UPDATE: Norway Killer Is A Right Wing Extremist

Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

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thunderbird 13 years ago

This is the killer:

Norway Attacks: Anders Behring Breivik Reported as Suspect - ABC News
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Patrician

13 years ago

Wow. That is horrible -

Something even more perverse about 'home grown' terrorists - than 'the usual suspects' -

I am however relieved that it is not an organization where there may be more to come and we don't know where or when.

Hopefully they got the right guy and he acted alone.

My deepest condolences to those that lost their lives or their loved ones.

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seasoned

13 years ago

THERE YOU GO, a swing in the OTHER direction, like "Kay Zee" wanted!

Update: The alleged gunman has now been identified as Anders Behring Breivik. What appears to be his Facebook page lists his religious views as Christian and his political views as conservative. It lists a number of classical philosophical and literary works as his favorite books, cites True Blood and Stargate Universe as among his favorite television shows, and names World of Warcraft as among his favorite games.

OK, obviously people here have differences of opinion on Christian, and conservative, so I'll bypass those. "True blood"? I'm told it is POPULAR! World of Warcraft, aka WOW? AGAIN, popular, and perhaps the ONLY one of its genre to be ADVERTISED ON TV, at least in the US. OK, I have no interest in those. If you want, you can convict all the millions with such an interest.

But HEY, I LIKE stargate universe! I haven't watched much of IT, but it seems rather even, showing how life might be in such a case. For those that don't know, SG1, briefly described below, finds a planet that has a gate that can go somewhere outside of the known gate system. They create a game to get the planet to work on this top secret code without revealing the truth. A young kid cracks the code. They hijack the kid, and take him to the planet. The planet gets attacked, so there only hope is through the gate. They get through the gate and end up on a VERY old ship, that is VERY worn. The oxygen system is nearly exhausted, it is nearly out of power, etc... There is really no known way to get back. The story starts with them trying to figure out how to fix the ship and stop for food and power before they die, and I last saw their 4th attack by aliens. Only ONE alien apparently wanted to help.

SG1, the central part of the franchise, shows a LOT of cultures, and a LOT of political setups, etc... and treats them fairly. Even the G'auld have the Tokra. The Taree(aka EARTHLINGS) have allied with the Tokra to fight OTHERS of their species called the g'auld? WHY? Because the tokrah would let us be, and the G'auld want to enslave ALL humans to ensure obedience, and omnipotence. They see humans as existing only to serve them. The americans got in trouble for working alone, allied with the russians, and eventually everyone else. OH, and the taree ALSO have the asgard as friends. They are about as different as a sentient species capable of building things is likely to be. They are like the grey ETs! I wonder how Breivik felt about THEM! You see, if you look at the SG franchise at ALL, you start to see religion thrown in. The asgard represent the NORDIC gods, that SCANDINAVA has! In fact, the most prominent is THOR, god of thunder. Then again, that wasn't as apparent on SGU. 8-(

According to a Google translation of a Norwegian news article, however, Breivik's current Facebook profile was created only recently, and he had a previous profile on which he expressed "controversial" right-wing opinions. He considered himself a "nationalist" and was strongly opposed to multiculturalism and to Islam.

RECENTLY? SUSPICIOUS! They don't tell even what the right wing opinions are? Nationalist could mean other things besides NAZI. Basically wanting to limit immigration, and change, could be considered nationalistic. Apparantly, Norway is getting to be almost like a little pakistan. I can understand his discomfort. STILL, that doesn't mean he would KILL them. And of the kids that were killed, how many of THEM were islamic, etc? BTW regarding the youth group reference? The youth group was from the labour party. There is a fair chance they were ALL native norwegian nationals.

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Patrician

13 years ago

So irrelevant, the 'views' of a psychopath/sociopath aka mass murderer.

Although you wonder where they are coming from it wouldn't be logical no matter which way he swings.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

So irrelevant, the 'views' of a psychopath/sociopath aka mass murderer.

Although you wonder where they are coming from it wouldn't be logical no matter which way he swings.

I completely agree with you. A toxic mind turns anything that enters it into poison.

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garyv

13 years ago

I agree, it doesn't matter right extreme or left extreme, the person that did this is straight up crazy. No sane person from the right or left would agree w/ this activity.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Patrician,

If they can find out what made him feel he had to do this, maybe they can avert others.

The movies and games weren't it. I've known people involved with those things, many of them have different politics than I do, but I doubt they would hurt anyone.

The religion and conservative(at least how it is meant here) views didn't do it.

As for that site, do we even know HE set it up? There are just too many questions.

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Patrician

13 years ago

Steve, you are missing my point.

He is from the party of the deranged, whichever door he came through.

There is no logic.

How you gonna 'avert' that?

It is demonic.

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Patrician,

If they can find out what made him feel he had to do this, maybe they can avert others.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

Steve, you are missing my point.

He is from the party of the deranged, whichever door he came through.

There is no logic.

How you gonna 'avert' that?

It is demonic.

I know here you are coming from. A short's effects are not 100% predictable. And I HAVE seen some crazy people. I once went to a UCLA mental ward to comfort a person that was a friend of someone I knew. HE is off, to say the least, but I also met like 3 Jesus guys, and they WEREN'T hispanic. NOTE, I mention that because Jesus(pronounced heysews) is a popular name among hispanics, but NOT others, so far as I can tell.

But hey, I might have had a bulb burn out yesterday or something. I eventually turned all my computers off, and disconnected my laptop, because of the lightning. It HAS been known to create problems. Oh well, maybe I am expecting too much from humanity. I mean on the ONE hand I would like associations made to AVOID problems BUT, on the other hand, associations have been made that CREATED problems.

It is like the old carrot theory. You know, carrots must cause cancer because all that had cancer have probably had them. They ALSO used to believe that flies were CREATED from rotting meat.

And sometimes paying for things, like studies, brings out the SCAMMERs and quacks.

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valerieSONORA

13 years ago

Crazy stuff. Nobody would expect this in a place like norway. And 1 man could do so much damage.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Nice looking guy - except the look in his eyes. He doesn't even LOOK all there. I know that look. Nothing on the other side of it is human. Still when someone commits an act like that - you know that in THEIR head they are doing it for a reason. I can't help but wondering what he thought he was accomplishing?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Nice looking guy - except the look in his eyes. He doesn't even LOOK all there. I know that look. Nothing on the other side of it is human. Still when someone commits an act like that - you know that in THEIR head they are doing it for a reason. I can't help but wondering what he thought he was accomplishing?

Yeah, it would be interesting to find the REAL intent behind that page, etc... The photo there DOES make him look sick. The freemason photo looks a LOT better. At least one can forgive the dumb smirk there:

Norway attacks gunman Anders Behring Breivik was a right-wing extremist who hated Muslims | Mail Online

According to the article,According to sweden, he is associated with Is national socialism open for interpertations? [Arkiv] - Nordisk.nu That link goes to a page where they basically say they admire hitler and want the same thing.

But MAN! Granted I don't know how NAZI sympathizers talk to one another but "racial regards", etc... That is an ODD way to talk. It sounds contrived. The domain was registered 2007-07-12.

I took the first post from a thread THEY apparently wrote to describe it. Nationalsocialism - Ekonomi - Höger eller vänster? [Arkiv] - Nordisk.nu I then ran it through Babylon that got it to:

May be considered political

So to convert words, etc:

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To:
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May be considered political.

Lookup Strasserism and Sven Olov Lindholm YOURSELF and see where they stand.

NAZI? YEP!

Not the US interpretation of right wing or conservative.

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thunderbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Nice looking guy - except the look in his eyes. He doesn't even LOOK all there. I know that look. Nothing on the other side of it is human. Still when someone commits an act like that - you know that in THEIR head they are doing it for a reason. I can't help but wondering what he thought he was accomplishing?

I'm not sure I would have seen the monster lurking behind his eyes, but there is a strange glaze to them.

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I'm not sure, I would have seen the monster lurking behind his eyes, but there is a strange glaze to them.

yeah, it is like nobody is home. Was he practicing to be a male model or something? I mean these look posed like he is trying to be a mannequin.

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gabbydeb 13 years ago

His handsome young face, has a sad lost look about it. Kind of haunting really.

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I'm not sure I would have seen the monster lurking behind his eyes, but there is a strange glaze to them.
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- Dave Patterson 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by gabbydeb
  
  His handsome young face, has a sad lost look about it. Kind of haunting really.
  
  He looks like the blonde version of a younger John Travolta...
  
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  Let me suggest that the human animal is not driven by logic. Efforts to find a logical reason for this would be an exercise in futility.
  
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  Originally Posted by Patrician
  
  Although you wonder where they are coming from it wouldn't be logical no matter which way he swings.
  
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  You can't find logic...
  
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13 years ago

you just have to feel for the samilies of the young people who got killed, this should not be happening and just shows what a godless world we live in.

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normanton

13 years ago

l think latest report says 95 killed..

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Kay King 13 years ago

You can't find logic or pattern in a warped mind, Steve. What frustrates us most is that no matter how smart or cautious we are - we can't stop all the bad things from happening.

We can't anticipate the action of every crazy or zealot out there - and we can't explain the mayhem they cause. There is no way to explain "nuts" because there's no sense to these killings. Not sure there's sense in ANY killing of any person or creature.

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Andreas B

13 years ago

newest update: 85 DEAD ON THE ISLAND ALONE, 4-5 missing on Utoya.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

I have the feeling the terrorist also had a problem with the immigration situation in his country.

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Sweely99 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I have the feeling the terrorist also had a problem with the immigration situation in his country.

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No, he did not. He just didn't like muslims.
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- seasoned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Sweely99
  
  No, he did not. He just didn't like muslims.
  
  WOW, that is UNUSUAL! EVEN with NAZI Germany, if you look closely, they wanted ONLY native germans!
  
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  Originally Posted by Sweely99
  
  No, he did not. He just didn't like muslims.
  
  Were there a lot of Muslims in his country??
  
  I also heard he is a follower of the anti-immigration Dutch guy.
  
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  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator
  
  Were there a lot of Muslims in his country??
  
  I also heard he is a follower of the anti-immigration Dutch guy.
  
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  Apparently, there are a LOT of muslims there. The nordisk site lists a swedish and a german guy.
  
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I have the feeling the terrorist also had a problem with the immigration situation in his country.

TL

Profile: The Christian Extremist Suspect in Norway's Massacre - Global - The Atlantic Wire

Yes, seems so. Once approached it in a more mainstream way:

"The suspect, Anders Behring Breivik, has been tagged as a former member of the right winged political party Frp (Progress party). It's the second largest political party in Norway and their main issues are lower taxes and a much stricter policy on immigration. The Frp-leader, Siv Jensen, verified his membership on Norwegian TV2 a little while ago."

I believe that if some other ideological platform had entered his toxic mind, he would probably still have taken it in a violent direction, but with different targets.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Profile: The Christian Extremist Suspect in Norway's Massacre - Global - The Atlantic Wire

Yes, seems so. Once approached it in a more mainstream way:

"The suspect, Anders Behring Breivik, has been tagged as a former member of the right winged political party Frp (Progress party). It's the second largest political party in Norway and their main issues are lower taxes and a much stricter policy on immigration. The Frp-leader, Siv Jensen, verified his membership on Norwegian TV2 a little while ago."

I believe that if some other ideological platform had entered his toxic mind, he would probably still have taken it in a violent direction, but with different targets.

Will someone explain to me why the Europeans have allowed immigration??

I understand that there are ties to former colonies but why the huge immigration??

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Will someone explain to me why the Europeans have allowed immigration??

I understand that there are ties to former colonies but why the huge immigration??

TL

I believe the type of immigration we are talking about HERE is required by some international body. There were a LOT of rules and laws, for such things, created after WWII. Such matters aside though, it IS fact that various countries have a kind of hardship type immigration. The US does to a degree ALSO, but germany, Denmark, and Norway certainly do! Ironically, this tends to include those they probably should be LEAST likely to allow. So an iraqi or pakistani that indicates they have suffered a hardship may be placed at the TOP of the list! Remember that recent IMF scandal? The plaintiff did JUST THAT to immigrate! And my danish aunt actually worked for the danish government in facilitating the transition for refugees to denmark, at least as part of her job!

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gabbydeb

13 years ago

This has sort of turned into a political topic which is a no no here, however I am glad it hasn't turned into a conservative religious bashing thread, like you see so many times, in a lot of different forums.

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dagaul101

13 years ago

There is no excuse for this barbaric nonsense, unfortunately there are so many insane folks in this world who are looking for any excuse or lack of to justify their stupid acts

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derekwong28

13 years ago

Beck: Norway camp smacks of 'Hitler Youth' - CNN.com

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TLTheLiberator 13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Beck: Norway camp smacks of 'Hitler Youth' - CNN.com

I'm not surprised he would say something like that and he always tops it off with his "trademark" hypocrisy.

He also said something ugly about the victims of Katrina and the 9/11 victims' families.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Beck: Norway camp smacks of 'Hitler Youth' - CNN.com

He DOES have a point and OH how I would love to say more. That is NOT to say that they WERE NAZIs or even that the LABOUR party is but... Well...

Im sure that th labour party's intentions are good, and it runs fine for the most part. Even the term labor...

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jimbo13 13 years ago

Well at least their murderers and rapists get sent to harsh prisons.

Norway killer could be held in 'luxury prison' - Telegraph

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  Well at least their murderers and rapists get sent to harsh prisons.
  
  Norway killer could be held in 'luxury prison' - Telegraph
  
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  OH NO! NOW they even have FRIDGES! Yeah, can't have them drink spoiled milk! I wonder if that idea got to the US yet. Oh well, in the US, you can buy a LOT of things. I'm sure one is MILK. I guess the fridge is the next idea.
  
  BTW even I don't have a fridge in my bedroom. 8-( Yeah, I don't care about most designer furniture. I hope they mean the austere kind! I think a lot of scandinavian countries have that kind. Basically form over function. As for the TV sets, you may have seen me speak against THOSE for felons. Well, I say CABLE, because THAT is even WORSE but, well... But yeah, we DO have THAT in the US. We EVEN have furniture in prision that is like some of the designer stuff in scandinavia. It isn't fancy, or expensive, but it has the same level of function. Of course I am referring to the austere type.
  
  And by austere, I am NOT saying any thing against scandinavia, that is simply how some designer stuff is. And others may look at it, and say OH it is beautiful! It is SLEEK! And it MAY be expensive! I look at it and say well THIS one is cheaper, sturdier, and does more.
  
  BTW if they buy milk, it usually isn't with any money THEY earned, so it is like they got it for free. Let them buy more when they are next out or something. The average US home probably ddn't even have a refrigerator until the 1900s! The AMISH don't. Why should prisoners have ANYTHING the amish don't! Hey, THAT would be a good model for a prison! Work them like grown amish men, and give them ONLY the items that would be appropriate for an amish person in such a condition(a horse and buggy, for example, wouldn't make sense), and simply look them up in those small cells and let them pretend to be like shunned amish. THEN you will start to get like a prison! BTW I believe the amish DON'T have A/C EITHER! They ALSO don't have TVs! You see where I am going here?
  
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derekwong28

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

He DOES have a point and OH how I would love to say more. That is NOT to say that they WERE NAZIs or even that the LABOUR party is but... Well...

Im sure that th labour party's intentions are good, and it runs fine for the most part. Even the term labor...

Steve

I thought it was a bit strange as well to have a political camp for children. But it is still a extremely bad time to make a comparison to a Nazi camp in public.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Stephen Colbert has an interesting look at the coverage of this atrocity...

Scroll down bit for the video.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...or?via=siderec

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HeySal

13 years ago

Logic requires objective reasoning. To do what this guy did requires a sociopathic mind - which is basically unable to reason with objectivity. Everything is subjective to a sociopath. They hide it well because they know hiding it is in their own best interest. There are clues, but they are often easily missed if you aren't actually looking for them.

The man is incredibly good looking - but I'll put money on the fact that even when he laughs you won't see any emotion in the eyes. Sad waste. I wonder what happened to him to turn him nuts like this? I'm afraid we're going to see more of it as politicians push globalization. History has shown that trying to mix cultures by force does not work out any too well. America was once a melting pot, but as we built our own cultural traditions and became our own country it also became a dangerous thing to try to just allow an unchecked flow of other cultures into the country. You can't do that. It disrupts the existing culture and induces chaos. People do not respond well to chaos. In any culture, if you introduce a new culture that refuses to melt into the existing one, you're going to see this type of thing - we're seeing the beginnings of it now. Right now the acts of terrorism are scattered even though they are escalating. Further attempts to force immigration without enforcing cultural codes could result in wars that resemble the religious wars that have been ongoing in the middle east for so long. America isn't far from one itself. I'm surprised we haven't had a religious or cultural war type outbreak already.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Logic requires objective reasoning. To do what this guy did requires a sociopathic mind - which is basically unable to reason with objectivity. Everything is subjective to a sociopath. They hide it well because they know hiding it is in their own best interest. There are clues, but they are often easily missed if you aren't actually looking for them.

The man is incredibly good looking - but I'll put money on the fact that even when he laughs you won't see any emotion in the eyes. Sad waste. I wonder what happened to him to turn him nuts like this? I'm afraid we're going to see more of it as politicians push globalization. History has shown that trying to mix cultures by force does not work out any too well. America was once a melting pot, but as we built our own cultural traditions and became our own country it also became a dangerous thing to try to just allow an unchecked flow of other cultures into the country. You can't do that. It disrupts the existing culture and induces chaos. People do not respond well to chaos. In any culture, if you introduce a new culture that refuses to melt into the existing one, you're going to see this type of thing - we're seeing the beginnings of it now.

Right now the acts of terrorism are scattered even though they are escalating. Further attempts to force immigration without enforcing cultural codes could result in wars that resemble the religious wars that have been ongoing in the middle east for so long.

America isn't far from one itself.

I'm surprised we haven't had a religious or cultural war type outbreak already.

Who verses who would be involved in this possible "religious" or "cultural" war in America?

I'd love to know.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Logic requires objective reasoning. To do what this guy did requires a sociopathic mind - which is basically unable to reason with objectivity. Everything is subjective to a sociopath. They hide it well because they know hiding it is in their own best interest. There are clues, but they are often easily missed if you aren't actually looking for them.

The man is incredibly good looking - but I'll put money on the fact that even when he laughs you won't see any emotion in the eyes. Sad waste. I wonder what happened to him to turn him nuts like this? I'm afraid we're going to see more of it as politicians push globalization. History has shown that trying to mix cultures by force does not work out any too well. America was once a melting pot, but as we built our own cultural traditions and became our own country it also became a dangerous thing to try to just allow an unchecked flow of other cultures into the country. You can't do that. It disrupts the existing culture and induces chaos. People do not respond well to chaos. In any culture, if you introduce a new culture that refuses to melt into the existing one, you're going to see this type of thing - we're seeing the beginnings of it now. Right now the acts of terrorism are scattered even though they are escalating. Further attempts to force immigration without enforcing cultural codes could result in wars that resemble the religious wars that have been ongoing in the middle east for so long. America isn't far from one itself. I'm surprised we haven't had a religious or cultural war type outbreak already.

Well, earlier most imigrants to the US were LEGAL, and tried to assimilate, and there wasn't a public, well..., suffice it to say that the american dream was to make it ON YOUR OWN, and have enough money to be able to live a good life. SURE EVENTUALLY that meant you could, and probably would, have a home. But HEY, you can own a home in Mexico! You CAN own one even in denmark though it is apparently not considered the proper thing. I don't know why. My aunt and uncle have a nice little home in denmark. They put me up in a little room in the attic. It WAS small, but it was comfy, and a SPARE ROOM! The rest of the place was also small, but livable. My uncle could even keep all his JB decanters out. And there was a nice little yard. It LOOKED like a house, etc... but apparently they rent. And I can't say if this was the average danes home. I wasn't in enough of them. But they both made a good amount of money.

I was EVEN in like the first or second grade with an person from INDIA! Outside of the appearance, and the fact that he DID say he was from india, you couldn't tell he was indian. I wish I could say one little thing I recently found out about some training some people get now, WOW!

Did you know that around late 1989 Several dutch companies started INSISTING the workers learn DUTCH. Truth be told, my uncle learned danish slowly, but he was later told to learn danish or else. He learned it pretty quickly. Many danes CAN speak english, and his boss spoke english to him a lot, to learn english better etc...

As to that guy? Like I said, he looks like a mannequin, like nobody is home.

derekwong28,

When is a good time for whites, men, christians, right wing, etc...

Andreas,

In english it doesn't mean much, but if you translate the german words for that ideology, or look at the politics behind it, you'll start to see the point. It is a pity that people look at the killing, and the idea of who, at least in the US, currently speaks against some kind of "immigration", and they ignore the rest.

I'd like to quote wikipedias references to "Strasserism" and "Sven Olov Lindholm". THEY are the two the nodisk.nu site credits for their politics. Anders supposedly frequented that site. It would be interesting to see the pollitics, and just ignore the rest. Anyway, I am just informing. Not trying to start an argument. I don't like the parts we are talking about here, and most of their politics I am 100% AGAINST! I say most because who knows what little thing we might agree on. It crtainly isn't anything they have stated in their beliefs.

Almost everyone on FOX, including as one person put it, the guy with the chalk board and fake glasses, would tell you the same. The person I just referred to, that called the mormon names, is Jewish, and very ethnically so, and HE would say the same as I have here. BTW it is interesting! Wikipedia says he has summarized his political philosophy in three words: borders, language, and culture.

He DOES sprinkle yiddish words around, and supports teaching kids other languages, and speaking a native tongue at home. He has a jewish sound to his voice, if you know what I mean. He ALSO is all for celebrating different cultures. He spoke of Chinese and Italian friends for example, and THEIR cultures, and celebrates his own.

Do you think he could be talking about relating to the general public, etc?

The names were removed to protect the innocent, though most could guess who I am talking about.

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HeySal

13 years ago

And when is it a good time for that, Derek? If those kids are being indoctrinated into something via that camp, then there is a valid logical comparison to be drawn. Especially if they are there via force rather than preference and if they are learning zealotry of any form.

That's one of the things I have been wondering - what is going on on that island? This guy is supposed to hate Muslims. Okay - why would he pick this camp as the one to strike? There are Muslim groups all over the place, yet he picked THIS place to strike. What did he see going on that made these kids a future threat in his eyes?
Even most sociopaths "see" something going on before they make a strike like this. It wasn't a random choice. There are Muslim churches and schools that might have just as easily been targeted, but he chose the camp. Why? Even a blinging nut job would realize their own chance of escape was better on a main land target.

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derekwong28

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

And when is it a good time for that, Derek? If those kids are being indoctrinated into something via that camp, then there is a valid logical comparison to be drawn. Especially if they are there via force rather than preference and if they are learning zealotry of any form.

That's one of the things I have been wondering - what is going on on that island? This guy is supposed to hate Muslims. Okay - why would he pick this camp as the one to strike? There are Muslim groups all over the place, yet he picked THIS place to strike. What did he see going on that made these kids a future threat in his eyes?
Even most sociopaths "see" something going on before they make a strike like this. It wasn't a random choice. There are Muslim churches and schools that might have just as easily been targeted, but he chose the camp. Why? Even a blinging nut job would realize their own chance of escape was better on a main land target.

Sal, there is a good example of this.

The Madrid train bombings just occurred before the Spanish elections. The right wing parties were poised to win but because of that event, the socialists got elected instead. The socialist government then promptly pulls troops out of Iraq.

By targeting the main stream population, the shooter want to change Norway's immigration policy for the long term.

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Andreas B

13 years ago

I can confirm that AUF's camp is NOTHING but kids/teenagers who is interested in the labor party's political ideology; social democratism. Comparing it to a nazi camp is just horrible, everyone who does that should re-think if they even believe so themselves - that's just a lack of any respect for anyone.

The kids/teenagers at Utoya has said themselves that Anders (the killer) does NOT deserve death penalty, except for a lifetime in prison. They do not want to see him killed or tortured, as that's against everything these AUF members believe in.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

I heard the cops in Norway don't even carry guns.

What goes on????

TL

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Andreas B

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I heard the cops in Norway don't even carry guns.

What goes on????

TL

No. The regular Norwegian police is not allowed to carry firearms, only batons. A regular police would only be able to carry and use firearms in event of a murder, or if someone else (the suspect) is carrying a gun. Else of that, the Delta group carries MP5's and M4A1's as far as I know.

"We" believe that there is a lot less corruption and selling/loosing of firearms when the regular police man isn't able to carry one around at all times. Our social democratic society doesn't enjoy watching police with hand guns, so it's quite a difference travelling to other countries where all police officers can carry guns at all times.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

No. The regular Norwegian police is not allowed to carry firearms, only batons. A regular police would only be able to carry and use firearms in event of a murder, or if someone else (the suspect) is carrying a gun. Else of that, the Delta group carries MP5's and M4A1's as far as I know.

"We" believe that there is a lot less corruption and selling/loosing of firearms when the regular police man isn't able to carry one around at all times. Our social democratic society doesn't enjoy watching police with hand guns, so it's quite a difference travelling to other countries where all police officers can carry guns at all times.

That's amazing.

Can you help me understand why a country like Norway would allow immigration????

( actually that goes for the rest of Europe )

I heard something about your birth rates are low so you sorta were forced to do it or are there other reasons??

Please help.

All The Best!!

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

That's amazing.

Can you help me understand why a country like Norway would allow immigration????

( actually that goes for the rest of Europe )

I heard something about your birth rates are low so you sorta were forced to do it or are there other reasons??

Please help.

All The Best!!

TL

I thought you were VERY pro immigration! If norway had less immigration, they might have more kids. In any event, why would they care to THAT degree?

No, since about the 2nd world war it has been general policy. I don't know if it is because so few were willing to take the germanic jews, or if it was because of the UN, or what, but they do.

Andrea,

Sometimes one question leads to another even if the two are not really found to be related. This guy created TERROR, and it was a while before people knew who he was so they figured he was muslim, as most people today that create terrorism ARE. That brought up the immigration policy, and TLs question. EVEN though the terrorist is apparently not muslim, it doesn't answer the question. Besides, anders did this because of the muslims. He might have done it if they were jewish, or asian, etc... but he did it because of the muslims. And that nordic.nu site shows that a lot of people agree with him in scandinavia. The site covers sweden and denmark also. It DOES have an English language area, but that is supposed to be for EVERYONE else. Obviously, according to THIS domain, it is mainly targeted to norway.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I thought you were VERY pro immigration! If norway had less immigration, they might have more kids. In any event, why would they care to THAT degree?

No, since about the 2nd world war it has been general policy. I don't know if it is because so few were willing to take the germanic jews, or if it was because of the UN, or what, but they do.

Andrea,

Sometimes one question leads to another even if the two are not really found to be related. This guy created TERROR, and it was a while before people knew who he was so they figured he was muslim, as most people today that create terrorism ARE. That brought up the immigration policy, and TLs question. EVEN though the terrorist is apparently not muslim, it doesn't answer the question. Besides, anders did this because of the muslims. He might have done it if they were jewish, or asian, etc... but he did it because of the muslims. And that nordic.nu site shows that a lot of people agree with him in scandinavia. The site covers sweden and denmark also. It DOES have an English language area, but that is supposed to be for EVERYONE else. Obviously, according to THIS domain, it is mainly targeted to norway.

Steve

I'm a little leery of you speaking for me.

I am pro-imm in U.S.A. - especially since...

... they're already here and are not going to leave.

My question for all of the "Europeans" ( not you ) revolves around why the policy of immigration in the first place???

Is Norway just following the UK and bigger European countries??

Has it been explained to the population by the leadership???

TL

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Andreas B

13 years ago

Well, I've kinda already answered you in the other thread regarding the terrorist attack. I don't believe that immigration is a question here at all. It was a fellow Norwegian who was behind the attack, not a muslim, Al-Qaida, a jew or anything (<- absolutely no offence intended). A multicultural society is way better than any other option. I'm not scared of muslims in Norway. After seeing what another Norwegian could do to my country, I'm more afraid of my ghastly white neighbor than anyone else.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

Well, I've kinda already answered you in the other thread regarding the terrorist attack. I don't believe that immigration is a question here at all. It was a fellow Norwegian who was behind the attack, not a muslim, Al-Qaida, a jew or anything (<- absolutely no offence intended). A multicultural society is way better than any other option. I'm not scared of muslims in Norway. After seeing what another Norwegian could do to my country, I'm more afraid of my ghastly white neighbor than anyone else.

wow! does that include your MOTHER? Or are you even white?

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seasoned

13 years ago

In the US, you have two kinds of security guards. One CAN'T carry guns. luckily, over 90% of security is being careful, and creating second thoughts, so guns usually aren't needed. Then, there are cases like:

‪400 Cops - VS - Two heavily-armed and...

The 400 is probably an exaggeration, but this was probably the best planned front door armed daylight bank robbery in history. Unfortunately, they KNEW it, and decided to confront ANYONE. Cops kept coming and it was a while before they realized that the robbers were FULLY armored. The cops took a LONG time to care for an injured robber, and got a lot of heat, but they HAD to take care of the OTHER one first. The armed cops were just never prepared for such things.

THIS one covers SOME things in more detail, etc...

‪North Hollywood Shootout‬&rlm; -...

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Andreas B

13 years ago

Well, in my defence, my neighbor is quite scary

... And yes, I'm pretty much as white as one could be, - except brits. haha.

To be serious, of course I'm not afraid of every white person, but I'm just as "much" afraid of any muslim I see on the streets. I don't care anymore whether you're black, brown, blue or yellow. This attack has just showed us that we can't judge people from what we see in other countries, and pre-judging all muslims to be jihadists is just wrong, at least after what we've seen here.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andreas B

Well, in my defence, my neighbor is quite scary

... And yes, I'm pretty much as white as one could be, - except brits. haha.

To be serious, of course I'm not afraid of every white person, but I'm just as "much" afraid of any muslim I see on the streets. I don't care anymore whether you're black, brown, blue or yellow. This attack has just showed us that we can't judge people from what we see in other countries, and pre-judging all muslims to be jihadists is just wrong, at least after what we've seen here.

On one contract I was on, one of my best friends there was MUSLIM! A jewish christian friend I had said that the Koran is a good book. and it is IRONIC! They see jesus AND abraham as PROPHETS! Not quite as good as mohamud, but maybe CLOSE! BTW the jewish christian friend studied all three religions. And I've had some black, brown, and yellow friends also. I don't think I had any blue, unless you count dye jobs, bruises, or varicose veins. 8-(

Christianity considers abraham a prophet as well, and if you really look at the old testament and the new, the old is actually pretty antisemetic(With God supposedly saying some bad things). The new is far less so. And it is a little known fact that samaritans are NOT supposed to have liked Jews at all, and the story is that the guys friends, and fellow jews passed him by but the samaritan, who would have been considered an enemy, HELPED him.

Parable of the Good Samaritan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But all three of the above religions have been taken into cults, etc.... too often some cult aspect is said to be part of the main religion.

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garyv

13 years ago

The extremists on both sides don't have enough common sense to realize that actions like this have the opposite effect of their intended purpose. The political party he was representing may have a valid viewpoint. But because sane people don't want to be linked to this type of idiocy, they'll avoid the political system all together - rather than be linked to the political party that this man was in.

And by the way, not to make this a religious post - I know that's not allowed. I'm just putting some facts out here that I have yet to see a journalist on this story do. - But the Bible says "they will know we are Christians by our love". This man was no Christian.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

The extremists on both sides don't have enough common sense to realize that actions like this have the opposite effect of their intended purpose. The political party he was representing may have a valid viewpoint. But because sane people don't want to be linked to this type of idiocy, they'll avoid the political system all together - rather than be linked to the political party that this man was in.

And by the way, not to make this a religious post - I know that's not allowed. I'm just putting some facts out here that I have yet to see a journalist on this story do. - But the Bible says "they will know we are Christians by our love". This man was no Christian.

And so-called Muslims that do equally crazy stuff are not Muslims right???

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garyv 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And so-called Muslims that do equally crazy stuff are not Muslims right???

TL

If their actions go against the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, then I'd have to say yes that's right. However I'm not familiar enough w/ his teachings to know for sure.
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13 years ago

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Andreas B

13 years ago

Well, of course I don't know the very reason for Europe allowing immigration. At least Norway is a part of the UN, where a lot of immigrants are coming from ("kvoteflyktning" (Norwegian) = quote immigrants)? Guess I can't directly translate it, though..

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Here's a Norwegian site with symbolic hand holding...

Vi holder sammen - VG Nett

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Andreas B

13 years ago

Yep. Just join in, guys and girls! We're holding hands, and showing love instead of hatred.

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TLTheLiberator

13 years ago

Statements by Norwegian officials...

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, leader of Labour and former leader of AUF, in his first speech on the night of the attack:

"When faced with terror and hate, we will retaliate with more democracy and more openness"

Member of Parliment Stine Renate Håheim, member of AUF, where on the island but escaped alive. On CNN same evening:

"If one man can show that much hatred, imagine how much love we can show together."

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