Underrated Boxers

askloz

13 years ago

Philip Gill - UK Boxer... next fight next week at the wembly stadium

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Roaddog 13 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

Philip Gill - UK Boxer... next fight next week at the wembly stadium

He's only had 11 fights ...little early to judge...no?

Thanks for answering though, always on the lookout for new talent.

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valerieSONORA

13 years ago

Boxing?! Even football is better than that!

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Roaddog 13 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Boxing?! Even football is better than that!

Okie dokie.

Let's cut to the quick, what sports do you like? ValerieSONORA.
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valerieSONORA

13 years ago

LOL. Does it have to be sports? I like non-violent things like dancing!!!!! I'm taking a belly dance class in the fall and a hip hop dance class now!!! Do you like to dance roaddog???

btw-is dancing considered a sport???

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

LOL. Does it have to be sports? I like non-violent things like dancing!!!!! I'm taking a belly dance class in the fall and a hip hop dance class now!!! Do you like to dance roaddog???

btw-is dancing considered a sport???

I think people have kind of turned dancing into a sport.
Some have turned it into a true art form... IMO.

Actually in younger days I did..helped a lot with boxing..

Unfortunately, nowadays I'm lucky if I can walk without limping and groaning

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Kurt

13 years ago

Hey Jim...

Not a bad list. Here's a few more:

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Young
Aaron Pryor

And I'll toss in Julio Cesar Chavez. Most people agree he was a great fighter, but I think he was one of the all time best ever.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hey Jim...

Not a bad list. Here's a few more:

Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Young
Aaron Pryor

And I'll toss in Julio Cesar Chavez. Most people agree he was a great fighter, but I think he was one of the all time best ever.

I'll go for those Kurt especially Aaron Pryor. Those fights with Alexis Arguello are still etched in my head.

And yea Lennox never did get the respect he should.

If I remember right Jimmy Young didn't even start till he was in prison, in that case a remarkable record (I'm pretty sure it is Jimmy Young I'm thinking of) Unfortunately I'm not as good at the boxing trivia as I once was.
Hence the thread..lol

JCC
HA Kurt we must of been separated at birth, he is probably close to if not the favorite boxer of mine too. I was just thinking of him before I started this thread, how unemotional and robotic he was in the ring. ( Signs of a great) A master boxer with a cool head.

I wouldn't call him underrated, more like unappreciated by those 'outside' of boxing fans and fighters

edit: man, that last left hook (video) was on the 'button', nice.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Jimmy Young's had two problems: First, he was a defensive fighter which made him rather boring. And, he fought in the Ali, Fraizer, Foreman, Norton era. But Young did fight Foreman to a draw, which caused George to go into his first retirement.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

I think these boxers are underrated:

Notice they are camouflage ... you never know when you're going to need to hide!

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Roaddog 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I think these boxers are underrated:

Notice they are camouflage ... you never know when you're going to need to hide!

lol...Dennis going to have to get me a pair of those.
Right after the Pinocchio ones.
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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Jim, I'm not even going to ask where Pinocchio's nose is on those boxers.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Jimmy Young may have been technically the best of them. I don't think he liked to hit people --not a particularly good thing in a boxer.

Yea I kind of wish I had seen more of Jimmy Young back then.

The only fight I remember watching was him and Ali.
I find the fact that I didn't, kind of strange nowadays, because I was really into every thing boxing in those days. Oh well, always got youtube now :p

I guess this doesn't have much with the OP question or subject, but one of the things I really miss about that era was the unique 'interaction, between Ali and Cosell. This has some old clips of them 'bantering'.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

I'll mention Wifred Beniteze.

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madison_avenue

13 years ago

Remembered for his dominant point's victory over arguably the greatest boxer of all-time, Sugar Ray Robinson. Randolph Turpin is a hero in his hometown of Leamington, with a statue being erected in his honour in 2001.

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Floyd Fisher

13 years ago

How about Evander Holyfield?

He has got to be one of the most underrated out there for sure.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

How about Evander Holyfield?

He has got to be one of the most underrated out there for sure.

Evander has gotten a lot of praise, as he should for being The Real Deal.
Depending on what list you look, he is highly rated.

Again I think that it's another case of people that really don't follow boxing closely not appreciating what he has done. And realize how hard that is. There have been plenty of guy's that have jumped many of the lighter divisions...different aspect to do it in the heavyweight division.

If you'll notice in history, most lightheavies that stepped up stayed for a little while, then dropped back down. (I'm talking about the last few decades, where there are monsters in the Heavyweight division)

To start at Middle go to lightheavy (dominate) cruiserweight (dominate) and then go to Hall of Fame caliber in the Heavyweight division is a feat that most have not accomplished. Despite being relatively small for today's Heavies.

Evander is def. in my top five and has been for a long time.

I do wish he would quit now though, his legacy is safe and hopefully he remains that way too.

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Floyd Fisher

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Evander has gotten a lot of praise, as he should for being The Real Deal.
Depending on what list you look, he is highly rated.

Again I think that it's another case of people that really don't follow boxing closely not appreciating what he has done. And realize how hard that is. There have been plenty of guy's that have jumped many of the lighter divisions...different aspect to do it in the heavyweight division.

If you'll notice in history, most lightheavies that stepped up stayed for a little while, then dropped back down. (I'm talking about the last few decades, where there are monsters in the Heavyweight division)

To start at Middle go to lightheavy (dominate) cruiserweight (dominate) and then go to Hall of Fame caliber in the Heavyweight division is a feat that most have not accomplished. Despite being relatively small for today's Heavies.

Evander is def. in my top five and has been for a long time.

I do wish he would quit now though, his legacy is safe and hopefully he remains that way too.

Most people I know would not rate him too highly at all, because he lacks knockout power....even though he did knock out Tyson (which was totally unexpected IMHO).

For all he's done, I honestly don't think he gets enough credit for his greatness...probably why he's still fighting.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

Most people I know would not rate him too highly at all, because he lacks knockout power....even though he did knock out Tyson (which was totally unexpected IMHO).

For all he's done, I honestly don't think he gets enough credit for his greatness...probably why he's still fighting.

I don't think you have to have a great knockout ratio to be considered a good boxer. Look at Ali.

By the way his ko ratio is close to Ali's as it stands now.

And I agree as I said before, for what he has accomplished, he is not credited by people who don't realize how far he came.

His KO ratio went down as a Heavy, because he's not a natural Heavy.
It will keep going down of course the longer he stay's active, because I don't think he's going to be knocking out too many contenders any more.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

All I can say is that James Toney shouldn't have entered the UFC. That was just sad.

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jeffrey73 13 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

All I can say is that James Toney shouldn't have entered the UFC. That was just sad.

THIS ^^^^
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dallas playboy

13 years ago

Bob Foster never seemed to get the credit he deserved. He was a devestating puncher
and was one of the best light heavy weights of all time. IMO

I thought he killed mike quarey with that k.o.

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Roaddog

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dallas playboy

Bob Foster never seemed to get the credit he deserved. He was a devestating puncher
and was one of the best light heavy weights of all time. IMO

I thought he killed mike quarey with that k.o.

That's actually a good one and what I was looking for.

Bob Foster was indeed underrated.

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dallas playboy

13 years ago

a few others;

Sandy Saddler

Indian Red Lopez

Kid Gavalan

Mickey Ward

ken Bucannon

Veto Benvenuti

Ike Williams

Salvator Sanchez who was killed in a motorcycle accident at his prime

Marcel Cerdan

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Pauline60

13 years ago

According to my Uncle Paddy he was himself the world's most underrated boxer. Apparently he was ranked 4th in the world at bantamweight at one point and he did lose to the eventual British and Commonwealth Champion.

But that was long ago, back in the 1940s or something so you probably never heard of him. He fought bareknuckle in his youth apparently. Boxing was a tradition for generations in my family.

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seasoned

13 years ago

I vote HANES! 8-)

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Kurt

13 years ago

Here's a few more:

Michael Spinks - Had his legacy tarnished a bit in his fight with Mike Tyson. But in all fairness, Spinks wasn't a heavy and probably shouldn't have ever been in the ring with Tyson.

Willie Pep - 229-11-1 pretty much says it all...

Carlos Zarate - At one point he was 55-0 with 54 knockouts as a bantam weight...He did have a few problems when he moved up in weight, but at his natural weight, his was a beast.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

Azumah Nelson was pretty good, a pity he never had a fight with Barry McGuigan

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Kurt

13 years ago

In related news....Boxing promoter Butch Lewis just passed away at age 65.

Michael Buffer gave Lewis a 10 bell count at the Judah fight in Las Vegas in honor.