Bomb went off in Norway, meters away from the Prime Minster's office!

jimbo13 14 years ago

Just heard that right now someone is shooting at kids at a youth camp on an island where your PM is.

People are swimming across the lake to get away.

I hope things don't escalate.

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Richard Tunnah 14 years ago

There's also been a gun attack on a labour party childrens camp on an island in Norway. Reports say 560 children on the island and some have been injuried.
Police are saying they believe they are under attack.

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HeySal

14 years ago

WTF is going on in this world. If this is what "globalization" is all about they need to just knock it off. The whole planet seems to be going insane.

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TLTheLiberator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

WTF is going on in this world. If this is what "globalization" is all about they need to just knock it off. The whole planet seems to be going insane.

Sal, it's more than likely some ____________ terrorists just helping to terrorize the people of the planet.

All The Best!!

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Richard Tunnah

14 years ago

Norway police are now saying special forces have arrested one gunman on Utoya Island in norway (where the kids summer camp was).

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Andreas B

14 years ago

Yes, it's actually reported over 700 teenagers at Utoya (Utøya) in Norway, and that a man dressed up in a police costume has shot at least 5 people - I'm unsure if they've survived or not, but I haven't heard anything about any murders.

I've been to Utoya myself once, when another party had a meeting there. We were 200 people camping there for a few days, and even I thought it was crowded back then. With 500 more people, it must be a nightmare. We only had 1 boat three times a day where we could ask for transportation. I absolutely hope more boats has been coming to help.

This is absolutely an historical day for Norway.

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Richard Tunnah

14 years ago

Norwegian TV reporting 7 kids killed in shooting on Utoya Island.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

Seriously? I haven't been able to watch TV, seems like NRK is over-crowded

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I know people in AUF, the youth party on Utoya. This absolutely sucks. And with a new phone, I'm not able to reach them either. This is a catastrophe.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

Seriously? I haven't been able to watch TV, seems like NRK is over-crowded

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I know people in AUF, the youth party on Utoya. This absolutely sucks. And with a new phone, I'm not able to reach them either. This is a catastrophe.

TV2 are the station reporting 7 kids killed.

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jimbo13 14 years ago

Andreas

Unfortunately it seems true that there are at least 7 dead.

It is all over the news right now for obvious reasons.

Oslo explosion: live coverage - Telegraph

The Telegraph is a live update link.

All the best

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14 years ago

This is just horrible! I am sickened by this news.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

From what I've heard, a police man wanted to talk to some of the teenagers on Utoya, and took them away from the rest. Then, witnesses said they heard shots being fired.

7 dead. Whether I know them, or not, this is absolutely unbelieveable.

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RuneE

14 years ago

Both you and me Andreas are affected by these actions of cowards.
Politics or no politics. When innocent people are killed it is crazy to assume that there is any "God" for anyone!

These actions are not supported by anyone with a sane mind and our thoughts go out to the ones affected as the young political party on Utøya ( Island).

There is nothing left to say then, hope they find and erase these violent acts with a manner that will not breed anymore violence for anyone.

To the ones affected: Our thoughts are with you in these dark times.

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14 years ago

This is really bad news, sorry for the families losses. Wish we could all live in peace.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

People has been/are swimming from Utoya and to the mainland. That's quite a long way to swim, actually. It must be horrifying to know that you're on the same island as a killer, and that there aren't enough boats, police or security staff to take care of you.

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14 years ago

Witness: "20-30 people killed at Utoya" VG.no

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vikingmarketer 14 years ago

Sorry I didn't post about this in here earlier.

I feel with you my norwegian brothers and sisters.

As far as I can understand nothing have been confirmed by the police at utoya yet. Hopefully they only got hurt and not killed.

I hope everyone in Norway can get thru this though time with a terror attack
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Andreas B

14 years ago

PAP: I wish that was true.

"- There are dead bodies in the water" - NRK.no
Sorry that I can't post live links (like gTranslate), but I don't have enough posts.

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RuneE 14 years ago

Seriously a massacre against defenseless kids.

Latest news is either Al Quaida or Libya is most likely behind this as they have uttered a direct threat against Norway because of our participation in the conflicts down in the middle east.

One can only wonder what makes killing innocent people justified as for our "breaking and entering" into their country if that is what they believe is happening.

I can only speak for myself here... But not all Norwegians feel we should participate in conflicts because of a agreement with either US or any other for that matter.

The threats we have gotten from Libya and Al Quaida is beyond revenge for what we know we have participated in.

There is difficult to find words for it when someones dressed as a police officer appoaches a political summer party for kids and starts executing one by one. Did they do anything wrong?

Of course not.

This is the most tragic day in the history of Norway.

9/11 meets 22/7.

No one can see the logic in this.

I sincerely hope the responsible people will be stopped from doing these kind of actions forever again. This is a sick war.
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vikingmarketer

14 years ago

Police have confirmed at least 9 killed at the Island one being severaly hurt that's why they put it like that.

So 16 have lost the life because of the terror actions so far. Hopefully it won't increase

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RuneE

14 years ago

Last and latest news is the shooter on Utøya is Norwegian.

Anything else regarding why and who is behind this other than the apprehended man is still to be investigated thurrowly.

Right now it is a quiet center of the capital where the dust has settled but people are staying inside in fear of more dramatic changes.

There is a lot of rumors and it is hard to say what is to be concidered as real threats or simply a rumor...

Following the news from BBC and other outside of Norway will give you a wrong picture as they are saying the wrong things regarding who is behind these actions.
A very moved Prime Minister has just left the latest press conferance and he was headed to the hospital.

Will not comment this further today.

JUST IN!
Took the last look at the news now... Another bomb was planted on the Island... It did not go off, thank god. Awaiting more info from the Police.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by RuneE

Last and latest news is the shooter on Utøya is Norwegian.

Anything else regarding why and who is behind this other than the apprehended man is still to be investigated thurrowly.

Right now it is a quiet center of the capital where the dust has settled but people are staying inside in fear of more dramatic changes.

There is a lot of rumors and it is hard to say what is to be concidered as real threats or simply a rumor...

Following the news from BBC and other outside of Norway will give you a wrong picture as they are saying the wrong things regarding who is behind these actions.
A very moved Prime Minister has just left the latest press conferance and he was headed to the hospital.

Will not comment this further today.

JUST IN!
Took the last look at the news now... Another bomb was planted on the Island... It did not go off, thank god. Awaiting more info from the Police.

I watch the Norwegian news I'm a Scandinavian brother from Denmark

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14 years ago

NEWSFLASH

THERE HAS BEEN FOUND EXPLOSIVES ON UTOYA (UTØYA ISLAND) WHERE AT LEAST 10 TEENAGERS HAS BEEN KILLED. IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE THE SAME PERSON THAT KILLED ON UTOYA AND BOMBED THE GOVERNMENTAL BUILDINGS.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

I heard that the shooter on the island dressed as a cop told the children to gather in a building so he could tell them about the bombing that happened a couple hours earlier. Then when they were gathered around he started shooting at them. Supposedly the guy is a white guy, so who knows why he did this besides just being a sick m----------r.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I heard that the shooter on the island dressed as a cop told the children to gather in a building so he could tell them about the bombing that happened a couple hours earlier. Then when they are were gathered around he started shooting at them. Supposedly the guy is a white guy, so who knows why he did this besides just being a sick m----------r.

NEWSFLASH
THE MURDER IS AN ETHNICAL NORWEGIAN MAN AT 32. HE TOOK THE TEENAGERS WITH HIM, AND EXECUTED THEM.

This is .. well.. this is just totally f*cked up. I'm really, really sad now. This is not how to repay teenagers who spends a week in a political (correct) camp, learning about how to create a safe community for everyone.

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RuneE 14 years ago

Seems as if this is a LIVE post.

What you just read about the guy being dressed and led the the youngsters are what is being said. It is just horrible.

Just found a camera that recorded the blast from Oslo.

SORRY. Bad link here! someone tried to earn from a CPA offer!!! That is just sick!
Creepos.

Youtube has got it all.
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jimbo13 14 years ago

I guess you will find out tomorrow who the guy is and who he is linked with but he is definately a native Norwegian and your police have already linked him with the Oslo bomb.

You know sometimes people are just twisted for whatever reason.

Your country must be in complete shock and I pity the parents directly affected.

The mayor wishes it was him and not all of those kids; I believe him.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

Yes, the mayor of Oslo, Fabian Stang, said he wanted to stand infront of them to save them. This is as shocking as it could get. A friend of some friends of mine are missing, which is a "93-model", just a year younger than me.

So yeah, just think about it:

You're a teenager between 11 and 23-25, you're on an ("medium sized") island together with 700 other teenagers. A police man arrives with a van which was transported with the only boat available there, and he tells random kids he wanted to talk to them regarding the Oslo bombing. Then you hear shots being fired, and teenagers are killed right infront of you.

A girl has just been interviewed, and she told "us" that she was hiding under a large rock while the police man (murder) killed her friends right behind her.

The people hiding on Utoya told via FaceBook and similar social networks that they DID NOT want to be called, as they were hiding from the murderer.

NEWSFLASH
THE NORWEGIAN POLICE IS CONFIRMING THAT A "FAKE POLICE MAN" WAS SEEN AT BOTH PLACES (OSLO AND UTOYA/UTØYA ISLAND)

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jimbo13

14 years ago

Don't want to get political as it is banned in this forum but the biggest problem I see is that, just like in the UK, the gunman won't get what he deserves.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

Don't want to get political as it is banned in this forum but the biggest problem I see is that, just like in the UK, the gunman won't get what he deserves.

Dan

It's true. Hopefully this won't count as "religious or political", as this is a huge catastrophe. In Norway, we have a maximum of 21 years in prison, but I assume there can be made exceptions with custody or similar..

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

Don't want to get political as it is banned in this forum but the biggest problem I see is that, just like in the UK, the gunman won't get what he deserves.

Dan

The laws in Denmark are VERY tolerant of murder. I've heard that Norway is often MORE tolerant. I believe in denamrk it is 14years. Maybe in norway it is 10. Do they believe in cumulative sentences such that 9 people dead would be 90 years, for example.

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Snappinn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

The laws in Denmark are VERY tolerant of murder. I've heard that Norway is often MORE tolerant. I believe in denamrk it is 14years. Maybe in norway it is 10. Do they believe in cumulative sentences such that 9 people dead would be 90 years, for example.

Steve

Murderers in Iceland get max 16years and then they are out after 8 years for good behavior.

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Snappinn

Murderers in Iceland get max 16years and then they are out after 8 years for good behavior.

Outside of the volcano, how do you like it there?
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14 years ago

To my Norwegian brothers and sisters, Love and support from Iceland

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Andreas B

14 years ago

NEWSFLASH
SEVERAL NEWS SOURCES, INCLUDING TV2 (NORWEGIAN) AND INTERNATIONAL NEWS SOURCES HAS NOW PUBLISHED A CENSORED IMAGE OF HIM. WE HAVE FOUND HIM ON FACEBOOK, THIS IS SICK. HE IS MOST LIKELY A PART OF A NEU-NAZI/EXTREME RIGHT MOVEMENT IN NORWAY.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

NEWSFLASH
SEVERAL NEWS SOURCES, INCLUDING TV2 (NORWEGIAN) AND INTERNATIONAL NEWS SOURCES HAS NOW PUBLISHED A CENSORED IMAGE OF HIM. WE HAVE FOUND HIM ON FACEBOOK, THIS IS SICK. HE IS MOST LIKELY A PART OF A NEU-NAZI/EXTREME RIGHT MOVEMENT IN NORWAY.

Let's say he WERE a NAZI. WHY would he pick THESE targets? Besides, apparently there ARE MANY far better ones in Norway. This is an EMPTY act. When I have heard of neo NAZIs acting up, it was very vocal.

And WHY did they even check if he was a freemason? Frankly, from what I can see, the official freemason position is probably legitimate. Just a bunch of people that get together in an international club, and at times have like a LARP, especially to promote or induct members.

ARE they associated with the knights templar? YES! They admit it! The knights templar is a special group, and I believe they HAVE to be catholic.

And one day a group of freemasons decided to group together and create another sub group called the shriners. They are best known for philanthropy and hospitals. And here is the KICKER! They allow almost anyone to join. Even blacks, jews, and women! The ONLY requirement is that you believe in and worship a higher being.

Yeah, I know, sounds kind of funny, but many are like that. I never got into dungeons and dragons, but a LOT of highschoolers/college people were in it in my day. BTW I told a woman at a church once what one person said about the freemasons(It was, and IS, a popular conspiracy theory). She said that her father was a freemason, a devout Christian, and he wouldn't be in such a thing.
And you don't have to be rich to be a freemason either.

That isn't something hitler would have approved of! How do I know? Well, his hatred of other races is well known. Less well known, but fact, was his distrust of religion, infiltration and corruption of it, and his being into paganism.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

NEWSFLASH
THE 32 YEAR OLD MAN IS A FREEMASON.

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14 years ago

NEWSFLASH
Anders Behring Breivik (32) - a Norwegian self-employed, neu-nazi freemason has been pointed out as the killer, by VG.no. He made the bombs from the fertilizer he made with his business.

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valerieSONORA

14 years ago

I read this was revenge for that Mohammed cartoon by a Danish guy that newspapers in Norway also published. Can't believe how much has come from that cartoon...

And he is part of a group helpers of worldwide jihad or something like that. Was he a Muslim convert?

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Andreas B

14 years ago

Hello Valerie,

No, this wasn't related to the Mohammed cartoon as far as I've understood. The killer, an ethnical Norwegian 32-year old was a Christian Freemason with neu-nazi connections in Norway, as well as the owner of at least two guns with a hunter license.

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valerieSONORA

14 years ago

Andreas, what was his motive?

This is a copy paste from Dailymail.co.uk

Unknown group called 'Helpers of the Global Jihad' said to have posted message saying this is reaction to publication of Muhammed cartoons

Of course any group could have "claimed responsibility"

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Kay Zee

14 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Andreas, what was his motive?

This is a copy paste from Dailymail.co.uk

Unknown group called 'Helpers of the Global Jihad' said to have posted message saying this is reaction to publication of Muhammed cartoons

Of course any group could have "claimed responsibility"

Daily mail is a right wing racist newspaper. Kinda like your fox news.

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Daily mail is a right wing racist newspaper. Kinda like your fox news.

Are you for real or just a really bad troll?
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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay Zee

Daily mail is a right wing racist newspaper. Kinda like your fox news.

WOW, right wing wasn't enough? NOW you are saying fox news is racist? OK, it DOES have a right slant, I'll give you that. But they have had blacks, jewish people, hispanics, and asians, and mixed even as hosts. And they certainly do as guests.

And what of people like Juan Williams? He is somewhat left leaning, and WAS on NPR. They fired him on a rather minor thing, and Juan believe it was because he was on O'reilly, etc... Fox news offered him a job with a considerable raise! Doesn't sound racist. He's BLACK, by the way. Just saying, since it is a material fact here! He was born in panama, and Juan is spanish for John, so maybe he is hispanic ALSO. Who knows?

Juan Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Kay Zee

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

WOW, right wing wasn't enough? NOW you are saying fox news is racist? OK, it DOES have a right slant, I'll give you that. But they have had blacks, jewish people, hispanics, and asians, and mixed even as hosts. And they certainly do as guests.

And what of people like Juan Williams? He is somewhat left leaning, and WAS on NPR. They fired him on a rather minor thing, and Juan believe it was because he was on O'reilly, etc... Fox news offered him a job with a considerable raise! Doesn't sound racist. He's BLACK, by the way. Just saying, since it is a material fact here! He was born in panama, and Juan is spanish for John, so maybe he is hispanic ALSO. Who knows?

Juan Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steve

Honestly man, Would love to discuss this further but me and you both know the rules on WF. Thread will get deleted and both of us will get banned. I stick by what I said earlier though

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RuneE 14 years ago

Over 84 kids are reported killed is the news this morning.

This guy...

Is as stated from Andreas a kind of Nazi or muslim hater. His Facebook profile was filled with strong opinions at first so it got deleted.

Later on he managed to get a new account and supposedly only posted links to music vids.

This guy does not belong in our society.
Or any other society for that matter.

15 minutes away from my house is the Island where the massacre took place and this is so shocking and sickening.

Looking at the Norwegian news this morning just brings tears to our eyes.

Kids are being dragged out of the water.

The posting on this thread is only to bring light over what happened so you get the truth other than rumors.

We are still in shock today and we are experiencing an even worse kind of sadness when the numbers of the killed are rising.

The feelings we have around this should be concentrated in helping out the ones affected more than ourselves.

I am so sorry, for ALL of the familiies... There is no words suitable for describing this. End post.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay Zee

Daily mail is a right wing racist newspaper. Kinda like your fox news.

BTW for the record, daily mail, on the FIRST PAGE, now shows a blond non semetic looking person with a name that could be like icelandic. so he is definitely from that area apparently(iceland, denmark, norway, sweden, and finland are all basically scandinavian and the same people. They even have a very similar language, even if icelandic and finnish are less obviously like that.), and it says he is a native norwegian. So they are saying what others have. Of course, we may NEVER know the truth, but it RARELY comes out in hours.

SO FAR, we have:

ARAB, done for IMAM
ARAB, done as 9/11
ARAB, done for ridiculing MOHAMUD
ARAB, done to increase their acceptance(Oh well, I've heard DUMBER theories!)
ARAB, done for attacks
UN, done for ceasing attacks
INDIVIDUAL NON ARAB, ?

BTW theories culled from news, youtube, and the radio(Which culled them from callers and opinions)

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Kay Zee

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

BTW for the record, daily mail, on the FIRST PAGE, now shows a blond non semetic looking person with a name that could be like icelandic. so he is definitely from that area apparently(iceland, denmark, norway, sweden, and finland are all basically scandinavian and the same people. They even have a very similar language, even if icelandic and finnish are less obviously like that.), and it says he is a native norwegian. So they are saying what others have. Of course, we may NEVER know the truth, but it RARELY comes out in hours.

SO FAR, we have:

ARAB, done for IMAM
ARAB, done as 9/11
ARAB, done for ridiculing MOHAMUD
ARAB, done to increase their acceptance(Oh well, I've heard DUMBER theories!)
ARAB, done for attacks
UN, done for ceasing attacks
INDIVIDUAL NON ARAB, ?

BTW theories culled from news, youtube, and the radio(Which culled them from callers and opinions)

Steve

Steve,

Here is the thing, if the offender in this case was an Arab Muslim, you know what the headline would have read on the Daly Mail?

"Muslim Jihadist blows up oslo town centre"

I dont see the headline

"White Christian Male blows up oslo town centre"

on their front page. And I AM NOT saying that is what the headline should be. But their bigotry over the years is pretty obvious to most of the UK population.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay Zee

Steve,

Here is the thing, if the offender in this case was an Arab Muslim, you know what the headline would have read on the Daly Mail?

"Muslim Jihadist blows up oslo town centre"

I dont see the headline

"White Christian Male blows up oslo town centre"

on their front page. And I AM NOT saying that is what the headline should be. But their bigotry over the years is pretty obvious to most of the UK population.

WOW! Your regular news says white christian male robs bank, etc???? WOW!

I don't remember that. Somewhere around, I have some foreign newspapers. I think one is even from denmark. I'm going to have to look for them. I have NEVER seen that, outside of a case that would bleed into political. 8-( But NORMALLY, in a regular one? NOPE!

If it makes you feel better, since it was against expectations, they DID say he was 6' blond non arab. The headline" "Terror suspect named: Man held for youth summer camp massacre and Oslo car bombing that killed over 30 is a Norwegian national"

The 32-year-old Norwegian man arrested for gunning down children on the holiday island of Utoya has been named locally as Anders Behring Breivik. Described as 6ft tall and blond, he is reported to have arrived on the island of Utoya and opened fire after beckoning several young people over in his native Norwegian tongue. Reports suggest he was also seen loitering around the site of the bomb blast in Oslo two hours before the island incident. More than 30 are believed to have been killed - seven in Oslo and between 25 to 30 on Utoya Island, 50 miles north of the capital.

Oh well, like I said, we don't have enough info to convince ME anyway as to motives, etc... An "AMERICAN" is now leading arabs in Jihad! Nobody says it can't be a norwegian. Granted, it could be a TOTALLY different reason. Maybe he was crazy. WHO KNOWS? But I wouldn't gloat, or scream for whatever until facts DO come out.

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Kay Zee

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

WOW! Your regular news says white christian male robs bank, etc???? WOW!

I don't remember that. Somewhere around, I have some foreign newspapers. I think one is even from denmark. I'm going to have to look for them. I have NEVER seen that, outside of a case that would bleed into political. 8-( But NORMALLY, in a regular one? NOPE!

If it makes you feel better, since it was against expectations, they DID say he was 6' blond non arab. The headline" "Terror suspect named: Man held for youth summer camp massacre and Oslo car bombing that killed over 30 is a Norwegian national"

Did you even read what I said? I quote myself:

And I AM NOT saying that is what the headline should be.

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valerieSONORA

14 years ago

Ok nevermind. Refreshed the article and it has been updated and now it says they think he acted alone and not with Islamic extremists.

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derekwong28

14 years ago

Update: they are reporting at least 80 dead in the shooting alone. This must make it the worse mass shooting by a single person in history. I just can't imagine what the parents are going through.

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valerieSONORA

14 years ago

I haven't read anything about his faith. I know we can't talk abt religion here so not getting into that but just saying from what I read on the news he hasn't been identified of belonging to any particular religious group. Anyone have a news link that says his faith? And still haven't read a motive. Maybe that hasn't been released yet?

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dagaul101

14 years ago

This is shocking, Scandanavia has always seemed so distant and peaceful, no one would expect any of this nonsense to happen

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dagaul101

This is shocking, Scandanavia has always seemed so distant and peaceful, no one would expect any of this nonsense to happen

I heard they don't even allow handguns. But hey, bad things happen EVERYWHERE. 8-(
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Andreas B

14 years ago

Newest update is 91 people killed

And regarding the Freemason-thingy, the Norwegian Freemason orgainzation has released all names of active Freemasons for years, so his name was on that list far up on Google SERPs.

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Andreas B

14 years ago

He has now been sentenced to 21 years in jail, after paragraph §147A - Lovdata.no. Let's hope they find a way to punish him harder. He does NOT deserve jail in Norway, as some of them are nicer-looking than my own appartment.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

He has now been sentenced to 21 years in jail, after paragraph §147A - Lovdata.no. Let's hope they find a way to punish him harder. He does NOT deserve jail in Norway, as some of them are nicer-looking than my own appartment.

I hope they are at least TREATED harsher than they are in the US. Appearances at least can be deceiving.

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valerieSONORA

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

He has now been sentenced to 21 years in jail, after paragraph §147A - Lovdata.no. Let's hope they find a way to punish him harder. He does NOT deserve jail in Norway, as some of them are nicer-looking than my own appartment.

That was a very fast sentence. Did he have to make a plea of guilty? He woulda got the death penalty here for sure. Wonder if he can get out early for good behavior.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

That was a very fast sentence. Did he have to make a plea of guilty? He woulda got the death penalty here for sure. Wonder if he can get out early for good behavior.

Probably one of the benefits of such a LAX system. If they make a mistake, less harm is done, etc... In the US, they sometimes take death off the table SIMPLY to make a conviction easier and faster, In norway and denmark, and probably the rest of scandinavia, and I believe much of western europe, it is never an option.

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gareth

14 years ago

Bloody Vikings

Their all the same

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Andreas B 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

Bloody Vikings

Their all the same

What a thing to say..
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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

Bloody Vikings

Their all the same

They GLADLY celebrate their viking heritage. Who knows, they may even EAT the same. But they aren't how vikings were said to have been. Meaning that they aren't ones that forcibly take things, conquer, etc...

Originally Posted by Andreas B

He has now been sentenced to 21 years in jail, after paragraph §147A - Lovdata.no. Let's hope they find a way to punish him harder. He does NOT deserve jail in Norway, as some of them are nicer-looking than my own appartment.

I hope they are at least TREATED harsher than they are in the US. Appearances at least can be deceiving.

BTW regarding the freemasons, etc... They should watch where they go. Heck, some have said that this planet should be run by wmen because men are too hostile. The truth is that women can be hostile too. I'm not saying anything against those countries that are run by women. Heck, Angela Merkel has had/has hard decisions to make, and seems to be doing fine, and is apparently well respected. And she is one of several. I am simply saying it is unfair to say HEY, this guy is male, they're EVIL! Freemasons seems to be maybe the same sort of thing. The movies and game certainly are.

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RuneE 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

Bloody Vikings

Their all the same

Smart fella. NOT
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- seasoned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by RuneE
  
  Smart fella. NOT
  
  He apparently LOVES to say things like that. I responded only in a feeble attempt to cut them off. The danes are quick to criticize other scandinavians, and I haven't heard them say ANYTHING about viking like tendencies in anyone. I also met a few norwegians, including strangers right off the plane. They seem nice, and a guy yesterday, who is KNOWN for being critical, said norwegians are nice people!
  
  And I was in denmark and saw things dating to the vikings, etc... They are proud of it. Hey, it is nice to have a cultural pride. You can see a little article about that at Vikings in Denmark - Copenhagen Portal - Denmark<
  
  Today it is more for cultural pride and tourism than anything else. They ALSO have a havfrue in the harbor! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid_(statue)
  
  And if you get close to hans christian Andersens house, it becomes VERY obvious! The have flags hanging from lightposts, etc...
  
  There are probably lots of other things. They cherish and use their history, but it IS history.
  
  BTW the danes are nice too. I HAVE met more of them, which is one reason that I treat it like one country. It used to be one country. Things change. Switzerland is one country, but look close, and you find it is kind of many. Even the official ISO 2 symbol CH. Helvetica CONFEDERATION, shows that. It's even on their coins. Luckily, they only speak 4 languages. 8-)
  
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