The Kind Of Stuff Money Just Can't Buy

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Yesterday, I had a Skype call with one of my coaching students and a friend
of his who is thinking of getting into his business with.

We talked for almost an hour, and a lot of the time about music, songwriting,
recording and just flat out having a great time.

They're excited about the project. I'm excited about the project.

And...an hour of work was more like an hour of play.

This is the kind of stuff that money just can't buy.

Most fun I've had doing business in a very long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      If it encourages you to know this Steven, after watching my forum over the last year and seeing the numbers and how people succeed above the rest of the crowd... *You get to see a large group of people and watch the cream rise to the top, and observe their way...its pretty cool... but anyway, Im convinced more than ever that EVERYTHING comes down a mathematical equation...

      Im convinced more than ever that a person with good music can rise to the top by way of mathematics... Its about numbers and exposure.

      BTW: My Dear Friend Charlie Craig, a legendary songwriter recently passed away... if you knew him you would see that as one of the days that "the music died"... He has over 400 major cuts... Many of us have been deeply influenced by his music he has written for everyone from Elvis to Kieth Whitley to Merle Haggard, to Travis Tritt, Alabama... Kathy Matteo, Leanne Rymes, Trace Atkins, Alan Jackson, Lee Greenwood...all kinds of people.

      Anyway, this isnt my first thought, but it has struck me that the songs we co-wrote together will soon be valuable... So, I have had a few thoughts about publishing music lately.

      Its numbers, if you get it in front of enough people, someone will hand you an opportunity. Its about 'actions" how to quantify how much "action" or how many "actions" we are actually taking.

      Those actions have to add up and create saturation to where the desired result has to manifest.

      Just thinking out loud... Im saying I believe that you can do it, if you keep stuffing it in enough peoples faces, thats how people break through... Numbers. Just like telemarketing, just being tenacious.

      Ps. If that opportunity, to sell those songs "does" occur, it will also have been about actions... In my twenties I took action everyday on music, and enough of those added up that I found myself having opportunities to write with people like Charlie... So it goes all the way down the line... If those songs become valuable, it will have been the result of numbers

      A: Number of nights spent meeting people
      B: Numbers of songs written, to come up with that small handful

      ....Im sure numbers play in there about 10 different ways.

      Numbers of times I met Charlie at a steak house, or spent the evening hangin out with him at his home... Not enough... I should have taken advantage of more opportunities... I feel guilty because he emailed me about a week before he passed... and asked me to call, and I put it off, then it was too late...

      Heres to the "Song Machine". http://www.charliecraig.com/
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      • Profile picture of the author USANewsTrends
        Bonding with your significant others and having good times with friends are the stuff money can't buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Ohh Steve you look like your deep in contemplation.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Sorry I got emotional last night and hijacked yer thread Steve... It dawned on me later... that wasnt too considerate. Just went on a tangent... I actually watched charlie online for 2 hours after that and remembered him, so thanks. you never know what magic your contribution is working for someone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Sorry I got emotional last night and hijacked yer thread Steve... It dawned on me later... that wasnt too considerate. Just went on a tangent... I actually watched charlie online for 2 hours after that and remembered him, so thanks. you never know what magic your contribution is working for someone.
      John, don't give it a second thought. Love reading your stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    This was the sms I received from my colleagues before.

    Money can buy a house but not a home.
    Money can buy a blood but not good health.
    Money can buy a bed but not a sleep.
    Money can buy s*x but not love.

    so true...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @Myeanne

    You forgot though, that sex and intimacy can make you fall in love... lol

    Money can buy a chance to get to know someone, that you wouldnt have otherwise, and, the chance to experience them in more diverse atmospheres...so that you find out that you may have alot in common.

    Money helps with personal relationships because it affords experiences with others... I could have never afforded some of the experiences I had with Charlie Craig or my friend DW, but because they had finances, they showed me things... and I respected them and came to love them, for their openess toward me, and their willingness to share. Their are certain aspects you cant see to a person when you are both in a state of desperation.

    Money can take away desperation, and create freer flowing energy between people...

    So the truth is relative, but there are many experiences, as Steve Says, that you wouldnt trade for a million dollars!

    For instance, when the warriors book a hotel for a weekend, money can afford you the chance to go and form stronger bonds with people, who you wouldnt otherwise have the chance to hang out with outside the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    And...an hour of work was more like an hour of play.

    This is the kind of stuff that money just can't buy.
    And how much did you bill them for your hour of play?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Yesterday, I had a Skype call with one of my coaching students and a friend
    of his who is thinking of getting into his business with.

    We talked for almost an hour, and a lot of the time about music, songwriting,
    recording and just flat out having a great time.

    They're excited about the project. I'm excited about the project.

    And...an hour of work was more like an hour of play.

    This is the kind of stuff that money just can't buy.

    Most fun I've had doing business in a very long time.
    So you worked, but didn't get paid? :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      So you worked, but didn't get paid? :confused:
      That's where the irony comes in. Juxtapose Steven's post up top with this gem from yesterday, in response to someone seeking a mentor:

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      What are you offering in return? Nobody is just going to mentor you out of
      the goodness of their heart.

      Marketers who are truly successful are too busy working on their businesses
      (that's why they're successful) to do charity work.

      So again I ask...what are you offering in return?

      And before you answer 50% of whatever you make or some other
      percentage, 50% of nothing is nothing.

      So again I ask...what are you offering in return?
      As a self-proclaimed Content & Copy Writing Wiz, Steven should have a strong enough grasp of irony to appreciate the level of disconnect on display here.

      And in fairness to Steven, I'm not at all critical toward his response: its his time, and we operate in a fair market where its fair game to require whatever price you're seeking for services rendered. That said, reading that jewel up top while remembering this little nugget from yesterday was kind of entertaining in its own way.

      And no offence intended Steven - you brought a smile to my face, even if its not in the way you intended, so its all good.

      -Spyder
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        In all fairness Spyder... A person is allowed to be both a "business person" and also a wistful thinking friend...

        I think they are apples and oranges... One is talking about a "work" project, and the other is talking about a work/fun project...

        I work on projects for free sometimes... When I consider them more personal...

        In my Strictly Business Projects though... YOU PAY or you dont play.

        I dont see a conflict... I see two sides of the same coin, and I think we all are more dimensional than having only a strict side ... but yet we are allowed to have that too.

        People are allowed to have more than one dimension, and the truth cannot be taken out of context, it is relative to the specific issue.

        I have enjoyed your posts personally Spider so this isnt meant to offend either, but there is nothing wrong with Steven being stern in one thread and wistful in another...

        Its called being authentic and sharing straight from the hip in every given moment speaking your truth in that particular specific situation. and yeah, some of it is determined by your mood at times... Big deal.

        It happens.

        Cant throw the baby out with the bath water... Have to separate issues.

        One of Stevens posts, a FREE one, inspired my first WSO, so I can tell you right here he has created alot of Value and has nothing to justify, I can only imagine the others he has inspired and the value created.

        We all inspire... But what are we inspiring?

        If Steven wants to do a music project and spend time on the phone talking for free (Or even charging) but wont do copywriting for free... Thats his business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Spyder77
          No disagreement here John. Steven, and all of us for that matter, operate on the time = money principal and I begrudge him nothing at all for expecting payment for any kind of services rendered - after all we're all in this (presumably) to make money and not drawn to come here out of whatever charity projects we decide to take on (or not, such as the case may be).

          That is the beauty of free markets, IM, and being your own boss who gets to decide the rules that you play the game by. There is no foul ball there, and its all good.

          -Spyder

          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          In all fairness Spyder... A person is allowed to be both a "business person" and also a wistful thinking friend...

          I think they are apples and oranges... One is talking about a "work" project, and the other is talking about a work/fun project...

          I work on projects for free sometimes... When I consider them more personal...

          In my Strictly Business Projects though... YOU PAY or you dont play.

          I dont see a conflict... I see two sides of the same coin, and I think we all are more dimensional than having only a strict side ... but yet we are allowed to have that too.

          People are allowed to have more than one dimension, and the truth cannot be taken out of context, it is relative to the specific issue.

          I have enjoyed your posts personally Spider so this isnt meant to offend either, but there is nothing wrong with Steven being stern in one thread and wistful in another...

          Its called being authentic and sharing straight from the hip in every given moment speaking your truth in that particular specific situation. and yeah, some of it is determined by your mood at times... Big deal.

          It happens.

          Cant throw the baby out with the bath water... Have to separate issues.

          One of Stevens posts, a FREE one, inspired my first WSO, so I can tell you right here he has created alot of Value and has nothing to justify, I can only imagine the others he has inspired and the value created.

          We all inspire... But what are we inspiring?

          If Steven wants to do a music project and spend time on the phone talking for free (Or even charging) but wont do copywriting for free... Thats his business.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ps. I can promise you this, most people will NEVER have a conversation with me for free... Very few. I dont feel ashamed of that at all. My counsel and experience worth money - To them.

    Steven paid alot of dues for what he knows.
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    I know everything too, but no one asks me
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    LMAO -- And I am wondering why everyone is being so damned profound about something that's the way it is supposed to be. Fun. If you aren't having fun doing what you're doing, um................aren't ya supposed to find something else that will be? We didn't get into this to be corporate slugs. A lot of people are so drooling over the money that they might be able to make or do make that they forget that fun is part of the mix if you're doing what you're supposed to.

    And John - of course it's about numbers. Physics is everything. Um...literally. Numbers - frequency of vibration.

    So, Steve. What happened to retirement?
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