US orders news blackout over crippled Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Is it a Hoax?

bravo75

13 years ago

Looks like the U.S didn't build those Federal Emergency Management Agency camps for nothing after all.

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TLTheLiberator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Looks like the U.S didn't build those Federal Emergency Management Agency camps for nothing after all.

What camps??

TL
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HeySal

13 years ago

Thanks for the Post Patrician. It's a damn risky post - and it will disappear. Count on that one --- but the attempt to get the information through is commendable. And I'm sure you understand my prefered answer to this one - but for here and now:

Level 4 is not a comfortable term to hear when used in the same sentence as "nuclear" If I lived by Omaha, I wouldn't be real complacent right now. People need to know of imminent danger whether it ever gets to be a crisis or not.

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Bill Farnham

13 years ago

Well, with all the grain produced in that region don't be surprised if Wheaties comes out with a new "Glow In The Dark" cereal stressing the benefits of adding it to your diet. :rolleyes:

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

Well, with all the grain produced in that region don't be surprised if Wheaties comes out with a new "Glow In The Dark" cereal stressing the benefits of adding it to your diet. :rolleyes:

Yea, no kidding.

I can see it now... 20 foot , 700 lb linemen out of Nebraska...

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

It's hard to believe the media went along with the blackout on this subject, especially some news outlets.

What on earth kept them inline???

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HeySal 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

It's hard to believe the media went along with the blackout on this subject, especially some news outlets.

What on earth kept them inline???

TL

Paychecks from the corporations that own them. People need to study up on the difference between corporate news and a free press.
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- TLTheLiberator 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by HeySal
  
  Paychecks from the corporations that own them. People need to study up on the difference between corporate news and a free press.
  
  I still don't understand the motivation behind quashing this story.
  
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Patrician

13 years ago

OK - please keep to the FACTS - we are now bordering on the forbidden 'conspiracy theory' realm - whether it is true or not - GOOGLE IT

Please we do not want this thread nuked - NO pun intended.

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bravo75

13 years ago

What conspiracy?

Originally Posted by Patrician

OK - please keep to the FACTS - we are now bordering on the forbidden 'conspiracy theory' realm - whether it is true or not - GOOGLE IT

Please we do not want this thread nuked - NO pun intended.

fema camps - Google Search

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

OK - please keep to the FACTS - we are now bordering on the forbidden 'conspiracy theory' realm - whether it is true or not - GOOGLE IT

Please we do not want this thread nuked - NO pun intended.

fema camps - Google Search

I knew a guy who believed the football stadiums of America were built expressly for concentration camps.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

So you guys believe this horse**** too?

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Roaddog 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

So you guys believe this horse**** too?

Nope...

Pakistan/Russia trying to get even...lol

Another view/story

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bravo75

13 years ago

What are you guys talking about. These camps are fully staffed and in use. They were used during the Katrina disaster.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

If this were true whistle blowers would line the streets to blow the cap off of it. Whoever does will instantly have half the country on their side. Look at the fervor that was pitched over an unreleased birth certificate. There is no way something like this could be kept down for so long.

Next we will be getting our news releases from the Pravda and the National Inquirer. I'm sure we could pour through those publications and start a new thread for each article posted on them.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

If this were true whistle blowers would line the streets to blow the cap off of it. Whoever does will instantly have half the country on their side.

Look at the fervor that was pitched over an unreleased birth certificate. There is no way something like this could be kept down for so long.

Next we will be getting our news releases from the Pravda and the National Inquirer. I'm sure we could pour through those publications and start a new thread for each article posted on them.

I said earlier in this thread that I'm having a hard time believing the lid could be kept on a story like this one.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I said earlier in this thread that I'm having a hard time believing the lid could be kept on a story like this one.

TL

Especially with all the independent right wing reporters/authors on the warpath these days. I doubt Coulter would be afraid to dropping at least a tweet or two if she had gotten wind of this. Or even a single tweet from someone living close to the reactor.

I'm convinced that we now live in the day and age where NOTHING can be hidden from the public's attention.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Especially with all the independent right wing reporters/authors on the warpath these days. I doubt Coulter would be afraid to dropping at least a tweet or two if she had gotten wind of this. Or even a single tweet from someone living close to the reactor.

I'm convinced that we now live in the day and age where NOTHING can be hidden from the public's attention.

Hey, don't forget about the left-wing tree huggers.

I can't see how the cable stations wouldn't like to get at least a weeks worth of content out of this story knowing full well the story was BS all along - since they've done it on many occasions before.

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hardraysnight

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

If this were true whistle blowers would line the streets to blow the cap off of it. Whoever does will instantly have half the country on their side. Look at the fervor that was pitched over an unreleased birth certificate. There is no way something like this could be kept down for so long.

Next we will be getting our news releases from the Pravda and the National Inquirer. I'm sure we could pour through those publications and start a new thread for each article posted on them.

Where there is smoke, there is fire, no pun intended

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13 years ago

Sigh.
This old story has already been debunked many times.

I guess nobody here is very familiar with the 'source' of this so-called news story.

The Nation? Cmon people...really?

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Sigh.
This old story has already been debunked many times.

I guess nobody here is very familiar with the 'source' of this so-called news story.

The Nation? Cmon people...really?

I think it has more to do with sig files attention than anything else.

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ThomM 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I think it has more to do with sig files attention than anything else.

Would that be the people whos only link in their sig is to help Kim or the people with no sig at all?
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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Sigh.
This old story has already been debunked many times.

I guess nobody here is very familiar with the 'source' of this so-called news story.

The Nation? Cmon people...really?

You understand this "Nation" is a site/newspaper in Pakistan and not "The Nation" the American, super left-leaning weekly magazine right??

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Patrician

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Sigh.
This old story has already been debunked many times.

I guess nobody here is very familiar with the 'source' of this so-called news story.

The Nation? Cmon people...really?

Where are some links to debunking?

AND THEN TELL ME how you know the debunking stories are not 'red herrings' or 'paper tigers' being utilized to cover up the cover up???? oi?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

Where are some links to debunking?

AND THEN TELL ME how you know the debunking stories are not 'red herrings' or 'paper tigers' being utilized to cover up the cover up???? oi?

This 'story' was on Fark a few days ago.

Not going to dig up all the 'real' news stories about this, but I'll show you where you can find them all in one place.

FARK.com: (6308336) Russia wants everyone to know the U.S. government has ordered a total news blackout regarding crippled Nebraska nuclear power plant

Yes, you'll have to wade thru the 222 comments, most of which are in typical Fark garbage posts and nothing worth noting, but you'll find the info you need if you keep looking. (Just think of it like going thru the WSO area)

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13 years ago

Yes, familiar with both, particularly the fact that both are online versions of supermarket tabloid rags even tho they have very different agendas.

Just proves that you need to look both ways to avoid crazy.

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hardraysnight

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Yes, familiar with both, particularly the fact that both are online versions of supermarket tabloid rags even tho they have very different agendas.

Just proves that you need to look both ways to avoid crazy.

Remember nothing is real until it appears in Time magazine.

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HeySal

13 years ago

I'm not so sure about that. There are a lot of things we never hear about that could have very negative effects on us. Do you honestly believe you've heard everything about the Gulf spill now? That is an incident that was known worldwide, yet there are some facts about it that have not been allowed to be released.

Not sure about those sources - but there have been a lot of close calls that never got reported.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I'm not so sure about that. There are a lot of things we never hear about that could have very negative effects on us. Do you honestly believe you've heard everything about the Gulf spill now? That is an incident that was known worldwide, yet there are some facts about it that have not been allowed to be released.

Not sure about those sources - but there have been a lot of close calls that never got reported.

The biggest problem I have with conspiracy theories is that it assumes humans are cattle and that the conspiracy theorist alone is above the bovinal status.

Plus it caters to spawning and cultivating alarmist attitudes.

Life is meant to be enjoyed as a gift. Running around blaming lies on everyone one meets is counterproductive to that in my opinion.

But then again that may just be me being me.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

The biggest problem I have with conspiracy theories is that it assumes humans are cattle and that the conspiracy theorist alone is above the bovinal status.

Plus it caters to spawning and cultivating alarmist attitudes.

Life is meant to be enjoyed as a gift. Running around blaming lies on everyone one meets is counterproductive to that in my opinion.

But then again that may just be me being me.

That's kewl. My biggest peeve is slip programming that makes people open their mouths and yell "conspiracy theory" just because someone hits a keyword they are programmed to rail against.

My second biggest peeve is people's slip programming is so damned solid that they continue to yell "conspiracy theory" "tinfoil" way after the whole thing was proven that, yes some extremely rich powerful people had a plan.

The third runner up is people who think because others see patterns in events somehow have a less rewarding, interesting, or entertaining life than anyone else.

But - that might just be me being me, too.

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Patrician

13 years ago

Well, when I click the first link at Fark for the topic, it goes to the newstory I quoted at the top of this thread.

It is still kind of strange that the article was in Google News - I would really think Google would know if it was a farce and not print it.

Note WAS because it is not there now. How the hell did I get there?

That's where I was and only linked off to informationweek.com let me check that.... (Not there either) WTF????

Bottom line - if you want to know the truth about anything, you will find it in the Warrior Off Topic forum!

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seasoned

13 years ago

Yeah, I doubt it. Considering that a nuclear disaster may be an ahem... OK, I won't say it. I would say WHY, but maybe it would be considered political. 8-(

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Kay King 13 years ago

There's stuff online about this nuclear problem that was posted 8 hours ago.

In fact, there was into about these plants on the news stations today as well.

Of course, anyone who prefers the "blackout" version can find a page of google results claiming that as well. I guess you get to pick your poison on this story

http://www.9news.com/news/world/2046...ar-safety-risk
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Patrician

13 years ago

Kay - you aren't around much but I have been thinking about you all day and imagining you saying 'do the math' or 'you should always research before you post' - and I admit feeling a bit stupid.

Lo and Behold - and OMG - here you are with some research in hand.

I admit to being either too busy or too lazy and I guess I just wait 'for the other shoe to drop' -

I worried about the black helicopter that hovered over this complex half the day flying out on the bay and then back and hovering again - still no idea what that was about -

(I try not to run outside to see as whoever they might be watching may take me as a hostage)

... but literally something has to be that close for me to pay actual serious attention.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

This whole thing about calling everything a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy.

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13 years ago

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ThomM

13 years ago

The biggest problem I have with conspiracy theories is that it assumes humans are cattle and that the conspiracy theorist alone is above the bovinal status.

That annoys the crap out of me.
I don't understand why someone would think calling me names (sheeple) and insulting my intelligence will win me over to their side:confused:
Most times I was already on their side, until they start with that crap.
If you have a conspiracy explain what it is and present the evidence, leave the name calling and insults home.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

OK - please keep to the FACTS - we are now bordering on the forbidden 'conspiracy theory' realm - whether it is true or not - GOOGLE IT

Please we do not want this thread nuked - NO pun intended.

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Originally Posted by Patrician

Where are some links to debunking?

AND THEN TELL ME how you know the debunking stories are not 'red herrings' or 'paper tigers' being utilized to cover up the cover up???? oi?

Now THAT'S funny.

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bravo75

13 years ago

Which part?

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Now THAT'S funny.

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Kay King

13 years ago

Kay - you aren't around much but I have been thinking about you all day and imagining you saying 'do the math' or 'you should always research before you post' - and I admit feeling a bit stupid.

No - no reason you shouldn't believe what you read...and that's what those folks count on. There are a LOT of sites (mostly blogs) claiming this same "blackout".

What I had a problem with initially was that we would have this news from Russian sources by way of Pakistan - I couldn't buy that.

Let's face it - on both sides of this issue the biggie is the fear that lingers over the Japanese nuclear problems. That has provided a vehicle for the pro-nuclear and anti-nuclear sides and they are riding it to death. Add in bloggers looking for any way to ride a trend for traffic...and there you go. I'm sure many people fully believed this "blackout info" and probably will continue to think it's a fact. It's possible the truth is in between if official "agencies" have been told not to comment on this issue.

Funniest thing I found was the one young blogger who has managed to get a top search spot for BOTH sides of the issue. Now that's a marketer dude!

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HeySal

13 years ago

This particular issue is really very easy to clear up, too. All it will take is someone that lives in the area that owns a Geiger counter to walk around for awhile looking for radiation. A lot of rockhounds own one and they can be rented as well. So if people in that area are freakin' over whether they are being irradiated or not -- all they have to do is walk around and find out.

That is why I think this may be a hoax. I'm not hearing a word about anyone just checking out the landscape. Doesn't make sense to me. If someone told me I was being slowly nuked, I'd sure wanna find out for sure and avoid going where the radiation is.

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Kay King 13 years ago

Airspace Over Flooded Nebraska Nuclear Power Plant Still Closed

Something like that (closed airspace) could be the source of the rumor. I was surprised to learn air space over nuclear plants is not closed at all times.
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Patrician

13 years ago

While the article Kay posted that quoted actual people from Nebraska and the plant manager made me feel like this was the truth, having worked for an oil refinery I know they have people to 'spin' incidents like this to the media (naturally to avoid mass hysteria).

On the one hand I believe it and on the other I always wonder.

Another example is we definitely had a dangerous incident one day in the inspection laboratory where they test the oil and etc. by burning it at different temps, etc. The chemists and inspectors all have 'hoods' over their stations that get the smoke out, as well as a ventilation system for the whole lab that supposedly gets rid of anything else in the air.

They needed to clean the air ducts and since it was a 24 hour shop, they didn't bother to have anyone leave when they had workers sandblast all the air ducts.

A heavy rain of particles, vapors, etc came down on everyone - leaving a powdery residue on everything.

24 hours after the fact they had the industrial hygenists in there doing tests on the air - (ok lots of stuff settles after 24 hours, eh?) The air was perfect! These were the results published and official. No arguments. Indefensible.

One chemist had seizures that were so serious she was permanently disabled - but after years in court it was deemed that she had some pre-disposition that must have caused it. (the difference between 'disability' and 'workers compensation' which is almost impossible to get)... and not to mention the difference between a lawyer she could afford and the ones the oil company had...

sorry off topic sorta.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

As much as nuclear power might be the future energy source for mankind, it is just too dangerous these days to be worth it if something awful happens

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Kay King 13 years ago

On the one hand I believe it and on the other I always wonder.

That's human nature, Pat. It's the same thinking that sells WSOs and make money products to the same people day after day. "I know this is probably not true but what if it is".

It's the same thing that makes us pause to wonder "what if" it's true - "what if" we're being lied to, etc. Our logic tells us "this is not right" but there's this little bit of fear or excitement saying "but what if that's true".

One thing is always true. After any kind of big storm or natural disaster, there will be predictions of "another one" for months in spite of any evidence to the contrary. Any news event on the same topic will be sensationalized. Happens every time.

When the new stories fail to provide the "ah-ha" factor, the clamor eventually begins to die off. The subject disappears from view - until the next disaster catches us "by surprise".

I think it's smart not to trust one side or the other when it comes to something like this - the truth is usually somewhere in between.

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Bill Farnham 13 years ago

Originally Posted by dagaul101

As much as nuclear power might be the future energy source for mankind, it is just too dangerous these days to be worth it if something awful happens

I wonder if we should take comfort in knowing that most of the parts that make up nuclear power plants were built by the lowest bidder. :rolleyes:
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- ThomM 13 years ago
  
  Speaking of power plants.
  They just had a story on the news that the employes of the Yankee Nuclear power plant are suing the state because the state wants to shut it down next year. They say they will deprived of their civil liberties if the plant is closed.
  7 Vt Yankee nuke workers sue state over job threat
  The thing is this plant went online in 1961 and was only supposed to be used for around 6 years. It was the third nuclear power plant built in the nation.
  Yankee Nuclear Power Plant
  
  I've been there a few times at the lake and it was pretty neat, but I don't really feel that comfortable with a 50 year old 'temporary' nuclear power plant operating just 49 miles from my house.
  
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HeySal

13 years ago

So what you are saying is that people are fighting for the right to melt down? Kewl.

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ThomM 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

So what you are saying is that people are fighting for the right to melt down? Kewl.

Yep as long as they can keep their jobs it seems they think it's ok.
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- Kay King 13 years ago
  
  More proof that jobs are hard to come by.
  
  It's a mindset we have that's too common. We build quality plants and buildings, roads and bridges - but totally fail to upgrade and maintain them. We know what "life expectancy" is but ignore the necessity to build a replacement by the time the "life" runs out.
  
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Patrician

13 years ago

... and the plot thickens.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/sc...th/27nuke.html

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Doug

13 years ago

I live in Bismarck, ND - there is yet to be a whole bunch of water headed straight down the Missouri, and I do mean a whole bunch...

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Patrician

13 years ago

Yes Doug - Is it the Souris? Record breaking - 1881 - stay safe...

1,561.72: Souris crest sets record four feet higher - MinotDailyNews.com | News, sports, business, jobs - Minot Daily News

A sigh of relief (sort of) on the nuclear plants

Regulator signs off on threatened nuclear plant | Reuters

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Kay King 13 years ago

I think the point of the news on the nuclear plants mentioned here is not "near disaster" - it's "crisis managed".

That's a good thing.:p
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