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So... Who believes in the Illuminati???

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    Originally Posted by Seanjtucker View Post

    What's your thoughts on this topic?
    I can't say I do. My brother, on the other hand, is pretty much an anti-Illuminati cult hero. I wouldn't be able to begin explaining to you what he believes, because I never got a clear picture of what he believes.

    Are there privileged families with wealth and power that go back generations? Yes. Are they organized to the extent that the Illuminati are purported to be? I don't think so. People yak, someone messes up, the beans get spilled here and there.
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    While I find this subject fascinating on several levels, threads about this subject are usually deleted as political and start some real thrashing and gnashing from pro and con camps.

    It can get pretty gnarly so I see why they are deleted. Interesting to see how long this one survives.
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    Originally Posted by Seanjtucker View Post

    What's your thoughts on this topic?
    When someone asks a question like this without giving an opinion of their own it makes me think they are just trying to start some controversy.
    So tell me Seanjtucker, what are YOUR thoughts?
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        1. There are many Illuminated groups, with different kinds of secret knowledge. Anything you might say about them (including this) will be false for some of the Illuminati, but true for others, which only adds to the confusion and mystery.
        2. The Illuminati infiltrate and take over organizations of all kinds, from churches to the post office to the corner grocery store, and turn them to their own ends.
        3. And, just as a black joke, some of their subject organizations advertise themselves as Secret Societies.
        4. They have agents and "sleepers" planted everywhere. Many of these people have no idea who they are really reporting to. Others are active members of the conspiracy, working their way ever deeper into the fabric of society.
        5. They control the schools in order to make sure that young people learn to enjoy strange tuneless music and weird outlandish games, and that they dress oddly.
        6. They also try to recruit the best and the brightest young people as agents, to insure the next generation of the Conspiracy.
        7. They constantly feud among themselves and war with other groups and organizations. Each group of Illuminati is constantly striving to increase its power base and undermine the competition.
        8. Their first means of dealing with opposition is to buy it off. To any group as rich as the Illuminati, a few million dollars are nothing.
        9. Next they try threats. Danger to possessions, status or loved ones has dissuaded many a would-be foe of Illuminati schemes.
        10. And, of course, murder is an ancient political weapon. The Illuminati have been responsible for some of the most shocking assassinations of modern times.
        11. They also replace people with doubles. For many years they recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace anybody.
        12. Those who can't be dealt with any other way are discredited or driven mad.
        13. The Illuminati conspiracy is hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. Many of the most famous names of history have been Illuminated, or Illuminati agents. Indeed, all of history is nothing more than an outside view of the schemes and struggles of the Illuminati.
        14. And, of course, the Illuminati are constantly rewriting history to serve their own goals. For instance, modern schoolchildren are taught that there is no historical evidence of Jesus Christ, and they learn nothing about the Russo-German War or the state of Arcadia.
        15. They control the news media, so you hear what they want you to about today's news. Any event that doesn't fit in with their program will be quickly hushed up.
        16. In particular, they control television. They don't permit intelligent shows to survive; they encourage mind candy that will keep people from thinking. The only reason good shows are permitted to appear at all is to convince intelligent people that nobody else likes such material, and that there must be something wrong with them.
        17. The Illuminati manipulate the stock market and control currencies on an international level. Your paycheck is worth just what the Illuminati want it to be.
        18. Likewise, the entire "energy crisis" is an Illuminati invention. There's no shortage of energy, of a dozen different kinds, but plentiful free energy might threaten the Illuminated power base.
        19. The Illuminati are doing their best to hold back the space program, for the same reason. If mankind was spread out through the solar system, they'd be much harder to control. [Not all the Illuminati agree on this. Some of them lust after the mineral wealth of space, and some want (literally) new worlds to conquer..
        20. And some of them are in touch with aliens from outer space. Some of them ARE aliens. Why would "advanced beings" want to meddle with the affairs of Earthlings? Good question.
        21. Worse, some of them have actual magical powers and are in league with forces from ... elsewhere. Great huge beings that are madness to look upon, or tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners. They have pins and dolls; they know old names.
        22. Other Illuminati have embraced technology. Their files of information are much more useful when backed by the power of the computer. They are also conditioning everyone to believe that computers are so complicated and dangerous that only the Experts should play with them. Next time you get an electric bill for $666,666.66, you know who's behind it.
        23. And some of these technophiles have gone a step farther, creating actual machine intelligences. These sentient computers are now, themselves, a force amoung the ruling Illuminati.
        24. The Illuminati don't like war; it's expensive and wasteful. War only happens when two groups of Illuminati are very evenly matched and neither is willing to negotiate. But then they whip a few nations into a patriotic fervor and go at it.
        25. They send secret messages through the newspapers and airwaves -- in the classified ads, and even buried in news reports. They have other, even stranger forms of secret communications ... all around you, all the time.
        26. They keep everyone -- yes, everyone -- under constant surveillance. Every time you fill out another questionnaire, you're weaving another strand of the net that binds the world.
        27. They are working to make the law as confusing as possible, so everything will be illegal or potentially illegal -- then they have a hold on everybody and everyone will fear the laws.
        28. They encourage resistance to authority among young people and political dissidents, to distract government attention from the real enemy within.
        29. But when they reach a satisfactory level of control, they turn their efforts toward extinguishing independence and encouraging mindless obedience to whatever orders come from the Illuminati or their servants.
        30. They commit random atrocities -- poisoning food at grocery stores, murdering old blind ladies, sniping on the freeway -- just to make people vaguely confused, frightened and paranoid.
        31. They suppress inventions which might change the status quo. The 100-mile-a-gallon carburator, the perfect contraceptive, and the cornucopia plant are all lying in Illuminati vaults, waiting for the day when it will suit the Secret Masters to release them. What happened to the inventors? Bought off, intimidated, or just vanished.
        32. On the other hand, they also maintain secret laboratories where they develop new weapons and devices of all kind.
        33. Their arcane investigations cause all sorts of mysteries. Ever wonder about the Loch Ness Monster? The "cattle mutilations?" The Oregon Crud.
        34. And they require hundreds of human victims every year for their experiments. Ever wonder why there are so many Missing Persons reports, and why so few of those people are found.
        35. They are constantly experimenting with new types of mind control. They put drugs in drinking water, flash subliminal messages during movies and TV shows, and play instructions that you can't quite hear over supermarket loudspeakers. They experiment with microwaves and ultra-low-frequency devices, too.
        36. And every wire in your house is a potential pathway for Illuminati messages, attacks or controlling rays. Did you ever stop to think just how many wires lead to your house? And do you have any idea where they really come from?
        37. Naturally, they discourage investigation of the strange and unusual, because it might lead to them. But they encourage people to joke about the Illuminati.
        38. They also publish supermarket tabloids, just to make sure that everybody thinks "Hitler's Brain Is Alive!" and "Bigfoot Seen In Hawaii" are just jokes.
        39. And they encourage the craziest pseudo-science "researchers" they can find, because this tends to discredit legitimate investigators into the unusual.
        40. A popular belief is that the Illuminati want power for its own sake. This is true of some of them. But other Illuminated groups exist to support an ideology, to achieve a particular goal, or simply to oppose some other group of Illuminati.
        41. One of their chief preoccupations is life extension by any means possible. Nobody who has held ultimate power for fifty years is eager to let it go. Anything you can think of ... yoga, cryonics, body-exchange, magic, cloning, goat (or other) glands, transfusions, computerized personality duplication ... has been tried by the Illuminati at one time or another. And some of them work.
        42. Furthermore, powerful Illuminati from past centuries lie waiting to be revived when science allows it. Mummies, pickled corpses, frozen bodies, conscious brains in jars ... you would recognize the names if we could mention them.
        43. You're not cleared for this one.
        44. They use disease as a weapon to discipline their own populations or destroy competing ones. Black Death in Europe, smallpox among the American Indians ... The swine flu, a few years ago, was thwarted by opposing forces, or you probably wouldn't be reading this.
        45. They have a variety of unhuman and inhuman servants. The dreaded Men in Black are perhaps their best-known agents. No one knows whether the MIBs are androids, golems, or something even worse. Perhaps they were once human...
        46. And they really are breeding a Master Race. The Nazis had no idea how they were being used, or why. And they'd be horrified at the Illuminati's idea of perfection.
        47. The Illuminati know weird sexual techniques undreamed of in the Kama Sutra. They also know why those techniques are used.
        48. The next time you spend too much money to buy something you didn't want or need, and it breaks in a week, you can be sure you've just contributed to an Illuminati fund-raising project.
        49. They start chain letters. They also plant rumors that the Red Cross can buy an iron lung if you send them a million cigarette packages, and that dying children in England want ten million business cards. No one knows why they do this.
        50. Fnord.

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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          ROFLMAO! Keep an eye out for Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            ROFLMAO! Keep an eye out for Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists.
            Well HEY, if you wakeup some day, and find garbage ALL OVER your floor, and you are the only one that was there, absent any natural disaster or stupid luck(like the ceiling collapsing due to termites), and it happens all the time, nobody could blame you for being "paranoid".

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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              Well HEY, if you wakeup some day, and find garbage ALL OVER your floor, and you are the only one that was there, absent any natural disaster or stupid luck(like the ceiling collapsing due to termites), and it happens all the time, nobody could blame you for being "paranoid".

              Steve
              Can't see that anyone could blame you, except for maybe the one-eyed landlord who keeps picking up after you and muttering in garbled Draco-reptilian utterances that you're a good for nothing lazy-assed slob who could never make it as an Illuminati.
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          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          1. There are many Illuminated groups, with different kinds of secret knowledge. Anything you might say about them (including this) will be false for some of the Illuminati, but true for others, which only adds to the confusion and mystery.
          2. The Illuminati infiltrate and take over organizations of all kinds, from churches to the post office to the corner grocery store, and turn them to their own ends.
          3. And, just as a black joke, some of their subject organizations advertise themselves as Secret Societies.
          4. They have agents and "sleepers" planted everywhere. Many of these people have no idea who they are really reporting to. Others are active members of the conspiracy, working their way ever deeper into the fabric of society.
          5. They control the schools in order to make sure that young people learn to enjoy strange tuneless music and weird outlandish games, and that they dress oddly.
          6. They also try to recruit the best and the brightest young people as agents, to insure the next generation of the Conspiracy.
          7. They constantly feud among themselves and war with other groups and organizations. Each group of Illuminati is constantly striving to increase its power base and undermine the competition.
          8. Their first means of dealing with opposition is to buy it off. To any group as rich as the Illuminati, a few million dollars are nothing.
          9. Next they try threats. Danger to possessions, status or loved ones has dissuaded many a would-be foe of Illuminati schemes.
          10. And, of course, murder is an ancient political weapon. The Illuminati have been responsible for some of the most shocking assassinations of modern times.
          11. They also replace people with doubles. For many years they recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace anybody.
          12. Those who can't be dealt with any other way are discredited or driven mad.
          13. The Illuminati conspiracy is hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. Many of the most famous names of history have been Illuminated, or Illuminati agents. Indeed, all of history is nothing more than an outside view of the schemes and struggles of the Illuminati.
          14. And, of course, the Illuminati are constantly rewriting history to serve their own goals. For instance, modern schoolchildren are taught that there is no historical evidence of Jesus Christ, and they learn nothing about the Russo-German War or the state of Arcadia.
          15. They control the news media, so you hear what they want you to about today's news. Any event that doesn't fit in with their program will be quickly hushed up.
          16. In particular, they control television. They don't permit intelligent shows to survive; they encourage mind candy that will keep people from thinking. The only reason good shows are permitted to appear at all is to convince intelligent people that nobody else likes such material, and that there must be something wrong with them.
          17. The Illuminati manipulate the stock market and control currencies on an international level. Your paycheck is worth just what the Illuminati want it to be.
          18. Likewise, the entire "energy crisis" is an Illuminati invention. There's no shortage of energy, of a dozen different kinds, but plentiful free energy might threaten the Illuminated power base.
          19. The Illuminati are doing their best to hold back the space program, for the same reason. If mankind was spread out through the solar system, they'd be much harder to control. [Not all the Illuminati agree on this. Some of them lust after the mineral wealth of space, and some want (literally) new worlds to conquer..
          20. And some of them are in touch with aliens from outer space. Some of them ARE aliens. Why would "advanced beings" want to meddle with the affairs of Earthlings? Good question.
          21. Worse, some of them have actual magical powers and are in league with forces from ... elsewhere. Great huge beings that are madness to look upon, or tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners. They have pins and dolls; they know old names.
          22. Other Illuminati have embraced technology. Their files of information are much more useful when backed by the power of the computer. They are also conditioning everyone to believe that computers are so complicated and dangerous that only the Experts should play with them. Next time you get an electric bill for $666,666.66, you know who's behind it.
          23. And some of these technophiles have gone a step farther, creating actual machine intelligences. These sentient computers are now, themselves, a force amoung the ruling Illuminati.
          24. The Illuminati don't like war; it's expensive and wasteful. War only happens when two groups of Illuminati are very evenly matched and neither is willing to negotiate. But then they whip a few nations into a patriotic fervor and go at it.
          25. They send secret messages through the newspapers and airwaves -- in the classified ads, and even buried in news reports. They have other, even stranger forms of secret communications ... all around you, all the time.
          26. They keep everyone -- yes, everyone -- under constant surveillance. Every time you fill out another questionnaire, you're weaving another strand of the net that binds the world.
          27. They are working to make the law as confusing as possible, so everything will be illegal or potentially illegal -- then they have a hold on everybody and everyone will fear the laws.
          28. They encourage resistance to authority among young people and political dissidents, to distract government attention from the real enemy within.
          29. But when they reach a satisfactory level of control, they turn their efforts toward extinguishing independence and encouraging mindless obedience to whatever orders come from the Illuminati or their servants.
          30. They commit random atrocities -- poisoning food at grocery stores, murdering old blind ladies, sniping on the freeway -- just to make people vaguely confused, frightened and paranoid.
          31. They suppress inventions which might change the status quo. The 100-mile-a-gallon carburator, the perfect contraceptive, and the cornucopia plant are all lying in Illuminati vaults, waiting for the day when it will suit the Secret Masters to release them. What happened to the inventors? Bought off, intimidated, or just vanished.
          32. On the other hand, they also maintain secret laboratories where they develop new weapons and devices of all kind.
          33. Their arcane investigations cause all sorts of mysteries. Ever wonder about the Loch Ness Monster? The "cattle mutilations?" The Oregon Crud.
          34. And they require hundreds of human victims every year for their experiments. Ever wonder why there are so many Missing Persons reports, and why so few of those people are found.
          35. They are constantly experimenting with new types of mind control. They put drugs in drinking water, flash subliminal messages during movies and TV shows, and play instructions that you can't quite hear over supermarket loudspeakers. They experiment with microwaves and ultra-low-frequency devices, too.
          36. And every wire in your house is a potential pathway for Illuminati messages, attacks or controlling rays. Did you ever stop to think just how many wires lead to your house? And do you have any idea where they really come from?
          37. Naturally, they discourage investigation of the strange and unusual, because it might lead to them. But they encourage people to joke about the Illuminati.
          38. They also publish supermarket tabloids, just to make sure that everybody thinks "Hitler's Brain Is Alive!" and "Bigfoot Seen In Hawaii" are just jokes.
          39. And they encourage the craziest pseudo-science "researchers" they can find, because this tends to discredit legitimate investigators into the unusual.
          40. A popular belief is that the Illuminati want power for its own sake. This is true of some of them. But other Illuminated groups exist to support an ideology, to achieve a particular goal, or simply to oppose some other group of Illuminati.
          41. One of their chief preoccupations is life extension by any means possible. Nobody who has held ultimate power for fifty years is eager to let it go. Anything you can think of ... yoga, cryonics, body-exchange, magic, cloning, goat (or other) glands, transfusions, computerized personality duplication ... has been tried by the Illuminati at one time or another. And some of them work.
          42. Furthermore, powerful Illuminati from past centuries lie waiting to be revived when science allows it. Mummies, pickled corpses, frozen bodies, conscious brains in jars ... you would recognize the names if we could mention them.
          43. You're not cleared for this one.
          44. They use disease as a weapon to discipline their own populations or destroy competing ones. Black Death in Europe, smallpox among the American Indians ... The swine flu, a few years ago, was thwarted by opposing forces, or you probably wouldn't be reading this.
          45. They have a variety of unhuman and inhuman servants. The dreaded Men in Black are perhaps their best-known agents. No one knows whether the MIBs are androids, golems, or something even worse. Perhaps they were once human...
          46. And they really are breeding a Master Race. The Nazis had no idea how they were being used, or why. And they'd be horrified at the Illuminati's idea of perfection.
          47. The Illuminati know weird sexual techniques undreamed of in the Kama Sutra. They also know why those techniques are used.
          48. The next time you spend too much money to buy something you didn't want or need, and it breaks in a week, you can be sure you've just contributed to an Illuminati fund-raising project.
          49. They start chain letters. They also plant rumors that the Red Cross can buy an iron lung if you send them a million cigarette packages, and that dying children in England want ten million business cards. No one knows why they do this.
          50. Fnord.

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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          [QUOTE=Roaddog;4071121]

          They start chain letters. They also plant rumors that the Red Cross can buy an iron lung if you send them a million cigarette packages, and that dying children in England want ten million business cards. No one knows why they do this.

          Just keep them coming!! Mwah ha ha ha ha ....... ad nauseam

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      • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
        I do too. It's a real b%tch to try and read in the dark.

        Originally Posted by rsseosolution View Post

        i have strong belief in illumination
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    The key to that, to me funny, little diatribe is looking up the word fnord.

    Why, I'd be willing to bet Paul Myers wouldn't even have to look it up.....:p


    Edit: I never heard of it Merlyn, till I looked this up...fnord...grock...I'm pretty sure I used to get in trouble as a kid for saying those...lol
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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      I know the word

      And you are a nut, but a very funny nut.




      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      The key to that, to me funny, little diatribe is looking up the word fnord.

      Why, I'd be willing to bet Paul Myers wouldn't even have to look it up.....:p
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by MerlynSanchez View Post

        I know the word

        And you are a nut, but a very funny nut.

        Oh that's not mine Merlyn, if you look at the bottom, it was written by a guy named Steve Jackson. I just thought it was funny and applicable.

        The only conspiracy I believe in, is greed, and that's no secret....:p
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          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          Oh that's not mine Merlyn, if you look at the bottom, it was written by a guy named Steve Jackson. I just thought it was funny and applicable.

          The only conspiracy I believe in, is greed, and that's no secret....:p
          I consider the JFK assasination as a possible conspiracy. Other than that, I don't believe people can keep a secret very well and someone would spill the beans for a million dollar book/movie deal, which leads us back to Jim's original conspiracy.
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I consider the JFK assasination as a possible conspiracy. Other than that, I don't believe people can keep a secret very well and someone would spill the beans for a million dollar book deal, which leads us back to Jim's original conspiracy.

            That is exactly correct Kurt, some of the military ones crack me up...you couldn't keep a ship full of people or a division quiet if you tried.


            PS they've been known to tilt a few too...

            I remember the first time I went to Korea in Osan.
            They gave us a half hour melodramatic speech about not talking about the U2's that were there (they are no longer secret..for the behind the times)
            anyway, two hours later I'm out in a bar in Osan a there are two mechanics at the bar, drunk as skunks...talking about how f'ed up the gauges are in the U2.

            Literal... true story...sometimes I really wish I had the half hour back...lol



            edit: one thing that 'they' didn't screw around with in those day's was the SR71.

            Under cover of darkness, guns drawn, gimme that efen camera..I never did get a picture ...lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              sometimes I really wish I had the half hour back
              I've had many times like that....

              I could never be with the Illuminati (if there is only one, is he/she an illuminator?) - those dudes are far too busy. I hate a hectic schedule.
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              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              one thing that 'they' didn't screw around with in those day's was the SR71.

              Under cover of darkness, guns drawn, gimme that efen camera..I never did get a picture ...lol
              Come on over to the Grand Lodge in Palmdale, CA. I'll buy ya a beer and show you two of 'em sittin right out in the open. Kids climb all over them now.
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                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                Come on over to the Grand Lodge in Palmdale, CA. I'll buy ya a beer and show you two of 'em sittin right out in the open. Kids climb all over them now.

                I know, my brother lives in Lancaster.

                They have been decommissioned for years.

                Back then they were one of the most closely guarded planes in the military, if not thee closest.


                ps....back then they were only launched at night, at least overseas.
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                  I know, my brother lives in Lancaster.

                  They have been decommissioned for years.

                  Back then they were one of the most closely guarded planes in the military, if not thee closest.
                  I know, before they were decommissioned we use to always watch them all the time fly over us on Sierra Hwy near Edwards AFB. The pilots would dip their wings for the crowds. Did your brother ever talk to you about it?
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                    Originally Posted by myob View Post

                    I know, before they were decommissioned we use to always watch them all the time fly over us on Sierra Hwy near Edwards AFB. The pilots would dip their wings for the crowds. Did your brother ever talk to you about it?

                    No, my brother wouldn't know an SR71 from a Cessna...


                    I know they do a lot of experimental, hush, hush stuff up there.

                    I have been up there many times and have seen planes I personally didn't recognize...being escorted by fighters.

                    The real cool thing up there is the aircraft "graveyard" or storage, all wrapped in shrink wrap or something ...I think towards Rosamond, maybe Mojave?...it's been awhile.
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                  Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                  I know, my brother lives in Lancaster.

                  They have been decommissioned for years.

                  Back then they were one of the most closely guarded planes in the military, if not thee closest.


                  ps....back then they were only launched at night, at least overseas.
                  I'll also need more than a beer or two to drive to Lancaster.

                  People think Cali is so hip and trendsetting...Try driving 50 miles inland sometime.
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                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    I'll also need more than a beer or two to drive to Lancaster.

                    People think Cali is so hip and trendsetting...Try driving 50 miles inland sometime.

                    Yea the Hills Have Eye's and central Texas got nothing on some of those places in the Mojave and Death Valley areas.

                    I can survive on a beer or two if I'm passing thru...if I stop for any amount of time, I'm back on the 'hard stuff'...:p
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                      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                      Yea the Hills Have Eye's and central Texas got nothing on some of those places in the Mojave and Death Valley areas.

                      I can survive on a beer or two if I'm passing thru...if I stop for any amount of time, I'm back on the 'hard stuff'...:p
                      "I can survive on a beer or two if I'm passing thru..."

                      For me, that would be a handful of crack and a bottle of Jack...with a shot glass, as I have some class.

                      Hey...We're halfway home to having the most disturbing Dr. Seuss story of all time!
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                        ...We're halfway home to having the most disturbing Dr. Seuss story of all time!
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                        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
                          The kid needs to get a girlfriend.
                          The one thing that makes me think the whole Illuminati thing is a load of nonsense, is the name of Jesuit-taught founder of the Bavarian Illuminati:
                          Adam Weisshaupt.
                          Adam being the first man, and Weisshaupt meaning white head.
                          So, Adam Weisshaupt was the first man with the white(illuminated?)head.
                          Seems to fit a little bit to snug for me.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                        "I can survive on a beer or two if I'm passing thru..."

                        For me, that would be a handful of crack and a bottle of Jack...with a shot glass, as I have some class.

                        Hey...We're halfway home to having the most disturbing Dr. Seuss story of all time!
                        Damn ....Kurt you changed the spelling...I'll have you know you ruined a good joke about Zeus having a doctorate bestowed by the Illuminati...another time perhaps.

                        As it is I'll have to suffice with Hunter Thompson (who I believe was from up in your neck of the woods Kurt...)

                        "We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like 'I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive . . .' And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming, 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'"
                        We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug-collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
                        Sounds like desert travel to me. "We were somewhere around Barstow..." , ever been to Barstow?
                        It's a hoot...:p
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                        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                          The Illuminati is real.

                          I know this for a fact.

                          It was one of the worst cars Cheverlot ever made.







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                  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    I'll also need more than a beer or two to drive to Lancaster.

                    People think Cali is so hip and trendsetting...Try driving 50 miles inland sometime.
                    Hey, both Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart grew up in Lancaster (I'm sure bravo knows this already). Although they didn't stick around, of course. Still, might be something in the water there...
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by myob View Post

                Come on over to the Grand Lodge in Palmdale, CA. I'll buy ya a beer and show you two of 'em sittin right out in the open. Kids climb all over them now.
                I'd need a heck of a lot more than a beer or two to drive to Palmdale.
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              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              That is exactly correct Kurt, some of the military ones crack me up...you couldn't keep a ship full of people or a division quiet if you tried.


              PS they've been known to tilt a few too...

              I remember the first time I went to Korea in Osan.
              They gave us a half hour melodramatic speech about not talking about the U2's that were there (they are no longer secret..for the behind the times)
              anyway, two hours later I'm out in a bar in Osan a there are two mechanics at the bar, drunk as skunks...talking about how f'ed up the gauges are in the U2.

              Literal... true story...sometimes I really wish I had the half hour back...lol



              edit: one thing that 'they' didn't screw around with in those day's was the SR71.

              Under cover of darkness, guns drawn, gimme that efen camera..I never did get a picture ...lol

              Hey Jim...

              Reminds me of the mob's rule about not squealing. Funny thing is, in reality arrest one of them and they become the biggest squealers there are. They roll over faster than a ball on Pike's Peak.
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              • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Hey Jim...

                Reminds me of the mob's rule about not squealing. Funny thing is, in reality arrest one of them and they become the biggest squealers there are. They roll over faster than a ball on Pike's Peak.

                Yep, didn't used to be like that.

                That's what I mean, about generations of conspiracy, you can only go a few generations before somebody forgets why they are keeping their mouths shut.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I may be paranoid... but that doesnt mean people arent chasing me now does it?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I think Paul Myers and Steven Waggenhiem are the illuminatti... Its funny how you never really see Allen Says... maybe they ARE him! Come to think of it...you never really see any of them but Waggs ...Hmmm...Very fishy...

    Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

    John, did you hear about the paranoid with low self esteem?

    He felt no one was out to get him.
    SPLORF!

    Thats the kind of laugh that catches you off guard, and suddenly you have coffee coming out of your nose! Thanks!
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    big answer in this thread is very funny please read...........
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I think certainly some powerful groups like to create social groups where only a select few they feel are worthy should belong, I think that's just human nature, but some of the conspiracy theories regarding the Illuminati takes a whole leap of faith
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    There is SO an Illuminati. I joined that club myself and it was very hard to get into. We are very secretive. We have a secret handshake and everything. And we DO wreak havoc on TPTB when they don't stay in line. Why I've driven for a full hour to help TP and egg houses of officials who refuse to work toward our ends. Our members have NEVER outed other members when they were caught doing so.

    So be careful when you laugh at things.........ya just never know who's listening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      There is SO an Illuminati. I joined that club myself and it was very hard to get into. We are very secretive. We have a secret handshake and everything. And we DO wreak havoc on TPTB when they don't stay in line. Why I've driven for a full hour to help TP and egg houses of officials who refuse to work toward our ends. Our members have NEVER outed other members when they were caught doing so.

      So be careful when you laugh at things.........ya just never know who's listening.


      Do they know your spilling about the secret handshake?

      Be vewy vewy qwiet..I'm wooking fow scwewy Iwuminatti..
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Historically, the name refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.
    The U.S declared independency on July 4, 1776.
    There is no doubt they existed at some stage but I doubt they are still around today.
    Doesn't stop me from thinking there are some evil *******s behind the scenes pulling the strings though.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Historically, the name refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.
      The U.S declared independency on July 4, 1776.
      There is no doubt they existed at some stage but I doubt they are still around today.
      Doesn't stop me from thinking there are some evil *******s behind the scenes pulling the strings though.
      It was my understanding that it was a reunion of the Knights of Templar who escaped the slaugher. I also got the impression that what they existed for was not to rule the world but to guard religious secrets to reveal them when the time is right. Guess it depends on your perception of them whether you're worried about if they are still in existence. I have a real doubt that some of those dumb ****ing benighted thugs that are at the top now could really even qualify for any society which has a name that indicated spirituality and higher knowledge.
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        The story of the secretive yet powerful medieval Templars, especially their persecution and sudden dissolution, has been a tempting source for many other groups which have used alleged connections with the Templars as a way of enhancing their own image and mystery. There is no clear historical connection between the Knights Templar, which were dismantled in the 14th century, and any of these other organizations, of which the earliest emerged publicly in the 18th century. However, there is often public confusion and many overlook the 400-year gap. There are many self-styled orders.

        Knights Templar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Illuminati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        It was my understanding that it was a reunion of the Knights of Templar who escaped the slaugher. I also got the impression that what they existed for was not to rule the world but to guard religious secrets to reveal them when the time is right. Guess it depends on your perception of them whether you're worried about if they are still in existence. I have a real doubt that some of those dumb ****ing benighted thugs that are at the top now could really even qualify for any society which has a name that indicated spirituality and higher knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    There will always be groups dedicated to trying their best to control events on the planet and also making a hefty profit in the process.

    The modern day Illuminatti are????

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    The Illuminati is just a conspiracy spread by the manufacturers of tinfoil hats to increase their profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    The next time you see a person reading a book, magazine, or newspaper in public, carrying a suitcase or bag in public, or someone that just stares at you, be warned. These are illuminated people. WooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOooooooo (Cue X-Files music in background)
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  • Profile picture of the author mologic
    yeah of course there is an illuminati. bwahaha, haven't u played deus ex, they are going to turn us all into evolved JCDenton clones
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    If there is an Illuminati do any of their members:

    1) Take Lipitor like they tell us to take?
    2) Treat their loved ones with cancer with poisonous radiation like we're told to do?
    3) Eat the daily recommended dose of carbohydrates that the USDA recommends that are being pushed on us?
    4) Drink acidic water from disposable plastic bottles like we do?
    5) Have even one mercury filling in their mouths?
    6) Eat bacteria ladened meat glue steaks?

    Like it or not there are a huge numbers of people dying everyday from the above listed falsehoods being pushed on the public?

    Who is behind all this?

    It is almost as if whoever is in charge understands we are running out of oil and are doing there level best to kill off as many people as they can before it does run out.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      If there is an Illuminati do any of their members:

      1) Take Lipitor like they tell us to take?
      2) Treat their loved ones with cancer with poisonous radiation like we're told to do?
      3) Eat the daily recommended dose of carbohydrates that the USDA recommends that are being pushed on us?
      4) Drink acidic water from disposable plastic bottles like we do?
      5) Have even one mercury filling in their mouths?
      6) Eat bacteria ladened meat glue steaks?

      Like it or not there are a huge numbers of people dying everyday from the above listed falsehoods being pushed on the public?

      Who is behind all this?

      It is almost as if whoever is in charge understands we are running out of oil and are doing there level best to kill off as many people as they can before it does run out.

      Easy answer Matt - greedy people/companies. No conspiracy or secret - just greed, pure and simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      If there is an Illuminati do any of their members:

      1) Take Lipitor like they tell us to take?
      2) Treat their loved ones with cancer with poisonous radiation like we're told to do?
      3) Eat the daily recommended dose of carbohydrates that the USDA recommends that are being pushed on us?
      4) Drink acidic water from disposable plastic bottles like we do?
      5) Have even one mercury filling in their mouths?
      6) Eat bacteria ladened meat glue steaks?

      Like it or not there are a huge numbers of people dying everyday from the above listed falsehoods being pushed on the public?

      Who is behind all this?

      It is almost as if whoever is in charge understands we are running out of oil and are doing there level best to kill off as many people as they can before it does run out.
      Mike - we're in the middle of a major extinction and people don't "get" that. They are still having way over replacement numbers of kids even a time that we are looking at about 3 years out from a major population killing major event - I'm talking about the mix of deforestation mixed with desertification - and it's getting colder.

      Food reserves are gone. One global cold snap and you will see wars over food distribution. Several very widely used metals are endangered - forests are being cut at the rate of 25,000 trees per just sunday edition newspapers. Oil IS NOT endangered. Water is.

      Humans didn't realize fast enough that they are actually part of the ecosystems they inhabit. What happens in an ecosystem is that when supply is plentiful the dominant species proliferates = breeds to populations that it eats itself out of supplies and then either has to migrate or dies off. We have nowhere else for people to migrate to without pushing the new area over carrying capacity. We have consumed until we've caused shortages for animals, for plants -- and we've poisoned about everything we touch.

      You think not being able to cure cancer is a mistake or greed? Wrong answer - you think chemicals in food that cause infertility are a mistake? Wrong answer. In 2005 when nations got together over the Mellinium Doctrine, one of the main issues talked about was population control. The only reason they didn't adapt China's policy was because they figured people would revolt even if told it meant survival. So they are meeting again in September to try to figure out how they can fix enough damage fast enough and implement population control without people going berserk over being told they can't have their 3rd 4th, 5th, 6th kid. They are also looking at building sustainable cities, reforestation, erosion control (yes, we're even running out of soil). cleaning water, waste sustainability. It's a mess. It's enough of a mess to cause a major extinction.

      People are going to read this and think I'm stupid, wearing tinfoil or just plain bizarre -- let them. The only way we have left to survive is to know how to do it sustainably. And most people haven't a clue. They will continue to poison themselves and rely on medical/industrial complexes for answers.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Mike - we're in the middle of a major extinction and people don't "get" that. They are still having way over replacement numbers of kids even a time that we are looking at about 3 years out from a major population killing major event - I'm talking about the mix of deforestation mixed with desertification - and it's getting colder.

        Food reserves are gone. One global cold snap and you will see wars over food distribution. Several very widely used metals are endangered - forests are being cut at the rate of 25,000 trees per just sunday edition newspapers. Oil IS NOT endangered. Water is.

        Humans didn't realize fast enough that they are actually part of the ecosystems they inhabit. What happens in an ecosystem is that when supply is plentiful the dominant species proliferates = breeds to populations that it eats itself out of supplies and then either has to migrate or dies off. We have nowhere else for people to migrate to without pushing the new area over carrying capacity. We have consumed until we've caused shortages for animals, for plants -- and we've poisoned about everything we touch.

        You think not being able to cure cancer is a mistake or greed? Wrong answer - you think chemicals in food that cause infertility are a mistake? Wrong answer. In 2005 when nations got together over the Mellinium Doctrine, one of the main issues talked about was population control. The only reason they didn't adapt China's policy was because they figured people would revolt even if told it meant survival. So they are meeting again in September to try to figure out how they can fix enough damage fast enough and implement population control without people going berserk over being told they can't have their 3rd 4th, 5th, 6th kid. They are also looking at building sustainable cities, reforestation, erosion control (yes, we're even running out of soil). cleaning water, waste sustainability. It's a mess. It's enough of a mess to cause a major extinction.

        People are going to read this and think I'm stupid, wearing tinfoil or just plain bizarre -- let them. The only way we have left to survive is to know how to do it sustainably. And most people haven't a clue. They will continue to poison themselves and rely on medical/industrial complexes for answers.

        Sal,

        I was making a "tongue in cheek" remark on a marketing forum. It's hardly a full statement of all my beliefs, or education in all these issues.

        In other words...

        Lighten up
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          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Sal,

          I was making a "tongue in cheek" remark on a marketing forum. It's hardly a full statement of all my beliefs, or education in all these issues.

          In other words...

          Lighten up
          Um.........You didn't use a smilie - how was I supposed to know? :confused:

          Here I am researching forever and a day about what's being done to stop the crap we've done and how scientists are trying turn it around and come in here and see THAT without a smilie. I guess I'll make my next project on ESP. :p
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Um.........You didn't use a smilie - how was I supposed to know? :confused:

            Here I am researching forever and a day about what's being done to stop the crap we've done and how scientists are trying turn it around and come in here and see THAT without a smilie. I guess I'll make my next project on ESP. :p

            Gotcha.

            However, if you read through this thread you will see 95% of the comments are T-I-C. I was simply staying with the tone.
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          • Profile picture of the author bravo75
            Don't think your words of wisdom have fallen on deaf ears/eyes. I regularly read your posts. The amount of time and effort you put into them amaze me. Keep up the good work. Full of knowledge, yet so down to earth... Wish they had teachers like you when I was a kid.

            Such a shame, the mess we are in today. We have been sorely misled for eons by the fat greedy ****ers in power. Some people call them the Illuminati, I just call them greedy, power hungry *******s. Saying that, the average Joe soap isn't much better but most people are just sheep and do what they're told, so you can't really blame them for the mess.

            Just imagine if the Trillions of Dollars that are spent on wars were invested in actually doing some good in the world... It would be a life worth living.

            I, for one think it's about time that an ELE takes place and rid this planet of the vermin that is the human race... We never ****ing learn.






            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Um.........You didn't use a smilie - how was I supposed to know? :confused:

            Here I am researching forever and a day about what's being done to stop the crap we've done and how scientists are trying turn it around and come in here and see THAT without a smilie. I guess I'll make my next project on ESP. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Sal,

          I was making a "tongue in cheek" remark on a marketing forum. It's hardly a full statement of all my beliefs, or education in all these issues.

          In other words...

          Lighten up
          Maybe you just hit the nail on the head too hard to recognize any of it as being funny? (Hint - don't quit your day job to become a stand-up comedian.)
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Maybe you just hit the nail on the head too hard to recognize any of it as being funny? (Hint - don't quit your day job to become a stand-up comedian.)

            Let it go Sal... I did last night. You can be WAY too serious sometimes.

            And for the record, if I really believed I was funny I WOULD be a comedian
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        So they are meeting again in September to try to figure out how they can fix enough damage fast enough and implement population control without people going berserk over being told they can't have their 3rd 4th, 5th, 6th kid.

        The problem with playing God is everyone always picks someone else...

        Why not shoot everyone over 55? Of course this would only be a one-time thing, since I'm only 52 and I don't want any sacrifices to affect me personally, so I took the liberty of extending the age limit in Logan's Run to a point that doesn't affect me.

        Shooting people over 55 instead of limiting birth has its advantages. First, it isn't the younger generations that got us into this mess. Shooting old folks would also cure the social security problem we have...And more importantly, we need new births for our DNA to do its job and evolve to fight new disease and conditions.

        (No...I'm not really for shooting 55+ people. Just bringing up a point that it's always "not in my backyard" and everyone wants someone else to pay, never themselves.)

        BTW, the scientific community you used in your research is the same one that the National Academy of Science say 97% believe in human caused Global Warming/Climate Change...
        http://content.usatoday.com/communit...imate-change/1
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I know for a FACT that there is no such organization:

    6. They also try to recruit the best and the brightest young people as agents, to insure the next generation of the Conspiracy.

    If that were true, I would have been recruited.

    'Nuff said!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      I know for a FACT that there is no such organization:

      6. They also try to recruit the best and the brightest young people as agents, to insure the next generation of the Conspiracy.

      If that were true, I would have been recruited.

      'Nuff said!
      Congrats your in, you passed the test.

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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    There are more subtle methods than shooting, some sort of a pill, perhaps...lol
    Seriously though, there are 133 million births each year, or 247 births every minute, or four babies born every second.
    Maybe Thatcher was on to something when she introduced the poll tax. That would make people think twice about breeding like rabbits.

    I bet ya at least half of those 133 Million fall into the crack heads, alcoholic, meth heads, third world, having babies for immigration purposes, chronic unemployed category and shouldn't be having babies in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      There are more subtle methods than shooting, some sort of a pill, perhaps...lol
      Seriously though, there are 133 million births each year, or 247 births every minute, or four babies born every second.
      Maybe Thatcher was on to something when she introduced the poll tax. That would make people think twice about breeding like rabbits.

      I bet ya at least half of those 133 Million fall into the crack heads, alcoholic, meth heads, third world, having babies for immigration purposes, chronic unemployed category and shouldn't be having babies in the first place.
      Yep, birth rate is a problem. But so is playing God.

      The solution is education. It's proven that the higher the education of a society, the lower the birth rate.

      And I'd also get rid of finacial incentives for having more children.
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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        The solution is getting rid of the people in charge and channeling money into the proper directions, i.e education instead of spending Trillions of Dollars on useless wars and weapon technology. I know that sounds utopian but it's the truth.

        I agree 100% about your statement about financial incentives. That would make sense if we were underpopulated, which is hardly the case.

        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Yep, birth rate is a problem. But so is playing God.

        The solution is education. It's proven that the higher the education of a society, the lower the birth rate.

        And I'd also get rid of finacial incentives for having more children.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yep, birth rate is a problem. But so is playing God.

          The solution is education. It's proven that the higher the education of a society, the lower the birth rate.

          And I'd also get rid of finacial incentives for having more children.
          Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

          The solution is getting rid of the people in charge and channeling money into the proper directions, i.e education instead of spending Trillions of Dollars on useless wars and weapon technology. I know that sounds utopian but it's the truth.

          I agree 100% about your statement about financial incentives. That would make sense if we were underpopulated, which is hardly the case.

          Amen.

          But that would make too much sense
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Yep, birth rate is a problem. But so is playing God.

        The solution is education. It's proven that the higher the education of a society, the lower the birth rate.

        And I'd also get rid of finacial incentives for having more children.
        Kurt - exactly what the Milleneum doctrine outlines. As far as human population - they are trying to relieve poverty, educate and make contraceptives available. It has been noted that, globally, that is the most effective answer to the problem.

        We went too far and ignored the signals so we aren't going to be able to completely avoid Mom Nature's form of education - and it's not going to be pretty, but we'll be in a better position not to repeat the mistakes caused by greed and wastefulness for a long time. Incidentally - if you get a clue from some of you videos on how to build with large rock....we might need that info before long.
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    And of course as predicted the OP never commented.
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    It doesn't truly effect my life one way or the other at the moment. You take a look at the world around you...the immediate things. See if there is something good you can do for a family member, a friend, a neighbor...even the person down the street. Someone in your own community.

    Think of something good you can do, and do it. If there are master minds pulling strings, you won't be able to touch them...so touch what you can and effect change for the better where you can...and leave the rest up alone, or up to God.
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    I guess it would be easier to limit births rather than the global society and the power structure in every country doing the right thing etc.

    The Chinese leadership have told their people to slow their roll.

    Does Sal want to point out any other places that should force their people to slow their roll?? In her humble opinion.


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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I guess it would be easier to limit births rather than the global society and the power structure in every country doing the right thing etc.

      The Chinese leadership have told their people to slow their roll.

      Does Sal want to point out any other places that should force their people to slow their roll?? In her humble opinion.


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      Dude - the UN didn't feel easy about pointing fingers - you think I'd feel comfy doing that one? LMAO.

      I can tell you that they've started a lot of programs in Ethiopia and are making some good restoration progress there. Haiti is on the list because people couldn't afford oil so were stripping the forests to dangerous levels. There's several countries that are grossly overpopulated for what they can produce themselves.

      Making a decision on how to go about population control? Go for it if you want to. I stayed out of politics just so I wouldn't have to.

      Mike - I'm always serious. I'm never serious.

      Actually - I'm not a comedian either sooooo...........it's no more entertaining to read what I post when I'm just dead out jovial than the science news is. What can I say? We're just trying to keep things from degenerting back into "who is your favorite illuminati member and why." type threads.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        What can I say? We're just trying to keep things from degenerting back into "who is your favorite illuminati member and why." type threads.
        Sal, the people who start the those thread never come back it seems.

        Start a sig spam bait landing page, never come back to it and who's going to figure out you're the one that wrote the ebook about using the OT for the purpose.

        Btw, who is you favorite Illuminati secret meeting valet parking attendant?
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I guess it would be easier to limit births rather than the global society and the power structure in every country doing the right thing etc.

      The Chinese leadership have told their people to slow their roll.

      Does Sal want to point out any other places that should force their people to slow their roll?? In her humble opinion.


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      China is a totalitarian government, and I hate totalitarianism.

      And Sal, as far as a clue, I won't be building pyramids, as it's really a stupid, primiative way to build. As a matter of fact, I believe it was Julius Cesar or Mark Antony that when he "dated" Cleopatra, said he wasn't impressed by the pyramids and called them a waste of space and materials. I forget which one...But with more modern techniques and knowledge available, I agree.

      Speaking of clues...I guess you forgot my thread about "hobbit homes"? (hint hint..It may be a clue as to how I'd build in a "stuff hits the fan" scenario.)
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      I do agree with stripping the land of trees. It's doomed many a culture, including those on Easter Island.

      I see the biggest problem as a lack of fresh water, which is related to the problem of desertification. For example, the desert land between California and Nevada (and Utah/Arizona) is actually very fertile, it just lacks water.

      We know how to desalinate water. We can also pump oil across the entire state of Alaska, so we have the tech to get water to our deserts. And this could be done in a variety of areas around the globe. It's really a matter of cost and motivation.

      However, I'm very relunctant to force a totalitarian principle on anyone and if it comes down to it, I'll let Mother Nature do the selecting.

      BTW, I am trying to do something about the problem and not just talk about it. But am having other problems with so-called "partners". I can't do it by myself and everyone that's agreed to help me, hasn't helped. But I'll keep going...It's too important not to.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Bill - yeah, the OP was probably spamming -but apparently we don't always need an OP to keep an interesting topic going. As far as my favorite Illuminati parking valet -- It's got to be that one guy....can't remember his name. Things got real backed up at the last meeting and we got to talk though.........he had this mentor named Alister something...gee I wasn't really paying much attention, but he really was a cutie.

    Kurt - Forget about the Hobbit houses? For real? I've got that page on favorites, guy. If I get my choice of having a pyramid or a hobbit house, I'm not gonna chose rock - although I will probably decorate with many of them.

    As far as choices - I think it's best to let nature decide, too - it's the only way anyone will take anything seriously. I mean - it's not like we have some society of guardians with super knowledge ready to save us or anything..........
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    Originally Posted by Seanjtucker View Post

    What's your thoughts on this topic?
    Somebody has to be sitting at the top of the pyramid, tweaking the monetary valves. Henchmen below them, generals, commanders and suchlike.

    Illuminati is a pretty loose term though.

    Bilderbergers, CMR, G30, IMF, RWC, Trilateral Commission and the rest of them all in cahoots with one another...

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    Builderbergs aren't illuminati - they are just spoiled, narcissistic multi-billionare thugs
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