Who just felt that earthquake??

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on the eastcoast? we just had an earthquake!!
  • Profile picture of the author dlawhh
    Not me? Where are you located? Most people I know on the east coast are waiting to see if Irene comes to visit us or not this week.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Yeah, I think it threw off all my Google rankings. :p

    No, in all seriousness, I'm in Central PA and definitely felt it. Scared the **** out of the kids. Never experienced anything like that. Whole house was shaking like a truck was driving on the roof.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    News is saying 5.9...centered near Charlotteville...update:Mineral.


    Bet that shocked the **** out of people back east..

    In California, a 5.9 is called 'Wednesday'
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I felt it and they talking about aftershocks over the next couple days. I am not experienced with this kind of stuff, so, I am thinking an emergency trip is in order.

    Makes you appreciate life and spiritual contemplation.

    Thursday hurricane irene is suppose to cause some serious damage on the east coast. I suspect it will cause massive floodings.

    Keeping fingers crossed.

    I haven't even made all the monies yet!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Upstate South Carolina, didn't know about it until after watching the news.

    It's Global warming, :p
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    • Profile picture of the author dlawhh
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Upstate South Carolina, didn't know about it until after watching the news.

      It's Global warming, :p
      Same location and I caught it online before any news or radio. Felt a few bumps but nothing to stop my work day.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I've lived in Va for over 40 years and this is the first time in my life I have felt an earthquake,much less one of such a magnitude! I live about 30 miles from the epicenter.
    It literally felt like the 2nd floor of my house was going to fall down. Went outside and saw my vehicle in the driveway shaking like an 800 pound gorilla was jumping on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I felt it slightly here in NJ. My PC table was shaking very little and at first I
      thought it was just me moving it.

      Weirdest thing I ever experienced in my life next to way the Bayway oil plant
      blew up back in the 70s and rattled all our windows.

      Kim, you okay?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Yeah ... I know. I live in Virginia 32 miles from epicenter. It sounded like an enormous military helicopter was falling on our house. The whole house just shook and rumbled for at least 40 seconds. It was frightening.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Yeah ... I know. I live in Virginia 32 miles from epicenter. It sounded like an enormous military helicopter was falling on our house. The whole house just shook and rumbled for at least 40 seconds. It was frightening.
      That had to be crazy scary and disorienting. How long did it take for you to realize it was a quake? No structural damage to your home?
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steven, my nurse was doing a home visit when it struck and she knew what it was before I did.
    But the quake did little damage from what we can tell so far,It was scary as hell though.
    As for anything else, I'm just trying to get back to a bearable condition.
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  • Profile picture of the author sandman123
    Seem to be quite a few big ones going around.
    Japan had a 4.8 12 hours ago and now the US get a really big one.
    Take care guys .. sure is nice to be in London today.
    Earthquake's live
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  • Profile picture of the author areevez
    yeah it felt so weird, my family in Cleveland also called me and said they felt it also!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    My worst earthquake experience was a time back in about 1980. I was traveling, pulling a little 14ft travel trailer. I was visiting relatives and had just watched the original Halloween movie and went outside to my trailer to go to sleep.

    I just drifted off when the entire trailer started shaking. Because I was in between sleep and being awake, I thought "Jason" was shaking the trailer trying to get in. I eventually realized I was in California and it was just a small earthquake, but for a about a minute I was as frightened as I've ever been in my life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      My worst earthquake experience was a time back in about 1980. I was traveling, pulling a little 14ft travel trailer. I was visiting relatives and had just watched the original Halloween movie and went outside to my trailer to go to sleep.

      I just drifted off when the entire trailer started shaking. Because I was in between sleep and being awake, I thought "Jason" was shaking the trailer trying to get in. I eventually realized I was in California and it was just a small earthquake, but for a about a minute I was as frightened as I've ever been in my life.

      I have been in three 'major' quakes out here, and dozens of small ones...but the biggest ground movement one was Northridge...probably didn't help I was only roughly a mile from the epicenter. That one was scary.
      Just missed the 71 quake.

      Had one here in San Dog about three years ago centered in Mexicali...some people may not realize that there are different kinds of movement with quakes...this one was so deep that it moved so strangely, it felt surreal.

      I was standing on the back of a flatbed truck and saw the Whittier Narrows quake coming, because the telephone poles were going up and down like a wave coming.

      Guess people back east are freaking out, they are asking for calm on the news.

      Relax people...the ground moved...


      Anyone know where the biggest quake ever recorded in the 'Eastern' continental states was?
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        I have been in three 'major' quakes out here, and dozens of small ones...but the biggest ground movement one was Northridge...probably didn't help I was only roughly a mile from the epicenter. That one was scary.
        Just missed the 71 quake.

        Had one here in San Dog about three years ago centered in Mexicali...some people may not realize that there are different kinds of movement with quakes...this one was so deep that it moved so strangely, it felt surreal.

        I was standing on the back of a flatbed truck and saw the Whittier Narrows quake coming, because the telephone poles were going up and down like a wave coming.

        Guess people back east are freaking out, they are asking for calm on the news.

        Relax people...the ground moved...


        Anyone know where the biggest quake ever recorded in the 'Eastern' continental states was?
        1812 New Madrid earthquake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        According to this map there have been a couple where I am and a bunch just north of me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    I felt the earthquake.

    And in light of the event (sorry if it turns out to be serious) read this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...ml#post4528152

    This was my first earthquake experience.. so it was pretty freaky.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Strange - was reading today Colorado (southern) had an earthquake - (edit:largest) one since 1967.

    Man, the poor east coast - floods, heatwave and now this and hurricane on the way ...

    Nothing strange here in California Earthquake country except my computer is making a strange sound off and on.

    Not to minimize the scariness for those not used to this, but those are real small earthquakes - it's the ones over 6 that get heavy and serious toward 7.

    With that said, everything is relative of course and it makes a big difference on how your house is constructed - not to mention whether you are on sand, landfill or bedrock - as to what damage etc would be experienced at what magnitude.

    Sleep tight, guys - hope it wasn't a 'fore-shock' and that there are few 'after-shocks'.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Strange - was reading today Colorado (southern) had an earthquake - first one since 1967.

      Nothing strange here in California Earthquake country except my computer is making a strange sound off and on.

      Not to minimize the scariness for those not used to this, but those are real small earthquakes - it's the ones over 6 that get heavy and serious toward 7.

      With that said, everything is relative of course and it makes a big difference on how your house is constructed - not to mention whether you are on sand, landfill or bedrock - as to what damage etc would be experienced at what magnitude.

      Sleep tight, guys - hope it wasn't a 'fore-shock' and that there are few 'after-shocks'.
      There was another in the early 70s in Colorado, up by Golden and the Coors brewery. It was fairly major. We drove up to see the damage and the road had seperated by about 12 feet higher/lower...Ironic that the National Earthquake Center is right by there.

      And I do remember the quake in 1967. Between Cali and Colo, I've felt about 7-8 quakes, none of them major.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It was only a 5.9 - but the news says it was felt in six states! Wow.

      What could be worse is that area seems to be the main target of Hurricane Irene now. If there's structural damage - high winds sure won't help.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        It was only a 5.9 - but the news says it was felt in six states! Wow.
        I heard on the radio that the reason the shockwaves were felt so far away is because of the composition of the land. The shockwaves travel farther because the land is a better carrier than in other locations. A 5.9 on the east coast can seem much bigger than a 5.9 on the west coast.
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        • Profile picture of the author kbailey1734
          We felt it down here in Ocean City, Maryland. I was working and my computer desk started to shake and I wasn't touching it. I turned to my co-worker and asked if they felt that and I wasn't crazy. All friends and family scattered around east coast are accounted for and safe!

          Btw - AT&T was unusable for phone calls for several hours, all seem to be working now though.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        It was only a 5.9 - but the news says it was felt in six states! Wow.

        What could be worse is that area seems to be the main target of Hurricane Irene now. If there's structural damage - high winds sure won't help.
        Actually they have updated that to 20 states now and believe it or not...it was felt here in Michigan!

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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Actually they have updated that to 20 states now and believe it or not...it was felt here in Michigan!

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          People felt it in Lansing even which is 90 miles west of Detroit. Talk of the town today.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

            People felt it in Lansing even which is 90 miles west of Detroit. Talk of the town today.
            You know it! Talk of a lot towns today, lol

            Farthest north I've heard of thus far was Davison just south of Flint. It didn't scare my grand kiddies though...

            They thought it was cool that the the hanging plants started (and I quote) dancing, haha!

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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Interesting snippet on the news today:

              Caretakers at the Washington Zoo announced 15 minutes before the earthquake began, many of the animals began issuing "warning cries" and became very agitated.

              Dumb animals? I think not!
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  • Profile picture of the author chestmary
    I felt it at work in Newtown Square, PA about 18 miles west of Philly.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

    The 'good' news is, maybe it shook up Congress.

    They could use a little reality...
    Wouldn't it be nice if they took global warming by the horns?

    One of the things that i'd like to eradicate completely.

    On another note:
    Aren't you excited about the aftershocks that are going to come? Woohoo
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  • Profile picture of the author Nate Simms
    I'm in Canada at the moment and I felt it up here.

    ... crazy stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by NateSimms View Post

      I'm in Canada at the moment and I felt it up here.

      ... crazy stuff.
      I don't know where you live Nate, but CNN reported that the quake was felt in Toronto.

      I'm on the edge of Algonquin Park so, didn't feel a thing here.

      @KimW - sure hope you had a tight grip on your teddy bear.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    No one seems to be talking about the aftershocks...my preliminary research says that the after shocks could be stronger than the first one.

    Any thoughts?

    I/you could be dead when the next one hit.

    Better appreciate my humor while i'm hear!!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, the shake is caused by the effect of the plates moving. If they are big enough, it could be felt over a LARGE distance, and not be very powerful. Imagine how much force a bomb would have to have to destroy as many buildings as the northridge eathquake in 1994! It was powerful, and covered a good portion of the county. It was big enough to maybe cover a couple states, if the faultline went across them.

    But 5.9? WOW, you guys really ARE new to earthquakes, huh? I was in one state, I believe IOWA, and WE felt the earth quake. That may have been close to 5.9! They were using explosives!

    I'm from california. We usually laugh at earthquakes smaller than 6. Even while those new to them try to grab the walls and down dramamine!

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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I'm in Southwest Colorado so I wonder if my ground will be shaking sooner rather than later.

    Was in one quake when I lived in Cali. Last all of two seconds and shook everything off my walls.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I'm just glad that the two nuclear reactors at the epicenter automatically shut down and 4 diesel generators automatically fired up to keep cooling operations on.

    Now that this is over all we have to do is brace ourselves for Hurricane Irene, a major hurricane, by the way. No pissy little hurricane.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    I know it does not compare to the west coast earthquakes in magnitude but in all honesty, when people in DC & NYC feel buildings shake....an earthquake is NOT the first thing that comes to mind....especially with the 10 yr anniversary of 911 only a few weeks away....
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    • Profile picture of the author SeeksSteven
      Originally Posted by Jagged View Post

      I know it does not compare to the west coast earthquakes in magnitude but in all honesty, when people in DC & NYC feel buildings shake....an earthquake is NOT the first thing that comes to mind....especially with the 10 yr anniverary of 911 only a few weeks away....
      Felt here in NYC and that was exactly the first thing that came to mind... Thankfully nothing too bad, but tons of buildings were evacuated - streets were packed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    I felt it in my building in NYC- took me a second to figure out what was going on
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    Yeah I felt it, first time in my life I've ever experienced one. Haven't felt any aftershocks yet...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Not sure what is going on right now, but if everyone remembers all the large quakes last year? Okay -- those were all at depths of 10 and 35 kms. All the little quakes and clusters of barely there shakes were the same depth.

    Well - right now the US is experiencing clusters of 5 km deep quakes and other quakes less than 10 km deep. They've been going on all up and down the West Coast now for around 3 weeks -- and now Virginia, Oklahoma shakes lightly now and again and is now regiserting small, and very shallow ones. All of Colorado's have been 5 km deep so far.

    I don't know what this means to have them all lining up so shallow and to see clusters of the small ones going off -- but I can say this. After 6 years of quake tracking, I'm concerned about this one. There is a fault line down The Mississipi in the Central region - around Missouri, might run into upper AR - that area anyhow - that has produced some large (8 mag type large) quakes. I don't even want to know about an 8 mag right there.

    Then we have the Western area with a major fault line (San Andreas) with these little shallow quakes rippling up and down it --- and the Cascadia Subduction zone late to be blowing -- OR, WA, BC -- with the same small shallow quakes hitting it.

    Then there's the ones in Alaska and on down through the Japan area -which shakes all the time anyhow, but not at these depths, um....or lack thereof. Indonesia is another one further south of that that shakes a lot anyhow but is getting clusters of small shallow quakes right now.

    So anyhow -- you folks in the middle regions by the Mississippi and those in the West need to bone up real good on your earthquake safety info. Serious.

    I'm not sure yet whether these little clusters are a good thing or a real bad omen. They happened before the big quakes. They could also just be the crust adjusting from the magnetic pole shift. That's what the large quakes were last year so some of the crust might just be following it up.

    I'll keep watching and if I can figure anything out from all this I'll sure say something -- right now my concerns are the Cascadia and the Mississippi.
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    Little levity now...

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    PS: Y'all should listen to Sal...she knows her quakes for sure!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    thats surprising good to see there was no death or anything
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  • Profile picture of the author jmorris18
    Hey guys, I live just outside of Charlottesville - approx. 30 miles from the epic center. This is the first time I have ever experienced anything like this. My kids and I were home when the quake struck. Our Chocolate Lab was acting strange just prior to the event. She was going back and forth room to room acting as if she was hearing something. (not acting herself) Then suddenly the shaking began. It lasted approx. 35-40 seconds. I have also heard that animals know of something to occur before humans. I honestly think this was the case. I hope to never experience anything like this ever again. Thank God I do not live on the west coast. I am just thankful that no one was seriously injured or there was no major damage.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by jmorris18 View Post

      Hey guys, I live just outside of Charlottesville - approx. 30 miles from the epic center. This is the first time I have ever experienced anything like this. My kids and I were home when the quake struck. Our Chocolate Lab was acting strange just prior to the event. She was going back and forth room to room acting as if she was hearing something. (not acting herself) Then suddenly the shaking began. It lasted approx. 35-40 seconds. I have also heard that animals know of something to occur before humans. I honestly think this was the case. I hope to never experience anything like this ever again. Thank God I do not live on the west coast. I am just thankful that no one was seriously injured or there was no major damage.

      I live 32 miles from the epicenter (outside of Charlottesville, like yourself) and my dogs DID NOTHING. Lazy louts. I have a Bassett Hound and he has two activities... eating and sleeping and the Westie is only interested in terrorizing squirrels.

      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      That had to be crazy scary and disorienting. How long did it take for you to realize it was a quake? No structural damage to your home?
      It was kind of scary because I didn't instantly think of earthquake. Occasionally we have some huge military helicopters fly over the house and the noise is somewhat like this quake was ... a wavering rumbling sound. I was laying down reading the news and my ceiling was rattling and my bed was moving and shaking ... I thought ... what are these guys doing? Landing on the house? lol.

      Then it struck me that is was an earthquake. Having been through several in Hawaii, I recognized the totally weird feeling of the ground shaking beneath you and everything around you shaking. No damage that we know of ... we have a nice solid brick house.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I live 32 miles from the epicenter (outside of Charlottesville, like yourself) and my dogs DID NOTHING. Lazy louts. I have a Bassett Hound and he has two activities... eating and sleeping and the Westie is only interested in terrorizing squirrels.



        It was kind of scary because I didn't instantly think of earthquake. Occasionally we have some huge military helicopters fly over the house and the noise is somewhat like this quake was ... a wavering rumbling sound. I was laying down reading the news and my ceiling was rattling and my bed was moving and shaking ... I thought ... what are these guys doing? Landing on the house? lol.

        Then it struck me that is was an earthquake. Having been through several in Hawaii, I recognized the totally weird feeling of the ground shaking beneath you and everything around you shaking. No damage that we know of ... we have a nice solid brick house.
        This is the first time I've ever heard anyone remark on the sound of a quake, that I remember. That's fascinating to me. I lived in tornado country and the sound of an oncoming tornado is one of the first things people remember and mention. Does the sound of a quake precede the shaking or is it simultaneous with it?

        Ya know - in all my years of tracking quakes, I've only felt one and it was so light that I almost didn't notice it.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          This is the first time I've ever heard anyone remark on the sound of a quake, that I remember. That's fascinating to me. I lived in tornado country and the sound of an oncoming tornado is one of the first things people remember and mention. Does the sound of a quake precede the shaking or is it simultaneous with it?

          Ya know - in all my years of tracking quakes, I've only felt one and it was so light that I almost didn't notice it.
          It seemed to be simultaneous. It wasn't a real loud sound. The thought just passed through my mind that the helicopters were on their way ... then the sound of my ceiling making rattling noises. We also have a lot of trees here, so some of the sound might have been trees whooshing around. In Hawaii, there was no sound that I remember.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        It was kind of scary because I didn't instantly think of earthquake. Occasionally we have some huge military helicopters fly over the house and the noise is somewhat like this quake was ... a wavering rumbling sound. I was laying down reading the news and my ceiling was rattling and my bed was moving and shaking ... I thought ... what are these guys doing? Landing on the house? lol.

        Then it struck me that is was an earthquake. Having been through several in Hawaii, I recognized the totally weird feeling of the ground shaking beneath you and everything around you shaking. No damage that we know of ... we have a nice solid brick house.
        I always thought it would be cool to be in one being the Michigan boy I am. But I do not think I'd like to have my home shook that way. It is over 135 years old and I am quite certain it wouldn't fare as well as yours did. So I'll cross that one of my bucket list.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

          I always thought it would be cool to be in one being the Michigan boy I am. But I do not think I'd like to have my home shook that way. It is over 135 years old and I am quite certain it wouldn't fare as well as yours did. So I'll cross that one of my bucket list.
          The ones when I lived in Hawaii (big Island) much scarier. We lived in a small wooden house on the side of a lava hill (mountain). We lived about 50 miles from the Volcano and when the earth started shaking, our little house on stilts on the side of a mountain started swaying back and forth and shaking and creaking and stuff started falling off of our shelves.

          It also did a lot of damage in town from stuff falling off of store shelves.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Just found this article about the damages at the epicenter, a small rural county of 33,000 people. A fair amount of damage there, particularly to schools, where ceiling tiles and light fixtures fell down and large bookshelves fell over.

    And the Washington Monument has cracks and is closed indefinitely. Also some other structural damage in some DC buildings and damage to cars and store windows from falling trees.

    Out here with all the very tall very old trees we have, falling trees is something we think about a lot. We try to take down the ones that appear to be weakening before a hurricane hits.

    Town at epicenter assesses damage
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I was just looking over stats on the New Madrid fault line because it's about 30 years past due to shake. There's a few other fault lines out there that could go, too - with the possibility of 1,500 miles of ground affected. Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee, and Kentucky mostly. The last time it went off was 1812 and it was an 8 mag - so strong that it made water of the Mississippi run backward.

    I looked at the the USGS damage estimates of different size quakes.

    What has to be understood about a quake in that area is that it's not plate boundary - it's intra-plate faults. The rock is different - less elastic, so the shaking travels further and is stronger. That means that the force of each point of magnitude is gets more exponentially damaging than the same increases on a plate boundary. The faults in that area are deep and not apparent above ground so they don't know much. The one running over through Kentucky was just discovered recently. There's no way to know just yet if there's more of them out that way. There's a lot of faults that they only find out about when they shake. Earthquakes are possible anywhere - even places they aren't expected (as those in VA just found out).

    Anyhow - the estimates were only one or two deaths for anything up to a 7 mag, but a lot of structural damage. Over 7 mag there were up to 1 to 10% death tolls as the mag increased (7.0 - 7.2 - 7.4....), and they only went up to mag 7.6. They didn't post anything about estimates for another 8 mag. Last time it really shook, there weren't too many people out in that territory. Now there's major cities within range. Since the last one was a mag 8, I can't figure out why they stopped the estimates at 7.6.

    The other one that is over-due is the Cascadia subduction zone.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The other one that is over-due is the Cascadia subduction zone.
      Do you study earthquakes? Where is the Cascadia subduction zone?
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Do you study earthquakes? Where is the Cascadia subduction zone?
        Yeah, I sure do. I track daily quakes - only record 5 and over because there are too many mag 4's and I don't have all day to do it. But I watch what is going on with the smaller ones real close. What's going on now in the US is something I've never seen before. Trying to figure out if it's just tension being relieved or a build-up that is leading to something bigger. We're in a magnetic pole shift so matter is realigning and centrifugal force is moving earth around a bit. That's what all the major huge quakes were last year and the beginning of this year.

        Cascadia subduction zone runs from N. California up about 1,500 miles through Vancouver, BC. It has a history of mag 8 and 9 quakes - the last in 1710 sent some major tsunamis to Japan and down the Western sea coast. When it goes, if it reaches it's past extents, it can take Seattle and Vancouver right off the map. Seattle sits on sediment and has a major fault line that connects to Cascadia running right through the center of town. It's a time bomb.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Cascadia subduction zone runs from N. California up about 1,500 miles through Vancouver, BC. It has a history of mag 8 and 9 quakes - the last in 1710 sent some major tsunamis to Japan and down the Western sea coast. When it goes, if it reaches it's past extents, it can take Seattle and Vancouver right off the map. Seattle sits on sediment and has a major fault line that connects to Cascadia running right through the center of town. It's a time bomb.
          I'm glad I don't live on the West Coast, although I did for awhile. If you hear anything else happening in Virginia give us a shout. We don't like surprises in Virginia.
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            I'm glad I don't live on the West Coast, although I did for awhile. If you hear anything else happening in Virginia give us a shout. We don't like surprises in Virginia.
            As far as I can tell, there's still a few small rumblings there now and again - too small for you to feel, but probably just aftershock. Not sure what was going on there. Could just be some ground shifting. Might be a deep fault that they didn't know about. If I see anything about it I'll let you know.

            Quakes in areas that no known faults exist are always a surprise. Can't do much about that one. They're just now starting to look into what small clusters of light quakes are about - and they run two ways - tension relief and a signal of tension build-up. Science is just not advanced enough yet to allow any solid predictions, so other than knowing patterns of quake areas and when the likelihood of the next event should occur in a major risk area and reporting what already happened somewhere, you're looking at a limited science right now.
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              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              As far as I can tell, there's still a few small rumblings there now and again - too small for you to feel, but probably just aftershock. Not sure what was going on there. Could just be some ground shifting. Might be a deep fault that they didn't know about. If I see anything about it I'll let you know.
              We felt one aftershock later in the evening. I was at my computer and thought I heard a tractor off in the distance and my feet felt light vibrations. My brother jumped up at the same time and said what is that ... meaning that noise. Again ... the noise. Very faint, but still it was there.
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    I was at my desk here in Baltimore, Md and my monitors started to shake and my coffee mug was rumbling. It was very scary, I ran downstairs and ran outside and tried to make some calls but all cells were down. I had my phone in my pocket and was able to text and read facebook and saw that others felt the rumble.

    I walked around the house to check for damage then went back in and our local news WJZ 13 broke in with a live report.

    Was a first for me!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Wow. It's not normal for even intra-plate quakes to travel that far. Kinda makes me wonder if something is going on in the mid-atlantic ridge that is pushing that plate inward. Doesn't sound like a fault slip. Sounds like something fractured. Any word of anyplace that looks like the ground buckled or any rises or dips that weren't there last week?
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Wow. It's not normal for even intra-plate quakes to travel that far. Kinda makes me wonder if something is going on in the mid-atlantic ridge that is pushing that plate inward. Doesn't sound like a fault slip. Sounds like something fractured. Any word of anyplace that looks like the ground buckled or any rises or dips that weren't there last week?
      Not that I've heard of Sal, but the Detroit Free Press had this to say about it:

      It might seem strange that an earthquake with an epicenter in Virginia could be felt hundreds of miles away in the Motor City. But seismic waves travel farther on the East Coast than on the West Coast because the Earth's crust in the east has fewer faults or gaps to interrupt the energy's path, said Larry Ruff, a University of Michigan professor of geophysics.
      He also said it's no surprise Michigan and Ohio felt the quake because of its relatively stout 5.8 magnitude. "The same magnitude on the West Coast would not be felt nearly as far".


      If that helps any...


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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Not that I've heard of Sal, but the Detroit Free Press had this to say about it:

        It might seem strange that an earthquake with an epicenter in Virginia could be felt hundreds of miles away in the Motor City. But seismic waves travel farther on the East Coast than on the West Coast because the Earth's crust in the east has fewer faults or gaps to interrupt the energy's path, said Larry Ruff, a University of Michigan professor of geophysics.
        He also said it's no surprise Michigan and Ohio felt the quake because of its relatively stout 5.8 magnitude. "The same magnitude on the West Coast would not be felt nearly as far".


        If that helps any...


        Terra
        Goes along with what I said about rock brittleness in an earlier post, Terra - but it still sounds like a fracture and not a fault. Truth is - we don't know where all the faults are. They just found a major one running along the new madrid over almost to Lexington.

        What he left out is - is that the quake was extremely shallow and most of the intra-plate faults are far enough down that they aren't discernible until they shake. While it's true that there isn't usually a chain reaction from one fault to another unless they run together somewhere, shaking OVER the faultlines does not preclude having more faults. Sounds like he was trying to avoid panics. Right now scientists are confused about all the US quakes at the shallow depths - normal activity it ain't, even though nothing's been destructive yet.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Goes along with what I said about rock brittleness in an earlier post, Terra - but it still sounds like a fracture and not a fault. Truth is - we don't know where all the faults are. They just found a major one running along the new madrid over almost to Lexington.

          What he left out is - is that the quake was extremely shallow and most of the intra-plate faults are far enough down that they aren't discernible until they shake. While it's true that there isn't usually a chain reaction from one fault to another unless they run together somewhere, shaking OVER the faultlines does not preclude having more faults. Sounds like he was trying to avoid panics. Right now scientists are confused about all the US quakes at the shallow depths - normal activity it ain't, even though nothing's been destructive yet.
          Absolutely Sal, the scientists aren't sure what's going on and it scares them, however they would never say that in public. I agree 100%!

          All I can say is I've a gut feeling that we ain't seen nothing yet! Too many people, too many careless people without regard to taking care of our planet and if we don't take care of her, she won't take care of us!

          Even the rocks are crying out, so to speak!

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      Sal,

      Where I live is precarious - not just because of the state of the state but because I live on a bluff on the side of the bay (a hill, building is on stilts) - however I never feel any of the quakes around here - very rarely - but new cracks are always appearing on walls and etc. (pictures are always crooked - almost weekly.)

      We have many 'buckles and dips' - in fact the cement in the front of the building has a huge crack between the walkway and the ground. It was fixed a while back and immediately cracked again --

      It is actually a whole little bump thing and there are similar 'bumps' all over the place. There are cracks everywhere going in all sorts of different patterns all over the complex. (200 apartments in buildings of 6-8 apartments each)

      But the reason I am writing is yesterday was such a strange day - even though no reported quakes near here that I know of = my intrusion alarm went off for no reason and I have a cabinet for my videos with a glass door shut by a magnet - it popped open for no reason -

      stupid stuff probably coincidence --

      ... but also I wanted to ask you as the resident earthquake expert, why you don't consider the Hayward fault California's worst threat - That is the one they always mention when they talk about the danger here - is it just because of the huge populations along the fault? - they have had TV programs showing various places near the Hayward fault that have cracks big enough to be called caverns and all sorts of weird bumps and etc.

      (vs San Andreas? -- another sleeping giant that hasn't gone off in decades which makes them more of a threat the longer they don't move at all.)

      The big one of 1989 was the Loma Prieta - San Andreas has been quiet since 1906 at least as far as major quakes go...



      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Wow. It's not normal for even intra-plate quakes to travel that far. Kinda makes me wonder if something is going on in the mid-atlantic ridge that is pushing that plate inward. Doesn't sound like a fault slip. Sounds like something fractured. Any word of anyplace that looks like the ground buckled or any rises or dips that weren't there last week?
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        Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

        Sal,

        Where I live is precarious - not just because of the state of the state but because I live on a bluff on the side of the bay (a hill, building is on stilts) - however I never feel any of the quakes around here - very rarely - but new cracks are always appearing on walls and etc. (pictures are always crooked - almost weekly.)

        We have many 'buckles and dips' - in fact the cement in the front of the building has a huge crack between the walkway and the ground. It was fixed a while back and immediately cracked again --

        It is actually a whole little bump thing and there are similar 'bumps' all over the place. There are cracks everywhere going in all sorts of different patterns all over the complex. (200 apartments in buildings of 6-8 apartments each)

        But the reason I am writing is yesterday was such a strange day - even though no reported quakes near here that I know of = my intrusion alarm went off for no reason and I have a cabinet for my videos with a glass door shut by a magnet - it popped open for no reason -

        stupid stuff probably coincidence --

        ... but also I wanted to ask you as the resident earthquake expert, why you don't consider the Hayward fault California's worst threat - That is the one they always mention when they talk about the danger here - is it just because of the huge populations along the fault? - they have had TV programs showing various places near the Hayward fault that have cracks big enough to be called caverns and all sorts of weird bumps and etc.

        (vs San Andreas? -- another sleeping giant that hasn't gone off in decades which makes them more of a threat the longer they don't move at all.)

        The big one of 1989 was the Loma Prieta - San Andreas has been quiet since 1906 at least as far as major quakes go...
        Everything sal said about this is certainly right, but you can ALSO see movement in the supports due to settling, weakening, etc... ALSO, there could be warping in metal due to temperature, or in wood due to ANYTHING, temperature, humidity, pests, etc.... ALSO, the house may not be perfectly square. If so, over time, you WILL see cracks, even though they have NOTHING to do with earthquakes. Earthquakes CAN cause them, exasperate them, and start the ball rolling, but they aren't needed. The GOOD news is that with todays buildings, if the supports and structure are built well, with metal, it COULD be nearly 100% cosmetic! Metal can expand and contract and still be fine, but it will leave cracks in drywall and paint. If it is built of WOOD, the expansion can force nails to pop out just a LITTLE. The contraction can cause them to show and/or shift the joint. In short, the structure gets weaker. It obviously can take a LONG time to really affect the structure, but it DOES show up in some form, and can become a problem. It starts out as squeaks, cracks, and pops. THEN, you might see a nailhead or two.

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    PLEASE say it isn't so!!!!! I heard that NOTHING was broke, NOBODY was hurt, etc.... OK, THAT I can believe, accept, GREAT! I'm happy! ******BUT****** I heard AIrports were CLOSED and people were ent home for the day! UNREAL! And someone said "EVERYTHING WAS SHAKING"!!!!!!!! ****OH NO**** what about the secondary foundation every building has attaching it to th sky so the roof stays stationary EVEN if the planet shifts? Didn't it work?

    BTW the last couple statements were a joke, for those that can't tell. But shutting down airports? Was that a joke, or what?

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW. usually, PERHAPS ALWAYS, earthquakes come in GROUPS. So you may well get more. At 5.9, this one was TINY. It may have been the REAL earthquake. If so, you ight not actually FEEL the others but liquids may move, chandelliers may shake, it may be on the news. It could EASILY last for WEEKS!

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  • Profile picture of the author lyndal
    I am in northern NJ and I didn't feel any shaking here, yet it seems that people in areas around me did. I have experienced one before in NY state a few years ago and that was only around a 4.0.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    visimedia - there's always been around this many (slightly higher in the last few years but not that much). What is different is that we have global tracking now. Even if a small quake happens where there is nobody to feel it we know about it. Before global tracking a very large quake could happen and as long as there was nobody around to feel it, nobody knew.

    There is also a very much larger population and a LOT of people parking their homes right on fault lines, so we not only know about them, more people are being destroyed by them.
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    Pat - San Andreas is more well known than the Hayward - and much longer. It runs into the Cascadia Subduction zone. So all in all - the area it covers makes it more dangerous in ways --- However, Hayward is expected to shake in the next 30 years. Hayward is known for 7.+ quakes - 7.2 - 7.4, etc. As shallow as quakes have been in the last year, a 7 mag on Hayward would be disastrous. Is your home on rollers or skis? It will help the trip down the hill for sure. There's two faults north of it that some people consider part of the same fault - one south of you, and several other shorter ones scattered around out your way. Takes talent to avoid one out there.

    Okay - the cracks in your walls. You have no clue how many quakes you have going on there. Until a quake hits mag 3 or so you aren't going to feel it unless you are really paying attention. You might see a cupboard shake or a lampshade sway. If you're in bed you might feel the slightest vibration if you are still awake. But those little tremors do move earth and that moves your foundation -- especially considering the rock you are sitting on there - greywacke, siltstone, carbonaceous sandstones, shale -- well you get the drift. In some areas it's BIM rock - (blocks in matrix) which are strong rock blocks encased in weaker rock. Nothing you are sitting on is particularly strong unless you have one of the granite areas under you. I don't walk around out there, I'm not sure how much granite there is, but I know there's a lot of the weaker rock - So you are sitting basically on rock that degrades rapidly, meaning the foundation is not secure. It's even less secure when it rains if you have greywacke under you - it will expand and break apart. So all those little shakes are breaking apart the shale, sandstones, etc underneath you. If you are in a very new building, at least there will have been a geo-technical scientist advising on foundation materials and bedding, etc. If it's an old building - well, um..never mind.

    Okay - now here we come to the cracks in the walls. Would you like to see a couple days of earthquakes in your area? Here ya go - here's the 23rd, 24th, and what you've had so far today. This is why you have cracks in your walls.



    Mag. Date Time Lat Long Depth Location
    2.1 2011/08/25 01:17:06 38.840N 122.829W 2.4 5 km ( 3 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    1.8 2011/08/25 00:31:41 38.622N 122.768W 9.9 9 km ( 5 mi) E of Healdsburg, CA
    1.9 2011/08/24 23:01:12 37.383N 121.741W 6.7 8 km ( 5 mi) ENE of Alum Rock, CA
    1.0 2011/08/24 18:21:28 37.744N 122.138W 7.6 4 km ( 2 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    1.0 2011/08/24 14:40:07 38.749N 122.706W 1.6 3 km ( 2 mi) SSW of Anderson Springs, CA
    1.0 2011/08/24 14:39:23 38.748N 122.704W 1.9 3 km ( 2 mi) SSW of Anderson Springs, CA
    1.6 2011/08/24 12:51:35 37.327N 122.099W 0.7 5 km ( 3 mi) S of Los Altos, CA
    1.4 2011/08/24 12:10:02 37.751N 122.149W 6.6 4 km ( 3 mi) N of San Leandro, CA
    1.6 2011/08/24 11:33:37 37.746N 122.138W 7.6 4 km ( 3 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    1.6 2011/08/24 10:48:37 37.747N 122.141W 6.7 4 km ( 3 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    1.7 2011/08/24 10:37:10 37.747N 122.140W 7.0 4 km ( 3 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    1.4 2011/08/24 10:12:03 37.747N 122.145W 6.0 4 km ( 3 mi) N of San Leandro, CA
    3.5 2011/08/24 09:57:44 37.751N 122.138W 9.2 5 km ( 3 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    1.4 2011/08/24 07:46:42 38.830N 122.790W 2.1 4 km ( 2 mi) NNE of The Geysers, CA
    1.2 2011/08/24 07:04:45 38.830N 122.791W 2.1 4 km ( 2 mi) NNE of The Geysers, CA
    1.1 2011/08/24 05:23:13 38.813N 122.811W 3.7 2 km ( 1 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    2.0 2011/08/24 05:09:36 38.832N 122.792W 2.5 4 km ( 2 mi) NNE of The Geysers, CA
    1.9 2011/08/24 04:50:47 38.824N 122.804W 3.4 3 km ( 2 mi) N of The Geysers, CA
    1.4 2011/08/24 04:03:55 38.825N 122.826W 2.7 3 km ( 2 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    1.8 2011/08/24 03:59:27 37.752N 122.140W 7.9 5 km ( 3 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    1.4 2011/08/24 02:33:47 38.832N 122.832W 1.3 4 km ( 3 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    1.5 2011/08/24 01:32:53 37.748N 122.141W 7.5 4 km ( 3 mi) NNE of San Leandro, CA
    2.2 2011/08/23 23:41:53 37.751N 122.147W 8.3 4 km ( 3 mi) N of San Leandro, CA
    3.6 2011/08/23 23:36:54 37.744N 122.149W 8.1 4 km ( 2 mi) N of San Leandro, CA
    2.0 2011/08/23 20:15:47 38.835N 122.778W 2.8 5 km ( 3 mi) NNE of The Geysers, CA
    1.4 2011/08/23 18:23:10 38.839N 122.801W 2.1 4 km ( 3 mi) N of The Geysers, CA
    1.2 2011/08/23 17:32:40 38.806N 122.738W 2.8 4 km ( 2 mi) SSW of Cobb, CA
    1.4 2011/08/23 16:19:18 38.825N 122.826W 0.0 3 km ( 2 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    1.7 2011/08/23 13:35:18 38.837N 122.776W 2.6 5 km ( 3 mi) W of Cobb, CA
    2.4 2011/08/23 08:47:51 38.762N 122.734W 1.8 4 km ( 2 mi) WSW of Anderson Springs, CA
    1.3 2011/08/23 03:52:12 38.987N 122.551W 5.3 8 km ( 5 mi) ENE of Clearlake, CA
    1.2 2011/08/23 02:29:26 38.837N 122.812W 2.9 4 km ( 3 mi) N of The Geysers, CA
    1.0 2011/08/23 00:05:24 38.817N 122.796W 3.0 2 km ( 1 mi) NNE of The Geysers, CA

    Okay - I know most of those are N or S of you but it's only a few days of quakes there - there were a few almost under you. The little ones cluster like that. So you can figure you are getting those clusters right under you fairly often where you are. Mostly - you won't hear about a quake until a lot of people feel it.
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    Had a bit of an aftershock last night around 1am. Bed started shaking a bit. I didn't even get up. I think I'm getting used to it. lol.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Had a bit of an aftershock last night around 1am. Bed started shaking a bit. I didn't even get up. I think I'm getting used to it. lol.
      The main earthquake I was up when it happened.The aftershock that happened around 1AM I didn't even notice,though I admit I was 1/2 asleep and 1/2 awake at that time.
      It wasn't til my wife called me from work and told me about it that I even knew it had happened.
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      • It was felt even further than Michigan. I'm up in Toronto for business and they were evacuating buildings here. After that they had tornado warnings.
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    Heysal:

    What prompted your obsession with earthquakes?

    I mean I am a weather tracker too, but, not nearly at the depth you are. I gotten into weather largely because of my dislike for places where weather is not nice and to avoid natural disasters.

    BTW: The people on city-data forum would love your input/participation in the weather area on their,lol.
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      Heysal:

      What prompted your obsession with earthquakes?
      Back in 2005, Chandler's wobble stopped dead for a few weeks (that's the wobble of the earth as it spins). It had never been known to do that and the prediction was that the result would be a lot more, and a lot larger quakes. So I started watching.

      Then the magnetic pole started to travel rapidly. It always travels a little, but it started moving toward Siberia at a rate of 25 miles a year. For a pole - that's way fast. Now- magnetic shifts happen every couple of hundred years. The poles actually flip sometimes. So I started watching the situation. You see - matter aligns with the magnetic pole. The geographic pole will also stay relatively close to the magnetic pole because of the matter alignment with the magnetic pole. That means that the magnetic pole only goes so far before the ground starts to shift, too -- and that.......causes earthquakes as the matter will react to a shifting centrifugal force. So with the poles shifting, I knew there would be a lot of quakes.

      Over the last few years, the M. pole has sped up - 45 miles a year now. At times that we get a series of large quakes I've noticed the depths of the quakes start to coincide. Last year it was all 10 -35 km. Very shallow quakes.

      Right now we have clusters going on around the US, mostly small right now, at less than 10 - many being 5 some as shallow as 0. This is something new to have them this shallow. Can't figure out if this just the tensions from all the shifting last year being released or if it's a sign something else is shifting dangerously. Probably won't take that long to find out though.

      Steve - the rocks in Pats area are a problem in themselves - I listed which types she's built on - but with the constant shaking, those soft sedimentary rocks break down faster. I don't think where she's at there's as much problem with expansion as in some places (water caused) but the shaking definitely breaks down those foundation rocks rapidly. Not sure when they started building for geo-technical soundness. They've just started to understand all the aspects of that science.
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        Can't figure out if this just the tensions from all the shifting last year being released or if it's a sign something else is shifting dangerously. Probably won't take that long to find out though.
        That long? Like what time frame????
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    Just felt an aftershock last night at around 1:00 am. Strongest aftershock I've felt so far.
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    The earthquake was big news because it was a surprise. We don't get them. This is the real deal though.

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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      The earthquake was big news because it was a surprise. We don't get them. This is the real deal though.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        makes you wish you owned a submarine dont it?
        Where we live the biggest threat is the trees. The ground gets oversaturated with the rains and the winds blow huge trees down. They surround our house and cars of course. Then there'll be no electricity probably as well.

        Other places around here will have flooding, but we live on a hill. Forced evacuations already underway in Outer Banks, my favorite vacation spot. This is one huge storm.
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    Heysal who are you?

    LOL,

    when you say it wont take too long to find out what do you mean, in terms of within a few years?
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Suzanne,
    I have always been amazed at how often we lose power since I moved to the Richmond area. I spent over 20 years in Northern Virginia and we never lost power as much there.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Suzanne,
      I have always been amazed at how often we lose power since I moved to the Richmond area. I spent over 20 years in Northern Virginia and we never lost power as much there.
      We must be following each other around. I lived in Northern VA since I was 13 til a few years ago when I moved here... Reston, VA. We rarely ever lost power. Here it goes out just for the heck of it. Light rain, anything can turn it off. Do you have a generator for your medical equipment?
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    If it's any consulation any damage you get I probably will get some of too...

    Trees down, winds, and, rain.

    If this goes as they say, I think it maybe more rain then usual which will cause flooding in some areas like they had in Pa. not too long ago.

    That's just my feeling. I haven't heard anything from meteorologist stating that as fact.

    We'll see
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I worked in Reston for 10 years before moving here.
    The Post Office on Sunset Hills Road and of course the Herndon Post Office.

    No, I don't have a generator, would love one but have been unable to get caught up financially to get what would be considered a luxury at this point.

    And you are exatly right, the wind blows too strong and we lose power.Anything will make us lose power it seems. But I fould that works also with windshields. NOrthern Virginia with Rt66 and/or the beltway, never had a broken windshield.Seems we average at least one a year here.
    We are about to get hit with a bad storm,so I am getting off here,With all its faults, I still like where I am now than Northern Va.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I worked in Reston for 10 years before moving here.
      The Post Office on Sunset Hills Road and of course the Herndon Post Office.

      No, I don't have a generator, would love one but have been unable to get caught up financially to get what would be considered a luxury at this point.

      And you are exatly right, the wind blows too strong and we lose power.Anything will make us lose power it seems. But I fould that works also with windshields. NOrthern Virginia with Rt66 and/or the beltway, never had a broken windshield.Seems we average at least one a year here.
      We are about to get hit with a bad storm,so I am getting off here,With all its faults, I still like where I am now than Northern Va.
      Small world. Looks like we've been neighbors for a long time. Wish you had a generator. Stay safe during the storm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Oh God - more catastrophy - Stay safe everybody.

    ... but I just saw this thread and think it may be related to the earthquakes on the East Coast - couldn't just be a coincidence I don't think.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...oard-risk.html
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Oh God - more catastrophy - Stay safe everybody.

      ... but I just saw this thread and think it may be related to the earthquakes on the East Coast - couldn't just be a coincidence I don't think.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...oard-risk.html
      They aren't related, Pat. All volcanoes have swarms of quakes, too. - Just like your fault lines do.

      The hurricanes and the earthquakes are not related either. These storms happen every year. I'm wondering what people are saying on the weather channel to get people so stirred up that they think all these events are from the same source. They weren't 30 years ago, they weren't thousands of years ago -- and they aren't now, either.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        They aren't related, Pat. All volcanoes have swarms of quakes, too. - Just like your fault lines do.

        The hurricanes and the earthquakes are not related either. These storms happen every year. I'm wondering what people are saying on the weather channel to get people so stirred up that they think all these events are from the same source. They weren't 30 years ago, they weren't thousands of years ago -- and they aren't now, either.
        Oh .. we don't think they're the same source. The earthquake was just a slight amusement now that it's done. This storm is big and we're bracing ourselves for it. I'm not looking forward to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yeah, you are gettin' hammered. Hope all goes well. Just hope it stays a category 3 (or slows down). I'm not familiar with those storms so I was a bit surprised at evacuations. I didn't realize that they were that scary until they hit a 4. So I guess you can tell you need a different tracker on this thread for those things.

    I'm really hopeful for everyone that their power isn't out too long - and all else goes with minimal damages, too. Will be thinking of everyone Sunday.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yeah, you are gettin' hammered. Hope all goes well. Just hope it stays a category 3 (or slows down). I'm not familiar with those storms so I was a bit surprised at evacuations. I didn't realize that they were that scary until they hit a 4. So I guess you can tell you need a different tracker on this thread for those things.

      I'm really hopeful for everyone that their power isn't out too long - and all else goes with minimal damages, too. Will be thinking of everyone Sunday.
      Weather men keep saying by the time it skirts the East Coast, it may be a 4. Honestly, where I live I expect a huge amount of rain, high winds, trees falling all over the place and hopefully missing the house and cars, and power out. Ours has been out for as long as 2-3 weeks. When the power is out, we don't even have running water since our well is operated with electricity, so ... a dark house. no computer. no water. no tv. A baby in the house. Yuck.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Weather men keep saying by the time it skirts the East Coast, it may be a 4. Honestly, where I live I expect a huge amount of rain, high winds, trees falling all over the place and hopefully missing the house and cars, and power out. Ours has been out for as long as 2-3 weeks. When the power is out, we don't even have running water since our well is operated with electricity, so ... a dark house. no computer. no water. no tv. A baby in the house. Yuck.
        What I want to know is when was the last time a community was hit with an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week? Has it ever happened before here in the States?
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  • Profile picture of the author Christine2011
    Earthquake...earthquake...really terrifying for me.

    Be safe those who are in the affected areas
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    So I guess Irene the Hurricane is enough for the East Coast to worry about right now - I hope it will be downgraded - usually when there is tons of hoopla and panic they are.

    Nobody is wrong more than the poor weatherman - they are rarely right in fact.

    However the story about the 4200 quakes in the Canary Islands does look pretty ominous and I still don't think it is a coincidence but then what do I know - just a guess.

    ... Just a feeling I had the day the East quakes happened that it was from something else that was going on - had not heard the Canary Island story yet (and in my tin foil addled brain I was more thinking like HAARP or some secret underground explosion).

    I hope you are right, Sally that it means nothing.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Oh, the Canary Island quakes mean something - they could just mean the volcano's getting ready to blow. But they aren't connected to the earthquakes in the US. Ours right now are ground shift. But we have some majorly dangerous areas and if things are shifting something could just cut loose.

    If you are into tinfoil at the moment though - here's a thought to keep you sporting your favorite tinman suit for a few: in 2005 there was legislation making it illegal to control the weather. That said, if they were legislating against it, it's very obvious someone has the capability. They don't just legislate non-existent crap for something fun to do. Now was the law directed at HARRP? Who knows. It's not like anyone is going to tell us about it. The legislation was pretty covert. I only found out about it accidentally while searching their records for something else.

    But - in reality, we were due for a pole shift anyway. It's been 160 years since the last one.

    What I want to know is when was the last time a community was hit with an earthquake and a hurricane in the same week? Has it ever happened before here in the States?
    Probably - Do hurricanes ever hit Oklahoma? There are frequent quakes there - but I've never seen anything over a 4 mag. Don't really know much about what's going on there that they get them, but if they get hurricanes it's really likely they've been hit with both at the same time.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      If you are into tinfoil at the moment though - here's a thought to keep you sporting your favorite tinman suit for a few: in 2005 there was legislation making it illegal to control the weather. That said, if they were legislating against it, it's very obvious someone has the capability. They don't just legislate non-existent crap for something fun to do. Now was the law directed at HARRP? Who knows. It's not like anyone is going to tell us about it. The legislation was pretty covert. I only found out about it accidentally while searching their records for something else.
      Ever hear of cloud seeding? And would the federal government ever listen to the state?

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    OMG - wouldn't you know they would rush to legislate against something that could've helped someone - for instance the drought stricken Somalia?

    Wouldn't it be nice - ok don't create rain - how about just redirecting it from somewhere that is frigging flooding???

    Yeah - I have no doubt HAARP can do that (control the weather) - I don't know why but just based on my extensive phD in reality television - hehe

    I don't really think there is an association with hurricanes and earthquakes (again based on my extensive knowledge of 'feelings')

    but #1 you had me scared ****less one time about some volcano in one of our national parks I can't remember Wyoming or somewhere and what would happen if it went off.

    but #2 I know this: (actually) we had been in a drought in CA when Loma Prieta hit in 1989 - and as soon as that was over it began to rain - I don't think we have had a drought since - at least not that bad. So in my mind I associate this and I hate the feeling when there is no rain. I can't breathe in the first place and in the second place when it doesn't rain I am sure we are gonna have a 'big one'.

    That is why I always live near water - not sure what it is - ions or whatever - I grew up 6 blocks from Ocean Beach (the ugliest beach in America) in SF and it was a world of fog even when it was hot everywhere else - I thought the sky was actually gray until I was 17 and moved away from the 'Sunset' district. LOL.

    Now of course I live on the bay and I thank God every hot day that it is windy here even when it is hot and also that the water lets hot hell cool off at night (or wee hours) when those few hot days we have happen here.

    Here is a present for you - don't worry about the 1st video - it is nothing (and has a cheesy mobile1 commercial to boot) The story should be good enough. (you can see some images at http://news.google.com/)

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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      but #1 you had me scared ****less one time about some volcano in one of our national parks I can't remember Wyoming or somewhere and what would happen if it went off.
      Yellowstone sits atop a super volcano that's about due to go off, based on past history. If (when) it blows, it will be the end of civilization as we know it.

      The only question for most of us will be when we die. Will it be immediately from the actual explosion? After a few days from the volcanic ash? Or a year or so later from starvation, after the Sun has been blocked by the ash clouds, killing almost all plant life on the planet? It just depends on where you live.

      And don't think the Canary Island quakes aren't scary. There's a volcano there called Cumbre Veija on the island of La Palma that some believe if it goes off will cause an earth slide so big that it will create a SUPER tsunami that could be thousands of feet high initially, and about 330 feet high by the time it reaches shores that will destroy the entire Altantic coast of countries from Canada to South America.

      Scientists Warn Of Massive Tidal Wave From Canary Island Volcano
      LA PALMA - CANARY ISLANDS - EVALUATION OF TSUNAMI GENERATION FROM POSTULATED MASSIVE SLOPE FAILURES OF VOLACNOES ON LA PALMA, CANARY ISLANDS AND ON THE ISLAND OF HAWAII - Dr. George Pararas-Carayannis

      And more...
      canary islands super tsunami - Google Search

      The truth is, we've lived in a "charmed" era the last few thousands years, which has let civilizations and populations rise. But there's many things on this planet that can wipe a good number of us out at any time...
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      OMG - wouldn't you know they would rush to legislate against something that could've helped someone - for instance the drought stricken Somalia?

      Wouldn't it be nice - ok don't create rain - how about just redirecting it from somewhere that is frigging flooding???
      Water has to come from some place. It would be impractical in somalia anyway.

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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      Sal,

      Did you miss this in all the excitement?


      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Here is a present for you - don't worry about the 1st video - it is nothing (and has a cheesy mobile1 commercial to boot) The story should be good enough. (you can see some images at Google News)

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        Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

        Sal,

        Did you miss this in all the excitement?
        Oh yeah - I knew about that one Pat. Still waiting for an alien ship to abduct me so I can ask them to take me there.


        That long? Like what time frame????
        I wish I could say. I'd be instantly wealthy if I had that kind of information.

        The Cascadia is over-due and they say within 50 years, so, in other words, any time. The Hayward, 30 years - about the same for the San Andreas if I remember right. One of the two (can't remember which) is actually running over-due already. I'm thinking it's the Hayward, but I know San Andreas is supposed to slide fairly frequently and hasn't done so for what, 20 -30 years?

        Of course, those areas all produce a LOT of small quakes very frequently - what I'm talking about is major event timelines.
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    ssssssssssss.

    Thanks Kurt - I feel better now. hehehe

    Sleep tight everybody - we are living in a world of horror and terror - every day could be the last - so make it a good one!
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      ssssssssssss.

      Thanks Kurt - I feel better now. hehehe

      Sleep tight everybody - we are living in a world of horror and terror - every day could be the last - so make it a good one!
      LOL...I know how you feel.

      I just try to be thankful that nothing like these mega-disasters have happened yet. There are no guarantees in life, so we should enjoy what we have.
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    Crap Kurt - that volcano is in the Canaries? For some reason I remembered it as being on the African coast. Yep, that makes the tremors there hella spooky. Glad I'm inland - I hate to swim.

    Did you hear that Yellowstone is cooling? They think the plume has unhooked from the heat source. That doesn't mean that it's not still really hot and it doesn't mean that it can't still erupt - but it is cooling and if it has unhooked from the heat source, the pressure isn't building any more. The buffalo are no longer migrating away from the area. That's all some super volcanic good news to me. Not a guarantee of course - but it's a lot better than hearing that the dome is still growing. At least with the pressure off, if it did still explode, it wouldn't be quite as bad. Might only take half of us down instead of most of us.

    We could always make the issue just a tad more fun and take bets on where the cap will land if it does blow. I'm thinking that central Idaho will get squashed. Too bad - Nice country out there.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Crap Kurt - that volcano is in the Canaries? For some reason I remembered it as being on the African coast. Yep, that makes the tremors there hella spooky. Glad I'm inland - I hate to swim.
      The Canary Islands are just off the coast of Africa...And I'm at 8500 feet, so I should be safe. It's the flatlanders that really need to worry.

      Did you hear that Yellowstone is cooling? They think the plume has unhooked from the heat source. That doesn't mean that it's not still really hot and it doesn't mean that it can't still erupt - but it is cooling and if it has unhooked from the heat source, the pressure isn't building any more. The buffalo are no longer migrating away from the area. That's all some super volcanic good news to me. Not a guarantee of course - but it's a lot better than hearing that the dome is still growing. At least with the pressure off, if it did still explode, it wouldn't be quite as bad. Might only take half of us down instead of most of us.
      I hope it's cooling. Last I heard ( a few years back) it was really pulsing. Unlike the Canary Island volcano, Yellowstone is something that would affect me where I live...I'm in the "die a few days after from volcanic ash" area.

      We could always make the issue just a tad more fun and take bets on where the cap will land if it does blow. I'm thinking that central Idaho will get squashed. Too bad - Nice country out there.
      I "think" it's expected to go south and east. It did last time...They found all sorts of prehistoric animains like an entire herd of ancient rhinos buried in deep ash from Yellowstone in Nebraska.
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    Steve - I don't think the legislation rules out cloud seeding - although it might. If you've noticed, we've got a few very drought stricken regions and they aren't seeding the clouds in those areas for some reason - even the ones that have high risk of major forest fires. What the law concentrates on is the use of weather for control, power plays. It never fails though that people blame HARRP for earthquakes every time someone hears about one. People just generally don't realize that earthquakes are as prevalent as they are so get spooked when they start hearing news of another one.

    Kurt - I know where the Canaries are, but didn't realize that was where the volcano was. I felt a little chill when I read your post revealing it was the same location. I've seen a lot of clusters throughout my years of tracking - but not one that intense. Yellowstone clusters now and again and it spooks me when it happens, but so far the clusters have been fairly small. Didn't realize they found animals in Nebraska, too - I know there were some to the SW, too with glass in the lungs - 1000 miles away. It's possible they just made it that far before bleeding out from the glass though. 800 mile radius was what I heard for the "kill" zone. 125 mile radius for immediate. It may sound obssessive, but I always check to see how far I am from that thing when I move. Always want to know how long I have to escape a danger zone. I'm around 750 miles from it right now so have a good chance of getting out of the area, but not sure if there will be anywhere best to go once the ash is dispersed worldwide. That's one of the blessings of that thing getting unhooked from the mantle, though - if it goes and it's unhooked, it will only have a fraction of the intensity and the longer it's unhooked, the smaller that thing will be.

    And you are right - they thought it was getting ready to blow a few years back and are still watching it. The dome isn't increasing anymore and the ground temp in the spots it was going over 200 degrees has stopped getting hotter. The buffalo started migrating out at one point and officials were haggling over whether to evacuate the park and shut it down. They didn't do so. Not because it wasn't a real danger - but because nobody wanted to give up their tourist money. Go figure.

    Makes me wonder if they said that it's unhooked just so people wouldn't panic and start moving, and stop visiting. Do you know the chaos that would ensue if they just came out and said it's getting ready to blow? I'm thinking they would probably rather sacrifice the people close enough for immediate kill rather than to get that one rolling.

    They have done some studies in regions that are known for intense disasters yet are loaded with people now. Even though people know that they live in a danger zone, very few of them have preparedness items, and very few know what to do if a disaster hits. I guess that is considered optimism? I'm not sure if people think government is supposed to be able to save their butts any time something happens or what, but it seems if you live on a fault line, subduction zone, or volcano that you would be smart enough to learn what to do if one hits and have a plan of action.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Steve - I don't think the legislation rules out cloud seeding - although it might. If you've noticed, we've got a few very drought stricken regions and they aren't seeding the clouds in those areas for some reason - even the ones that have high risk of major forest fires. What the law concentrates on is the use of weather for control, power plays. It never fails though that people blame HARRP for earthquakes every time someone hears about one. People just generally don't realize that earthquakes are as prevalent as they are so get spooked when they start hearing news of another one.
      Yeah, I may have mentioned it, but I had a cousin over in CA about 20+ years ago. She was from wisconsin. She practically HUGGED the wall, and I asked what happened. SHE felt the room shake. I guess I was walking at the time, and just didn't notice. With small earthquakes, you can be driving or walking, and just MISS them. But such earthquakes usually don't get much attenton in California. It is not unusual for a person to claim there was an earthquake and have everyone doubt them until it comes on the news.

      Anyway, cloud seeding is rather old. If there are no clouds to seed, or they are too small, it isn't worth it.


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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    This is where I always go off on an endless 'utter bulls***' mantra.

    3/4 of earth is water - millions of people are dying and starving from drought.

    and they don't know where to get fricking water????

    Some countries that are smart enough, but maybe too stupid to care about anybody else, do have desalienation plants in operation (mid east) - you would think more would embrace the technology (don't say it is 'expensive' - so is going to fricking mars - for what???)

    So maybe 2+2 doesnt = 4 - but somehow between being able to manipulate the weather and using the water that is everywhere, it just really pisses me off that nobody ever cares about Africa - except to take everything it has (diamonds, ivory, etc) and leave the people dying of starvation.

    Don't give me logic that is going to tell me why it just can't be helped please - I am very emotional on this subject and I do not accept any of the tired excuses I always hear.

    (i realize there are murderous demons there that sell the food we donate on the black market and this sort of discourages us from doing more in that respect). I don't think they will figure out how to steal rain from dying people.
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