An Open Apology To Warrior Forum

Hi SocialMediaOwls!

No it really wasn't. It was only here at WF that I had 3 accounts.

And I only had 3 accounts here at WF for fear of seeming 'stupid' by continually asking for further explanations of questions back in 2009 (as I explained in my post at the top...)

Let me know if I can help you with anything....

Welcome back Chris! This is your 2nd chance so don't screw it up again. LOL!

Welcome back. Thanks for the resume... er, apology.

Never heard of you but - cool!! I felt so stupid when I joined I didn't ask a question for three years!! But now I am asking...and maybe will be able to answer someone's question. Congratulations on your successes....

I know I've heard your name before, in a good way. Glad to see you are back, even though I'm fairly new. I can't wait to get home and check out your site. Thanks for the honesty. It's refreshing.

Welcome back Chris. I look forward to seeing you around the forum. Congratualtions on the success that you've created with your internet marketing business!

Are you going to make a WSO called "How I did it, 7 figures a year?"

But seriously, I'd be interested!

Welcome back, it sounds like you didn't know you were doing anything wrong, in which case you have my sympathy.

Everyone deserves a second chance, and it takes a big man to stand up and apologize in public like that. I look forward to having you on the forums (again, though I wasn't here for your first round )

Welcome back

Hi Chris - welcome back. I am sure you're not the first to make that mistake and probably won't be the last.

I guess you found out how to hyperlink an image - as it was you who taught me!!!

Welcome back, hopefully Google never bans for multiple accounts

Seriously?

OP, I have 4 questions that I think would be beneficial, and, show more of the process of you obtaining success in this industry.

1. What was your occupation prior to IM

2. What was your initial investment to make IM a success

3. How many hours are you working to keep your IM business up and running vs. the number of hours you put in initially.

4. What method did you use to network/JV with the more , "well known" people in this industry. i.e, Did you just buy high end products? went to their seminars, etc?

Wow-that is a COMPLETELY different story, and assuming it's accurate, paints a far darker picture than the "apology" (not a real apology if he sugar coated his violation to make it appear a whole lot more innocent than it was).

I will be extremely interested to see if anyone challenges this, and particularly Chris' response-is this for real? If so, I need to edit my earlier post welcoming him back-this behavior he's accused of is absolutely outrageous, and makes me wonder why anyone would even consider letting such an offender back in.

Does anyone believe he was rehabilitated into an honest marketer? If so, his account of why he was banned ought to make them think twice; someone who lies in their apology for deceptive practices, has obviously not learned the lesson, and only proven himself more deceptive than originally thought.

I don't know enough about the other stuff to comment either way, but I can vouch that the stuff described above has been a royal PITA and created a lot of extra work for the mods, and continues to.

Ouch that's pretty bad stuff in my eyes.

Wow. I was just talking about this in another thread, how people do that... It also wound up in OT, but I guess in all fairness its not directly about making money soo... I do think its important to be aware of how people do these things.

Is this guy for real?

Am I crazy, or does it seem absolutely surreal that almost every post since the big bombshell above, calling Chris out for lying about why he was banned, shows a completely blase attitude about dishonesty; people are still welcoming him back, asking for advice, etc, as if nothing's changed?

What gives? Are we so anxious for success that we will ignore any wrongdoing in order to rub elbows with someone who says they earn 7 figures? A person who can't be trusted on anything else-so what makes you even take his word on how much he earns?

And always be honest - if anyone make a mistake - make immediate steps to rectify it. I am a newbie here and this is my first post. I will always be honest for every mistake i will make.

Welcome back Chris

You've been an inspiration to me for the last year or so, and I know that you have helped many Warriors make that breakthrough.

I look forward to your posts and your webinars! You break everything down into bite size pieces that even the newest newbies can understand!

All the best

....Chris, you belong here

you're one of the true good guys in the world of IM
welcome back..

Hi Chris,

How they know that you are having multiple accounts?

I kinda figured that most either hadn't read the post, or ignored it because their overwhelming drive was to get close to a 7 figure guy, but sheesh-it gets absurd-especially the ones that did read it and went right on with the friendly questions.

Edited bit: [I don't know what happened, but a few minutes ago, I couldn't for the life of me find the big bombshell of a post where Chris was called to account for lying about why he was banned-I left and came back, and it's here now-I have no idea why it was missing for me before.]

Greg

What gives! the guy comes here to say have made a mistake long time ago and you get on your high horse and bag him out, I mean have you ever not made mistake yourself and then after a few years go to the place/people and say sorry!!

The only person this affects is Chris and he wants to help out , he made a big mistake came back said sorry Allen let him back done deal.

I have know Chris for over two years and he is the person who got me to where I am today in my online business , he is the master in how to do sales videos and how to run a membership site .

I am sure there are still members here who have done the same thing as what Chris did. I think people judge to quickly with out letting the person show what they will do for the forum

Hey if he does it again (not likely) then Roast him

Jason

I agree. A genuine apology shouldn't be used as a promotional opportunity - a point that Thomas B picked up on in post #15 (before Les posted the "behind the scenes" account).

And even if the OP's version of events were the whole truth, it hardly merits such a public mea culpa, IMO. A simple apology to the forum administrators would have been sufficient, if somewhat less dramatic.

Nevertheless, the powers that be have decided to let Chris return, so we should probably trust their judgment and welcome him back. Let's hope he justifies their faith by his actions henceforth.


Frank

Peter

As others have commented you too appear to have skimmed post #50 (Now #49) as pointed out by Les

What I want to know is what happened to Chris. As soon as the posts went against his favor, he conveniently stopped commenting. Be a man!! Whats the deal??? I suppose he did what he came to do... spread more spam and take off running. :confused:

Sometimes I think they do it rather to "bury others posts" and disrupt the message, more than to increase post count.

Just when you thought it was safe . . . . . :rolleyes:

Thanks Les, Roger, Paul and others for the Paul Harvey moment... "And now the rest of the story." Some of you may be to young for the Paul Harvey reference.

My honor awareness is usually pretty top notch, but it failed me this time around. I thought what Chris posted was an honest and real apology and I thanked him for that and welcomed him back. I've never followed Chris but I was aware of him and thought based on his post that he had done the honorable, "Man Up," thing, but I was mistaken and misled.

If nothing else this has been a good lesson for me.

Good Day!

I can overlook the whole sending floods of people over here with crappy signatures thing, although I'm sure it was a major pain in the ass for the mods.

I cannot overlook the creating multiple accounts and generating false buzz about your own products though. That is about as unethical as you can get. That is not a simple mistake. That is a well thought out, deliberate ruse used to put money in your own pocket.

Maybe the product is awesome and some people would say the end justifies the means. I would never want to market myself that way though and would not trust anyone who is comfortable doing that.

I lurked here for a few years before I ever joined the forum. There was a time when I looked at the Warrior Forum as a great place to get honest opinions about products, programs, techniques, etc.

However, because of stuff like this, that time has long passed.

Well Paul I don't know. You might be right and the details left out may have been an honest mistake. Or they could have been conveniently left out. We may never know.

I tend to take a man at his word and by nature, I'm rather trusting until I have reason not to be.

I'll just continue to observe and see where it takes me.

Brian

With all due respect Paul, I'm kind of shocked that you'd call Chris' grossly dishonest self-promotion a "detail" he may have forgotten. I'm all for forgiveness-but I only forgive after full acknowledgement by the perpetrator, and strong evidence that he is genuinely remorseful, and would never do something similar. The forgetting is understandable on your part-you deal with thousands of members. But for the guy who did the dishonest deed-and was banned for years as a result; he has just one self to track, and surely he remembers such an event more accurately than the totally fake version he gave us.

The fake 3rd party question and review posts Chris made, I agree don't cross the line into "evil", but I think it's far more accurate to call it dishonest, unethical behavior, than a "detail" of a "mistake", which gives huge benefit of the doubt to a guy known to be dishonest. While what he did is not unforgivable, it seems far beyond a minor violation of some arcane forum rule, and more of a moral failing than a "mistake", certainly requiring a far more credible apology than Chris made here to convince me he's changed (and his silence since Les blew his cover story is telling).

I once worked for a very smart woman - back in the 90's - who used to say "Choose wisely the mountain you wish to die on".

To me, what that means is if you plan on getting on a "high horse" (or whatever you want to call it), to the point where you need to feel right at any cost, make sure it's for something that is actually worth it.

I never said Les was a liar. I do have a ton of respect for him as well. But the fact remains, the "criminal" who so sullied this holy forum - was punished and served his time. He was welcome back by the powers that be.

The fact that THAT doesn't seem to be good enough is what really evoked my "high horse" comment (which, by the way, was also a bit tongue-in-cheek).

My comments were not so much a "defense" of Chris, but rather a "what's the point of this anymore". It's quite obvious you feel strongly about this - and you are entitled to that. As I (and others) are entitled to disagree and say enough is enough - like the WF owner has ALREADY SAID (by allowing him to return).

What this is now is simply beating a dead horse and driving away yet ANOTHER grand source of information with all of the negative, holier-than-thou attitudes. I would much rather read some of Chris's knowledgeable posts then so many of the B.S. one-liners that offer no value that we get now. So, as you can see, my reasoning and "defense" is purely selfish - I can assure you

Hope that clears things a bit

Wow, that's a boatload of posts man! I don't always do subtlety too well. I like things to be explicit. So please tell me, are you as a mod, singling me out for a warning, that my particular opinion is unwelcome and I'd better shut up, or do you mean to simply literally suggest that we ALL let it go?

I have no wish to drag this out, but nor do I want to stifle myself, as I try hard to make my posts clear, logical, fair and fact based, and have real value, but I'd rather shut up if the consequences of expressing myself are getting in trouble with the forum I love.

Your self reflection is great, but I get the impression you want me to make a similar confession, but we don't know each other, and probably have different strengths and weaknesses. I hope you'll forgive me if I don't offer the same confession. I have my own problems to be sure, but this is not the time or place for me to feel comfortable exploring them-during an argument with people I don't know, and they are not relevant to the facts of this discussion. I do not feel that I'm looking for a whipping boy-I really did find Les' post shocking, and found the widespread minimization of it, and the arguing it without naming it, even more so.

Below are the original words I wrote, in case you agree with those who think I'm a hard hearted, unforgiving person. I think forgiveness is great, but way premature when someone has not even acknowledged what they really did-instead painting a much rosier picture. When I thought he was telling the truth, before Les explicitly called him on the dishonesty (not the forgetfulness-Les made no allowance for that and I totally agree-it's not at all believable you'd forget something like giving yourself fake testimonials-way too elaborate of a deception, and then getting kicked out of this forum for it would drive it further home-unless you had an issue like Alzheimer's or brain injury, which nobody is suggesting), my reaction was completely forgiving, as you can see from my first post in the thread:

"Totally understandable, even though it was a violation. I believe that you intended no harm, nor did it to give yourself testimonials, or anything like that; just trying to avoid the embarrassment of asking what might be seen as "dumb" questions-boy can I relate!

It is awesome to hear of your great success, and I'm glad they let you back in. Hope to get to know you this time-congrats on your success, and your "rehabilitation" as a WF member. "

So since you're all about forgiveness, please forgive me if your suggestion for us all to let it go was really meant as a ban against me personally expressing myself in the thread-I'll edit this if you find it offensive-though I'm just trying to be honest-not whip anyone.

Patrician, We could be mistaken, though. Relying on memory is notoriously tricky. Les is much better at it than most people, but we all mix our emotional responses with the things that happened to create the memory. That can color things after a while.

As far as the template siege, Gaz' explanation is certainly a credible theory. One that has the advantage of coming from someone who's actually seen the product. Barring an equally credible rebuttal, I'm prepared to accept that as a working premise.


Paul