I WANT TO QUIT IM, NEVER CAME BACK

12 years ago

I am 17, started IM this year and made a total of $7k so far. I am pretty sure you are doing it wrong. think different and you don't need websites

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Scott B 12 years ago

Very sorry that IM hasn't worked out better for you.

On a different note, congratulations to this guy...way to go!

Originally Posted by KLaAz0r

I am 17, started IM this year and made a total of $7k so far. I am pretty sure you are doing it wrong. think different and you don't need websites
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Usmile 12 years ago

Maybe you are doing it wrong, try to look back your strategies. Many internet marketers failed in their adventure but never give up! Look for other motivation. Internet marketing is not worthy to give up.!
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dcristo

12 years ago

Work harder.

Sorry, were you looking for sympathy? Well, you're not getting any from me.

You create your own luck in life. If you stop feeling sorry for yourself, may be you will be lucky too.

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you don't need websites

That's pretty terrible advice. It's MUCH easier making money with a website.

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Spyder77

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

Work harder.

Sorry, were you looking for sympathy? Well, you're not getting any from me.

You create your own luck in life. If you stop feeling sorry for yourself, may be you will be lucky too.

Old school tough love

Harsh but true. No surer recipe for failure than admitting defeat and simply laying blame everywhere it can be put - save for one particular place.

Clearly you are doing something wrong. My feeling in reading your post is you try something out, expect the instant results that a lot of products promise (with weasel words that give them an out while allowing them to set very unrealistic expectations), then dump it and start from scratch all over with the a new get rick today scheme (sorry, "offer") while expecting a different result.

While there are handful of IMers that could turn sawdust into gold, because they're naturals who possess all the right innate talent and skills, most of us are maybe decent to excellent in one particular area while weak to varying degrees in at least one, or several other areas. I would say my best skill is writing, and my worst, graphic design.

Were any of my efforts to incorporate any degree of graphic design in their business model, I'd not only fail out of the gate, but continue failing until I recognized that limitation. And its not something I can learn: I don't have any aptitude there, period. So I work around it by excluding it from my strategy and using only art that I have rights (within their limitations) to use, and stuff in the public domain that has no commercial or redistribution limitations.

You can quit, or you can do drill it down with an honest self-appraisal of everything IM related and where you stand with regards to skills in each area, and then go from there. Focus on whatever your strength is, and how you can work around your weaknesses. Then plan around that, figure out the IM area its best suited toward, and stick with one strategy (fine tune it as you go).

Or decide this isn't for you and move onto something else.

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Steven Wagenheim

12 years ago

Marketing is all about communication and your English is HORRIBLE. I'm not
surprised that you're not having any success if the pages you put up are
as terribly written as your post. And if you're not communicating (putting up
good content) and just trying to sell, forget it...it's not going to happen.

Plus, your attitude stinks.

You're right, IM is not for you and you should go and do something else with
your life.

Nobody here is going to feel sorry for you, least of all me.

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Kay King 12 years ago

If you want to quit - you quit. No need to post about it several places.

Working online is a choice and it's not for everyone.
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- John Durham 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  If you want to quit - you quit. No need to post about it several places.
  
  Working online is a choice and it's not for everyone.
  
  "We announce what we fail to realize".
  
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  thunderbird 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by John Durham
  
  "We announce what we fail to realize".
  
  It has a lot of similarities to writing. A lot of it is done alone on a schedule one sets for oneself, sometimes with deadlines, sometimes not. Drives some people nuts, for sure.
  
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- ysb888 12 years ago
  
  Yes, you are so right here! Making $ online is not for everyone!
  
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  Brandon Ellis 12 years ago
  
  Hey boss,
  
  It sounds like you have some serious skills man! Just not writing in English. But who cares about that really? If you don't do something well don't try to make money with that skill. It just doesn't work like that.
  
  Most people don't fail at IM, they fail at taking ACTION. That's a truth.
  
  I went to my first IM event in 2001-ish. And I had everything working for me. Got some killer connections with some big guys, had all the motivation in the world to take action. I even had one of the speakers talk about how awesome I was going to do live from the stage.
  
  Having a millionaire say that stuff really inspired me to say the least.
  
  But yet, I got home and didn't do a dang thing. I got into the information grind. Kept reading, buying courses, getting motivated and then losing that by getting into another course.
  
  Was IM at fault?
  
  NO.
  
  I was.
  
  I had internal problems. I treated this like a hobby, like reading a good novel before going to bed (Heck yea Jack Reacher).
  
  But the cold hard fact is this is a business. Want to make a lot of cash? Treat it like a business and think for yourself what makes sense.
  
  Want a hobby layered with frustration and topped with zero results? Treat it casually, read up on all the products, check your email all day for what the people taking action are doing, and accept mediocrity.
  
  It's your life and you get out of whatever you want.
  
  Just remember online business is logical.
  
  You are dealing with real people, not webpages, not stats, not what some "guru" tells you to do.
  
  So stay true to yourself bro. If you have learned a lot of different languages, you are into Manga, you are into mechanics, etc... You have a LOT of skills, and people will pay to learn about things you know.
  
  Just make sure it makes sense. Is it something you would buy? Are you filling some need or desire of that person?
  
  If you love Manga as an example, dig deep into Manga forums, see what people are talking about and get involved in the conversations, take note of their core desires, beliefs and needs.
  
  Maybe they want to learn a certain technique on how to draw with Manga. Maybe a certain author or book is hot. Maybe they don't know what type of tools and brushes are needed for Manga. Maybe there are some certain manga books people are looking for and are having trouble getting their hands on.
  
  You set up a site and fill that need. If you write it yourself in English, pay someone to come behind you and proof it and fix any errors. You could probably get that service taking care of on Fiverr.
  
  Focus first on giving value. Give them what they want and only what they want.
  
  Give them the option to opt-in to get more.
  
  Keep giving value, and then you can send them an offer related to what you are doing.
  
  Put 10$ bucks a day up on Facebook Ads and test traffic to your page. Set up a Facebook Fanpage and get involved.
  
  Take it from there and move forward, getting deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole of your niche.
  
  Ignore all the other crap going on out there in the IM world.
  
  The best thing you could do is unsubscribe to all the list you are on and FOCUS in on your business.
  
  You got this man! It took me years before I finally started DOING, going from a Consumer to Producer is a huge shift. But once you do it. Once you start getting involved, the world is yours.
  
  Will it be easy? No. But winners don't give up.
  
  There is NO shame in losing at all. Just in giving up.
  
  Good luck man.
  
  Brandon
  
  p.s. Thanks for the Lovin' John ; )
  
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  M Thompson 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Brandon Ellis
  
  like reading a good novel before going to bed (Heck yea Jack Reacher).
  
  Can you believe that they have cast Tom Cruise to play him!!! NOoooooooooo it's just wrong
  
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  ThomM 12 years ago
  
  I try to picture myself in 20 year from now which is 40 plus and still work as a mechanic???
  
  What's wrong with being a mechanic?
  With the mechanic idea in mind, why not start a website about installing trick equipment on cars and motorcycles in your country?
  Seems that after a little while you could sell ad space to the companies manufacturing the equipment you write about.
  
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  Spyder77 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by M Thompson
  
  Can you believe that they have cast Tom Cruise to play him!!! NOoooooooooo it's just wrong
  
  Wrong would have been if they'd gone ahead and cast Leonardo Dicaprio for the role of Pat Bateman in American Psycho instead of Christian Bale. Bale's RL blowup on the set of T3 just added more value to AP and turned it into a collector's item.
  
  Of course, its also 4 am as I write this, and I'm long overdue for sleep, so take that for what its worth before everyone rushes out to Walmart to own it on Bluray.
  
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  Brandon Ellis 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by M Thompson
  
  Can you believe that they have cast Tom Cruise to play him!!! NOoooooooooo it's just wrong
  
  What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE!!!!!!!! HECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  lol...
  
  I like Tom Cruise and all but not for this one, that's a mission impossible (excuse the pun)
  
  Jack Reacher is a mans man. I grizzly giant that can lay down the law with brute force.
  
  I had a few good actors in mind, but Tom was not one of them...
  
  I'm gonna go mow my yard now and get this sorted out.
  
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  sundown16 12 years ago
  
  ....sorry to hear you're throwing in the towel
  I agree with dash, that it sounds like you're not sticking to one thing.
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  work it, tweek it, really become an expert at it, whether it's ppc, ppv
  article writing or ezine marketing.
  
  just NEVER give up!
  
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thunderbird

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

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]Marketing is all about communication and your English is HORRIBLE. <snip>

You're right, IM is not for you and you should go and do something else with
your life.

Nobody here is going to feel sorry for you, least of all me.

Actually, I do feel empathy for what he's going through. Also, I don't believe in kicking people when they're down. He does display a pattern of defeatist negativity that would work against him and is already beating himself up without any help from anyone else. Along with that, it seems that he may indeed have been misled and ripped off by IM dream pedlars, sorry.

English is a hard language to learn. English speakers are used to people around the world learning the language and commonly fail to appreciate what was involved in doing so. While people in Japan will clap their hands if you manage to squeeze out even the most rudimentary Japanese words, we'll attack someone who has actually conveyed his meaning quite well in English, if not with very good grammar.

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dcristo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Actually, I do feel empathy for what he's going through. Also, I don't believe in kicking people when they're down. He does display a pattern of defeatist negativity that would work against him and is already beating himself up without any help from anyone else. Along with that, it seems that he may indeed have been misled and ripped off by IM dream pedlars, sorry.

English is a hard language to learn. English speakers are used to people around the world learning the language and commonly fail to appreciate what was involved in doing so. While people in Japan will clap their hands if you manage to squeeze out even the most rudimentary Japanese words, we'll attack someone who has actually conveyed his meaning quite well in English, if not with very good grammar.

This thread has nothing to do with how well he grasps the English language. Attacking him for not knowing English very well when its not his first language would just be silly. But attitude is a universal language and he conveyed that very well in his post.

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pankajchandel123 12 years ago

Hats off to u man......
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alvanpilot 12 years ago

Thunderbird,

I have been around the world. Actually, a couple of times and I must stand up and say that I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!!!!!

Why the hell would you kick a man or woman when they are down and have simply conveyed their own hardships?

And, there is not a person in this forum who hasn't been "ripped off" by some unreputable 'GURU? Yeah, they're ALL gurus when they want your money.

And, you can also turn that shoe around about his mastery of English. How many of YOU who have belittled him can speak ...Chinese or any other foreign language fluently?

I could go on but I am not.

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves all you self righteous biddys!

Just remember that what goes around comes around and what you put out into the universe WILL come back to YOU at some point in YOUR future!

When you belittle a person like this, it makes me ashamed to even belong to this forum.

Sorry, but it HAD to be said!
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Fazal Mayar 12 years ago

Mate, I also am in the same boat. Im is a complete field, you cant do things and expect to work because most of the time they wont. Read and apply techniques THAT WORK.
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Patrician

12 years ago

Zackick,

I am sorry this didn't work out for you. It's not for everybody and there is no shame in that -

At least you tried.

I wish you the best with whatever you decide to do in the future.

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MerlynSanchez

12 years ago

I agree with Patricia.

It's true that you have difficulty with the English language. I read one of your blogs and the articles are poorly written and difficult to understand.

That isn't insurmountable since you can outsource the article writing.

One warrior suggested you work in your own language. I don't know if that's feasible but it's worth looking into, if you haven't.

Not everyone is cut out to be self-employed and there's no shame in that.

You have given it a concerted effort and that counts for a lot.

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Zackick,

I am sorry this didn't work out for you. It's not for everybody and there is no shame in that -

At least you tried.

I wish you the best with whatever you decide to do in the future.

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Patrician

12 years ago

The responses in this thread are why I used to say the main forum is like 'swimming with the sharks'. I advise all newbies to lurk but don't say a word unless they like the sight of their own blood. (Even after 7 years I get shaky when I post there, still feeling the barbs from when I was a newbie).

The Off Topic can be even more snarky but somehow it is less frightening - and I admit I can be quite the snark here myself - when I feel it is deserved.

...and here we go, Yo.

Quite ironic one of the biggest whiners in the forum is so without empathy or compassion to forgive this little guy his venting - whether negative, defeatist or not -

Of course in his many many threads where he shares all of the injustices done to him everybody kisses his butt and ignores how smarmy his negative posts are - but then I guess he has earned his lofty place in Warrior society.

What a fricking laugh.

Love,

Sheeza

p.s. Don't all fall all over yourselves with offers to help in 'the Warrior spirit'...

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Spyder77

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

The responses in this thread are why I used to say the main forum is like 'swimming with the sharks'. I advise all newbies to lurk but don't say a word unless they like the sight of their own blood.

I prefer to swim with the sharks and take whatever criticism comes then never say a word out of fear of criticism. Criticism can be good. It can be motivating. It can put things out you've otherwise missed.

Maybe I'm lucky in that the feedback I've gotten on the few threads I've posted has been pretty positive overall, and any criticism very gentle (and very constructive). I don't post about giving up, though, or post anything provocative or negative as I think attitude is everything in this game, and a negative one is self-defeating all by itself. Ditto a cautious one (not to imply your reluctance to post equates any kind of defeatism in IM).

I prefer boldness and going all in, whatever comes (and I've already had one disaster strike that I spent 3 full days cleaning up, just to salvage my site, its content, but otherwise start from scratch), then hesitation or sitting it out in any way, shape, or form. That is - to me at least - defeatist.

If I lose some blood in the forums along the way so be it. My site was among the ones that got de-indexed along with the rest of the .co.cc domains, and I sucked it up and kept on going. Having tasted the wrath of big G I can donate a few pints of blood in the forum here, if it means I inadvertently PO another Warrior, while continuing to learn (and network) by engaging.

It probably helps that I don't equate my "newbieness" with weakness.

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thunderbird

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Spyder77

I prefer to swim with the sharks and take whatever criticism comes then never say a word out of fear of criticism. Criticism can be good. It can be motivating. It can put things out you've otherwise missed.<snip>

Do you think there is a difference between constructive criticism and abuse?

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Spyder77 12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Do you think there is a difference between constructive criticism and abuse?

Absolutely. I think my first post in this thread was #2 in it, and I quoted in my reply the pretty harsh reply above mine - that contained a grain of truth but which I wanted to soften with constructive feedback. I did that. My response was constructive feedback offering suggestions, and distilling it down to the 2 only real choices: go forward with a marketing plan based around your strengths and weaknesses (which I explained and used myself as an example of how I do this), or decide to call it quits.

Nothing abusive in that post, and my follow up post wasn't meant to legitimize any of the abusive ones, such as those that attacked him based on his English - which is light years beyond my ability to communicate is his native language.

My 2nd response was to the suggestion that newbies refrain from posting lest we put ourselves out for a blood letting my the sharks here. Everyone has a different point of view on some things, that was a point of view I disagreed with and I explained why.

I believe a big part of becoming successful in IM is in networking with other IMers. Sitting on the sidelines then poses a bit of a catch-22 as far as networking goes: if networking is a big component of success in IM (as I believe it is, though as with everything, there are exceptions out there), and you need to engage with other IMers in a forum such as this to build that network, then how do you become successful if you're on the sidelines?

That's not in anyway condoning or excusing those who write abusive posts. It'd be great if we all played nice all the time, but just like in the real world, things get misunderstood, people have off days and write things in the heat of the moment when they feel provoked, and a few people have a fondness for using the anonymous, impersonal nature of forums as a means to express things they'd never say face to face in RL. Then too you'll find the odd sadist here that enjoys that type of thing, but you meet them in real life too.
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- thunderbird 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Spyder77
  
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  Nothing abusive in that post,<snip>
  
  I can see how my comment came across as a reference to your posts, and for that I apologize. I didn't mean it that way. I just meant that sometimes one has to be mindful about how suggestions to others are phrased. I doubt that Steven Wagenheim (who I respect) meant ill, either. Maybe a blunt response *is* best sometimes. There are times when my Mr. Nice Guy approach to things probably causes more harm in the long run than just being blunt in the first place.
  
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  warrenonline 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by thunderbird
  
  I doubt that Steven Wagenheim (who I respect) meant ill, either.
  
  I think he came across like a totally snide, arrogant prick.
  
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woodyear99

12 years ago

Sorry things didn't work out man. I've been slowly building upon each small success. My goal initially wasn't to get rich nor was it to even earn a full time income. I set small goals like just having a functioning website......then actually getting real traffic ie actual humans reading it.......and then my first sale a whopping 20 cents lol......etc.

My point is that you haven't failed in anything, take all your experience so far as a learning experience. You can quit but don't ever think it was all in vain. Those skills can be used on other projects in the future.

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Dash Evra

12 years ago

So...in three years you've tried every online marketing techniques out there. Maybe your problem is that you are not sticking on one thing long enough.

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pickthat apple 12 years ago

Hi Zackick,

I had a look at your blog and I must say that the way you write in English can be misunderstood.

I find errors here and there which wouldn't be the end of the world if you were writing about potatoes, but not if your main subject has to to with loans and finances and you have to convey a clear message and instill confidence.

Have you tried building websites written in your original language?

I certainly couldn't do that!

If I was you I would work in cooperation with some more experienced IMer so that he can help you pinpoint the faults.

Another idea could be to outsource those tasks which you find difficult. That of course would mean spending some money on it, but it may be worth it in the end.
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- High Horsepower 12 years ago
  
  What are you most happy doing? I like working with small businesses and showing off my internet skills :p
  
  In the Offline World someone with skills such as yours can not only make a ton of money, but you command respect and credibility.
  
  I don't like Online marketing, but I make six figures a year doing offline marketing, plus I own two brick and mortar businesses myself.
  
  If you applied everything you listed in your post to offline businesses you would have made a small fortune.
  
  My offline marketing business pays for my car (see avatar), my boat, vacations, serious play money, casino money, pays for my kids college and so forth. I only work Offline part-time.
  
  I'm terrible at true Internet Online marketing, but Offline (Local SEO), it's easy.
  
  Go Offline, you won't regret it.
  
  Good Luck,
  
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cherryannml

12 years ago

Hi Zack,

Sorry to hear all that happened to you. You have done IM for 3 years, if you quit now it would be like giving up and if you don't use what you have larned it would have been in vain.

I cannot tell you what to do, but if spent 3 years doing IM and had all the books and info at my disposal, I would continue to try my best to work it and try to find someone honest that can help me put it all together until I get the results I am looking for.

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zackick

Now I officially announced I quit doing IM and never came back. you can say what ever you like but this is like complaint and quit letter.

It seems to me if you wanted to quit you would just quit, not write about it in the forum. Writing about it tells me you're looking for someone to pick up your broken pieces and put them together so they work.

You've tried a lot of different things. Far more than I and I've been doing this since 1997, full-time since 1999. I focus on just a handful of things, and after all this time I'm still learning. The point is, it doesn't sound like you've mastered anything and gave up before you could.

Here's what I suggest...

Take a break. Take a few weeks away. Then make an honest assessment of your strengths and weaknesses. Use that to help you pick out one area of IM to focus on, and then become an expert in that one area. Focus all your energy and efforts on that one thing. Bang that drum for at least 6-months and then reassess where you're at.

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Roaddog

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

It seems to me if you wanted to quit you would just quit, not write about it in the forum. Writing about it tells me you're looking for someone to pick up your broken pieces and put them together so they work.

You've tried a lot of different things. Far more than I and I've been doing this since 1997, full-time since 1999. I focus on just a handful of things, and after all this time I'm still learning. The point is, it doesn't sound like you've mastered anything and gave up before you could.

Here's what I suggest...

Take a break. Take a few weeks away. Then make an honest assessment of your strengths and weaknesses. Use that to help you pick out one area of IM to focus on, and then become an expert in that one area. Focus all your energy and efforts on that one thing. Bang that drum for at least 6-months and then reassess where you're at.

Good advice there buddy, I would listen to Dennis.

Sometimes you just need to step back an inch to gain a mile.

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addyj672

12 years ago

I think internet marketing works from one but some times never works for another. It is part of life, some time thing looks simple but they are not that simple. No hard feeling try to gather yourself and try your luck in some thing else....

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12 years ago

My friend you will need way more than 4000 backlinks to get to page 1. You should outsource your SEO. You should see better results.

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Dennis Gaskill 12 years ago

Originally Posted by O0o0O

My friend you will need way more than 4000 backlinks to get to page 1. You should outsource your SEO. You should see better results.

That really depends on what keywords you're trying to get ranked for. A good many sites on the first page don't even have 100 backlinks, let alone 4000. There's a lot more to it than just links.
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- elmoo 12 years ago
  
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by techlunatic

My sympathy with you coz it didnt work out for you. they say 80% of the people starting with IM quit in the first year it shows that it does not work for all, just like all other industries. It works for some it does not work for some.

It has worked very well for me till date. There was initial frustration but now it works very well with all the passive income streams set and funneling in money from CPA, affiliates, adsense, premium wordpress plugins and ofcourse blogging!

There are times it can be intensely frustrating with major setbacks occurring at the worst possible times. When I wrote my first reply here I was going through one such experience myself: I'd made the rookie mistakes of using platform I have no control over (Blogger) and a free .cc.co "domain" that got my site de-indexed, along with ever other .cc.co the same day I completed a trade that netted me several back links (my writing in exchange for the links). Was it upsetting to have the nightmare scenario unfold? Absolutely. Did it cross my mind to say screw it and cut my losses and call it quits? You bet it did.

I did neither. I learned from it: do not put all of one's eggs into one basket (I had only one egg, but even still), and never put your investment into hands you do not control.

I sanitized the site with bleach to remove all traces to the .cc.co domain and, as far as the search engines are concerned, am right back to day one there. I kept at it, though, and other opportunities arose as a result: I channelled some of the funds I made from outsourcing into my first domain for a sister site whose keywords, market, and competition I researched with what I've learned from my first launch, and have since picked up additional writing projects to use as funds toward developing the new site (this project came to me, and is the result of the power of networking through engagement I mentioned). And in a similar vein on the networking theme, his new site is close enough to my niche (though not in a competitive way, that I'm tossing him a freebie as first on my new site's blogroll and a site review - the networking thing and reciprocation).

Meantime I not only haven't given up on my first site, and in fact despite being de-indexed, I went ahead and wrote the affiliate marketer of a product I could use on my site, requesting a free review product. And I got it yesterday. Would I have gotten it if I'd given up or allowed the setback to affect my attitude? Not likely.

Its been said before but bears repeating: attitude is vital in this. If you have no confidence you're going to fail because you'll never overcome the obstacles that come up and your attitude will show in your efforts: either by jumping from project to project, or by putting people off.

This is not addressed to you specifically, as clearly you've been here before and moved on. I'm not sure who its addressed to, maybe myself.

As IMers, we're still sales people - we just operate in a different realm from the pack. It has its advantages and drawbacks, but there is one key element involved with both: attitude. You wouldn't by a car from a salesman who put you off with his negativity or lack of confidence - why would you buy online from someone who projects those same weaknesses? You wouldn't. The big advantage of IM is that you can feel like s--- and still sell because you don't have to come across that way in your communication. In RL this is a bigger problem because there you project "tells" in your body language, posture, speech, and eye contact. Which is a huge plus for those of us who aren't good at masking our thoughts and emotions in RL where everything is visible and real time.

Anyway, that is going off on a bit of a tangent.

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huluman

12 years ago

Hey zick!

I saw your 500 Payday loans site... why do you want to quit? You don't even spend money for Blogspot!

I think you just need to improve your writing skills or outsource it... like I do.
English is not my mother tongue too. I outsource everything that needs to be written... Even if english would be my first language, I never would write articles by myself... NEVER ! :-)

My English is good enough for writing instructions... Thats it!

Good Luck
H.

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kenmichaels 12 years ago

I don't think that he really wants to quit, feels to me like he just needed to vent, ( and like some one else said , maybe looking for some one to grab ahold of his hand )

We have all failed at some point, personally i failed so bad at one of my businesses, lost so much money, that even to mention the horrendous amount lost, everyone here would assume i was lying. .. trick is too , Man up realize the mistakes were yours and not to look for someone / something to blame, stand at least 2 ft away from your wife when you finally tell her you lost everything ... say F*** it, and get back on the horse and and finally try not to make the same mistake(s) again.
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Pursuit2Success

12 years ago

That's on you man, if you want to QUIT then do it. In the end, it's your life, I don't care what people say no matter if we are all rich, I bet 99% of us will never donate a single cent to nobody. Truth is, that's how life is, just live your life.

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dagaul101

12 years ago

It's sad after trying so many techniques, you are disappointed with the result, ideally you should have a competitor site to look at and see what they are doing right you can implement

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gforces

12 years ago

Hi,

I know that it can be very discouraging not making any headway in this internet marketing game. Some people here on the forum make it even harder by ripping into you for various problems they see with either you English ability or how you have tackled marketing on the internet.

日本人じゃないですか？I think trying to make it in the English internet marketing world is part of the problem. I would concentrate on working in and building a business using Japanese. Japan has many internet marketing opportunities. OK, it may not be as big as the English speaking internet market but it's a very active one. Amazon exists in Japan and I would suggest starting there.

Don't jump all over the place but stick at one thing until you get it. If you give up you fail. If you don't, you are one step closer to making this thing work.

日本語も分かりますから、どうぞ僕と一緒にcommunicationしましょか？PMしてください。

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vverrall

12 years ago

I would not give up, I have been at it too for 4 years without results; the advice is do it in your free time as a hobby so that you do not get frustrated. As for the cost; it is not easy but I always reference bricks and motor businesses that cost a fortune to start. The advice is not to believe marketers who promise thousands overnight.

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zackick

12 years ago

okey I back to IM now, wow that is lot of critic and positif feedback. it been almost 2 week I did not do IM, it been a while and I think a lot and reread back the basic. I finally set my idiot and crappy mind all over again that I want to be specialist and not some kind of generalist that keep jumping all over the web again and life(no more changing other job....I now is the owner already,hehehe just open it for me brother that managed it)

hehehe to become specialist now is do it as routine now since i at home for recover and later next month got head back to work. so sos o no time to do IM AND YEAH probabaly limit in time to do IM. vverrall yeah that is what in my mind now to do it as hobby like playing game for fun- low expectation low hope low low but hopefully now my blasting backlink effort like get it indexed sometime near futurre. and hohoho merry chrismas all the site is making money for me.

In break time 2 week, i have modified all the site to be more truly SEO than before. from the result i see- only got 1 site thaT i build In Chinese language in the past 2 year(no backlink and no onpage seo and not in top 500) now is shotting skyrocket to second pages. that after i make some drastically change on onpage seo and offpage seo.

while other site that I just recenlty build have all bump out to at least on 1,2,3 pages of google for selected keyword. it not really make me happy at all as I only target on 1spot of google but at least me small small silly and effortless work not gooo waste at all.

I not a Japanese, I live in multiracial country that enables me to speak in Indian,Chinese, Malay, English, Japanese( that to read manga, hehehehe), Hakka. My only regret that I try to crack to learn grammar but it somehow holy man is so hard.

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Spyder77

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zackick

okey I back to IM now, wow that is lot of critic and positif feedback. it been almost 2 week I did not do IM, it been a while and I think a lot and reread back the basic. I finally set my idiot and crappy mind all over again that I want to be specialist and not some kind of generalist that keep jumping all over the web again and life(no more changing other job....I now is the owner already,hehehe just open it for me brother that managed it)

hehehe to become specialist now is do it as routine now since i at home for recover and later next month got head back to work. so sos o no time to do IM AND YEAH probabaly limit in time to do IM. vverrall yeah that is what in my mind now to do it as hobby like playing game for fun- low expectation low hope low low but hopefully now my blasting backlink effort like get it indexed sometime near futurre. and hohoho merry chrismas all the site is making money for me.

In break time 2 week, i have modified all the site to be more truly SEO than before. from the result i see- only got 1 site thaT i build In Chinese language in the past 2 year(no backlink and no onpage seo and not in top 500) now is shotting skyrocket to second pages. that after i make some drastically change on onpage seo and offpage seo.

while other site that I just recenlty build have all bump out to at least on 1,2,3 pages of google for selected keyword. it not really make me happy at all as I only target on 1spot of google but at least me small small silly and effortless work not gooo waste at all.

I not a Japanese, I live in multiracial country that enables me to speak in Indian,Chinese, Malay, English, Japanese( that to read manga, hehehehe), Hakka. My only regret that I try to crack to learn grammar but it somehow holy man is so hard.

There's a lot of good advice here. Some of it was not particularly constructive, and really just abusive, but I'd ignore it and focus on the constructive feedback you've been given (some of which was very positive).

You've stuck it out and lasted this long so you must have learned some stuff along the way. Very few of us are good at everything, while most of us have one stand-out ability in some key IM area (or at least an aptitude).

My strength (not in the same league as the best here, but it doesn't need to be) is writing content, while I'm weak to varying degrees in other areas. So I capitalize on my strength, and improve on my weaknesses, by working with someone who hates writing content, but is much better in many other aspects of IM than I am. We exchange projects that each of us needs done to mutual advantage by trading on our different strengths. Others outsource. Some do both.

You're back into it, and as long as you remain in the game there's ways around obstacles. And lots of good advice to help there in this thread.

-Spyder

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M Thompson

12 years ago

You need to be able to build a relationship with your viewers/readers, give them a reason to buy from you and not that other guy over there.

I appreciate that your english may not be good, so you need to find a way to get around that, what skills do you have? team up with someone with good english skills and swap your skills for content.

Earlier this week i wrote a blog post about Sticking at it and not letting all the crap that gets thrown at IM'ers get to you

Monday Tip – Stickibility – Now Is Not The Time To Give Up

Just spend 10 minutes and read some of the comments and you'll see that you are not alone and lots of people have been through the whole i am giving up crap..but stuck with it and refuse to give up..

Keep doing it and you can't fail to succeed eventually

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zackick

12 years ago

Originally Posted by M Thompson

You need to be able to build a relationship with your viewers/readers, give them a reason to buy from you and not that other guy over there.

I appreciate that your english may not be good, so you need to find a way to get around that, what skills do you have? team up with someone with good english skills and swap your skills for content.

Earlier this week i wrote a blog post about Sticking at it and not letting all the crap that gets thrown at IM'ers get to you

Monday Tip - Stickibility - Now Is Not The Time To Give Up

Just spend 10 minutes and read some of the comments and you'll see that you are not alone and lots of people have been through the whole i am giving up crap..but stuck with it and refuse to give up..

Keep doing it and you can't fail to succeed eventually

I am shock to hell, i not realize it that there have other than me suffer it too.I try to picture myself in 20 year from now which is 40 plus and still work as a mechanic???

so how is the IM that i start out in early day? oh yeah I give up and run away to other thing and start other and start other and now that crap.

I can't do like that, life is short sooo short.

Hey Tompson how can I get people to collaboration with me in IM. I got no skill in writing, html website no, just know basic crap thing seo

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by zackick

I am shock to hell, i not realize it that there have other than me suffer it too.I try to picture myself in 20 year from now which is 40 plus and still work as a mechanic???

so how is the IM that i start out in early day? oh yeah I give up and run away to other thing and start other and start other and now that crap.

I can't do like that, life is short sooo short.

Hey Tompson how can I get people to collaboration with me in IM. I got no skill in writing, html website no, just know basic crap thing seo

Ok that is half the problem right there (or maybe 3/4 of the problem). Picturing yourself in 20 years from now being at the same place you are now is very detrimental and thinking of that all of the time is not going to make you progress...in fact that is also why you are stagnating aside from the language issue. Believe me I know I have been in that place and after realizing that Law of Attraction does work, you need to first improve your way of thinking. Another thing to do is to not hop from one thing to another. I also had to learn that the hard way. I suggest that you spend some time at the self improvement area of the forum and read the posts there. They are extremely useful and insightful. Once your thoughts are better, then CHOOSE one or two things at most to focus on and then take advantage of other areas in the forum such as a main marketing section. You may want to join the War Room as well (which I plan to do after I come back from my vacation at the end of the month). You CAN make it work and as suggested in previous posts, if English is not your first language, you can have that outsourced! There are many people who will do it for a low price. It is FAR from hopeless! You need to firstly really work on changing your thoughts for the better, then to choose one or two at most to focus on and then learn what you can from here. It is far from hopeless!

PS You don't need to know technical stuff, or anything.. you can have it outsourced, fiverr is a good place to start as well as Warriors for Hire. And doing that is not going to cost you must... and at the same time realize it takes spending money to make money.

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John Durham

12 years ago

Last post before Im out... Here's the truth. You need to:

A: Stop being a wuss and find your balls.
B: Find your true authentic self.
C: Identify what it is that that person offers the world.

And then go out and be that with all your heart and soul!

Money will come to that.

One last thought:

You have got to know that failures are "sheep"... you have to distinguish the difference between them and you. You have to repeat to yourself "I will do what the failure refuses to do".

"I will do the things that other people think are too hard".

I will not be as the failures. I am not a lamb being led to the slaughter house. I am a lion! Failure does not course in my veins.

Quit being a sheep. Either hang out with the sheep and be led to the slaughter... that is their destiny... or in the spirit of my good friend Brandon Ellis, "Punch your inner wuss in the balls and kick his ass".

There is equal opportunity for all, choose what you want to be.

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jeffrey73

12 years ago

John Durham has such a way with words!

Originally Posted by John Durham

Last post before Im out... Here's the truth. You need to:

A: Stop being a wuss and find your balls.
B: Find your true authentic self.
C: Identify what it is that that person offers the world.

And then go out and be that with all your heart and soul!

Money will come to that.

One last thought:

You have got to know that failures are "sheep"... you have to distinguish the difference between them and you. You have to repeat to yourself "I will do what the failure refuses to do".

"I will do the things that other people think are too hard".

I will not be as the failures. I am not a lamb being led to the slaughter house. I am a lion! Failure does not course in my veins.

Quit being a sheep. Either hang out with the sheep and be led to the slaughter... that is their destiny... or in the spirit of my good friend Brandon Ellis, "Punch your inner wuss in the balls and kick his ass".

There is equal opportunity for all, choose what you want to be.

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John Durham 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jeffrey73

John Durham has such a way with words!

I have Paul Myers to Thank for that. His material has taught me not to be afraid of speaking in my own authentic voice, regardless of the mood or whatever. The wind direction changes but the core tree remains the same. The trumpet plays different songs but it is the same instrument always.

Anyway, "Myers" can teach you to express from your inner gut unabashedly and not be afraid of yourself.

It may not be appropriate posting too many links, but I feel everyone should read his stuff especially "The Idea spot". You can google that. You may even get a few other surprises, but Im not telling.

He teaches you to find your very best self, and express it with authenticity. So many times we are afraid of ourselves. Just be who you are and make sure that that person is rock solid in who they are... Then take them to the top with their inherent uniqueness.
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zackick

12 years ago

okey after some real serious complaint, now my coach or sifu back to help me. life spirit is come back to me now but I just keep it low as low as possible as to avaoid death pain serious.

life job i got to stick for at least 5-7 year so do IM(low and slow)

bye lo

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golferman13200

12 years ago

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get back to work. Perhaps you could outsource the jobs that you find hard. Its cheap

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valerieSONORA

12 years ago

You all are meanies, he just needs a HUG!!!!

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John Durham 12 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

You all are meanies, he just needs a HUG!!!!

I get suspicious when my grandson says he wants a hug... depending on what mood he is in, it could be a "Fight hug" , or a "love hug".... "Dont worry grampaw... its love hug time , not fight hug time..."

Sure it is!

Usually that scenario ends up with me being wrestled to the floor.
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derricks4

12 years ago

Thought he was a goner but the cat came back, he just couldn't stay away....

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zackick

12 years ago

wow what a negative view from so called expert in Warrior forum. yeah maybe me english suck like crappy chicken. sure i like do focus on other language like Chinese and Malay. english competition is so hard to win over and take back home 1 spot. thank for the critic and make me think lot. tumb up bro

yeah maybe some of you say is right about. do IM when got time and do it for fun(do build backlink must focus and do more). after build more than 400-450 backlink, now i can see it appear indexed(that after do crack body to do so).

after do more backlink, it time to relax and do review on me site. do check on how to make it more SEO than previous on site or content.

i got shock when one of me site that I have build 2 year ago(not in top 1000), after do add some content and make it triple SEO. Now it suck to 2 pages for keyword I want it to appear on 1 spot. okey i sooooo happy but got lot of work need to do.checklist go long ang long....

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highhopes

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zackick

i want to quit IM after trying luck for more than 3 year and nothing happen.

i should listen to me mom, never do it.

I try ebay,clickbank,cpa,amazon and other. all seem to me is false and earn me noooo money at all.

i have working 13 hours a day doing backlink, buy countless ebook, try it and nothing. My biggest regret is getting involve in INTERNET MARKETING.....wasting my precious time, dammnn what an idiot i am.

My website is never appear on 1 pages eventhough the keyword is easy and less competition. I have add more than 4000 backlink and do add post but nothing.

You name what method i never use, blogging comment, forum, yahoo answer, submit directory and everything....

Last 2 year i did facebook but it like holy crap did nothing but unknown friend, i stop it. oh yeah i buy from vincent tan. result fail

after trying countless software like article writing,submitter, blog comment and etc. I see a chance of lifetime of 1 year coaching from DANTHESEOGUY, so I buy he ebook and get free coaching for 1 year but now i have a very hard time to get access to he.

result failure, even through according to all what he guide me.

Now I officially announced I quit doing IM and never came back. you can say what ever you like but this is like complaint and quit letter.

Most of the offers and or so called seminars or courses sold on the internet are nothing short of unadulterated oven fresh CRAP!
Most of the wise stay clear of it..... literally everywhere and i mean everywhere you find yourself, forums, websites, etc, it`s out there.

Personally that`s why i have kept my feet on the ground running a successful off line business model and not wasted my time.

In fact a very successful lady from london ( mention no names) will tell you to be careful what you get into, even the Warrior forum she states is not immune to outdated, unworkable and just BAD products sold as an internet marketing vehicle to gaining riches is so very bad, yet the gullible will jump on board and realize it too late.

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dasongoh

12 years ago

Like many others, I started my online dream about 6 years ago. Being a newbie and all, I tried web hosting (failed terribly), domain trading (not too bad but not enough), AdSense (I earn about $100 in 3 months so...), etc.

2 years back still without any results my morale plunged and I started thinking like zackick -- hey, maybe I should just quit all these and go back to a day job. Anyway, with a decent degree I should be able to find a well paid job.

BUT...

I have another voice, deep inside me. It shouted at me: "If you quit now, you would have really wasted the 4 years of work. But if you continue the past 4 years will continue to be your asset, your experience". At least I know WHAT DOESN'T WORK.

Then it was when I have a NEW THOUGHT: "Perhaps I have been trying to simply follow what others are doing, and I kept myself too busy in the back end. Maybe I should try going to the front, where all the money is (and of course where all the big guys are)?".

Then BAM!

I made over $12k over the last 2 years -- okay, it may be peanuts to many of you but to me its not the amount that matters but the fact that I can really DO SOMETHING about my life with the right attitude and the right mindset.

Don't give up just yet... I had 4 years of failures to make $12k. Now with 6 years of "failures", I believe I can make $48k in the next year.

If you don't believe in yourself and quit now, you are just proving your mother right.

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zackick

12 years ago

yeah you are right about it gohtohlee, i can't give up now. only one thing in me mind now is do it at free time rather than busy time.

i also pick up something from me mom, she love to plant flower and other thing. she did say everyday must clean the grass and flush the flower, cane and etc. thing will grow what. so do the google and me knowledge and experience too.

she got the point there, do it as routine and okey hope put it low and alway test. my mom did plant 30 vege name "poho" i not know what it call in english. result only 1 survive and other die. now that is the result she get, so i want to test 1 thing in large amount, maybe 10 or 20. hopefully got the same result she get.

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dasongoh

12 years ago

Hi zackick,

I hope you will never give up! Entrepreneurship is a SPIRIT! (Like Naruto!)

Cheers!

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gareth

12 years ago

Most of the stuff i try would only make me rich if i lived in the third world

Every now and then I find a gold nugget

Look at all the stuff Google does that flops - are they giving up?

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Alex Barboza 12 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

Most of the stuff i try would only make me rich if i lived in the third world

Well, I ive in the third world. can you tell me you ideas?
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dmorrow

12 years ago

Zackick, may I suggest that you look at Ken Evoy's Site Build It? He offers a one year money back guarantee that might make you feel safer in trying his course, and the Site Build It course is so well respected that it is offered at 20 universities offline. You can pay monthly, too. They will answer all your questions with patience and detail. They are fast to reply to email. They have integrity.

Just go explore the program. Ask all the questions that you need to. Research it online. Ask the members here what they think. If you decide that Site Build It is what you need, they also offer an affiliate program. Type sitebuildit into yahoo and go read the results.

Zackick, you have done so much more than I have. I have lost a LOT of money buying online opportunities. This is a whole new world for us. You are educating yourself about what will not work. Your failures are part of your education. Please, don't quit IF YOU ENJOY THE WORK.

You know, you could always blog about your knowledge of what does not work. I have read some great, funny articles online about peoples' failures in IM. Use your native language, write to your countrymen about the nightmare of learning IM with English as a second language. I'm sure that a lot of readers would nod and laugh in agreement with some of your language experiences. I wonder if your local newspaper would like you to write a series of articles for their readers? Unless your culture avoids laughing at oneself. That might not be a wise choice.

You could do a site about all the different programs that you have bought and tried. You might save someone else from making the mistakes that you made. You are rich in experience.

Just do what you enjoy. Post some YouTube videos about mechanic things. I like to watch Eric The Car Guy. That's where I learned about blowing out a heater core to make the heater work.

My heart hurts for you, Zackick. I understand how hard it is to try and try and try, and still not succeed. 4000 backlinks!! That is amazing! So much hard work that you have put into your business. Keep trying, if you enjoy the work, Zackick. Your effort makes people like me look at ourselves and tell ourselves that we need to keep trying and work harder. You have encouraged me. Thank you, Sir.

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dmorrow

12 years ago

And Zackick, something else that occurred to me- have you thought about cell phone marketing? That is a whole new field opening up, and it seems to be a mostly untapped area, from what I have read.

The demographic is young people. That means customers for your products, Zackick. Young people are faster to trust a new concept, or at least I was when I was younger. Of course, that means that you must possess integrity, so as to be trustworthy, right?

I watched a guy on YouTube, using Admob, getting many fast opt ins. I can't post the link here because I don't have enough posts to be able to put links in my posts. Just search for Admob on YouTube. LOTS of videos. Also, search for SiteBuildIt! on YouTube.

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Kay King

12 years ago

I try ebay,clickbank,cpa,amazon and other. all seem to me is false and earn me noooo money at all.

i have working 13 hours a day doing backlink, buy countless ebook, try it and nothing. My biggest regret is getting involve in INTERNET MARKETING.....wasting my precious time, dammnn what an idiot i am.

The problem is you have someone who tries everything a little bit. He's young and impatient - and has the burden of poor English in writing at least. He doesn't need every new product or to try everything suggested - he needs to choose ONE thing and do it well until he makes it work.

There's no point to telling him all the other things "you can do". You can't do it all - and what I see is someone complaining and getting advice - but this week he's buying another WSO on a totally different "method".

If you keep starting over with one thing after another - you will always be at the "beginning" stage of your business.

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dmorrow 12 years ago

"Compulsive buyers surrounded by sharks" LOLOLOL!!! Dreamcube, I just love that phrase!

Thanks for viewing my...um... profile. Not much there, huh? ) I really need to fill in those blanks, but I just don't know what to write at this time. I'm in a few opportunities, and as you know, there are always several more opps just circling the waters of our minds, enticing and beckoning, winking and waving...sigh. So much to learn and implement. And ignore.

Go make money, friend.
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dmorrow

12 years ago

Kay, there's a lot of truth in what you said- trying too many thing too soon, not specializing, always being in the beginning phase, but I suggested the things that I did for specific reasons.

Articles for newspapers and blogging, both in his native language, to help him succeed with the written word in spite of the language barrier, to give him a measure of success to strengthen him. If he can do either of those 2 things, he will develop persistence to a greater degree than he may now have. I myself perform best under the pressure of a deadline. It seems to help me focus.

Sitebuildit would help him to build a great website that is already fully optimized for high rankings. That is one of their best features. The forum members and experts there would answer his questions as they pertain to Sitebuildit precisely. it is a nurturing environment for newbies.

Without rereading that program's features, I can't remember everything it offers, but it is a complete course for building a traffic-drawing website that ranks highly in it's niche. Ken Evoy feels that having a website without traffic is pointless, so he starts his people out learning about keywords, traffic, niches, SEO, etc, and builds from there. That would seem to meet many of Zackick's needs as mentioned in his first few posts.

YouTube videos would help him get a taste of actually being online, and if he is good as a mechanic, he would develop a following. Personal interaction. Practice in social networking. People skills. Enhancing his online presence with videos.

Cell phone marketing seems simpler to me, and easier to succeed in. I don't know much about it, admittedly, but it nudged my curiosity button enough to learn a little about it.

I see his jumping from program to program as a strong desire to learn IM, coupled with a strong curosity about how it all works, and an optimistic nature. Kinda like "I know I can do this! Just gotta find the right vehicle!" Also, he is susceptible to hot ad copy, like a whole lot of us. And possibly, there's a good bit of inability to follow through to completion. Again, just like so many of us. And choosing the one thing... that's the kicker, isn't it? How does one choose the one thing unless he knows the range of his options? There's a whole INTERNET out there!!!!!! LOLOL!!

Finally, Kay, I see so much of myself in Zackick. I hate to see anyone so discouraged. I want him to succeed, and you do too, I know. I'm 58, and I have had to make myself stop trying everything that sounds good, because I'm weak on follow through myself. But 10 years ago? I was gonna do it, boy oh boy was I! *smile* Still will, hopefully.

Thanks for your input, Kay.
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zackick

12 years ago

hey Kay, i not young people and people with same age with me is success already. I set no keep jumping around anymore, just add technique video to my arsenal marketing( that for fun).

dmorrow thank for help and much consideration of positive view. i not sure whether or not if i write in Malay/Chinese language got people want to see or not. my country both population is less and now is still develop nation. I do also try build 2 micro niche in my language, so i just keep promo and .......keep add more technique to my arsenal rather than focus on one marketing way only. google like diversity link and now i did my triple more SEO on me site, i feel good now. do as routine and do it when time is free.

i feel better now and just keep listen/watch/read motivation stuff. day still moving and year still moving. day by day i keep old and i want to be specialist rather than jumper trying trying trying. i got job to do is keeep learning and master it.

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Kay King

12 years ago

I watched a guy on YouTube, using Admob, getting many fast opt ins. I can't post the link here because I don't have enough posts to be able to put links in my posts. Just search for Admob on YouTube. LOTS of videos. Also, search for SiteBuildIt! on YouTube.

Here's what happened, though. You mentioned videos and the next thing I notice is the OP is buying a video WSO. You have a suggestible person willing to go in whatever direction he's pointed. Every time he posts he's pointed to another shiny new object/idea by one person or another.

You mention SiteBuildIt a lot - this is an old program that's still good for some new people online. It's not good for marketers who need to learn the technical aspects of site building and be able to build multiple sites at a reasonable cost. SBI makes a good site - but not an inexpensive one.

I agree creating sites targeting his own language market makes sense - I think more here should be doing that. What will not work is targeting the US buyer with bad English usage. The US target market doesn't like that - unless you are a recognized expert in a field, the language is a big problem.

I think there's tremendous opportunity for marketers in many developing countries right now. They can lead the trends and be on top as the internet spreads through their own region. It may take time - but those who do that could do very well in the end.

It's really hard to get anything to stick.

Add to that the fact that most of us are here because we are compulsive buyers surrounded by sharks... and you have a combination that usually ends with results similar to the OPs.

I think you have "most of us" wrong. Nothing sticks - until you do. That's the truth. Another harsh truth is the disappointment of so many new marketers trying to create a business in a language they can't use correctly. If you have poor written English skills, you are aware of it. If you can't hire writers or buy content, you start out with a huge disadvantage if you target an English speaking market. Many will never get past that. People don't like it when you point that out - but I hate to see people hitting their heads against an immovable wall year after year.

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dmorrow 12 years ago

Kay, you are so right about most of what you said here, but I don't want to see Zackick give up because of frustration. He alone will have to decide to change the areas of weakness that are holding him back. I will, too, for myself. I especially appreciated your comments about nothing sticking until I do. That is something I have had to accept about myself, and make it a matter of prayer. The wounds of a friend are faithful, Kay. Thanks for the small owwies.

Until that time, he's keeping the dream of online success alive in ways that work for him. I'm fine with that, not that anyone needs my approval! Hope you see me smiling as I say that, girl. And Sitebuildit is not the cheapest solution out there, true, but it has strong foundations and a step by step procedure that would assist a website marketer who just can't figure out what he is doing wrong. Zackick is definitely willing to invest his money in his future. I honestly think that Sitebuildit and Sitesell is a tremendous place to start, Kay. As I understand their program, everything Zackick needs at this point is available through Sitebuildit.

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dmorrow 12 years ago

Zackick, one of the hardest things for us to do is to see our own faults. And then to not make excuses for our own faults. To just accept that we need to improve an area before we are at the professional level.

Have you read of Thomas Edison and the light bulb? He tried hundreds of times to invent an electric light bulb. Here is what he said about each time he failed: "That's one more way it won't work, so we are closer to a solution."

It is the same way with your IM efforts. I looked at your 500 payday loans website. Would you type "payday loans" into Google and look at your competition? Check out their websites.

Look at Advanceamerica. Look at Checkngo. Look at Americanpaydayloansinc. Look at Cashadvance. Just look at your main competitors online on the first page of Google results. That is where you want your website to be, right?. Then compare your website to theirs.

Look for complete sentences and correct grammar. Look for good punctuation. Correct spelling. See how well laid out each section is. How pretty the sites are, and how different each site is from the others. How do these sites make you feel? They are only words and graphics on a screen, Zackick. But how do they make you feel?

People will run away from an unprofessional looking website, Zackick. Especially a website that deals with their money and their financial information. They will not trust it. Identity theft is the fastest growing white collar crime in America. A professional looking website helps a stranger to feel more at ease, to give you their trust. Does that make sense?

You must make your website look as good as your competition. SEO should not be your main goal right now, if you will forgive me for saying that, Zackick. Not your main work. Your website should be your main work, until it looks as good as the competition. Then you can think about ranking it.

Please forgive me, a stranger, if I cause offense, Zackick. I do not mean to do that. But you are working very hard, and I want you to succeed. If I can help, I will be happy to. I know very little about SEO, but I am good at proofreading for mistakes, if that would help you.

One last suggestion, if I may- go research Sitebuildit in Google. I believe that would be a great help to your future. There is so much valuable help there, and they have a 90 day trial. I am not an affiliate. I just believe in their product.

This is pasted from the first page of the Sitebuildit website:

Why Build Just A Web Site Or Blog? Build A Web Business

Site Build It! ("SBI!") is all about you starting and building your own business online.
It is the only all-in-1 step-by-step system of process-and-software that delivers thriving businesses. No other purchase is necessary. Everything is included...
SBI! is all about e-business building, not merely site-or-blog building.
This is the single biggest difference between SBI! and every other product.
The "latest and greatest" site-building or blogging products are unimportant details compared to SBI!'s business-building combination of process, tools, updating and guidance. Think of it this way...

Site/blog-building is only 1 out of the 10 key steps for building any e-business. Software like WordPress does not include the process or tools or support/guidance necessary to do the other 9 steps.
If you do not do everything necessary to build a business, what's the point of yet another unvisited site or blog that earns little or no income?

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- Kay King 12 years ago
  
  Please stop promoting SBI here. Useful info would be how to build a good wordpress blog or html site - using xsitepro, etc.
  
  I know you say you are not an affiliate - but your frequent references to SBI in posts and suggestions that people pm you for help make me wonder what's up. If I'm wondering - so are others. Just saying....
  
  Currently I'm running over 2 dozen websites on one of my hosting accounts- the cost of hosting for those is $25/month TOTAL. Every site I add to that account reduces the hosting cost for each site.
  
  With HG I can build a WP blog for free. With a one time payment to XSitePro I was able to build well over a hundred sites - that means each site cost less $2 to build.
  
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  Kay, I know a little about SBI because I used to belong to it. I no longer am in their program. I pasted the portions of the first page of SBI that you read from their website for Zackick to read. For HIS benefit. You obviously have grown far past Zackick's level, and I am happy for you.
  
  I suggested that Daniel22 PM me because I bought a course about 3 years ago from a YouTuber that shows how to build a website free, using available online sources, how to market it online free, free auto responder sources, and so on. I was going to share that program with him. Anyone who wonders about my motives is welcome to ask me. I won't lie to them.
  
  Are you a forum moderator? Have I broken some rules in trying to offer help with my small knowledge? If so, please refer me to that area so I can see what I'm doing that is stirring you up. If not, try to understand that I don't owe you anything other than courtesy.
  
  You have a lot of experience and knowledge. You know enough, for instance, to toss off abbreviations like HG to a new member like me as if I should know what that means. How is that going to help, except to illustrate that you are so clearly a pro? I'm glad you are where you are, but I'm not, and if " arriving" gives me an attitude like yours, I don't want to go there.
  
  Again, if I broke some forum rules, I will gladly receive correction from those who have the right to give it. But are you an administrator? A moderator? Who? Blunt honesty is one thing, controlling arrogance is quite something else.
  
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12 years ago

Well said Donna! :-)

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Kay King 12 years ago

Donna -

Didn't mean to be rude - and no rules are broken. But the OP posted last month that he's using blogger and the free wordpress platform. SBI is not free and it's not cheap for someone struggling to find enough money to keep going online. That's my main objection to it. Like I said before, it's a good product.

Sometimes I, and others, may seem overly skeptical - but that's because we've seen so many people come here and end up trying get money out of members here. Don't worry - we'll get over it

Peace.

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mado

12 years ago

Internet marketing isn't hard at all!, I made $100 in my first week. I didn't know anything about internet marketing but I just bought a good ebook and followed it.I learned and took action. so I made money.look dude!, If you are smart, you will make money.It isn't a big issue.You say that you spent hours building backlinks. it is okay but If you spend these hours gathering hundreds of backlinks to 1 page only on your "new" site, Your backlinks will be NOTHING. But if you spent half of these hours building backlinks for 30 articles. 4-5 links/each and keep doing that for 1 month, you would see all your articles got ranked very well!. It isn't about how much time you spent doing internet marketing. it is about how you did it.Never Give up.Just follow good plans and good Procedures and you will see yourself making thousands of dollars soon.

P.s: Sorry for my terrible English

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zackick

12 years ago

Oh my god, it look like a battle field in here right now.

hey mado, maybe IM is not hard for you but i and million or billion of people out there struggle like hard enough to give up. but you say is not hard.....it okey for you....maybe you can teach us all here? is anyone want to know how?

i not a Japanese people and the location i put fukusima to remember people who died there, that all. yeah other language got their own style of grammar too.

yeah sundown16, it sooo hell important for me to master 1 marketing method before move on to other. now i work much more smart but not jumping around method, i just keep it on the list and when time is okey, i will begin to add it as part of my marketing effort.

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12 years ago

Yeah it all goods. Quit & work offline.

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12 years ago

The bottom line is....it just might not be your kind of job. Trying something different things, you can always come back and try again with a different mindset.

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gareth

12 years ago

nobody quits IM buddy

there is no escape

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JustinDupre

12 years ago

Maybe you are doing IM the wrong way. Anyway, I do hope you succeed in whatever it is you will be doing next.

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retirewithsandie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

This thread has nothing to do with how well he grasps the English language. Attacking him for not knowing English very well when its not his first language would just be silly. But attitude is a universal language and he conveyed that very well in his post.

Not directly, no, but he's marketing to an English speaking world. If people have to read the text multiple times to try to figure out what he's trying to say, they'll move on to another site. Some people may not give him that courtesy, they may move on after the first sentence. While the posters may have been harsh in their communication, I feel that they are correct and that outsourcing his website copy will be a major step in his eventual success.

Originally Posted by Kay King

The problem is you have someone who tries everything a little bit. He's young and impatient - and has the burden of poor English in writing at least. He doesn't need every new product or to try everything suggested - he needs to choose ONE thing and do it well until he makes it work.

There's no point to telling him all the other things "you can do". You can't do it all - and what I see is someone complaining and getting advice - but this week he's buying another WSO on a totally different "method".

If you keep starting over with one thing after another - you will always be at the "beginning" stage of your business.

I agree.

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zackick 12 years ago

Hey Guy

I just wonder anyone here did buy this ebook in here http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...raffic-6.html?

I just find it weird, i did buy the ebook since February or March and now it been almost 6 month. I not making any money yet so does ranking anykind of keyword. eventhough i did hire someone to do article writing for me but result is not appear yet.

what do you guy think about this title that use by DanTheSeoGuy "$11,285 In UNDER 1 Week & $36,500 in JUST 30 days"? does it look like hype? I did read it and thought maybe this guy could help me coz he did offer 1 year free consultation. so as a result i buy it and give it a try. I work accorddingly to the guideliness in that ebook. I did built site, hire people to write article for me(not in here lo), built massive backlink(some index but no soo much at first i thought, maybe need more time. so i patiencely built backlink until some keyword in 1 pages). happy

Result after 4 or 5 month: I went to clickbank account and check out, i am surprise. It still chicken eggs zero 0000000000.

Okey back to this ebook guy, at first 2-3 month communication is fast less than 24 hours. But now, i could hardly get reply from him for 3-4 week. Excuse given, what matter is I got coach to point out and where to fix. Now that is all matter. i okey to wait 2-3 day but it like hell waiting so long still not appear to help right now. it piss me off . i understand big guy have other than important stuff to do but please give excellence customer service.

I am not complain in here okey(yeah maybe it is a complain, so what?), i just want someone help me to get DanTheSeoGuy to contact me via here. Please
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Kay King

12 years ago

I am not complain in here okey(yeah maybe it is a complain, so what?),

Complaining is exactly what this thread is. Buying a product doesn't entitle you to personal tutoring by the seller.

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

People - this is a year old thread. He's probably gotten over that emotional state by now.

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