An Open Apology To Warrior Forum

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An Open Apology To Warrior Forum....

Hello - Chris Farrell here.

I have not been here in Warrior Forum for 2 years or so.

And there is good reason.

I was banned.

However - I have now been allowed back - and I'd like to apologize publicly to Warrior Forum.

The very quick backstory....

As some may know - I was brand new to this business in 2008.

I literally knew no one or nothing about it (other than I wanted to get involved).

I now have a 7 figure a year web business. It has however taken a LOT of work (as we all know) -- and I have made some mistakes along the way.

One - I made here in Warrior Forum - resulting in me being banned.

I'd like to - if I may - explain what happened - and apologize publicly.

Back in 2009 - I was learning as much as I could about this bizz (I still am)

And I would post here most days - asking questions and helping when I could.

However -- often I would want further clarification on questions that I had asked.

I remember one particular example -- I wanted to understand how to make an image a hyperlink.

I would get some answers -- but I always needed further clarification (yes maybe I'm a bit slow....)

The cold brutal truth is -- I just felt 'stupid' continuing to ask further questions as me - so I created two other Warrior Accounts.

I would then ask further questions -- if I wanted further help/illumination -- using one of my other accounts.

There was nothing Machiavellian or under-hand about this -- I simply was embarrassed to keep asking as 'me' for more help.

I also did post a few times - asking if others had heard of my website. This I am extremely embarrassed about now - 2 years on - and I wanted to apologize.

Can I add however I did not do this to bump up a thread or a WSO (in fact I have never had a WSO).

WF (understandably) then banned me for using multiple accounts.

Anyhow -- it was getting to the point that I was getting really embarrassed about this ban -- particularly as I am now working with many thought and industry leaders in this bizz (Alex Mandossian - Gary Vaynerchuck - T Harv Eker - Brain Tracy - Mike Filsaime...to name but a few).

So I asked the powers here at WF to reconsider -- and they have.

So - the lesson learned?

When using any third party service/site/application -- ALWAYS stick to their rules.

And always be honest - if you make a mistake - make immediate steps to rectify it. Most people are naturally forgiving if it really was an error.

Anyway - I wanted to apologize for this.

So - thank you to WF for having me back -- and if I can help anyone at anytime -- please do not hesitate to let me know. I really do mean that.

Kindest

Chris Farrell
#apology #forum #open #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author gmil88
    Welcome back Chris!

    I'm currently going through your 21 days to success program and loving it!

    Take care
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Welcome back Man, and good advice too!
    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Stankiewicz
    Welcome back Chris, I am a big fan of your courses. You taught me the way of the list, sensei.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ted_B
      Glad to see you back here, Chris. I too have been a student of yours in the past, and you've taught me a great deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Why are you apologizing to us? It seems like a very simple misunderstanding...
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Farrell
      Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

      He's apologizing because this forum was one of most likely many of multiple account advertising he was using
      Hi SocialMediaOwls!

      No it really wasn't. It was only here at WF that I had 3 accounts.

      And I only had 3 accounts here at WF for fear of seeming 'stupid' by continually asking for further explanations of questions back in 2009 (as I explained in my post at the top...)

      Let me know if I can help you with anything....
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Glad you are back and that you were forgiven for your mistakes. The Warriors in power do have hearts lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author EA
    Welcome back Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew S
    Hey Chris its all good

    now if you want some help on how to make an img link jus pm me
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      Welcome back Chris! This is your 2nd chance so don't screw it up again. LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author cyneL
    Hey,

    Another welcome back message from me even though I wasn't around when you were previously here it's still nice to have another IM 'God' on the forums!

    However It's little strange how minutes after I first discovered your website and started to watch your free content on your website while wondering why I discovered you before now you pop-up here on the forums. Just like to say that the content on your website is very helpful for 'lowbobs' in IM and I'm currently deciding whether or not to become a member!

    ~ Jake
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Chris, good to see you.

    Maybe Paul or another mod can speak about this, but I didn't think multiple WF accounts was a 'bannable' offense unless it appeared the accounts were working together. Such as account #1 offering a testimonial for a WSO offered by account #2.

    Because, Chris, what you say makes a lot of sense. There's been times I've asked myself - do "I" want to ask this?

    .
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Welcome back. Thanks for the resume... er, apology.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Welcome back Chris! You were an inspiration when I first started a few years ago and I have been a member of your site in the past. Thanks for coming back and explaining.

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    • Profile picture of the author dibee
      Never heard of you but - cool!! I felt so stupid when I joined I didn't ask a question for three years!! But now I am asking...and maybe will be able to answer someone's question. Congratulations on your successes....
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Chris, Welcome back!

    I also wondered where you went?

    It's good to see you back.

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author deannatroupe
    Chris welcome back. Thanks for being so honest about what went down.
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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    Welcome back Chris, I have been following you and would say whatever mistakes you have made to cause embarrassment, have been overshadowed by later success and help given to others.

    I have always found it best to face the music and say " I am sorry " when I've done something wrong, it is always the best thing to do.

    Wishing you continued growth and success.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jaymark
    Hey Chris. Welcome back. I've been very impressed with your work and the assistance you provide. Will certainly be looking forward to learning from you from your posts. Looking forward to your input.
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  • Profile picture of the author aspiepower
    So, you're back to ask how to hyperlink an image?



    Welcome back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natausha
    I'm glad that you're back and also that you made this post. I think quite a few people are afraid to post and sound stupid. I know that is the main reason that my account is so new and my post count is so low even though I've been hanging around WF for a couple years now. This post is also a bit of a lesson in making sure to be genuine because being sneaky in this business will come back to bite you even if you aren't really trying to hurt anyone.

    Welcome Back!
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    • Profile picture of the author melodyx
      I know I've heard your name before, in a good way. Glad to see you are back, even though I'm fairly new. I can't wait to get home and check out your site. Thanks for the honesty. It's refreshing.
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    Welcome back Chris! That's fantastic to hear about your success in the internet business.
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  • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
    Hey Chris!

    Glad you came back to the forum apologies accepted!

    I know you got plenty of knowledge and your presence here will be very helpful for many people here

    Cheers Bro!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    Welcome back! Congratulations on your 7 figure per year business, must be a joy !
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoria Gates
    Welcome back! We ALL make mistakes.. I know I have.. and it takes guts to admit it and even more guts to apologize.
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    Welcome back Chris!
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    • Profile picture of the author Paula Mae
      Welcome back Chris. I look forward to seeing you around the forum. Congratualtions on the success that you've created with your internet marketing business!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jim X
        Wow Chris. I had no idea. I recently started participating on this forum and one of the first things I did was search your name!

        I've been on your list for over a year now and have learned so much.You have taught me almost everything I know about IM.

        When I saw your name, I was going to send you a PM saying "Hi" but I don't have enough posts to send PM's yet.

        It's so good to see you on this forum and I look forward to seeing more of you on here as time passes!

        Thanks for everything,
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        • Profile picture of the author Zanti
          Good to have you back my brother.

          You've come back sharing a great lesson; that being honorable is the way to grow your business and your life.

          Much success to you Chris and looking forward to more of your sharing.

          Irie to the highest... respect.

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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    Totally understandable, even though it was a violation. I believe that you intended no harm, nor did it to give yourself testimonials, or anything like that; just trying to avoid the embarrassment of asking what might be seen as "dumb" questions-boy can I relate!

    It is awesome to hear of your great success, and I'm glad they let you back in. Hope to get to know you this time-congrats on your success, and your "rehabilitation" as a WF member.

    Edit: The above was my initial reaction based on believing Chris' story. Les' shocking revelations in post #49 which totally contradicted what I said originally, making me think I, and many others, were totally duped, and changed my mind about Chris. I have yet to see a single person who challenged Les' credibility, even among Chris' most enthusiastic defenders. To those who think I started out with a hostile attitude toward Chris, does the above sound to you like I'm a hater?
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  • Profile picture of the author BJ Min
    welcome back and much props on you building a 7 figure business...i remember you used to make six figures a year...now 7 figures...i want to get to your level like you one day...

    bj
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    • Profile picture of the author Anthony Phillips
      Are you going to make a WSO called "How I did it, 7 figures a year?"

      But seriously, I'd be interested!

      Welcome back, it sounds like you didn't know you were doing anything wrong, in which case you have my sympathy.
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      • Profile picture of the author EvolBaby
        Originally Posted by Anthony Phillips View Post

        Are you going to make a WSO called "How I did it, 7 figures a year?"

        But seriously, I'd be interested!

        Welcome back, it sounds like you didn't know you were doing anything wrong, in which case you have my sympathy.
        What he said. Bust out that WSO!
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        • Profile picture of the author angelast
          Welcome back to WF Chris! Glad to see you are back.

          BTW, I learned a lot from the many months I spent on your membership site.

          You are definitely an personal inspiration of what is possible with persistence,
          determination and a true sense of caring about others.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by Chris Farrell View Post

    WF (understandably) then banned me for using multiple accounts.
    Can the real Chris Farrell please stand up?

    I know, the Warrior Forum doesn't accommodate very well for those of us with split personalities. On this forum I am only allowed one.
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  • Profile picture of the author skyblue777
    Congrats on the return from exile. Lot's of respect for the apology. It's nice to see some humility from someone doing so well online.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Hey mate - bit of a fan of yours. Im still amazed at how quickly you've turned your business into such high success. I started back in 2008 as well (October), and Im nowhere near 7 figures. Not even close....

    It will be great having such an awesome mind around the forum.

    Hope you make it habit to stop in and share your knowledge with us all.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellymccausey
    I don't know you but I admire your open apology. Too many folks would go forward without ever taking responsibility for past mistakes or ignorance. It shows character
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      Everyone deserves a second chance, and it takes a big man to stand up and apologize in public like that. I look forward to having you on the forums (again, though I wasn't here for your first round )

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    Welcome back!
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    • Profile picture of the author Janet Matthews
      Hi Chris - welcome back. I am sure you're not the first to make that mistake and probably won't be the last.

      I guess you found out how to hyperlink an image - as it was you who taught me!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Can we have some drinks now? Welcome back mate. Looking forward to see you more active here.
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      Welcome back, hopefully Google never bans for multiple accounts
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
    We all make mistakes Chris and when we own up to them it gives you a sense of pride. Apologising to people about those mistakes should always in my opinion solve the issue and i'll look forward to your posts in the future and well done.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Chris Farrell View Post

    So - the lesson learned?

    ALWAYS stick to their rules.

    And always be honest
    You could have been honest in this thread Chris
    and told the real reasons you were banned.

    You were using multiple accounts to first ask if anyone
    has heard of your membership site, then using other accounts
    to give yourself glowing reports, which is known as shilling.

    You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
    to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
    all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
    They are still doing it to this day.

    If people are going to start threads like this, I think it is only
    fair that they tell the whole truth, not just a small part of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      You could have been honest in this thread Chris
      and told the real reasons you were banned.

      You were using multiple accounts to first ask if anyone
      has heard of your membership site, then using other accounts
      to give yourself glowing reports, which is known as shilling.

      You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
      to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
      all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
      They are still doing it to this day.

      If people are going to start threads like this, I think it is only
      fair that they tell the whole truth, not just a small part of it.
      Seriously?

      OP, I have 4 questions that I think would be beneficial, and, show more of the process of you obtaining success in this industry.

      1. What was your occupation prior to IM

      2. What was your initial investment to make IM a success

      3. How many hours are you working to keep your IM business up and running vs. the number of hours you put in initially.

      4. What method did you use to network/JV with the more , "well known" people in this industry. i.e, Did you just buy high end products? went to their seminars, etc?
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      You could have been honest in this thread Chris
      and told the real reasons you were banned.

      You were using multiple accounts to first ask if anyone
      has heard of your membership site, then using other accounts
      to give yourself glowing reports, which is known as shilling.

      You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
      to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
      all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
      They are still doing it to this day.

      If people are going to start threads like this, I think it is only
      fair that they tell the whole truth, not just a small part of it.
      Wow-that is a COMPLETELY different story, and assuming it's accurate, paints a far darker picture than the "apology" (not a real apology if he sugar coated his violation to make it appear a whole lot more innocent than it was).

      I will be extremely interested to see if anyone challenges this, and particularly Chris' response-is this for real? If so, I need to edit my earlier post welcoming him back-this behavior he's accused of is absolutely outrageous, and makes me wonder why anyone would even consider letting such an offender back in.

      Does anyone believe he was rehabilitated into an honest marketer? If so, his account of why he was banned ought to make them think twice; someone who lies in their apology for deceptive practices, has obviously not learned the lesson, and only proven himself more deceptive than originally thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post


      You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
      to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
      all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
      They are still doing it to this day.
      I don't know enough about the other stuff to comment either way, but I can vouch that the stuff described above has been a royal PITA and created a lot of extra work for the mods, and continues to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      You could have been honest in this thread Chris
      and told the real reasons you were banned.

      You were using multiple accounts to first ask if anyone
      has heard of your membership site, then using other accounts
      to give yourself glowing reports, which is known as shilling.

      You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
      to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
      all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
      They are still doing it to this day.

      If people are going to start threads like this, I think it is only
      fair that they tell the whole truth, not just a small part of it.
      Ouch that's pretty bad stuff in my eyes.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      You could have been honest in this thread Chris
      and told the real reasons you were banned.

      You were using multiple accounts to first ask if anyone
      has heard of your membership site, then using other accounts
      to give yourself glowing reports, which is known as shilling.

      You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
      to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
      all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
      They are still doing it to this day.

      If people are going to start threads like this, I think it is only
      fair that they tell the whole truth, not just a small part of it.
      Wow. I was just talking about this in another thread, how people do that... It also wound up in OT, but I guess in all fairness its not directly about making money soo... I do think its important to be aware of how people do these things.

      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      Why are you apologizing to us? It seems like a very simple misunderstanding...
      Is this guy for real?
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFunction
    Maybe that apology should of gone to the owners and not members as there the one,s who you deceived more so than a member asking for help and with a question.

    Hope you have learnt now Google is a great place for a ton of newbie questions
    have you ever spoken about it publicly to your students as this is maybe another thing you could teach them........

    I feel there is more to your open apology, Tell whats up your sleeve ??

    Can I ask you Chris with your course!

    have you got success stories out there as I have not heard of none yet!

    you are into 7 figures you say ?? good for you and let me know if there is success stories cause it makes the money more justified if there is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by weedogroup View Post

      Maybe that apology should of gone to the owners and not members as there the one,s who you deceived more so than a member asking for help and with a question.

      Hope you have learnt now Google is a great place for a ton of newbie questions
      have you ever spoken about it publicly to your students as this is maybe another thing you could teach them........

      I feel there is more to your open apology, Tell whats up your sleeve ??

      Can I ask you Chris with your course!

      have you got success stories out there as I have not heard of none yet!

      you are into 7 figures you say ?? good for you and let me know if there is success stories cause it makes the money more justified if there is.
      Am I crazy, or does it seem absolutely surreal that almost every post since the big bombshell above, calling Chris out for lying about why he was banned, shows a completely blase attitude about dishonesty; people are still welcoming him back, asking for advice, etc, as if nothing's changed?

      What gives? Are we so anxious for success that we will ignore any wrongdoing in order to rub elbows with someone who says they earn 7 figures? A person who can't be trusted on anything else-so what makes you even take his word on how much he earns?
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      • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        Am I crazy, or does it seem absolutely surreal that almost every post since the big bombshell above, calling Chris out for lying about why he was banned, shows a completely blase attitude about dishonesty; people are still welcoming him back, asking for advice, etc, as if nothing's changed?

        What gives? Are we so anxious for success that we will ignore any wrongdoing in order to rub elbows with someone who says they earn 7 figures? A person who can't be trusted on anything else-so what makes you even take his word on how much he earns?
        I can't speak for others, but, my reasoning was I don't know who iggibon is, never read any post from him until that one. However, I seen the moderator Ken ,(whom I recognize), back up iggibon story. I asked because I didn't know either iggibon, nor Chris, and, thought Chris would come back to clear things up. Obviously that didn't happen.

        As far as ethics are concerned. Nothing is as it seems behind a screen. Someone who you may not even realize is unethical you could be praising. We just don't know. We do the best we can based on where we at in life. Chris mentioned he made 7 figures in 2 years online as well as succeeded within 6 months of marketing, so, that fascinates people. Whether it is right, or, not to be welcomed back, ask for advice etc... I am sure you understand human nature
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
          Originally Posted by Team X View Post

          I can't speak for others, but, my reasoning was I don't know who iggibon is, never read any post from him until that one. However, I seen the moderator Ken ,(whom I recognize), back up iggibon story. I asked because I didn't know either iggibon, nor Chris, and, thought Chris would come back to clear things up. Obviously that didn't happen.
          Les Gibbons (lgibbon) has been a moderator of the Warrior Forum for a long time. I'm not sure if he's still a super mod but he has been in the past so he has looked behind the WF curtain.

          And IMO he's also a no BS, tell-it-like it is Warrior. So yea I put more weight to what he says vs. OP.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi,

            Interesting.

            At the end of the day, I'm reasonably forgiving.

            But as a non-mod who does participate in using the report button, I can vouch for others that for a sustained period of time Chris's name was etched in my mind as the person who was sending what seemed like hundreds of newbs here per day, all of them making the one liner type of posts that warrant a report.

            The posts were clearly newb contributions, yet the sig files all said something resembling -

            'Here's how I make a living online' or 'Here's how you can leave your job' and if I remember correctly, they all went to the same kind of boiler-plate website.

            So what was offensive was that seemingly every single one of them was doing the incongruence thing - they were clearly wet-behind-the-ears-newbs but for some reason were all green enough to think that it was a good idea to come to the warrior forum and tell blatant lies in order to get sig link clicks.

            They didn't have the naus to realise that (at that time) most of us weren't green so their sig link offering along with the BS advice they tried to offer on threads was of no use to us whatsoever - it was a pointless endeavour from the start.

            We also saw the same type of occurrence from the PIPs newbs for a short period once, but Patrician acted quickly once she was aware and quickly corralled them all back into the correct forum and forbid them from coming into main discussion.

            In fairness to Chris, there are many successful IMs who have come here in the past and participated in things that caused issues for the forum and also plenty who have caused issues for IMers in general. This is a business where a lot of successful people have closets rattling with the bones of past promotions.

            My main point is that I witnessed the deluge of members which was a problem for anyone moderating or trying to keep the forum in a decent state, as Les has mentioned.

            I guess Chris wanted a viral affiliate push to launch his business, used forums within his training material (perhaps this one specifically, I have no idea) and didn't 'turn off the tap' once it became apparent that they were flooding in here causing issues.

            So in my personal opinion, I respect the decisions of the admins here but I reckon he deserves a good flaming until he starts being more honest and giving something back.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Alan,
              Les Gibbons (lgibbon) has been a moderator of the Warrior Forum for a long time. I'm not sure if he's still a super mod but he has been in the past so he has looked behind the WF curtain.

              And IMO he's also a no BS, tell-it-like it is Warrior. So yea I put more weight to what he says vs. OP.
              Les and I disagree on a whole lot of things, but he's done more for this forum than most members ever will hope to. And his memory for detail is unbelievably precise.

              I can say that I have personally deleted thousands (yes, literally thousands) of posts that had links to Chris' affiliate offer in them. Either in the sig file or in the bodies of the messages. I have turned off the sig files of dozens of members who refused to take the "No affiliate links" hint and re-posted Chris' offer.

              He may have the best deal since sliced bread or the worst since Bernie Madoff. I don't know. But he clearly instructed people to hit forums with their affiliate links, and that's not allowed here.

              The posted rules are very clear about it, and have been for years.

              He's doing well without us. I wish him continued success, as he's clearly done a lot of good for a lot of people. The violations aren't "evil" in any way, but they're violations of our established rules nonetheless. And we will continue to enforce them as we have since that rule was posted.

              A lot of very smart people make recommendations without understanding the impact of those suggestions. That doesn't mean you bash them, or that you let them keep bashing you. No matter how unintended the bashing might be.


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      And always be honest - if anyone make a mistake - make immediate steps to rectify it. I am a newbie here and this is my first post. I will always be honest for every mistake i will make.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Morrod
      Welcome back Chris

      You've been an inspiration to me for the last year or so, and I know that you have helped many Warriors make that breakthrough.

      I look forward to your posts and your webinars! You break everything down into bite size pieces that even the newest newbies can understand!

      All the best
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Gaz,
        Another point I see mentioned here actually by Paul where he says that Chris tells his students to come here and post his affilaite links and that again is inaccurate and the opposite is the real truth and I can't count the amount of times Chris and his team have posted on there forum to NOT come to WF and post a sig link.
        Are you sure that isn't a more recent development? Or does he promote it for other forums? I have rarely seen so many people so tenaciously promoting a cloned "partner" site the way they do Chris' templates.

        I seem to recall several notes claiming he gave that advice, along with a pointer to where.

        Mike,
        Hey Paul - the problem isn't the amount of storage- it's the ability to retrieve it
        Have I told you today that you're a smartass?
        He learned his lesson. He was granted his account back. Let it go...life goes on.
        Amen, brother. We have too many people with too long memories and too little understanding of the learning curve.

        I've seen more than enough mention of Chris in the "Who was most helpful to you" threads to believe he deserves some slack for a years-old screw-up, whether deliberate or born of inexperience.


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        • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Gaz,Are you sure that isn't a more recent development? Or does he promote it for other forums? I have rarely seen so many people so tenaciously promoting a cloned "partner" site the way they do Chris' templates.

          I seem to recall several notes claiming he gave that advice, along with a pointer to where.

          Paul
          Hey Paul

          I can only go from how long I have been a member over there and that is 10 months and at NO time have I EVER seen a video, article or any instruction telling anyone to come here and post a sig in fact its the complete opposite.

          What i have seen is students posting on his forum saying there sig was deleted from here and INSTANTLY his team come on and say DON'T DO IT its a constant battle and I feel for ya Paul but I think where the issue comes from is in the Forum Marketing lesson where it is mentioned that here and another forum was where Chris used to post and built a decent sized list by doing so.

          Since this is probably one of the only negatve things I have ever read about Chris with regards to forum marketing and its breeding bad feeling with forum mods etc it might be an idea to redo that section and just reiterate how not to do it specifically mentioning here and another forum that is also mentioned which has the same problem.

          Since those are the only 2 mentioned by name as examples, leads me to beleive that is where the problem lies not that they are being instructed to do it.

          He teaches the basic lesson on how to behave on forums what not to do how to become part of the community, add value then and only then add a sig line, but unfortunatley I think the newbies as we know dont always follow what is taught but for sure in all the time I have been over there I have never once seen in writing nor viewed in a video anywhere where it was said come here or any other forum and just place a sig, complete opposite in fact.

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    • Profile picture of the author sundown16
      ....Chris, you belong here

      you're one of the true good guys in the world of IM
      welcome back..
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    • Profile picture of the author aridz
      Hi Chris,

      How they know that you are having multiple accounts?
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by aridz View Post

        Hi Chris,

        How they know that you are having multiple accounts?
        They can check IP addresses and they have video cameras in your home and car.

        You may even have one in your bedroom.

        The Warrior Forum are everywhere.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Davis
          I'm kinda new here but didn't i read somewhere in the rues that you could get banned for flaming other people? Maybe not i'm not sure but i think that this is a great place to learn and achieve your goals through help from other people and utilities and guides available.

          I have learned a long time ago if you leave your attitude at the doorstep before entering then you will be the one that walks away a better person! Hats off to you Chris.
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  • Profile picture of the author Manoj V
    Welcome back Chris! You're a star and surely will be able to add great value to the discussions here. Hope everyone is able to learn something new regularly with such distinguished membership :-).
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Guess what Greg G - people don't read the threads.

    Their only interest is to post something - anything - anywhere.

    I call them drive-by posters' - sorta like graffiti -

    Sometimes they just bother to read the original post which is something at least.

    Sometimes they don't even have a signature link we can say they are trying to get a back link for -

    Then of course there are always the sacharin patronizers who see 'big wheels' - don't bother with the facts, just exploit any opportunity to gain favor.

    As for your comments about lying in the apology - that IS pretty shocking - and pathetic.

    ... and sorta like foot in mouth disease.

    I am so glad that Les Gibbons is blatantly honest! A true WARRIOR!


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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Guess what Greg G - people don't read the threads.

      Their only interest is to post something - anything - anywhere.

      I call them drive-by posters' - sorta like graffiti -

      Sometimes they just bother to read the original post which is something at least.

      Sometimes they don't even have a signature link we can say they are trying to get a back link for -

      Then of course there are always the sacharin patronizers who see 'big wheels' - don't bother with the facts, just exploit any opportunity to gain favor.

      As for your comments about lying in the apology - that IS pretty shocking - and pathetic.

      ... and sorta like foot in mouth disease.

      I am so glad that Les Gibbons is blatantly honest! A true WARRIOR!

      Would you trust this Chris Farrell guy with your credit card number or ha ha social security number now?

      Welcome to the Worrier Forum Flame Grill and BBQ.
      I kinda figured that most either hadn't read the post, or ignored it because their overwhelming drive was to get close to a 7 figure guy, but sheesh-it gets absurd-especially the ones that did read it and went right on with the friendly questions.

      Edited bit: [I don't know what happened, but a few minutes ago, I couldn't for the life of me find the big bombshell of a post where Chris was called to account for lying about why he was banned-I left and came back, and it's here now-I have no idea why it was missing for me before.]
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Greg

      What gives! the guy comes here to say have made a mistake long time ago and you get on your high horse and bag him out, I mean have you ever not made mistake yourself and then after a few years go to the place/people and say sorry!!

      The only person this affects is Chris and he wants to help out , he made a big mistake came back said sorry Allen let him back done deal.

      I have know Chris for over two years and he is the person who got me to where I am today in my online business , he is the master in how to do sales videos and how to run a membership site .

      I am sure there are still members here who have done the same thing as what Chris did. I think people judge to quickly with out letting the person show what they will do for the forum

      Hey if he does it again (not likely) then Roast him

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      • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        Patrician

        What gives! the guy comes here say have made a mistake long time ago and you get on your high horse and bag him out, I mean have you made mistake and after a few years go to the place/people and say sorry!!

        The only person this affects is Chris and he wants to help out the guy has seen he made a big mistake came back said sorry Allen let him back done deal.

        I have know Chris for over two years and he is the person who got me to where I am today in my online business , he is the master in how to do sales videos and how to run a membership site .

        I am sure there are still members here who have done the same thing as what Chris did. I think people judge to quickly with out letting the person show what they will do for the forum

        Hey if he does it again (not likely) then Roast him

        Jason
        Jason - please read the WHOLE thread (especially post #50 from Les)

        **EDIT** As pointed out by Les - It is now Post #49
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        • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
          Originally Posted by pjCheviot View Post

          Jason - please read the WHOLE thread (especially post #50 from Les)
          PJ

          I did read the whole thread , I did not want come across as a member of his site as I have not been for over 1 yr , but during my time there never was I asked to spam this forum or any other , all I am saying is let the guy be made a mistake move on.

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          • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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            Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

            PJ

            I did read the whole thread , I did not want come across as a member of his site as I have not been for over 1 yr , but during my time there never was I asked to spam this forum or any other , all I am saying is let the guy be made a mistake move on.

            Jason
            So you still don't get what Patricia is talking about :confused:
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            • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
              Originally Posted by pjCheviot View Post

              So you still don't get what Patricia is talking about :confused:
              PJ

              I did read it lol :rolleyes: I can blame the meds I am on ( Gout ) guess I will go back and ajust the post

              Cheers
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            • Profile picture of the author Patrician
              Originally Posted by pjCheviot View Post

              So you still don't get what Patricia is talking about :confused:
              LOL PJ - I get that a lot! :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
                Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

                LOL PJ - I get that a lot! :rolleyes:
                Patrician

                Better clear that quote up , PJ was letting me know that I had the bull by the arse lol , the original post had you name on it but I changed it to Greg's

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                • Profile picture of the author Patrician
                  Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

                  Patrician

                  Better clear that quote up , PJ was letting me know that I had the bull by the arse lol , the original post had you name on it but I changed it to Greg's

                  Jason

                  Hi Jason - all i can say is arrgggh or maybe splorf - I have no idea what we are talking about!?! LOL.

                  My only clue is that I am pretty sure when PJ wrote that comment to you, PJ was referring to my post where I address Greg's post here: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post4240778

                  So, what-evah - it's a Worrier Forum Who IS on first routine!

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                  • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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                    Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

                    Hi Jason - all i can say is arrgggh or maybe splorf - I have no idea what we are talking about!?! LOL.

                    My only clue is that I am pretty sure when PJ wrote that comment to you, PJ was referring to my post where I address Greg's post here: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post4240778

                    So, what-evah - it's a Worrier Forum Who IS on first routine!

                    heheheheh
                    Patricia

                    I'm really not sure that Jason got what I was saying either - so he actually just changed the name from you to Greg to confuse us all :confused:

                    Seems he did a pretty good job

                    Ah well . . . . .
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    Chris, Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to approach the WF admin and sort things out with them and then for coming on the forum and making a public apology. What might be a good next step in your penance is to create a WSO of how you reached 7 figs a year, teaching us all how to do the same... and make it available to us all for free. LOL.... Just kidding... but then again.....

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    You could have been honest in this thread Chris
    and told the real reasons you were banned.

    You were using multiple accounts to first ask if anyone
    has heard of your membership site, then using other accounts
    to give yourself glowing reports, which is known as shilling.

    You also decided to use the forum as a place to send your affiliates
    to post hundreds and hundreds of one line junk posts,
    all with identical sig files that lead to your site.
    They are still doing it to this day.

    If people are going to start threads like this, I think it is only
    fair that they tell the whole truth, not just a small part of it.


    Ooops, I didn't see this post the first time I made a comment myself. Certainly paints a different picture of what went down a couple of years back. There are always two sides to a story and I for one would like to have some moderator input on what actually took place. How can we verify what happened?
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  • Profile picture of the author jakdwak
    I know where you're coming from. To keep myself honest this time around the internet business, I incorporated the policy of putting my real face up on everything I do, except a recent Twitter account... but that's another story.

    I appreciate the honesty.

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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Welcome back Chris
    How could I not forgive my first teacher after all if I had not found the link in the email things would have been a lot diff, we all make mistakes so its time to move on and enjoy life

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  • Profile picture of the author Goldenboy
    Welcome back Chris.
    Wow, your story will surely give other people here in WF lessons that they should learn. And I would like to say Thank you to for sharing your story since we will learn from it. Thanks again and Keep going on a positive outlook.
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  • Profile picture of the author mllnsgrl
    Well, what can I say after reading this thread.. And yes, I did read it. I'm human and have mixed feelings here (and my own problems, so this doesn't affect me on a monumental level). Can really feel for both.

    What was done was definitely wrong, horrible, deceiving, ruthless, careless, stupid, ??despicable??... I'm not going to hate this man, or blacklist him.

    After all..... he has done some good, hasn't he? Others are saying so. I do get the feeling that he wants to help others and not just rake them over the coals.

    They let him back in, didn't they? They must have thought this through, right?

    I'd like to forgive, move on, weed out what doesn't serve me, and focus on the positive now.

    Chris, I don't know you, but will only focus on your good side, lol

    Just my 2..
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    For those baseball fans in the States, this reminds me of the Jason Giambi "apology"...
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I say beware of any apology that comes accompanied with a sig file link. Especially when it is also accompanied with a newly found "7 figure income". If op is sorry...who cares. If he isn't...who cares. But someone making 7 figures should know better than to return in this fashion.

    If ye be truly sorry for being a scammer then prove thyself by your fruits not thy words.

    Besides this entire thread doesn't even make sense. OP tells a half truth and then gives his sig file claiming he has a seven figure income and also voted the #1 IM'er?

    I smell baloney in the air.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      I say beware of any apology that comes accompanied with a sig file link.
      I agree. A genuine apology shouldn't be used as a promotional opportunity - a point that Thomas B picked up on in post #15 (before Les posted the "behind the scenes" account).

      And even if the OP's version of events were the whole truth, it hardly merits such a public mea culpa, IMO. A simple apology to the forum administrators would have been sufficient, if somewhat less dramatic.

      Nevertheless, the powers that be have decided to let Chris return, so we should probably trust their judgment and welcome him back. Let's hope he justifies their faith by his actions henceforth.


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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Gehr
    Thanks for the explanation and apology.

    It can be humbling to accept that mistakes are made from time to time, and it's great to see that you've had the guts to come forward and apologize.

    We all make mistakes and no one is perfect, and to move forward and grow from them is the key.

    Good man--good luck with all your ventures.

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    • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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      Originally Posted by Peter Gehr View Post

      Thanks for the explanation and apology.

      It can be humbling to accept that mistakes are made from time to time, and it's great to see that you've had the guts to come forward and apologize.

      We all make mistakes and no one is perfect, and to move forward and grow from them is the key.

      Good man--good luck with all your ventures.

      Peter
      Peter

      As others have commented you too appear to have skimmed post #50 (Now #49) as pointed out by Les
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by pjCheviot View Post

        Peter

        As others have commented you too appear to have skimmed post #50
        It seems to have moved to post #49 now Peter.
        Maybe a "welcome back" vanished in embaressment.
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        • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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          Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

          It seems to have moved to post #49 now Peter.
          Maybe a "welcome back" vanished in embaressment.
          Thanks, Les

          And after the last two posts from Roger & Paul there will possibly be a few more vanish and I'll have to edit again

          What got to me in this thread was the fact that people posting (particularly after your original post #?? :p) were obviously skimming and simply taking the OP at face value.

          Ah well . . . .
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Gold
    Everyone else has said "welcome back" and I felt a little left out so here's a "Welcome Back" from me too!
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  • Profile picture of the author rantopad
    welcome back you feel so sorry for what happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    eeeeewwww - drive by posters

    fun to realize they don't improve their post count here!

    muwahahaha
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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Johnson
      What I want to know is what happened to Chris. As soon as the posts went against his favor, he conveniently stopped commenting. Be a man!! Whats the deal??? I suppose he did what he came to do... spread more spam and take off running. :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      eeeeewwww - drive by posters

      fun to realize they don't improve their post count here!

      muwahahaha
      Sometimes I think they do it rather to "bury others posts" and disrupt the message, more than to increase post count.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yeah - and I forgot one of them has a signature link so there's a clue to that brilliant message posted without reading.

    eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww trolls.


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  • Profile picture of the author EricDelano
    Wow that's big of you to apologize. I'm new here and I can learn from what you written here. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    Hi Chris- i dont know who you are , but good to meet you. If you are making that kind of $ , we will collectively forgive you when you share your secrets here (for free!)

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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      Originally Posted by JGrahamHCH12 View Post

      And always be honest - if anyone make a mistake - make immediate steps to rectify it. I am a newbie here and this is my first post. I will always be honest for every mistake i will make.
      Originally Posted by martyJames View Post

      Hi Chris- i dont know who you are , but good to meet you. If you are making that kind of $ , we will collectively forgive you when you share your secrets here (for free!)

      Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Zanti
      Thanks Les, Roger, Paul and others for the Paul Harvey moment... "And now the rest of the story." Some of you may be to young for the Paul Harvey reference.

      My honor awareness is usually pretty top notch, but it failed me this time around. I thought what Chris posted was an honest and real apology and I thanked him for that and welcomed him back. I've never followed Chris but I was aware of him and thought based on his post that he had done the honorable, "Man Up," thing, but I was mistaken and misled.

      If nothing else this has been a good lesson for me.

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    Welcome back Chris.
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    Ausome Thread i feel the same way when i was testing something and it posted on your wall on facebook you banned me. learning lessons sometimes has to be brutal but essential for when you are testing things and to what they do thanks for the heads up for what i was testing. i now know what it does but have been banned one day when its lifted i`ll probally do the same but for this current moment WELCOME BACK CHRIS regards Jonathan
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      I can overlook the whole sending floods of people over here with crappy signatures thing, although I'm sure it was a major pain in the ass for the mods.

      I cannot overlook the creating multiple accounts and generating false buzz about your own products though. That is about as unethical as you can get. That is not a simple mistake. That is a well thought out, deliberate ruse used to put money in your own pocket.

      Maybe the product is awesome and some people would say the end justifies the means. I would never want to market myself that way though and would not trust anyone who is comfortable doing that.

      I lurked here for a few years before I ever joined the forum. There was a time when I looked at the Warrior Forum as a great place to get honest opinions about products, programs, techniques, etc.

      However, because of stuff like this, that time has long passed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Zanti,
    I was aware of him and thought based on his post that he had done the honorable, "Man Up," thing, but I was mistaken and misled.
    Maybe not. The failure to mention , or possibly even remember, all the details of one's mistakes is a very common thing. Especially after a few years. That doesn't mean the person was trying to be deceptive.

    I hadn't remembered them, but I don't have Les' vast storage capacity.


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    • Profile picture of the author Zanti
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Zanti, Maybe not. The failure to mention , or possibly even remember, all the details of one's mistakes is a very common thing. Especially after a few years. That doesn't mean the person was trying to be deceptive.

      I hadn't remembered them, but I don't have Les' vast storage capacity.


      Paul
      Well Paul I don't know. You might be right and the details left out may have been an honest mistake. Or they could have been conveniently left out. We may never know.

      I tend to take a man at his word and by nature, I'm rather trusting until I have reason not to be.

      I'll just continue to observe and see where it takes me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Zanti, Maybe not. The failure to mention , or possibly even remember, all the details of one's mistakes is a very common thing. Especially after a few years. That doesn't mean the person was trying to be deceptive.

      I hadn't remembered them, but I don't have Les' vast storage capacity.


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      With all due respect Paul, I'm kind of shocked that you'd call Chris' grossly dishonest self-promotion a "detail" he may have forgotten. I'm all for forgiveness-but I only forgive after full acknowledgement by the perpetrator, and strong evidence that he is genuinely remorseful, and would never do something similar. The forgetting is understandable on your part-you deal with thousands of members. But for the guy who did the dishonest deed-and was banned for years as a result; he has just one self to track, and surely he remembers such an event more accurately than the totally fake version he gave us.

      The fake 3rd party question and review posts Chris made, I agree don't cross the line into "evil", but I think it's far more accurate to call it dishonest, unethical behavior, than a "detail" of a "mistake", which gives huge benefit of the doubt to a guy known to be dishonest. While what he did is not unforgivable, it seems far beyond a minor violation of some arcane forum rule, and more of a moral failing than a "mistake", certainly requiring a far more credible apology than Chris made here to convince me he's changed (and his silence since Les blew his cover story is telling).
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      • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        With all due respect Paul, I'm kind of shocked that you'd call Chris' grossly dishonest self-promotion a "detail" he may have forgotten. I'm all for forgiveness-but I only forgive after full acknowledgement by the perpetrator, and strong evidence that he is genuinely remorseful, and would never do something similar. The forgetting is understandable on your part-you deal with thousands of members. But for the guy who did the dishonest deed-and was banned for years as a result; he has just one self to track, and surely he remembers such an event more accurately than the totally fake version he gave us.

        The fake 3rd party question and review posts Chris made, I agree don't cross the line into "evil", but I think it's far more accurate to call it dishonest, unethical behavior, than a "detail" of a "mistake", which gives huge benefit of the doubt to a guy known to be dishonest. While what he did is not unforgivable, it seems far beyond a minor violation of some arcane forum rule, and more of a moral failing than a "mistake", certainly requiring a far more credible apology than Chris made here to convince me he's changed (and his silence since Les blew his cover story is telling).
        Based on your posts Greg (and others hostile towards him) its is VERY clear you do not know Chris because if you did you would know he is probably one of the most HONEST marketers you will ever meet, and the number of people he has helped is astounding.

        Chris said he was a beginner when he did this, and he obviously made a beginner mistake because at the time he did not know better, no matter what the reason he it for he did not know any better but paid for it with his ban has served his time so why all the hang em high posts.

        Chris is a stand up guy Honest and credible in every way so he made a mistake when he first got into IM, SO WHAT we all did, but since that time Chris has helped thousands get started in IM and has been Honest all the way and his members will back that up and HONESTY is what his business has been built on.

        There was another post on this thread asking about success stories and this came up on a forum where a whole list was presented of people who have been successful with Chris's Membership site, in fact one of his recent students made $100,000 in a week with her launch so there is absolutely no question there are success stories out there.

        Another point I see mentioned here actually by Paul where he says that Chris tells his students to come here and post his affilaite links and that again is inaccurate and the opposite is the real truth and I can't count the amount of times Chris and his team have posted on there forum to NOT come to WF and post a sig link.

        As for Chris coming back here he probably will but negativity is not something he focuses on and there is an obvious ploy here to goud him into a thread which will not be positive.

        He apologized he made a mistake when he was new I for one have no issue whatsoever he served his time and has now been allowed back and the forum will be a better place to have him as a member along with all the other great members here and he certainly has something to share here as anyone that has had a Million dollar Launch along with a site that makes him over $30,000 a month is worth listening to.

        When you are sitting on top of the mountain there are always those NEGS that are stoning you, trying to knock you off, then there are the POS's that are climibing the mountain following in the footsteps of the guy at the top to acheive the same success.

        Which one are you ?

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Thompson
          Originally Posted by GazCooperOnline View Post

          Chris said he was a beginner when he did this, and he obviously made a beginner mistake because at the time he did not know better, no matter what the reason he it for he did not know any better but paid for it with his ban has served his time so why all the hang em high posts.
          He wasn't a beginner on 07-07-2011 when he created this thread.....
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Zanti, Maybe not. The failure to mention , or possibly even remember, all the details of one's mistakes is a very common thing. Especially after a few years. That doesn't mean the person was trying to be deceptive.

        I hadn't remembered them, but I don't have Les' vast storage capacity.


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        Hey Paul - the problem isn't the amount of storage- it's the ability to retrieve it


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        Well Paul I don't know. You might be right and the details left out may have been an honest mistake. Or they could have been conveniently left out. We may never know.

        I tend to take a man at his word and by nature, I'm rather trusting until I have reason not to be.

        I'll just continue to observe and see where it takes me.

        Brian

        Brian - I can clear that for you - Chris is indeed a stand up guy who made mistakes, paid for them and is now trying to atone for them. Frankly, I don't remember every mistake I have made over the years either and Chris is always on the go, from one thing to the next. VERY busy guy. I have done some work with him and I can tell you from experience that it's a wonder he remembers where he parks his car


        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        With all due respect Paul, I'm kind of shocked that you'd call Chris' grossly dishonest self-promotion a "detail" he may have forgotten. I'm all for forgiveness-but I only forgive after full acknowledgement by the perpetrator, and strong evidence that he is genuinely remorseful, and would never do something similar. The forgetting is understandable on your part-you deal with thousands of members. But for the guy who did the dishonest deed-and was banned for years as a result; he has just one self to track, and surely he remembers such an event more accurately than the totally fake version he gave us.

        The fake 3rd party question and review posts Chris made, I agree don't cross the line into "evil", but I think it's far more accurate to call it dishonest, unethical behavior, than a "detail" of a "mistake", which gives huge benefit of the doubt to a guy known to be dishonest. While what he did is not unforgivable, it seems far beyond a minor violation of some arcane forum rule, and more of a moral failing than a "mistake", certainly requiring a far more credible apology than Chris made here to convince me he's changed (and his silence since Les blew his cover story is telling).

        Greg - with all due respect, let me ask you - how is the view from that high horse?

        What Chris was banned for was a very common practice at one time and even taught in some early ebooks and courses. Why do you think there are rules about it now?

        Frankly, you should get over it because it's these attitudes that have driven off a great many brilliant minds from the WF and if you had a chance to listen to what Chris can teach you - and the rest of us - it would be a great benefit to all.

        He learned his lesson. He was granted his account back. Let it go...life goes on.

        And your last statement is simply an assumption on your part. Chris is a busy guy and travels a great deal, teaches his many students, speaks at many seminars, etc. He doesn't spend a lot of time here to begin with. And I understand why...

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    Chris welcome back, I will follow you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dax Brathwaite
    Getting kicked out of here might have been the key to your success Chris. The WF is lucky to have you back.
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  • Profile picture of the author DazedandConfused
    Apology certainly accepted - though I was not on this forum in 2009...

    A nice (did I hear free wso? :rolleyes report on how you got your business to 7 figures is now in order...
    or you may have to stay after school -

    Thanx for the gracious re-entry - looks like you were missed...
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  • Profile picture of the author Raja Kamil
    What a coincidence, I found a quote related to what happen to Chris a while ago,
    I always knew looking back on my tears would bring me laughter, but I never knew looking back on my laughter would make me cry.
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    Anyway, welcome back !
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    Welcome back Chris!
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    To Chris' buddies: Ironically, if you take a look at my last post-that two of you quoted, and the date of it, it's pretty clear that I said my piece and had "let it go", but you insist on chiming in, defending him from meanies like me who believe honest marketing is important, and that facts matter. The only thing missing is a written invitation in the mail (don't even ask for my address).

    You've all managed to studiously avoiding confronting the only fact that does matter in this discussion: whether Les was telling the truth when he put the lie to Chris' original "apology".

    Before you make more comments about how I don't know Chris, how brilliant and successful he is, and how I am on a "high horse", let me remind you that I made perfectly clear that every critical comment I made was based on the belief that Les was telling the truth.

    Is it a shock that a well respected senior mod, who, as you know, has thousands of posts under his belt and is intimately familiar with the events that led to Chris' ousting, is being believed over your missing buddy who for weeks has been too busy to take 5 minutes to speak for himself in his own thread?

    You refuse to say it directly, but at the risk of belaboring the point: your defense of Chris is only legitimate if the liar is Les, rather than Chris. For me, what you're asking us all to believe is impossible.

    Until you come up with a decent challenge to Les' credibility, all your defensive remarks ring hollow. I'm not holding my breath.

    Pop ethics quiz question for Chris' defense team: If a certain behavior is common practice or is taught in books, does that make it ethical? (hint: think of common practices in recent US banking history, and books?-that one is just too easy).
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

      To Chris' buddies: Ironically, if you take a look at my last post-that two of you quoted, and the date of it, it's pretty clear that I said my piece and had "let it go", but you insist on chiming in, defending him from meanies like me who believe honest marketing is important, and that facts matter. The only thing missing is a written invitation in the mail (don't even ask for my address).

      You've all managed to studiously avoiding confronting the only fact that does matter in this discussion: whether Les was telling the truth when he put the lie to Chris' original "apology".

      Before you make more comments about how I don't know Chris, how brilliant and successful he is, and how I am on a "high horse", let me remind you that I made perfectly clear that every critical comment I made was based on the belief that Les was telling the truth.

      Is it a shock that a well respected senior mod, who, as you know, has thousands of posts under his belt and is intimately familiar with the events that led to Chris' ousting, is being believed over your missing buddy who for weeks has been too busy to take 5 minutes to speak for himself in his own thread?

      You refuse to say it directly, but at the risk of belaboring the point: your defense of Chris is only legitimate if the liar is Les, rather than Chris. For me, what you're asking us all to believe is impossible.

      Until you come up with a decent challenge to Les' credibility, all your defensive remarks ring hollow. I'm not holding my breath.

      Pop ethics quiz question for Chris' defense team: If a certain behavior is common practice or is taught in books, does that make it ethical? (hint: think of common practices in recent US banking history, and books?-that one is just too easy).
      I once worked for a very smart woman - back in the 90's - who used to say "Choose wisely the mountain you wish to die on".

      To me, what that means is if you plan on getting on a "high horse" (or whatever you want to call it), to the point where you need to feel right at any cost, make sure it's for something that is actually worth it.

      I never said Les was a liar. I do have a ton of respect for him as well. But the fact remains, the "criminal" who so sullied this holy forum - was punished and served his time. He was welcome back by the powers that be.

      The fact that THAT doesn't seem to be good enough is what really evoked my "high horse" comment (which, by the way, was also a bit tongue-in-cheek).

      My comments were not so much a "defense" of Chris, but rather a "what's the point of this anymore". It's quite obvious you feel strongly about this - and you are entitled to that. As I (and others) are entitled to disagree and say enough is enough - like the WF owner has ALREADY SAID (by allowing him to return).

      What this is now is simply beating a dead horse and driving away yet ANOTHER grand source of information with all of the negative, holier-than-thou attitudes. I would much rather read some of Chris's knowledgeable posts then so many of the B.S. one-liners that offer no value that we get now. So, as you can see, my reasoning and "defense" is purely selfish - I can assure you

      Hope that clears things a bit
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Greg - I know Les isn't lying and neither is Paul. After all they have seen the brunt of these misguided instructions.

    With that said it is possible that Chris 'forgot' all the details of the real reason he was banned -- and the bottom line is this - the forum has forgiven him for what he did and he must have his good points that warrant this.

    As long as he doesn't start that practice up again - either the double identity responding to his own posts or telling people to deface the forum with their signature files - let's all just let it go now.

    This 'High Horse' is Riding Out Now.

    I for one realize that there is something inside me that needs a 'whipping boy' - there are plenty of things that happen to us day to day that we do not respond to in kind for whatever reason - we eat our emotions and they add up.

    Lo and behold here is somebody who has done something wrong and it has been taken public - the perfect opportunity to let somebody 'have it' - for their own misdeeds as well as for all the ones who got away with whatever they have done or said to us and we just had to shine on.

    I am going to work on that and figure out a different way to get up off of my own internal emotional and spiritual warfare because this is a weakness.

    As long as there is repentance (stop doing whatever it is) then there should be forgiveness.

    So let's all just agree to disagree and move on.

    GiddyUp.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Greg - I know Les isn't lying and neither is Paul. After all they have seen the brunt of these misguided instructions.

      With that said it is possible that Chris 'forgot' all the details of the real reason he was banned -- and the bottom line is this - the forum has forgiven him for what he did and he must have his good points that warrant this.

      As long as he doesn't start that practice up again - either the double identity responding to his own posts or telling people to deface the forum with their signature files - let's all just let it go now.

      This 'High Horse' is Riding Out Now.

      I for one realize that there is something inside me that needs a 'whipping boy' - there are plenty of things that happen to us day to day that we do not respond to in kind for whatever reason - we eat our emotions and they add up.

      Lo and behold here is somebody who has done something wrong and it has been taken public - the perfect opportunity to let somebody 'have it' - for their own misdeeds as well as for all the ones who got away with whatever they have done or said to us and we just had to shine on.

      I am going to work on that and figure out a different way to get up off of my own internal emotional and spiritual warfare because this is a weakness.

      As long as there is repentance (stop doing whatever it is) then there should be forgiveness.

      So let's all just agree to disagree and move on.

      GiddyUp.

      Wow, that's a boatload of posts man! I don't always do subtlety too well. I like things to be explicit. So please tell me, are you as a mod, singling me out for a warning, that my particular opinion is unwelcome and I'd better shut up, or do you mean to simply literally suggest that we ALL let it go?

      I have no wish to drag this out, but nor do I want to stifle myself, as I try hard to make my posts clear, logical, fair and fact based, and have real value, but I'd rather shut up if the consequences of expressing myself are getting in trouble with the forum I love.

      Your self reflection is great, but I get the impression you want me to make a similar confession, but we don't know each other, and probably have different strengths and weaknesses. I hope you'll forgive me if I don't offer the same confession. I have my own problems to be sure, but this is not the time or place for me to feel comfortable exploring them-during an argument with people I don't know, and they are not relevant to the facts of this discussion. I do not feel that I'm looking for a whipping boy-I really did find Les' post shocking, and found the widespread minimization of it, and the arguing it without naming it, even more so.

      Below are the original words I wrote, in case you agree with those who think I'm a hard hearted, unforgiving person. I think forgiveness is great, but way premature when someone has not even acknowledged what they really did-instead painting a much rosier picture. When I thought he was telling the truth, before Les explicitly called him on the dishonesty (not the forgetfulness-Les made no allowance for that and I totally agree-it's not at all believable you'd forget something like giving yourself fake testimonials-way too elaborate of a deception, and then getting kicked out of this forum for it would drive it further home-unless you had an issue like Alzheimer's or brain injury, which nobody is suggesting), my reaction was completely forgiving, as you can see from my first post in the thread:

      "Totally understandable, even though it was a violation. I believe that you intended no harm, nor did it to give yourself testimonials, or anything like that; just trying to avoid the embarrassment of asking what might be seen as "dumb" questions-boy can I relate!

      It is awesome to hear of your great success, and I'm glad they let you back in. Hope to get to know you this time-congrats on your success, and your "rehabilitation" as a WF member. "

      So since you're all about forgiveness, please forgive me if your suggestion for us all to let it go was really meant as a ban against me personally expressing myself in the thread-I'll edit this if you find it offensive-though I'm just trying to be honest-not whip anyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    No no no Greg - you are misconstruing what I said totally (probably my fault)

    I totally agreed with you on every point you made in this thread and thought I posted supporting posts to yours -

    ... and so I took ownership when you were accused of being 'high horse' - being of the same mindset in this regard.

    So besides the fact that something totally unrelated happened that day of my last post (being some big IM mucky muck attacking another one and the resulting back pedaling and apologies) - that was when I realized how vicious I can be and felt guilty for what I said in this thread (even though I still believe what I believe about it).

    So I attempted to apologize and rationalize my behavior - I addressed you directly as I was also trying to put an end to the argument that has developed which is now attacking you -

    I am probably still not making much sense but hope you understand...


    p.s. In the OT I am no more a Mod than anyone else - I am just another Warrior. This is funny. I had no idea people realize I am a Mod - now I know why so many people do not ever comment or interact with me when I make comments. sheesh - so this is not because I am boring. That's good news anyway. Thanks I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Patrician,
      I know Les isn't lying and neither is Paul.
      We could be mistaken, though. Relying on memory is notoriously tricky. Les is much better at it than most people, but we all mix our emotional responses with the things that happened to create the memory. That can color things after a while.

      As far as the template siege, Gaz' explanation is certainly a credible theory. One that has the advantage of coming from someone who's actually seen the product. Barring an equally credible rebuttal, I'm prepared to accept that as a working premise.


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  • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
    Its amazing to me, really, the pettiness some IMers are prone to. We fail to live and let live. This is a forum. True it has particular rules that, frankly, even I have run amiss with - and I am a learned man!

    We have entrepreneurs by category and then entrepreneurs by nature. Chris has proven himself to be a natural. There are inherent differences between the natural entrepreneur and your run of the mill or garden variety. The natural impetus sees rules as mere challenges that need to be overcome. And to the degree that they are, manifests the degree to which the individual is able to overcome seemingly impossible hurdles.

    Chris has shown the latter. It behooves WF to have winners as members. Because if not, then we are left with members who keep themselves busy languishing in the land of criticizing others and micro-analyzing other's intent.

    I personally do not know Chris. I have only heard of him through my many journeys throughout the Internet. I was unaware of his former WF membership or status since. But I did and do like his entrepreneurial thinking and none of it should be denounced by any real entrepreneur - it should be praised!

    What hypocrisy that we put down a success! Yet we promote wares intended for the success of others! This is the Warriors Forum - then welcome a warrior who has earned his place amongst the IM Winner's Circle! Mistakes WE ALL MAKE! And SELF PROMOTING SIGS WE ALL HAVE and have a right to (afterall - they be the rules of this forum)!
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