This stuff makes the push button profits guru's look like saints!

13 years ago

Hello,

Pretty amazing the methods being used on that site. Even his voice sounds like he is about to croak.. You just know it is some young marketer that came up with this tactic...

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Bill Farnham

13 years ago

I got a spam email the other day with the subject line "Internet Marketing Guru Dies".

Delete.

~Bill

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WD Mino 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

I got a spam email the other day with the subject line "Internet Marketing Guru Dies".

Delete.

~Bill

I was wondering why you didn't respond
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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by kellyburdes

I've always owned my own products and not gotten much into affiliate marketing - but I'm curious to learn new things, and especially to do better with traffic. Because of this I'm running some campaigns and marketing as a pure affiliate.

Tonight I was doing some research on different Clickbank products and niches, and came across this: Lotto Strategies For Winners

To be honest it nearly made me sick. A "math professor dying of lung cancer who has won over $40million playing the lotto, revealing his "secret system" as his last good deed to man kind".

People very often on this forum talk about how Internet marketing has sunk to a new low, and rightly get upset about many of the scam products out there, but my god! At least the people selling "push button profit" IM products, or Forex Robots or any number of other scams are at least selling you a dream that could happen if you right the ship.

This stuff is just outright fraud.

I thought it might be kind of a one off thing, but it's not. There is an entire category of this stuff on CB, and evidently they must do pretty well. I know Gravity isn't the be all, end all of what your sales are, but plenty of these products have gravity ranks near 100.

Anyway, I just had to bitch about this, and no-one in my family really cares much about IM - so I figured I'd share it here.

They do it the same reason 419 scammers pull the crap they do: There will always be that small niche desperate enough to cling to ANYHTING that promises to give them some money. It's terrible. At least you can scambait the 419ers and make them waste some time and money. Can't see that really happening with this.

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

I got a spam email the other day with the subject line "Internet Marketing Guru Dies".

Delete.

~Bill

I got the same email, quickest unsubscribe I ever did. Is that how low Imers have sunk? I like to hope not and that this was just some idiot.

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kellyburdes

13 years ago

Who knows. I'm a terrible speller, and my grammar often makes me look like I flunked out of the third grade, but for a supposedly American born professor of anything this person's is just awful.

I'm guessing whoever it is, they are not from the US, or any other primarily English speaking country.

This particular product has a gravity of 8, and hopefully that means they are not getting much in terms of sales. There are other products in the niche with gravity over 100 though, some of them nearly as sales pitches almost as scummy (pretty hard to go lower than claiming to be dying of cancer and donating your profits to charity...so I doubt (HOPE) nothing is worse on Clickbank)

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Rich Struck

13 years ago

Yeah but...

It costs only $77.00 and a good part of money will be donated to cancer charity.

What a joke.

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Sapan Verma

13 years ago

Looks like he's working a on a new model based on sympathy and charity. If the greed factor isn't gonna get you the hook that some proceeds will go to charity and the fact that he'll kick the bucket anytime might do the trick. Unethical all the way.

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kellyburdes

13 years ago

It's not by any means a new angle or model. It's a charlatan snake oil scam almost as old as the hills. I just can't believe Clickbank lets anything from this "niche", let alone this specific product, into it's marketplace.

Originally Posted by Sapan Verma

Looks like he's working a on a new model based on sympathy and charity. If the greed factor isn't gonna get you the hook that some proceeds will go to charity and the fact that he'll kick the bucket anytime might do the trick. Unethical all the way.

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stuzilla 13 years ago

Wow. How does this even make sales?
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sscot

13 years ago

Say, Baw.... Baw.... Baw.... Never say, Wow! A pocket blow......

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Gail Ogden 13 years ago

I guess they don't know or don't care that it's fraud to fake cancer.
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- kellyburdes 13 years ago
  
  I'm sure they are very aware, but just couldn't be bothered to care about things like ethics and integrity.
  
  I suppose just by selling this type of product in the first place you show a little something about yourself, but the angle they are going at it from takes it to a whole new level of low.
  
  Originally Posted by Gail Ogden
  
  I guess they don't know or don't care that it's fraud to fake cancer.
  Molino Couple In Court In Alleged Cancer Scam Case : NorthEscambia.com
  
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MrWonton

13 years ago

That is a truly awful photoshop.

AWFUL.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by kellyburdes

plenty of these products have gravity ranks near 100.

In that niche, that's often an indication that nearly 100 people have each bought a copy of the product through their own affiliate links. It doesn't mean that anyone's actually promoting it at all - let alone that it's selling (to anyone else). In this sort of niche, high gravity often goes with very low sales.

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kellyburdes

13 years ago

That's an interesting observation Alexa. Thank you for pointing it out. What other niche's do you find that are like that as well?

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Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

In that niche, that's often an indication that nearly 100 people have each bought a copy of the product through their own affiliate links. It doesn't mean that anyone's actually promoting it at all - let alone that it's selling (to anyone else). In this sort of niche, high gravity often goes with very low sales.

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sloanjim

13 years ago

Well...hmmm....there was guy on here selling a system wo narrow the odds of winning the lottos down from about 15 million to one to about 2 million to one ...it's all maths and probailites..no i haven't won it yet (would I be here if i did LOL) but gotta say i was impressed with it. Now I didn;t buy it demand my money back after 2 lottos tries as i never won the Big one etc Like i am sure many would do...He spelled out very clear it was about narrowing your odds to win.

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Kurt 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

There is no way to narrow the odds of winning the lottery.

It is a mathematical impossibility.

Each ticket sold has exactly the same chance of winning.

I agree, but there are a couple of theoretical things one can do...

First, only choose numbers above 31. This is because most people bet their birthdays and family member birthdays. This doesn't increase the chances on winning, it only decreases the chances that if you do win, it isn't as likely that you'll have to share the jackpot.

The other theoretical way to improve your odds is to only play when the jackpot is higher than the odds of winning. For example, if the odds of winning are 1 in 70 million, and assuming a ticket is $1....Then when the jackpot is more than $70 million you're actually at a possitive advantage.

In theory, you could buy all 70 million tickets and ensure yourself of being a winner.

Of course, there's also the possibility someone else could win and you'd need to split the jackpot. But on the other hand, not all of the 70 million tickets are losers and you should have a number of $1, $5, $100 etc winners.

And this pretty much concludes all the ways to improve one's "skill" at playing the lottery.
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kellyburdes

13 years ago

Not to be rude, but you should probably take a math class.

Originally Posted by sloanjim

Well...hmmm....there was guy on here selling a system wo narrow the odds of winning the lottos down from about 15 million to one to about 2 million to one ...it's all maths and probailites..no i haven't won it yet (would I be here if i did LOL) but gotta say i was impressed with it. Now I didn;t buy it demand my money back after 2 lottos tries as i never won the Big one etc Like i am sure many would do...He spelled out very clear it was about narrowing your odds to win.

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sloanjim

13 years ago

Maybe it was true? Amy Winehouse wasn't into I./M was she?

I got a spam email the other day with the subject line "Internet Marketing Guru Dies".

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BloggingPro

13 years ago

Reminds me of a "Roulette System" I saw on Clickbank once.

Sales page you could make money like clockwork from Roulette. Now call me a skeptic, but isn't the reason a game is called a Casino game is because it makes the Casino money?

They say "Vegas wasn't built on Winners!" The last hotel I stayed in while there seemed to flaunt that in your face quite well I must say.

I, however, have a great system for making money while playing Roulette. Put $50 on black and if you win... 1. Get up from table, 2. Walk Away!

For some reason I haven't figured out what the steps should be for the "you lose" part yet. I guess you could do the same thing, but you didn't make any money!

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