Where are all the Negative - REAL reviews ?

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How come there are never any REAL review... its only "WOW.." and "I love it..." or "Amazing... I would so recommend this"

This has given the WF a bad name on other forums.

Why wont the MODS allow negative reviews if people bought something and they are not happy?

I dont think I have EVER seen a unhappy customer on WF....:rolleyes:

Lets get REAL Come on now.!
#fake #real #review #reviews
  • Profile picture of the author Vincenzo Oliva
    The product owner chooses the testimonials that they want to feature. But if you read through the posts you will find some people not completely sold, not happy, or demanding a refund. I see it all the time and I've posted some critical comments. The mods don't remove them unless they're rude and offensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Does a review have to be negative to be real?

    The mods do allow negative reviews IF the person sticks to the facts and doesn't make it personal. That last part seems to be a real problem for a lot of folks.

    I don't think this forum is too concerned about a bad name on other forums. Is there a forum with more members than this one? Not that I know of ... Members: 361,837
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    • Profile picture of the author 100k
      Originally Posted by Vincenzo Oliva View Post

      The product owner chooses the testimonials that they want to feature. But if you read through the posts you will find some people not completely sold, not happy, or demanding a refund. I see it all the time and I've posted some critical comments. The mods don't remove them unless they're rude and offensive.
      Okay... I have yet to see one of those negative comments in like 200+ WSO I have browsed through. Maybe I just keep missing em.

      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Does a review have to be negative to be real?

      The mods do allow negative reviews IF the person sticks to the facts and doesn't make it personal. That last part seems to be a real problem for a lot of folks.

      I don't think this forum is too concerned about a bad name on other forums. Is there a forum with more members than this one? Not that I know of ... Members: 361,837

      It does not have to be negative, but there should be a balance. Otherwise it makes it really hard to pick out the real quality WSO from the rehashed stuff that keeps pooping out over and over again with different wording. Thats right I said pooping not poping! Get over it.


      DP has 400K+ members, but thats beside the point. Just because your big does not mean you can afford to keep your eyes of the ball for long.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by 100k View Post

        Thats right I said pooping not poping! Get over it.
        Nothing for me to get over, you're the one with the excrement problem. By the way, what is poping ... acting like the Pope?

        DP has 400K+ members, but thats beside the point. Just because your big does not mean you can afford to keep your eyes of the ball for long.
        And the point I was making is that this is one of the oldest and most successful forums online. I don't think they have too much to worry about, but I'm sure they'll take your sage advice under consideration.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    OP, you have every right to dispute a WSO, as long as you keep it inside the WSO you buy.

    If a WSO sucks, tell them about it (inside the WSO thread)!

    I doubt it will do much good, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Okay... I have yet to see one of those negative comments in like 200+ WSO I have browsed through. Maybe I just keep missing em.
      Yikes - I couldn't bear to read that many sales pages.

      I don't care about reviews unless the person offering an opinion is someone I know and trust. I don't trust many people's opinion so I buy what I want based on what I need and who the seller is.

      I have seen some negative reviews but like the "right on" reviews if I don't know the person posting, doesn't matter. For all I know, they couldn't market their way out of a paper bag...and some of the positive posters couldn't find the bag to begin with.:p
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Why is it the MODS who get a bad rap around here when people can't control their own behavior, or make their own buying decisions?

    The Mods are not our mommy's and daddy's.
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Say for example I wanted to reply the OP in this thread in the reply post he made me:

    warriorforum.com/warriors-hire/432892-keyword-research-soar-top-google-dominate-your-competition-rave-reviews-already.html#post4653263

    And tell him that all he is offering is keywords from Market Samurai and that 150K competition in not considered WEAK competition by any one that knows SEO. Weak would have to be under 50K and 20K to call it WEAK with capital letters.

    Am I within my rights to post such a comment ? NO....

    I bet I would get infraction coz thats what happened before.

    So dont give me that BS about the mods needing to tell me what to buy, what they need to do is let people post the truth without getting infractions for not conforming and say "what a great product" -_-.




    But anyways..... w.e its clear that some people over here are brain washed and have their loyalties and cant tell the woods from the trees.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Originally Posted by 100k View Post

    How come there are never any REAL review... its only "WOW.." and "I love it..." or "Amazing... I would so recommend this"

    This has given the WF a bad name on other forums.

    Why wont the MODS allow negative reviews if people bought something and they are not happy?

    I dont think I have EVER seen a unhappy customer on WF....:rolleyes:

    Lets get REAL Come on now.!
    The whole idea of testiomonials is to provide social proof to a product.. yeah there are many bad reviews as well, but the seller decides which ones to show..

    If you want to see negative comments, look through the thread, I am sure you will find many Even for really good WSOs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      And tell him that all he is offering is keywords from Market Samurai and that 150K competition in not considered WEAK competition by any one that knows SEO. Weak would have to be under 50K and 20K to call it WEAK with capital letters.

      Am I within my rights to post such a comment ? NO....
      No, you couldn't.

      He is offering a "for hire" ad he pays to run. Where he does the keyword research is irrelevant as he is selling the "list" of keywords, not the process of getting them. He's not selling a method for keyword research - he's selling lists of keywords.

      His guidelines of weak/strong is not up for discussion or opinion. 150k competition would thrill me in a keyword with high searches. You are inserting your SEO opinion in a section where people pay to advertise services. The For Hire and other advertising sections here are not discussion sections.

      The "anyone that knows" is a personal insult and those aren't permitted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        There's confusion in this thread between "reviews" and "testimonials".

        In their own posts (such as the sales post that starts the thread) the vendors are obviously going to quote good things, and no bad things. Just like you would, if you were paying to advertise. No surprise there, I think? :p

        In other people's posts, there can be good reviews and bad reviews. Bad reviews are allowed only from people who've bought the product/service. Anything else is "whining".

        I see plenty of bad reviews.

        And people asking for refunds.

        Those are legitimate comments. The advertisers must hate them, but they can't remove them. That's why they're there, and I can see them. I don't understand why you can't. It's as if we're looking in two different places. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    my question: why is that only negative reviews.... are real?

    Cant i provide a constructive one without being called fake?

    Cant i provide a gleaming review, if i think it is for good ones?

    And why is that negative reviews need to be personal attack in the first place?

    I have seen WSOs all this years, and i have my fair share of good and bad wsos, and i can tell you that the mods do allow negative reviews by the purchasers as long :
    1. You legitimately bought it
    2. You provide review based on the product, and not personal attacks

    and... If you have not seen a negative review after reading 200 WSO, then i am sorry for you sir. It's just not your day to find one today. Try another 200. lol Just saying this in jest, considering this is OT forum :-p
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by 100k View Post

    How come there are never any REAL review... its only "WOW.." and "I love it..." or "Amazing... I would so recommend this"

    This has given the WF a bad name on other forums.

    Why wont the MODS allow negative reviews if people bought something and they are not happy?

    I dont think I have EVER seen a unhappy customer on WF....:rolleyes:

    Lets get REAL Come on now.!
    There are plenty of bad reviews, but more good ones. People tend to get excited after reading a good report, so seeing MORE good ones is natural. When a person is motivated by your ad copy, then they are probably motivated by your report too. The ones who werent motivated by the copy would not be motivated by the report either... and so most who buy a given report go in with optimism, and most come out with the same optimism, just a few bad reviews here and there compared to a mountain of great ones. People find the info they are "looking" for... and they dont look for material that doesnt motivate them....So , more good reviews than bad is again natural.

    Why dont more country music fans say country music sucks even though alot of rockers do.... Because everyone is looking for what they are looking for, and if they dont like it, they usually dont buy it. You dont hear rockers talking about how Toby Kieth sucks, because they arent even buying his albums. So a few Toby Kieth fans here and there may be disappointed in an album, but the majority got what they came for.

    Same with reports.

    If you are looking for adsense info, you are gonna say my report sucks when you buy it, but if you were looking to learn about cold calling it would satisfy you like a snickers bar, only you might go looking for more.

    Thats why there are more good reviews than bad. Because most people tend to buy what they want. Sometimes they dont get what they feel they bought, but MOST people know what they are looking at before they click the buy button.

    Also people tend to like their favorite teachers... For instance, Marlon Sandors can do no wrong to me... Even his bad days are good. I could still follow him and try to be optimistic even if he gave me a bad report... lol. Too many of them and that might change... but pretty much when I look for Marlon I get Marlon, and thats what I was looking for.

    I have some bad reviews, but more good ones... The reason is because people are looking for telemarketing info, and they FIND IT.

    Likewise, Im a die hard Warrior fan, and for good rerason. This place isnt perfect, but its as perfect as they come.

    Originally Posted by 100k View Post

    Say for example I wanted to reply the OP in this thread in the reply post he made me:

    warriorforum.com/warriors-hire/432892-keyword-research-soar-top-google-dominate-your-competition-rave-reviews-already.html#post4653263

    And tell him that all he is offering is keywords from Market Samurai and that 150K competition in not considered WEAK competition by any one that knows SEO. Weak would have to be under 50K and 20K to call it WEAK with capital letters.

    Am I within my rights to post such a comment ? NO....

    I bet I would get infraction coz thats what happened before.
    If you bought his product you have a right to review, however if you didnt, then at the WF you have to leave him alone. You are used to forums where people are BENT on trashing others, and that is like part of their mission statement or something. Some of the most popular ones were BUILT on stealing reports from WF members, and they didnt even grow in an integritable way. Their whole premise is dishonesty.

    So should the WF let a bunch of abusive haters and blockers come and tear up its WSO forum with their agendas? Even ones who would be NOBODY's were it not for exploiting Allens hard work, and us WARRIORS hard work?

    Maybe we should tell them to invite their fan boys too.

    Its clear from your posts that there is a REASON you feel this way, and its because you got hit with a "rule" that you didnt like. The same rules that make this the most REAL MM forum online.

    We have all been hit with them, but we cant all admit that we broke them and be fine with it. If you last, you'll get over it and even come to appreciate the ways its done later.
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      If you notice a "trend" in most of these so-called "career reviewers" is when they review, they ONLY give positive reviews for products,99% of the time.

      Once I see certain people, I automatically skip over their jaundiced statements.

      Their avatar becomes a blind spot.

      They DON'T give negative or objective reviews because of several reasons:

      1) They want to continue getting freebie review copies and be known for giving out positive reviews/testimonials, they want to be at the top of "the go to" person to get review feedback so they can continue getting freebies.

      2) They save face, in their own mind, by NOT GIVING A REVIEW AT ALL:

      a) if the product is crap
      b) they did not get a free review copy

      3) They must continue milk those who are on their list, those that stay for a period. Nothing wrong with that but their content is non-objective and very low value.

      I know, I was on one of these guys list, and quickly unsubscribed.

      Even if a person knows nothing about marketing, a list member knows, eventually, when they are being milked and given no usable value.

      That would not be so bad if they only bring products that bat close to home runs out the park, but they don't. Everyone pretty much can recognize a good product, whether they will use it or not, or it is for them or not, once in possession.

      Out of maybe 100 products, I MAY have seen 1 or 2 with a "do not buy" recommendation.

      Guess it works for them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    I've posted negative reviews before, especially for a product called RentAnEdu.

    The thread was then taken down by a moderator (atleast I can't find it anymore) and I got a ton of people to help me push the product off of the Warrior Forum as it was bogus.

    You can see someone elses "Real" review here: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...l-brunson.html

    Let's just the edu's were EDU.PE or something like that and you can purchase those types of EDU's for as low as $20 a year (at least when I did research), he then sold a subdomain of the EDU.PE's for about $97 - $597 per month and it was ridiculous.

    Anyways, I feel the extremely fake products are probably removed by moderators or deleted by the owners.

    The products that are "scams" or "not worth it" probably have lists that don't care to post their reviews.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      100k - Personally I think you're starting to tread on very thin ice indeed posting up publicly other Warrior members promotional threads that they've paid for, only to have you openly criticize them with your above posts.

      You're an absolute newbie here - cool it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        And tell him that all he is offering is keywords from Market Samurai and that 150K competition in not considered WEAK competition by any one that knows SEO. Weak would have to be under 50K and 20K to call it WEAK with capital letters.

        Am I within my rights to post such a comment ? NO....
        If you haven't bought the product, you have no business commenting. WSO threads are not for debate over whether a technique is valid or not. That's what the discussion sections are for.

        You would be perfectly within the rules to comment on the specifics of a product you had bought, whether positive or negative. But not to debate it or get personal.

        Here's an example of a thread with plenty of negatives in it. There are a lot more of them, at least a half dozen of which I've looked at in the past two days and left intact.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...n-again-5.html

        Another example is the WSO where someone pointed out today that offering a bribe for posted testimonials is not allowed. Both the seller and another member posted that the comment was hateful and an attempt to damage the WSO and should be deleted. I not only left the comment, I corrected someone who said that wasn't one of the rules. And I PM'd the seller asking him to remove that from his follow-up emails. (He did so graciously. Apparently just hadn't read the rules in a while.)

        I don't for an instant believe you've read 200 or more WSO threads all the way through and failed to see any negative comments. You may not have seen them in the OPs of any threads, ever. That is certainly very believable. People don't feature the negatives in their own ads. But if a paying customer leaves a negative review and stays within the very simple guidelines, those reviews stay posted.

        Yes, even if the customer has asked for a refund. You don't get to "buy" negative comments out of your thread. The only posts we remove because of a refund request are posts containing nothing but that request, and only if the seller informs us that the refund was made.

        A negative review that sticks to the rules and also includes a refund request tends to stay posted. (The ones that also get personal or make unfounded accusations get deleted.)

        Now, look at your own chosen example. Look at the last page in that thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-today-14.html

        Or the page before that. Not exactly all positive, is it?

        I read a lot of this stuff about how we don't allow negative reviews, and almost all of it is from people who don't bother reading past the initial post or half way down the first page. You yourself chose an example that disproves your own point.

        Are there a lot of threads that don't have many, if any, negative reviews? Sure. They're for decent products. If something really is a dog, it will be called out at some point.

        You'd be surprised at just how many WSO threads I close every week myself, and I'm only one of the 6 people with the access to do that. You'd also be surprised to see the arguments we get from sellers when we call them on things if they screw up.

        But hey... Go ahead and parrot the lines you hear from other people who don't pay any more attention than you did with your own choice of "proof." If I wanted to waste time on a Friday evening, I could probably show you 50 to 100 WSOs with existing negative reviews without making it past page 3 or 4. Maybe not past page 2.

        Want to see someone who's got a lot of them posted? Look at the posts from YourProfessional in the WSO section. Jovana's hardly an easy reviewer, and the only posts of hers I've deleted were either attacks on other members (once) or self-promotional comments (maybe two or three). The rest stay.

        She buys, she has the right to post her thoughts on the products. And she does. Regularly. Some are raves, and some are rants. We don't care, as long as they stay focused on the product.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          David,
          Why is it the MODS who get a bad rap around here when people can't control their own behavior, or make their own buying decisions?
          Same old stuff. Been going on for years. Doesn't matter.

          What confuses me is going into a thread to look at something the seller complains about, seeing a half dozen people complaining about the mods not doing anything about a problem, and knowing that not a single one of those people bothered to report it.

          That's understandable from newer members, who don't know how the system works here, or just how many posts are made in this forum every day. But when it's people who know that we don't - can't - read every post in every thread... Well, it is sometimes difficult to resist the generous urge to issue one of our complimentary vacation certificates.

          Premeditated stupidity should be made painful, but it's not against the rules.


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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

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            ...But when it's people who know that we don't - can't - read every post in every thread... Well, it is sometimes difficult to resist the generous urge to issue one of our complimentary vacation certificates.



            Paul
            You mean Vegas right?

            Ps. Me and Ben just run em off ourselves cuz we like bein vigilantes, but I suppose that could qualify as premeditated stupidity... Better just learn to use the button....I mean, I already been to Vegas, if you know what Im saying , didnt care much for it.
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