Rawstory.com Has Banned My Comments

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Wow, I've made many provocative comments on Rawstory.com, but I never got banned for them. I guess my opinions didn't offend them until I expressed a decidedly non-PC question (not even opinion) on an article about "slutwalks". My crime was I rhetorically asked if it was possible for very stupid men to misinterpret the meaning of how a woman is dressed. If a woman is dressed in a way that would attract the interest of normal guys and titillate their interest, is it a stretch of the imagination that some very stupid men could have a more extreme reaction? Is that saying that how a woman dresses justifies rape? No. I certainly didn't suggest anything to the effect that a woman should be dressed head to toe in a burlap bag or something because being dressed otherwise would justify sexual assault.

Anyway, wow, I posted much more provocative comments at Rawstory before, but I guess it's only ok to express radical thoughts at Rawstory as long as the editors agree with you.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, you're right, but that is something even *I* try not to say. I will say though, that when I hear people talk about how women are treated, having to be covered up, escorted, etc... in Muslim countries, I am always tempted to say that a lot of that is because MEN are weak! They want to remove the temptation. WHO KNOWS!?!?!? In the US, traditionally, the bride is supposed to be covered, the groom is not supposed to see her before the wedding, and there is the honeymoon. VERY few go on REAL honeymoons anymore! They were NOT a one day or one week affair, etc.... So maybe the US has some similar origins. Bathing suits of today would be considered OBSCENE in much of the US' history.

    At one point, my stepmother sponsored an exchange student. The exchange student WAS cute! She had a nice body, and REALLY wanted to display it! At one point she mused that she could have any guy at this beach that she wanted. Her sign was clearly out, and she WAS selling! My step mother had to tell the other party that she couldn't have such behavior.

    BUT, women want freedom, men are supposed to restrain themselves, and HEY, I don't mind seeing the pretty women in bathing suits.

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    We should cover piano legs like they did in Victorian times.

    After a couple of shots, they start looking good...

    'specially the Steinway's.

    They're a real tease.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      We should cover piano legs like they did in Victorian times.

      After a couple of shots, they start looking good...

      'specially the Steinway's.

      They're a real tease.
      I don't think women (or pianos) should change the way they're dressed because of some very stupid men. Stupid can't be fixed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        I don't think women (or pianos) should change the way they're dressed because of some very stupid men. Stupid can't be fixed.

        My point exactly.

        However it is hardly limited to "stupid men".

        There is plenty of "stupid" to go around.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          My point exactly.

          However it is hardly limited to "stupid men".

          There is plenty of "stupid" to go around.
          Yeah, I know. Stupidity takes different forms. Even the slickest luxury vehicles have blind spots. Some people may be hopelessly stupid or (out of control) in certain areas and if so, probably putting them away would be the only viable solution.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      We should cover piano legs like they did in Victorian times.

      After a couple of shots, they start looking good...

      'specially the Steinway's.

      They're a real tease.
      LMAO -- when you were young - in the 1800's - you were one of the dudes hanging around the stagecoach stops to get a glimpse of some ankle, weren't ya?
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        LMAO -- when you were a young dude in the 1800's you were one of the dudes hanging around the stagecoach stops to get a glimpse of some ankle, weren't ya?

        If I had been in America or Europe..probably


        If I had been in the South Seas or South America or...

        I wouldn't have thought anything of seeing more than ankle.

        I've been places where they hardly wear anything, even less a few centuries ago. In these places people don't as a rule attack each other over a little shkin..

        It's all in the psyche.

        The more you compress a spring the higher it bounces.
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    • Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      We should cover piano legs like they did in Victorian times.

      After a couple of shots, they start looking good...

      'specially the Steinway's.

      They're a real tease.
      Whoa! - Check out the legs on this Hippie Baby!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yeah - you hit a sore subject, TB.

    When I worked at the crisis center it was 1979 and that was a plea that used to win in court - she was dressed like she wanted it. Pretty sick crap. It was the only crime that ever was excused by blaming the victim instead of the perp.

    Even a hooker owns her own body and has a right to say no or stop whether guys are drooling or not. Men are "weak" isn't an excuse - men that take what they are not told they can have are criminals, period.

    However - women that get offended at men noticing they look great or sexy when they dress that way aren't all that grounded in reality either. If I go through the trouble to put on makeup, do my hair, and dress like a goddess (or a tramp on the hunt, lol) - it would really deflate my tires if nobody at least said I looked good - a few Wow's are always appreciated. If I didn't want guys to notice my awesome legs, I'd cover em up, and do that sometimes.

    What is with this issue? Women aren't pets. We can dress as we want and have a right to dress in a way we find attractive (even if our idea of attractive is really just bad, bad taste) without being attacked.

    So that is why your comment was deleted - it's a very controversial subject that is often used to blame women for men being criminals. It's also a subject that Women's lib zealots use to make any man that notices and mentions that he is attracted look like a pure criminal pig.

    Your statement must have been read in a way that suggested that women have to act in certain proscribed ways to be able to justify not being raped. From the sounds of some of what you said here - that's not the case, but you might have just worded it badly.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yeah - you hit a sore subject, TB.
      <snip>

      So that is why your comment was deleted - it's a very controversial subject that is often used to blame women for men being criminals. It's also a subject that Women's lib zealots use to make any man that notices and mentions that he is attracted look like a pure criminal pig. <snip>
      I obviously did, but never suggested that that was a justification for assault any more than road rage is justified. Some people have extreme reactions to the same thing. It is not justified, but does happen because some people are stupid or criminally out of control. Sorry if that is offensive.

      I'd have no problem with my comment being deleted. But, not just my comments were deleted -- I was deleted. My rights to post anything at all, with nary a warning or explanation. I still like Rawstory but that kind of practice is plain autocratic and their very reason for existing is to oppose tyranny. Yet that is what they practiced with me. www.Rawstory.com has exhibited the very kind of hypocrisy they oppose.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        I obviously did, but never suggested that that was a justification for assault any more than road rage is justified. Some people have extreme reactions to the same thing. It is not justified, but does happen because some people are stupid or criminally out of control. Sorry if that is offensive.

        I'd have no problem with my comment being deleted. But, not just my comments were deleted -- I was deleted. My rights to post anything at all, with nary a warning or explanation. I still like Rawstory but that kind of practice is plain autocratic and their very reason for existing is to oppose tyranny. Yet that is what they practiced with me. www.Rawstory.com has exhibited the very kind of hypocrisy they oppose.
        Oh wow, TB - I skipped a notch in the title - was thinking you just got the post deleted after reading the replies.

        Yeah - that's pretty wild - and extremely hypocritical unless you were blatantly defending rape and exiling women to wearing burkhas.

        Makes me wonder if it wasn't a mistake, kinda like when people in here accidentally get banned when they reply to a spam post that gets reported. If commenting on the site was something you enjoyed - you might want to drop them a note just in case it was an accident. Stranger things have happened.
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      • Profile picture of the author clint48
        A woman can be raped no matter what she wears, just like a man can be robbed no matter how much money he has. If a man shows people he has a lot of money his chances go up that he will get robbed.

        If a woman shows more of what she has her chances go up that she will get raped. In both cases it is not the victims fault, but each of us has a responsibility to protect ourselves, so it would be wise to lower our chances of being robbed or raped in my opinion.

        There will always be robbers and rapist in the world, the police and government can not always protect you, so it is up to you to protect yourself from them. There are many ways to do that, but lowering your chances of being robbed or raped would be a good starting point in my opinion.

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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by clint48 View Post

          A woman can be raped no matter what she wears, just like a man can be robbed no matter how much money he has. If a man shows people he has a lot of money his chances go up that he will get robbed.

          If a woman shows more of what she has her chances go up that she will get raped. In both cases it is not the victims fault, but each of us has a responsibility to protect ourselves, so it would be wise to lower our chances of being robbed or raped in my opinion.

          There will always be robbers and rapist in the world, the police and government can not always protect you, so it is up to you to protect yourself from them. There are many ways to do that, but lowering your chances of being robbed or raped would be a good starting point in my opinion.

          Clint
          This rsasonable comment would get you banned from The Raw Story because it doesn't coincide with the editors dogma.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by clint48
    A woman can be raped no matter what she wears, just like a man can be robbed no matter how much money he has. If a man shows people he has a lot of money his chances go up that he will get robbed.

    If a woman shows more of what she has her chances go up that she will get raped. In both cases it is not the victims fault, but each of us has a responsibility to protect ourselves, so it would be wise to lower our chances of being robbed or raped in my opinion.

    There will always be robbers and rapist in the world, the police and government can not always protect you, so it is up to you to protect yourself from them. There are many ways to do that, but lowering your chances of being robbed or raped would be a good starting point in my opinion.

    Clint
    Clint - that's true. A rapist is a rapist and it doesn't matter what you look like - clothing choice is just an excuse to blame the victim for the crime. It's also true that women also shouldn't have to dress like guys to be able to feel safe.

    My answer? Martial arts. Those stilettos really hurt when crammed up a nose or run down a shin and driven into an instep, or applied with some force to many other areas of the body. Nobody else will ever be with you 24/7 to protect you. It's up to you to be able to take care of your own safety.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I got a reply from RawStory.com that is very odd since I am completely innocent of what I am being accused of. I certainly didn't make other accounts to post there, and have nothing to do with someone going by the name of "poopsmoothie". Either it is someone on their side making crap up or something weird is going on. Notice how they put " IP address(s)" with plural. What a load of BS. Here's the The Raw Story reply I got containing the accusations of a wrongdoing that I had nothing to do with:
    "Your account(s) were blocked due to you having 3 different accounts connected by IP address(s). One of them, "poopsmoothie" had a very offensive avatar and is what brought the other accounts to my attention. All 3 accounts were created within the past 2 weeks. Raw Story allows one account per person.
    Sincerely,
    [name deleted to protect privacy] Raw Moderator"
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I got a reply from RawStory.com that is very odd since I am completely innocent of what I am being accused of. I certainly didn't make other accounts to post there, and have nothing to do with someone going by the name of "poopsmoothie". Either it is someone on their side making crap up or something weird is going on. Notice how they put " IP address(s)" with plural. What a load of BS. Here's the The Raw Story reply I got containing the accusations of a wrongdoing that I had nothing to do with:
      "Your account(s) were blocked due to you having 3 different accounts connected by IP address(s). One of them, "poopsmoothie" had a very offensive avatar and is what brought the other accounts to my attention. All 3 accounts were created within the past 2 weeks. Raw Story allows one account per person.
      Sincerely,
      [name deleted to protect privacy] Raw Moderator"


      Tbird,

      I myself would email back and tell them they are mistaken.

      Even if you don't go back or they don't find their mistake....there is a record of you telling them.... IMHO



      C'mon now....what kind of objectionable avatar could someone with a username poopsmoothie have?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I kinda have a rough time seeing you as a poopsmoothie type of guy, TB. I've called you a few names over here in a few of our more intense areas of disagreement - but poopsmoothie wasn't one of them, LMAO.

    I think we should all remember it for later reference though. Just for fun, of course.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      <snip>

      I think we should all remember it for later reference though. Just for fun, of course.
      Yikes. Please don't. Anyway, I've had it with RawStory for a while. They slander me, then when I state that I suspect that the person who disseminated that untrue crap about me might have been lying, I get an email saying that now I permanently banned for suggesting that one of their staff lied. What RawStory is saying:
      1. Slandering a reader is less offensive than accusing their staff of lying.
      2. They will suppress any form of dissent against their leadership as tyrannies do.

      The Raw Story is displaying a lot of raw hypocrisy and tyrannical tendencies. Even so, I did apologize for suggesting that the staff member lied, while getting no apologies for slandering me.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I've reflected on this and am still baffled by RawStory's arrogance. I was slandered in email to several members of the RawStory staff, apparently because of funky software that associated me stuff I had nothing to do with. It made me suspicious, I admit. I was wronged, perhaps due to funky software, and I questioned whether the person slandering me was lying. RawStory displays self-righteous arrogance in banning me for having the audacity to question if their "staff" was lying, after *their* beloved staff member slandered me, whatever the software that caused this "glitch". Self-righteous arrogance is a characteristic of fascists. RawStory should be apologizing to me, not banning me. Self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrites.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrites.
      A lot of that going on in the US these days. Trending idiocy. I think it's that sh** they put in the water over here.
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      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I've reflected on this and am still baffled by RawStory's arrogance. I was slandered in email to several members of the RawStory staff, apparently because of funky software that associated me stuff I had nothing to do with. It made me suspicious, I admit. I was wronged, perhaps due to funky software, and I questioned whether the person slandering me was lying. RawStory displays self-righteous arrogance in banning me for having the audacity to question if their "staff" was lying, after *their* beloved staff member slandered me, whatever the software that caused this "glitch". Self-righteous arrogance is a characteristic of fascists. RawStory should be apologizing to me, not banning me. Self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrites.

      TBird - pm me if you want to do some reputation management.
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