Asteroid on Monday to miss earth huh? Then why...

15 years ago

What military movement? The article doesn't mention any and doesn't specify.

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flowbee77

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

What military movement? The article doesn't mention any and doesn't specify.

Sorry about that Tina, I copied the wrong URL article. I can't find the original on my history. It made references to several documents from military personnel "worried" about the asteroid.

In any case, it make you think about. Maybe I am just being paranoid but there does seem to be a lot of planned "non events" this weekend.

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hardraysnight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by flowbee77

Sorry about that Tina, I copied the wrong URL article. I can't find the original on my history. It made references to several documents from military personnel "worried" about the asteroid.

In any case, it make you think about. Maybe I am just being paranoid but there does seem to be a lot of planned "non events" this weekend.

Is this an international event?

Or just one country acting alone?

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Bill Farnham

15 years ago

Here's a better article without the stupid political pop up ad...

When Asteroid '2011 MD' Zips Past Earth : Animation : Discovery News

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synergyxtr

15 years ago

i guess this is just another hoax

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HeySal

15 years ago

As close as it's supposed to come, I wouldn't doubt they're ready to call out troops just in case. Even if it didn't hit earth, it could knock out a satellite or two. If their calculations aren't correct, it could hit or a chunk could come loose and hit. I didn't read the articles all that well, but didn't see a hint of what size it is. Just because it's an asteroid doesn't mean it's huge. Asteroid is just a type of object, not the size.

Looks like for most of it's pass it will be over ocean rather land? If so troops would be more likely to be engaged along coastlines - but not close enough to get dowsed themselves.

It doesn't look like I'll get to see it at any rate. Nuts.

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g4r3th

15 years ago

Can we get Bruce Willis on standby just in case.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by flowbee77

Sorry about that Tina, I copied the wrong URL article. I can't find the original on my history. It made references to several documents from military personnel "worried" about the asteroid.

In any case, it make you think about. Maybe I am just being paranoid but there does seem to be a lot of planned "non events" this weekend.

Originally Posted by HeySal

As close as it's supposed to come, I wouldn't doubt they're ready to call out troops just in case. Even if it didn't hit earth, it could knock out a satellite or two. If their calculations aren't correct, it could hit or a chunk could come loose and hit. I didn't read the articles all that well, but didn't see a hint of what size it is. Just because it's an asteroid doesn't mean it's huge. Asteroid is just a type of object, not the size.

From what I understand, it's actually passing closer to Earth than many of the satellites in orbit. This by itself could be a big problem for many, icnluding the military and communications.

All I can say is I better not lose my cable TV!

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Bill Farnham

15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

If their calculations aren't correct, it could hit or a chunk could come loose and hit. I didn't read the articles all that well, but didn't see a hint of what size it is. Just because it's an asteroid doesn't mean it's huge. Asteroid is just a type of object, not the size.

Given that the earth is traveling in the direction of the intercept at 100,000 km/ph and the miss is calculated to be 12,000 km, a miscalculation of 7 minutes 30 seconds on the 'late' side would mean the asteroid will impact the Earth as opposed to missing it.

The asteroid is the size of a house.

Assuming this is not a hoax, the real takeaway here is that the asteroid was only spotted on Wednesday which is a mere 5 days before the projected intersection of the two celestial paths. That's a little close for comfort.

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Patrician

15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I didn't read the articles all that well, but didn't see a hint of what size it is. Just because it's an asteroid doesn't mean it's huge. Asteroid is just a type of object, not the size.

"According to the Minor Planet Center at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Asteroid 2011 MD--a hunk of rock estimated to be anywhere from 25 to 55 feet wide-is going to buzz the Earth this Monday at a distance of less than 8,000 miles above the surface of the planet. It's a close call, one that puts the asteroid closer to the Earth than the global positioning satellites that orbit it, but don't start running into the underground bunker just yet: We'll be fine."

Small Asteroid to Give Earth a Close Shave Monday | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

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flowbee77

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

"According to the Minor Planet Center at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Asteroid 2011 MD--a hunk of rock estimated to be anywhere from 25 to 55 feet wide-is going to buzz the Earth this Monday at a distance of less than 8,000 miles above the surface of the planet. It's a close call, one that puts the asteroid closer to the Earth than the global positioning satellites that orbit it, but don't start running into the underground bunker just yet: We'll be fine."

Small Asteroid to Give Earth a Close Shave Monday | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

Still Patricia, this is very scary and I can see why the govt is worried.
Also, I would not expect the government to inform us anyway (in fact I think they would actually lie) as it would cause mass panic.

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bravo75

15 years ago

What kind of damage would a meteor that size cause if it hit the ocean?

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

What kind of damage would a meteor that size cause if it hit the ocean?

I'm not sure, but it would be catastrophic, likely causing a mega tsunami. In many ways hitting an ocean would be worse than hitting land. And since the Earth is 70% covered by water, there's a 70% chance an asteroid would hit water.

It sounds like this asteroid is about the same size as the one that caused the Tunguska event in Siberia.

Tunguska event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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mattlaclear

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I'm not sure, but it would be catastrophic, likely causing a mega tsunami. In many ways hitting an ocean would be worse than hitting land. And since the Earth is 70% covered by water, there's a 70% chance an asteroid would hit water.

It sounds like this asteroid is about the same size as the one that caused the Tunguska event in Siberia.

Tunguska event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No way...this one is the size of a bus and if it did strike the Earth it would only disintegrate before it actually hit. At least according to the stories on Foxnews.com.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

No way...this one is the size of a bus and if it did strike the Earth it would only disintegrate before it actually hit. At least according to the stories on Foxnews.com.

You need to read ALL my comments on this thread. The premise was it was the size of a bus WHEN it hit the earth, not its original size. And this fact was what I based my comments on.

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bravo75

15 years ago

Effects of a meteor the size of a bus hitting our atmosphere:

Atmospheric Entry

The projectile begins to breakup at an altitude of 73700 meters = 242000 ft
The projectile bursts into a cloud of fragments at an altitude of 37900 meters = 124000 ft.
The residual velocity of the projectile fragments after the burst is 8.3 km/s = 5.15 miles/s.
The energy of the airburst is 2.48 x 10^13 Joules = 0.59 x 10^-2 MegaTons.
No crater is formed, although large fragments may strike the surface.

Tsunami

The impact-generated tsunami wave arrives approximately Infinity hours after impact.
Tsunami wave amplitude is less than 10 cm at your location 300 miles away.

Air Blast

The air blast will arrive approximately 15.3 minutes after impact.
Peak Overpressure: 2.98 Pa = 2.98E-05 bars = 0.000424 psi
Max wind velocity: 0.00703 m/s = 0.0157 mph
Sound Intensity: 9 dB (Barely Audible)

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No way...this one is the size of a bus and if it did strike the Earth it would only disintegrate before it actually hit. At least according to the stories on Foxnews.com.

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mattlaclear

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Effects of a meteor the size of a bus hitting our atmosphere:

Atmospheric Entry

The projectile begins to breakup at an altitude of 73700 meters = 242000 ft
The projectile bursts into a cloud of fragments at an altitude of 37900 meters = 124000 ft.
The residual velocity of the projectile fragments after the burst is 8.3 km/s = 5.15 miles/s.
The energy of the airburst is 2.48 x 10^13 Joules = 0.59 x 10^-2 MegaTons.
No crater is formed, although large fragments may strike the surface.

Tsunami

The impact-generated tsunami wave arrives approximately Infinity hours after impact.
Tsunami wave amplitude is less than 10 cm at your location 300 miles away.

Air Blast

The air blast will arrive approximately 15.3 minutes after impact.
Peak Overpressure: 2.98 Pa = 2.98E-05 bars = 0.000424 psi
Max wind velocity: 0.00703 m/s = 0.0157 mph
Sound Intensity: 9 dB (Barely Audible)

I take back what I said. If you are larger than 10 cm's the effect would be negligible. But an ant standing on a shoreline 299 miles away would be toast!

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myob 15 years ago

The energy contained in even small objects at high velocity is enormous. We have seen some such effects during hurricanes and tornados with small objects doing major damage. An asteroid that size contains much larger kinetic energy built up which would be released, like several million nuclear weapons detonating simultaneously.
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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

What kind of damage would a meteor that size cause if it hit the ocean?

This was the original question of which Kurt and I were responding to.
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- mattlaclear 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by myob
  
  This was the original question of which Kurt and I were responding to.
  
  If it skipped the atmosphere and automatically hit the ocean yeah. But that atmosphere is there for a very good reason.
  
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  Originally Posted by mattlaclear
  
  If it skipped the atmosphere and automatically hit the ocean yeah. But that atmosphere is there for a very good reason.
  
  So now, that begs the question. What would be the original size of the asteroid before it entered the atmosphere?
  
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Dave Patterson

15 years ago

Ahhh....hell with it. ASTEROID PARTY AT FARNHAMS!!!

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Bill Farnham 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Ahhh....hell with it. ASTEROID PARTY AT FARNHAMS!!!

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flowbee77 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Ahhh....hell with it. ASTEROID PARTY AT FARNHAMS!!!

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I like the idea!
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- mydream247 15 years ago
  
  Please don't go on the news, start a website Asteroid survival dot com and get people to pay you money to pick where the Asteroid will land.
  
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Fernando Veloso

15 years ago

Asteroid approaching earth??? Let me just get my time machine for a second...

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bravo75

15 years ago

Hope it lands on Ahmadinejad's head.

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HeySal

15 years ago

From that one website that someone had posted that showed the course of the thing it looks like it would hit water.

I'm sure whether it hits or not it's going to be good for temporary electrical glitches.

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bravo75

15 years ago

Here's that link again, in case anyone is interested.

Originally Posted by HeySal

From that one website that someone had posted that showed the course of the thing it looks like it would hit water.

I'm sure whether it hits or not it's going to be good for temporary electrical glitches.

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flowbee77

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Here's that link again, in case anyone is interested.

Scary scary scary.....

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bravo75

15 years ago

Not really. If this thing the size of a house or a bus does hit the ocean and you live within a 100 km radius you will witness a unimaginable tsunami of never seen before proportions; a whopping 10 cm and a mega wind storm of 2.7 mph. Better gather your tomato plants and run to the hills.
Actually, wasn't this thing supposed to hit today?

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Scary scary scary.....

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

I hope somebody films the passing and puts it on the news. That would be
really cool to watch as I don't have a telescope.
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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Not really. If this thing the size of a house or a bus does hit the ocean and you live within a 100 km radius you will witness a unimaginable tsunami of never seen before proportions; a whopping 10 cm and a mega wind storm of 2.7 mph. Better gather your tomato plants and run to the hills.
Actually, wasn't this thing supposed to hit today?

Totally wrong. If an asteroid of this size did actually hit the Earth, it would be devastating. I really suggest you read the link I posted above for a similar impact. You'll find that "impact" (it exploded before it hit the Earth) was equal to about 1000 Hiroshima nukes.

I'll repost the link for your convenience:
Tunguska event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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bravo75

15 years ago

If an asteroid that size hit our atmosphere, there wouldn't be much left of it at impact.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Totally wrong. If an asteroid of this size did actually hit the Earth, it would be devastating. I really suggest you read the link I posted above for a similar impact. You'll find that "impact" (it exploded before it hit the Earth) was equal to about 1000 Hiroshima nukes.

I'll repost the link for your convenience:
Tunguska event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Kurt 15 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

What kind of damage would a meteor that size cause if it hit the ocean?

Originally Posted by bravo75

If an asteroid that size hit our atmosphere, there wouldn't be much left of it at impact.

You didn't ask if it hit the atmosphere, you asked if a meteor that size hit the ocean. It's really not fair to change the criteria mid-conversation.
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- bravo75 15 years ago
  
  Didn't mean to confuse. I meant if an asteroid the size of a bus came hurtling towards us, there wouldn't be all that much left of it after passing through the atmosphere.
  You are bang on though, if an asteroid the size of a house or a school bus hit the ocean... game over.
  
  Originally Posted by Kurt
  
  You didn't ask if it hit the atmosphere, you asked if a meteor that size hit the ocean. It's really not fair to change the criteria mid-conversation.
  
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Roaddog

15 years ago

Well, that was a non event, passed by about a half hour ago.

Didn't even knock a glass over....

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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

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Doomsday - Asteroid Apophis Could Strike Earth in 2036
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- Roaddog 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by myob
  
  Doomsday - Asteroid Apophis Could Strike Earth in 2036
  
  Got to love the media. The story says 900 yards across and they put up an illustration of something the size of Greenland.
  
  That's Russian scientist math, their just still mad about that Berlin Wall thingy and losing the Cold War...
  
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  It all depends on how scientists react to Adophis' first approach in 2012 and again in 2029. If the asteroid passes within a "keyhole", within these crucial times the path will indeed be perturbed just right so that it will come back and smack Earth on April 13, 2036. That will be very unlucky for us all.
  
  And hey, if you're not selling books on this kind of stuff, you're missing out on some never-ending profits. Telescopes are good-sellers too. :p
  
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- bravo75 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by myob
  
  Doomsday - Asteroid Apophis Could Strike Earth in 2036
  
  If you live 200 miles away from impact, this is what would happen:
  
  Atmospheric Entry
  
  The projectile begins to breakup at an altitude of 14200 meters = 46500 ft
  The projectile reaches the ground in a broken condition. The mass of projectile strikes the surface at velocity 17 km/s = 10.5 miles/s | 61,200 kmh / 37,800 mph
  The impact energy is 4.39 x 10^20 Joules = 1.05 x 10^5 MegaTons.
  The broken projectile fragments strike the ground in an ellipse of dimension 1.31 km by 0.924 km
  
  Energy
  
  before atmospheric entry: 4.41 x 10^20 Joules = 1.05 x 10^5 MegaTons TNT
  
  The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth during the last 4 billion years is 8.1 x 10^5 years
  
  Global damages
  
  The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
  The impact does not make a noticeable change in the tilt of Earth's axis (< 5 hundredths of a degree).
  The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.
  
  Crater dimensions
  
  The crater opened in the water has a diameter of 21.5 km ( = 13.4 miles ).
  For the crater formed in the seafloor:
  Crater shape is normal in spite of atmospheric crushing; fragments are not significantly dispersed.
  Transient Crater Diameter: 12.3 km ( = 7.63 miles )
  Transient Crater Depth: 4.35 km ( = 2.7 miles )
  Final Crater Diameter: 17.1 km ( = 10.6 miles )
  Final Crater Depth: 696 meters ( = 2280 feet )
  The crater formed is a complex crater.
  The volume of the target melted or vaporized is 2.03 km^3 ( = 0.486 miles^3 )
  Roughly half the melt remains in the crater, where its average thickness is 17.1 meters ( = 56 feet ).
  
  Time for maximum radiation: 896 milliseconds after impact
  Visible fireball radius: 12.1 km ( = 7.49 miles )
  The fireball appears 13.7 times larger than the sun
  Thermal Exposure: 3.87 x 10^6 Joules/m^2
  Duration of Irradiation: 3.29 minutes
  Radiant flux (relative to the sun): 19.6 (Flux from a burner on full at a distance of 10 cm)
  
  Thermal radiation
  
  Effects of Thermal Radiation:
  Much of the body suffers third degree burns.
  Newspaper ignites.
  Deciduous trees ignite.
  Grass ignites.
  
  Seismic effects
  
  The major seismic shaking will arrive approximately 40 seconds after impact.
  Richter Scale Magnitude: 7.9
  Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 200 km:
  
  Felt by all, many frightened. Some heavy furniture moved; a few instances of fallen plaster. Damage slight.
  
  Damage negligible in buildings of good design and construction; slight to moderate in well-built ordinary structures; considerable damage in poorly built or badly designed structures; some chimneys broken.
  
  Airblast
  
  The air blast will arrive approximately 10.1 minutes after impact.
  Peak Overpressure: 36300 Pa = 0.363 bars = 5.15 psi
  Max wind velocity: 74.7 m/s = 167 mph
  Sound Intensity: 91 dB (May cause ear pain)
  
  Damage Description:
  Wood frame buildings will almost completely collapse.
  Glass windows will shatter.
  Up to 90 percent of trees blown down; remainder stripped of branches and leaves.
  
  Tsunami
  
  The impact-generated tsunami wave arrives approximately 43.5 minutes after impact.
  Tsunami wave amplitude is between: 32.3 meters ( = 106 feet) and 64.6 meters ( = 212 feet).
  
  Impact: Earth!
  
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Fernando Veloso

15 years ago

Should I bring my tomato plants in, just in case?

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HeySal

15 years ago

I think for the sizes of objects like the one that just went through and a little bigger - the ground actually muffles part of the effect and if they explode in the air it is worse. Not sure.

If the object is big enough, it really doesn't matter if it hits or explodes.

And as with anything else - if it either explodes above or hits land, it will probably affect alot of people because we're all over the freaking place. We panick over earthquakes and live on faullt lines. We panick over tsunamis and strip coastlines and live there. We panick over floods and are swarming like ants over floodplanes. There's just a hell of a lot of people TO panick these days. The good news is we've fried a lot of landmass into desertification so if anything lands on a lot of the land, it's just gonna hit sand and dust. - Got a dust mask?

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Patrician

15 years ago

What NASA says is it 'burns up' before hitting.

At any rate, it's done as far as 'impact' - it was 6:30 EDT it was to 'hit' - and it is now 11:13 pm EDT

We are still here, no?

The thing about this is it could impact the weather or other things in the months to come - I am still harping (no pun) on all the disasters and catastrophes that happened after the astroid 'shower' we had during the eclipse around January 2011. Including Japan's earthquake/tsunami/nuclear and an extremely violent, record-breaking tornado season, floods, etc.

... so we are safe for now anyway.

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15 years ago

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Kay King 15 years ago

Ok - can we agree it didn't happen?

Good - now on to the next dire prediction...what is the next one, anyway?
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- myob 15 years ago
  
  LOL! The media sees one every now and then makes it a big deal. Actually this happens several times a week.
  
  Asteroid Close Calls Happen All the Time : Discovery News
  
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- HeySal 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Ok - can we agree it didn't happen?
  
  Good - now on to the next dire prediction...what is the next one, anyway?
  
  Kay - it did happen, and it happened just like the scientists predicted - it passed by close to earth. If you have a telescope and lived where you could watch it, it was probably a pretty neat event to see.
  
  New predictions? We're going to have thundershowers this afternoon. Does that count? I also heard the news person say that there will be snow somewhere, but I wasn't watching the TV so didn't catch where that's happening. I do remember snow once on 4th of July when I lived in Empire, CO. we lived through it last time. It hasn't happened in awhile though so maybe we can use that one. We're all gonna FREEZE to death.
  
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Patrician

15 years ago

We got EGOS in this place that would dwarf any asteroid.

They Nit Pick over every connotation and syllable.

It's not that A or B is wrong, it is that A or B is an idiot because they may or may not be EXACTLY right.

This is an ongoing threat to national security.

If we had one event or non-event that did not generate a conflict,

it WOULD BE a MIRACLE!

(Get a clue - learn how to 'agree to disagree' without being NASTY - for the sake of unity)...

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Bill Farnham 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

We got EGOS in this place that would dwarf any asteroid.

It should be "We've got"...

What did you do? Skip second grade or something?

Unbelievable!
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TLTheLiberator

15 years ago

More close calls!!

YouTube - ‪MISSED IT BY THAT MUCH - a...

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Patrician

15 years ago

haaaaaaahhhhhahahahahaa

aaaahhhahahahaaa

don't forget to laugh

(if you do KJ will remind you how)

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Patrician

15 years ago

It's raining here! Yes!

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bravo75

15 years ago

Never mind those pesky little sand grains. NASA has it covered.

YouTube - ‪'NASA Employee Emergency...

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Sunfyre7896

15 years ago

Well it's Tuesday. I'm still here and there is no panic or mobilization. Proving once again, all of this craziness about things hitting the fan, so to speak, are false. Now, I've heard something about an asteroid going between the Earth and the moon, but that was months ago. Was this another one? Anyway, it was close in the grand scheme, but not close really as nothing was altered whatsoever.