in Pensacola, Fl and we were at the supermarket buying food. A man walked up with a donation can in a bright orange blazer and approached us. He walked up to us asked if we wanted chocolate and we politely declined, and he countered:

"Come on guys, this is an important fund raiser, we are raising money for education for fellow retards in Pensacola"

My friends and I are from a different state and we were under the impression that is politically incorrect and we thought that possibly things were different in the state or possibly, or that particular man was just rude. We let it slide and carried on with our business.

The next day we were driving down a very busy intersection and there were about 10 people wearing that same blazer except we noticed there was writing on the back of the blazers. They all said different things on the back but every one of them included the term "retard" on them. Example: One blazer said "Help the retards".

First off WTF. First off, how do you raise money by calling these kids retards and secondly how is that even accepted.

Is it me or is this just a wisconsin cultural norm?
  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    This is assuming that the people are legit*


    If these people were genuinely raising funds to help...then more power to them.

    That's marketing...here you are talking about it.

    Spreading the word they are trying to get out.

    There are only two forces in the universe, positive and negative.

    If they are out trying to do good for someone, what the hell does it matter what words they use?

    It's street kid 101...P.C. is just another acronym for B.S.


    Everyone is going to 'nice' themselves straight into hell as far as I'm concerned...quit trying to be nice people, and get something worthwhile done.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I never saw that in wisconsin, and I never heard it was different there.

    Retard is an odd word. It is probably from the french retarder(to stop or slow down). You wouldn't think it would have the sting that it obviously has had. But it does.

    Still, though it should be one of the EASIEST things to support, a lot of the money will be WASTED! WASTED on special classes that "teach" virtually NOTHING. WASTED on paying for education for "teachers" that is bad or not taken or not used. HECK, they DRUG some students into a STUPOR! And some of that chocolate is EXPENSIVE and I bet the "charity" doesn't get much.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    If all the shirts were the same, and they all said "retards" and the guy said "fellow retards" - then it would stand to reason that the group has named itself Retards. I'm sure it is meant tongue-in-cheek as well as to attract attention.

    Don't let PC stand in the way of someone's sense of humor. I'm sure they mean no harm to the DD. They might even be making a statement that PC doesn't matter - deeds do.
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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      I agree. And if he said "fellow retards", then it implies that he is, or considers himself, a "retard" as well.




      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      If all the shirts were the same, and they all said "retards" and the guy said "fellow retards" - then it would stand to reason that the group has named itself Retards. I'm sure it is meant tongue-in-cheek as well as to attract attention.

      Don't let PC stand in the way of someone's sense of humor. I'm sure they mean no harm to the DD. They might even be making a statement that PC doesn't matter - deeds do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I believe it should be up to the group that's being described to decide, not others.

    If people with mental disabilities don't like being called "retards", then they shouldn't be called "retards". If it's OK with them, then OK.

    And like with any group, there's probably a mix of opinions...Not to brag, but I have a big enough vocabulary that I can think of other descriptive words that aren't nearly as likely to be offensive to those they may describe, or their families.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I believe it should be up to the group that's being described to decide, not others.

      If people with mental disabilities don't like being called "retards", then they shouldn't be called "retards". If it's OK with them, then OK.

      And like with any group, there's probably a mix of opinions...Not to brag, but I have a big enough vocabulary that I can think of other descriptive words that aren't nearly as likely to be offensive to those they may describe, or their families.
      It DOES get confusing though. Look at blacks! Or how about "Little people"! Can you imagine a child, who is QUITE LITTLE, being told that he or she isn't a little person? CONFUSING!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        It DOES get confusing though. Look at blacks! Or how about "Little people"! Can you imagine a child, who is QUITE LITTLE, being told that he or she isn't a little person? CONFUSING!

        Steve
        Like I said, I have a big enough vocabulary to select a word that won't offend.

        And try explaining things to the kid, they have a "strange" ability to learn stuff. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Like I said, I have a big enough vocabulary to select a word that won't offend.

          And try explaining things to the kid, they have a "strange" ability to learn stuff. :rolleyes:
          OK, outside of using race or color or characteristics, or the effect of them, how do you describe a persons race or color? Think about it, ALL of that OFFENDS whether positive or negative! And YEAH, kids can learn it, CERTAINLY, but the idea that a little person is not necessarily a "little person" IS a bit odd!

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  • Profile picture of the author pogul
    As many scammers as we have here in FL I would be surpised if they weren't legit..
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Sounds very shifty!

    You need to remember people go out and film pranks for the sake of posting up on video sites too, though perhaps that's thinking too deep...
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I'm 41 so I group up being called retarded and I certainly called my friends that more often than not. It was normal back then in Michigan when I was growing up.

    But we had a kid our age who grew up across the street from us that was retarded and we NEVER called him that out of respect. Plus we feared him given the fact he beat the living hell out of the last neighborhood kid who called him that. To us he was just another kid on the street.

    Just yesterday my daughter came home from school claiming the principal of her called a school wide assembly to state that the word retard was now considered the same as the F word and anyone using it under any circumstances would be expelled from school. So times are changing for sure.

    I could care less about being politically correct. But I would rather die than make fun of someone less fortunate than myself. So I guess that keeps me politically correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Originally Posted by hustlenflow View Post

    I was recently on vacation in Pensacola, Fl and we were at the supermarket buying food. A man walked up with a donation can in a bright orange blazer and approached us. He walked up to us asked if we wanted chocolate and we politely declined, and he countered:

    "Come on guys, this is an important fund raiser, we are raising money for education for fellow retards in Pensacola"

    My friends and I are from a different state and we were under the impression that is politically incorrect and we thought that possibly things were different in the state or possibly, or that particular man was just rude. We let it slide and carried on with our business.

    The next day we were driving down a very busy intersection and there were about 10 people wearing that same blazer except we noticed there was writing on the back of the blazers. They all said different things on the back but every one of them included the term "retard" on them. Example: One blazer said "Help the retards".

    First off WTF. First off, how do you raise money by calling these kids retards and secondly how is that even accepted.

    Is it me or is this just a wisconsin cultural norm?





    I have witnessed 'good' people talk about helping the poor, and can't wait to get around them on the street.


    I have seen the most 'profane' turn and talk and give to people in need.

    I just did today...:p


    Which would you rather see coming...

    Which is the bigger 'insult'

    I'll bet and hope they do well at that campaign, I really do,

    until some 'good' people, shut them down for their own 'good'.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Actually if you want to look at the "Retards" from a sociolinguistic/psycholinguistic point of view - the name is brilliant.

    PC doesn't resolve anything other than providing another means for lawyers to make money and for people to be prosecuted for exercising their freedom of expression.

    Okay - example - The word "nigger" used to be a widely used term. It was derogatory in the extreme. It is now "forbidden" for use by whites. Asians and blacks use it all the time with no fear of prosecution for it. Has the use of the term resolved any discriminatory feelings between races? No. If a person doesn't like blacks, they spit the word black when they say it. Just like blacks who don't like whites spit the word "white" when they say it. Changing words doesn't change people's minds - it just transfers feelings from one word to the next.

    Once a society of split races evolves beyond discrimination on the basis of race it doesn't matter what word is used to describe the other race - it WON'T be seen as derogatory because there will be no negative feelings transferred in the use of the word.

    What the "Retards" are doing is disabling the word from being able to cause hurt to the children they are helping. Before the group formed, if someone called one of the children involved with the group a "retard", that word had power to hurt them. Suddenly a group of very able, motivated, and kind people came along that the children can look up to and feel cared for by. They call themselves "Retards". What happens now when someone calls that kid a retard? They smile and say "Yes. Yes I am" and they feel pride instead of shame because they are associated with a fine cast of humans. That could have been done in America wide-scale and the words that are "offensive" would have been completely disabled. Our politicians KNOW that - or at least their linguistic advisers do. Placing words on "prohibited" lists actually gives them more strength than they originally had.

    PC is NOT a means to alleviate discrimination - it is a means of oppression. It is also very lucrative way to oppress because people get stupid about it and "claim" offense whenever they feel like making some cash or tormenting those who don't like them.

    I hate to say it, but people who feel that the developmentally disabled are a sub-class of humans don't feel any different about them just because they have been forced to use different terminology for them. The term "DD" which is short for the new improved and "accepted" term is now used in place of the word "retard" with every bit of the same connotation as the word "retard" had. So what new word will be thought up to replace that term when our leaders realize that when they are called "DD" they have just, in effect, been called "retarded"? And - how long will it be before we can be sued for using the term because it "offends" someone?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Heysal,

    The n-word is related to a VERY old word that simply means BLACK! Even the C word merely referred to black. NOW, blacks make a distinction between black and brown. I wonder where THAT will go.

    Anyway, in Delaware(in the US), they now have a PSA(TV ads meant to express info to the community as a public service) that says to NOT say retard[ed]. They have a young girl, that looks like she has downs syndrome, that tries to emphasize it.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Heysal,

      The n-word is related to a VERY old word that simply means BLACK! Even the C word merely referred to black. NOW, blacks make a distinction between black and brown. I wonder where THAT will go.

      Anyway, in Delaware(in the US), they now have a PSA(TV ads meant to express info to the community as a public service) that says to NOT say retard[ed]. They have a young girl, that looks like she has downs syndrome, that tries to emphasize it.

      Steve
      Words in themselves aren't evil or good - it is the perceptions that we use them to label that makes them that way. If you had never seen or heard of a Black person and heard one called nigger - you would have no clue (other than the tone of the speaker's voice) that the word had a bad connotation.

      Same with retard - if you never heard the word before and heard someone use it to describe someone with downs syndrome, you'd have no clue in heck (other than the tone of the speaker's voice) that it was anything other than a description of downs syndrome. They would not recognize the word as degrading.

      You can legislate words - but you won't get the effect you want. All you will do is make people transfer their negative connotations to new words. People have to change their mind about a group before any social acceptance takes place. Once a group is accepted by mainstream society, you can continue to use the same words that have always been offensive and they will lose their derogatory meaning over a few generations.

      If any of you are around 25 years from now - remember you heard this here first. The only races in America that do not use the word "nigger" now are the white races. That's understandable because of history - but....in about 25 years you will see whites using it again, too - but it won't be derogatory, it will be just another word. This is going to happen because the word is still in frequent use - used by blacks for the same reasons given in other posts - to own it. Younger people in our society (of ALL races) don't remember the days of segregation and real get down and dirty prejudice and suppression. Once the older generation that is still familiar with racism and segregation starts to die off and young generations start getting older - people will forget. They might see it in history books and intellectually they will know it used to be like that -- but they won't be able to actually FEEL it anymore. The word will begin being used again by the young in races who don't utter it now - but there will be no stigma attached to it anymore. If the rare odd person were to actually try to use it to insult someone by that time, nobody would even recognize it as an insult. A more generic insult would have to be flung for people to know someone was being insulted.

      These kind of changes take time/generations to take place - but it is the same in all tongues and it has been happening since the beginning of society. Language is nothing but labeling for our concepts. It evolves linearly with society. The changes always reflect the ethos of the culture.

      There is a new stigma word developing now. This time it's not racial. The word is "poor". People in a few generations will either have money or be called "poor". Sure, it is today, too - but you never hear the poor calling themselves that anymore. Today's culture is becoming very condescending to the poor and the the term "poor" is taking on a very negative connotation. The mindset is becoming elitist and evolving in a direction that when someone is called "poor" the word is used as a classist slam. All the "civilized" people will deny that is true - but you can bet your donuts I'm right on this one. Either the word "uneducated" or another will form derogatory connotations and will be used against people who aren't college educated, too. These changes will be a little more subtle for the next ten years or so than some because you can't always look at someone and see money and education but the youth are buying for status already. We are in a migration of social status right now, coming out of racism and moving toward polar classes.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    "Retard" is a nasty term. I personally know and am friends with individuals with intellectual challenges of a variety of ranges. No two are alike and some are actually brilliant one way or another. I hate the term because it is inaccurate, besides being cruel.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    There seems to be a wave of groups claiming the words that were once hurled at them as abuse.

    In Canada recently a young woman who was sexually assaulted got told by one of the "enlightened" police officers "Well if you dress like a slut, that's what you can expect' (or words to that effect).

    That prompted a gang of women to claim the epithet for themselves and wear it proudly. They then started what was called the "Slutwalk" in Montreal. Other women around the world have embraced the idea with similar walks being held in the US, UK, Australia and elsewhere.

    As Sal pointed out, black people refer to each other as "Niggaz", thereby taking away any power that word has as a form of abuse by other races. Women are now claiming the word "slut" for themselves, rendering the term useless as an insult to them.

    Perhaps this might be something similar. By using the word "retard", it may be taking away any power that word has as an insult.
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