I failed university... Now im unemployed. What to do?

by Shiraz191 49 replies
I failed university... Now im unemployed. What to do?

Hey guys,

Background info:

I was studying Accounting and Finance at a university in Manchester (England.). Unfortuantley I failed 1st year and had to re-take it and ended up failing again. As a result I got a letter from the university saying I couldnt continue my studies at that university.

Therefore, I am now unemployed unless I go into education again and choose a different course. Which I would rather just work now.

I figured out I need ~£200 a week to live fairly decent. ~£100 per week for rent, and the other £100 for food expenses, travel, club costs etc. Any other living expenses.

The only problem is I have only ever worked in retail as I was a student. My work experience is as follows: (All UK Companies):

Boots: 6 weeks
Superdrug: 13 months
Marks and spencer: 3 months

Now, the obvious thing for me is to go back into retail. If I work 9-5 monday to friday I could get around £200 before tax. Only problem is, after tax I would have £150 or so, which would only give me £50 a week to live on which is nothing as I would spend about £60 a week just on food.

So what are my options without a degree?

Any suggestions on what kind of job I can get with little experience to earn ~£200 a week.


My plan atm is to claim JSA (Job seekers allowance) Which is £30-£50 a week in the meantime while I look for a job and figure out what to do...

Thanks guys!

Any questions please ask... Recommendations are welcomed.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I'll answer while this get move to offtopic. Look for a job like you're doing. You answered your own question in your post.
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  • Profile picture of the author sscot
    No questions, everything will be all right in soon future. Go ahead......
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  • Profile picture of the author JanG
    I don't know what your motives were when you decided to go to university, but I'd recommend to go back, and take another course that might interest you. If you just went to university for the sake of going to university then this might not be an option, though.

    I myself am struggling really hard to not give up university, because I want some security, later on. I want to become a teacher, but hate the university courses that are totally unrelated to what I want to do in the future.

    But I'm saying to myself that if I give up, now, I will struggle for the rest of my life, because I'd be living from one day to the next, not doing what I want to do.

    So, going back to university is for the long-term. Looking for a job might seem easier today, but is just a temporary solution, in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author jenifer smith
      the thought of disappointing the university seems to be very painful to you, the disappointment might be more destructive if you end up disappointing yourself. my advice is to do everything possible to go back to school because that was your initial dream.givining up on your dreams just beacuse you failed once or twice to me means living without a dream.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Do you have anywhere you can stay for a few months? I'd start working retail and use the money from that to invest into an online business. Set up a few websites, outsource most of the work, and you should start making money pretty quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      I figured out I need ~£200 a week to live fairly decent. ~£100 per week for rent, and the other £100 for food expenses, travel, club costs etc. Any other living expenses.
      You lost me at club costs.

      What "club" do you need to pay for?

      Where is it you need to travel to?

      Are you talking expenses or luxuries?
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      • Profile picture of the author vok
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        You lost me at club costs.

        What "club" do you need to pay for?

        Where is it you need to travel to?

        Are you talking expenses or luxuries?
        Lol I was just think that too.
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  • Profile picture of the author vok
    So explain to us what your long term plans are, why did you go to study that course and what are your thoughts on why you failed?
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    • Profile picture of the author johnny_h
      Maybe your chosen course of study really wasn't for you. Are you passionate about something else?

      As far as money goes, you can definitely break into another line of work besides retail. With your background it may take a little extra work, but if you're motivated a lot of employers will respond to that and it could be enough to land you a job in another field.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcruz
    If you are going to school you have to make sure that what your going for is really what you want to do. And if this is the second time failing, you might want to get your priorities straight, because that's already two years of your life that you will never get back.
    Either change schools, or change career paths but figure out what you want before you waste any time. No one has the answer for what your after except you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Jones
    Originally Posted by Shiraz191 View Post

    I failed university... Now im unemployed. What to do?

    Hey guys,

    Background info:

    I was studying Accounting and Finance at a university in Manchester (England.). Unfortuantley I failed 1st year and had to re-take it and ended up failing again. As a result I got a letter from the university saying I couldnt continue my studies at that university.

    Therefore, I am now unemployed unless I go into education again and choose a different course. Which I would rather just work now.

    This sounds like you went to University just because. Did you pick a major because it interested you? or because you thought you could make money at it? If the latter then you failed before you started.

    It sounds like you need some time to figure out what you want out of life....and the best thing to do is exactly what you said...GO TO WORK, then go to school when you are ready.

    If you like computers then get a certification instead of a degree...takes less time and really can make you just as much money. My wife got a certification to take X-rays and then got trained in MRI....she makes $80K a yr (after 15 years, but still). The point is that you can make alot of money and not have to have a degree. I have a college degree myself, but it is not for everyone. All it really does is give you a toolbox of knowledge to work form...no EXPERIENCE which counts far more.

    Originally Posted by Shiraz191 View Post

    The only problem is I have only ever worked in retail as I was a student. My work experience is as follows: (All UK Companies):

    Boots: 6 weeks
    Superdrug: 13 months
    Marks and spencer: 3 months
    This part is a bit more disturbing....not sure the normal for Europe, but you BARELY have a bit over 1 yr experience in your ENTIRE life working. I am not that old and I started working part time at 16 and had a job all the way through when I finished college. Actually before 16 (our minimum age to really work)....I worked with my mother at various restaurants washing dished for cash.

    Working on the internet is not a "I can make money easy thing". Sorry but all that stuff you heard is junk. It is sometimes more difficult that a regular job because of the competition and is something that you really do need SOME money to work from...not alot, but some.

    Go back to work full time if not going to school. With the internet for education, you can do that anytime really. Get a job and LEARN something about how to sell (important internet skill), how to deal with customers (customer service....another KEY skill), and in general get some knowledge.

    While you are working to pay your bills....maybe start at a junior college (if you have that sort of thing). Get your basic courses out of the way and try a few others....try to figure out what you want to study (it can't hurt and will TEACH you some discipline along the way to actually study and pass). Work in the internet marketing along the way for extra income and LEARN how to do it....it will take time for you to find your niche and what works or doesn't for you. You aren't going to make the 200+ in a month more than likely....spend the time here and LEARN.

    If you have a talent or some knowledge, then we can talk about a different path, but I still say you do not HAVE ENOUGH experience in real world business to understand how it works yet. I still say get a job, take classes along online and LEARN internet marketing if that is what you want to do....it is not for everyone.


    Originally Posted by Shiraz191 View Post

    My plan atm is to claim JSA (Job seekers allowance) Which is £30-£50 a week in the meantime while I look for a job and figure out what to do...
    Do this until you get a job, but DO NOT be lazy and just take this money....work for it. that is the ONLY way to succeed in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aubaine
    If you're flunking out of college, then you are just like I was a decade ago. I wanted to have money, go out to dinner and drinks every night, and that damaged my scores at school. So I left school, and went to the workforce. Made some money, did my fair share of partying and traveling, then once I hit 25 it was back to work time.

    You may just not be ready for serious business/school. Get a short term job, have some fun in the sun, and when you get bored, get back in school and start a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author JP Richard
    I would definitely get a job to support yourself. Yet, I would forget about dumping more money into these Universe Cities. Try to teach what your passionate about online. It really isn't hard and you probably have the organization skills and smarts to make it happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I was an unemployed high school dropout when I started my online business now I make more than all the teachers who told me I wouldn't amount to anything combined.
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanzona
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      I was an unemployed high school dropout when I started my online business now I make more than all the teachers who told me I wouldn't amount to anything combined.
      That is inspiring. What a great story! Nicholas that must feel very good to know you succeeded like that. congratulations!
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    just because you failed at that it doesnt mean anything

    you failed once.... at something that quite simply doesnt have anywhere near the earning potential of IM

    of course there is work involved

    but a saying that i always stick to and is very true:

    "If something is easy to learn then its not worth learning"

    if every man and his dog found IM easy then we prob wouldnt even have a warrior forum lol

    get a job for now so your earning some money then work on your online biz evenings and wk ends, thats what i did for 2 years

    paul
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    I would hit this forum up and do some searching and put together a plan and just get to work hard time.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I can make about ten bucks an hour on Factoidz doing contextual back links. I write an article linking to one of their product reviews from Hub Pages, or wherever, and I get four or five bucks. This is the closest thing to a "job" that I personally have found, but yeah, nothing is a sure thing on the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author dark witness
    first of all start with getting a job. while you are working you can still look for something that pays better..or get two jobs if need be.

    living costs.."clubs" well.. if you have no money and you want to get a little money so you can blow it on something as unproductive as clubbing, your not serious.

    Invest your time in night school or a part time course and learn something that you actually enjoy and you can build on.

    I dropped out of high school 3 years into it, not because I wanted to but because at the time we lost everything and I could not afford to go back to school. My younger brother and sister had to drop out of high school in their second year. None of us ever went back or did any uni course.

    The little money my dad was able to pull together a few years later he used to get some private teachers to teach us. What most kids learned in 4 or 5 years of high school we did in about 9 months and we were only able to learn 4 subjects and then we sat for 0 levels in those subjects.

    When I came back to the UK I did one of those free learn direct courses in computers. It was basically how to switch a pc on, how to move the mouse, how to use word, excel and how to switch the pc off.

    I started working as a security guard. I saved up and then my brother came over to the uk and I made him do the same free learn direct program and supported him.

    I now work for an online office supplies company doing SEO work. My brother is a Video games developer after working his way up from game testing. My sister came over and did a little course on comic art and now she is doing comic book stuff. She works full time and works on her comics partime. Their first comic launched on amazon a few months back.

    I am not rolling in cash, but I got into internet marketing because I wanted to make money and that lead to me learning seo and the job doing SEO which I would not have got if I had not been learing stuff from forums and courses that you can find online.

    The down side is I didn't really get round to enjoying the student life and clubbing and all that, but I figure when I have lots of cash I will catch up.

    figure out what you enjoy and what you want to do. don't let failure at anything hold you back. Be prepaired to let go of those little extras, but always see yourself as investing your time and money into something that will pay off a lot better later on down the line.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I was homeless eight years ago, then a good friend dragged me off the streets, I found a room in a house full of drug addicts and dealers, I got a job as a cleaner, I saved money and bought a computer, I had to learn everything including just how to turn the dam thing on. I had to fight off scum that wanted to sell me drugs, I spent 2 years learning again and again how to make money online, without making a penny. Somedays I didn't eat, some days I did. After 2 years I finally made my first sale.

      Now, almost eight years later, I've all the money I want and will be living on a beach in the next year or so living exactly how I dreamed of living when I was drinking port in a park with nothing but the clothes I had on.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
        Shiraz, you can do it. Your plan is a good way to start.

        Richard, that is a great story!

        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I was homeless eight years ago, then a good friend dragged me off the streets, I found a room in a house full of drug addicts and dealers, I got a job as a cleaner, I saved money and bought a computer, I had to learn everything including just how to turn the dam thing on. I had to fight off scum that wanted to sell me drugs, I spent 2 years learning again and again how to make money online, without making a penny. Somedays I didn't eat, some days I did. After 2 years I finally made my first sale.

        Now, almost eight years later, I've all the money I want and will be living on a beach in the next year or so living exactly how I dreamed of living when I was drinking port in a park with nothing but the clothes I had on.

        Life is what you make it. Including where you are today.
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  • Profile picture of the author wanjugu
    That's soo terrible,

    My advice is you try internet marketing,you will never look back.

    Establish yourself as an authority in finance and accounting.

    Regards
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    We must fail to do better. Therefore, look ahead and don`t throw in the towel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Shiraz,

    I sent you a PM. You will be able to read it, but you won't be able to respond until you have 50 posts.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author carp104
      I don't mean to sound harsh but if you were not willing to put forth the effort to pass in college, what makes you think you will put forth the effort to succeed in internet marketing?

      I am surely not saying you wont, maybe this will motivate you...just understand there is no easy 'push-button' way out. Save your money and learn from trial and error, you will get it eventually.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shiraz191
      Thanks for the wonderful advice guys. I read everything in detail and will be putting an action plan together soon...

      Ill post it when I've thought about it some more.

      Thanks to everyone for helping me out, really appreciate it!
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  • Profile picture of the author mdabhi
    I am actually in the same boat, I worked hard to get to University and did my HND at the University of Central Lancashire in Preston. I did two years ancd failed every module I attempted and after I had no options but to get a job in Retail. After job-hopping and being on fixed term contracts, and the Recession I am back working in Retail. Man I hate, it but it's better than nothing. I would suggest you find a subject you are passionate about and study it. You don't want to end up like I did lol
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  • Profile picture of the author SarahMcHarry
    Originally Posted by Shiraz191 View Post

    I failed university... Now im unemployed. What to do?

    Hey guys,

    Background info:

    I was studying Accounting and Finance at a university in Manchester (England.). Unfortuantley I failed 1st year and had to re-take it and ended up failing again. As a result I got a letter from the university saying I couldnt continue my studies at that university.

    Therefore, I am now unemployed unless I go into education again and choose a different course. Which I would rather just work now.

    I figured out I need ~£200 a week to live fairly decent. ~£100 per week for rent, and the other £100 for food expenses, travel, club costs etc. Any other living expenses.
    I'm guessing that I'm quite a bit older than you. In my day I would have given my right arm to have the chance to study at a prestigious university like Manchester. I didn't get that chance because I had to leave school and work from the age of 16.

    If you are given the privilege of studying for a university degree but you flunk it, you shouldn't have the right to take up another place that a more committed student might occupy.

    Nobody owes you a living. If you want money for 'food expenses, travel, club costs etc' then go out to work, get a job, any job, more than one job - do ANYTHING - no matter how ill-paid - and find out what life is really like for those less fortunate than yourself.

    That could be a valuable lesson in life experience. Remember, if you start out working as a dustman, and you are smarter and more hard-working than your colleagues, then you could end up as Director of Waste Disposal within a few short years...

    Sarah
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisMcDonald
    First of all, do you actually know what you want to do in your life? Don't just say,"make money and have a good life." If you do, how do you want to achieve that?

    You're clearly on this forum for a reason, can I ask why you joined?

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    • Profile picture of the author Shiraz191
      Thanks for the advice guys.

      Based on the information in this thread, I've come up with a really breif action plan.

      Heres my action plan:

      1. Ring up and claim Job Seekers allowance tomorrow.

      This should give me around anywhere between £30-£70 a week while I look for work.

      2. Look for a dead end job

      Go to a job centre and look for a job in retail, sales, a bank, a restaurant... Anything that gives me £150+ a week

      3. Start working in the evening when coming back from work. IE internet marketing or selling something on ebay

      Ill start off with reading books and looking at other possible sources of income.

      I know £150 a week wont be enough, so ill try to sort something out in internet marketing. I know its not easy, and its hard but ill try my best at it. If this fails I might consider doing something with EBAY. Buying and reselling something in bulk sounds a good idea...

      4. Obviously while im doing this ill be leaving with my parents so I can save some money.

      5. I want to be earning £250+ by this time next year so I can move out and back to Manchester.

      Thats all I've thought of so far. Going to go to the park tomorrow for some alone time to think about it some more.

      Seems like a reasonable goal?
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      • Profile picture of the author Zootalaws
        Originally Posted by Shiraz191 View Post

        2. Look for a dead end job
        Go to a job centre and look for a job in retail, sales, a bank, a restaurant... Anything that gives me £150+ a week
        Those are what you consider dead-end jobs? You need an attitude adjustment.

        I have worked all of those, except the bank - I would have loved a job in a bank.

        But to add to your list - cleaning, gardening, labouring, call centre, bakery, washing dishes, fitting tyres, stacking shelves, laying roofs, pretty much anything I could do to put food on the table.

        I don't think while doing any of them my priorities included clubbing.

        I have two degrees. Two good degrees and 35 years of work experience. I have been unemployed a number of times, through recession, bad planning, moving city/country and just because I jacked my job in.

        I have never been unemployed for long - take anything, work hard, it is a good way to refine what is important.

        For me, working in a bakery was great - it told me that I didn't mind back-breaking labour but couldn't get with starting work at 3am. It was a great impetus to finding a better job, and fast.

        You blew a great chance at MU - for whatever reason - I suspect your lifestyle exceeded your desire to knuckle down.

        One thing I would say, by way of sage advice: Uni is three years out of your life. When you are 20 that seems insurmountable. When you look back at 50 and realise how little it would have taken to pull your finger out, prioritise what is important and just worked hard for those three years that would have set you up for the rest of your life, you will kick yourself for the lack of effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by wanjugu View Post

      That's soo terrible,

      My advice is you try internet marketing,you will never look back.

      Establish yourself as an authority in finance and accounting.

      Regards
      Seriously?

      Read the opening post - the guy FLUNKED OUT of Accounting...Hardly the base for establishing anything more than the inability to pass his classes.

      Shiraz, that was not a shot at you. You seem to have your head on fairly straight. Get a job that supports your basic expenses, even if it means cutting those 'club costs' for awhile.

      With your meager work experience, count on an entry level job and working your way up while you figure out what you want to do. Any online business should be a sideline.

      The thing you want to avoid is desperation. Employers and prospects can smell it like a dog smells fear. If you know you have your basic expenses covered, you can approach whatever from a much stronger position.

      Edit:

      Shiraz, what you just posted sounds like a good start. Good luck to you...
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  • Profile picture of the author BenFromSoMo
    Honestly here is exactly what I would do in your situation:

    Move to some industrial nowhere area where you can make good money for terrible jobs. Try to get a job where you work about 30 hours a week of high pay but crappiness. In Canada I am basically talking about moving up north and getting a job on some rig or something. I am sure there is some equivalent type of thing all over the world.

    While doing that, start chipping away on your online business until you are making money and can quit the **** job.

    That is just what I would personally do in your exact situation. Basically dissapear for a year until you are successful online.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Well now you are defiantly entrepreneur material Most of the really successful marketers I know are just average joes and never went to college...but they were prolific action takers.

    I suspect you need to get a job washing dishes or something or start building a list you can send offers too to make some money.

    Dont give in, there is a lot of good advice in here. good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeskola
      I was in much the same boat when I was 17... Don't let it get you down, and please aim higher - you're worth more.

      What do you really want to do? Was it really accounting and finance, or were you under some pressure to do so? I can only give you my experience, rather than advice.

      When I was kicked out it looked like I was going to have work on a building site or work in a bar like my other friends ... I always wanted to work in design, so I knocked on every agency door in town looking for a job as a junior. Tough really as I had no experience what so ever, I couldn't even use a computer.

      Lucky for me I found one place, a small ad agency... I began as a tea boy, basically making tea for the creatives and filling jobs in envelopes... It was tough and I got paid 75 pounds a month. Not much.... By the time the people I was on the original 4 year course with left university I was way beyond their entry level due to my experience and earningn a fair bit more than a graduate in the same field just starting out. Now I'm at art director level and work on some of the biggest accounts going and managed to travel the world several times over with it... Not bad for a drop out!

      What I'm saying is... You can still do what you want to do, if you REALLY want to do it. A degree means nothing these days in the UK Lushun a few select professions.
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      ‪Secret To Success‬‏ - YouTube

      Go back to school or pick something else, but stick to your decisions. You either want it badly enough or you don't.
      That's a great piece of video, Brent.

      I must say being semi-retired, it takes a bit of effort to get motivated about 'success' - I already have a lot of that (great wife, great kids, comfortable life, etc.) but competition is something I find a good impetus - IM is great in that you can directly measure yourself daily with stats and figures and THAT is pushing my boat.

      I don't know if it is as much as wanting to breathe, but I am spending about 18 hours a day researching, reading, testing, etc. and my wife has given up on anything more complex than 'Coffee?' 'Dinner?'
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  • Profile picture of the author xavierfok
    hey shiraz,

    thank you for sharing your experience. i was also considering dropping out of university, well im still stuck here now.

    perhaps you could consider warriors for hire. or you can take up a part time job as you mentioned in your post.

    are you looking for some form of scalability in your job? i am also getting income from playing poker, as well as tuition. you might want to consider.

    hope it helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author hybrid43
    I really do think you should try to get back into or find another university to attend. In the meantime, you'll be doing new things trying to make a living. It's going to be tough, no doubt. But you can turn this into an opportunity and an adventure.
    Everybody dreams of doing something crazy and out of this world. You have nothing to use and this is your chance. Create or building something that is remarkable. Something to create a buzz and resonates inside people. Try to find something that will give you skills which cannot be taught in school. (sales skills come to mind)
    Once you get older, having the audacity to follow your dreams or doing something crazy just for the sake of doing it doesn't translate as sexy anymore.(it's called mid-life crisis) So do it now! Things will get better and when it does you'll have be the coolest dude with a legendary story which your peers pay for drinks just to hear.
    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author RKSQ
    Did you asked yourself why you failed twice in the course that you are studying? Perhaps you are not interested in it. Get a job first in order to feed yourself and have a roof over your head. Once you have stabilized, decided what you are interested in and go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author markrob008
    Well, there are lots of jobs in the internet. Just look for the one that fits your skill. You will become rich if you have the idea to make money. Education does not really matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    You could get a roommate to help lower your expenses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Do you want to study accounting and finance? I went to uni and was a bit immature, enjoyed my new found freedom, partied a bit hard, and hung out with the wrong crowd. I failed two subjects. They gave me supplementary exams, and guess what? I failed them too. So I got a similar letter. That was a wake up call. I took a few years off, worked at some crappy jobs, and figured out that I really did want to be a vet. Made my way back into Uni, worked my butt off and graduated with honours. If this is what you want to study, you'll find a way. If not, then look for what you really want, because that's worth fighting for.
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  • Profile picture of the author cryst
    i would say first hunt for job..stay their for some period of time ....learn some expereince ....then think about business.....
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    You could speak to a career adviser at your university, they will be able to give you some sound advice, and what steps to take
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  • Profile picture of the author retirein10years
    Steve Jobs dropped out of college after one semester.

    The squeeze is getting tighter on everyone. I have a college degree but I was under employed several years ago. There weren't many high paying job openings in my field so I started a small business. I have the ability now to take advantage of all of the business tax deductions and make an unlimited income. It's like the saying goes, "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade". I was fortunate enough at the time to realize my situation and take a step in the right direction. You should look at the options if you find yourself wondering how you're going to make it financially.
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  • Profile picture of the author design2convert
    If you think you can't continue study anymore, then try for some specific course, in which you have interest, in any field.
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    • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
      I must not be up on Europes' salaries as I'm surprised you can work 40+ hours a week and barely make 200 a week? if your spending 60 a week on food either your eating out all the time or buying crap, you should look into what your eating. I know people who don't even spend that when in a bulking phase lifting weights. And clubs... You need to get your priorities straight and cut that out and any other cost that's a 'want' and not a 'need'. Not trying to be harsh but just sayin.
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