Steve Jobs delayed sugery for 9 months while trying out alternative treatments

by Lloyd Buchinski 36 replies
There have been a few articles about this, but one just lately saying he regretted it.

3quarksdaily: Steve Jobs Regretted Wasting Time on Alternative Medicine

I mentioned this in a car with 4 other people. All of them (except me) knew one other person who tried to cure cancer with alternative approaches, and 2 of them knew another. It didn't work for either person. They both died.

So, that's 3 out of 3.

Anyone know someone who tried that and it actually worked? You see enough about this sort of stuff online. It is extremely unfortunate if it leads to death.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I heard that Jobs had several cancers. Cancer is almost like a localized virus, like a wart. Like a wart, once it bursts, it can SPREAD! ******EVERYWHERE******! It is all but IMPOSSIBLE to have cancer in more than one place. What would be the chances? In perhaps EVERY person that has happened in, the cancer has basically BURST or metastasized! The problem is that once that has happened, your days are effectively numbered. If he got the alternative treatments AFTER that point, it is silly to discuss it. Has anyone survived that with TRADITIONAL treatments?

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    The treatment options currently available are rarely able to cure metastatic cancer, though some tumors, such as testicular cancer and thyroid cancer, are usually still curable.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I know two people including my wife who died from cancer and underwent conventional treatments. I going to the wake of one tomorrow.
      If people are going to dismiss alternative treatments because they don't always work, seems far to dismiss the conventional treatments also.
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    I just cured my dog. And yes, I know other cures. One famous one (no, I don't know her) is Suzanne Summers.
    Steve Jobs tried alternative treatments - but all of them were AMA approved. He didn't stand a chance.
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    I did the conventional treatment for the kind of cancer that they said I had and I am supposedly "cured" of the cancer. But the side effects of the treatment were brushed over . I wish I had not done the treatment now.My Dr was all for the robotic Davinci method of treatment. There were other options that were available but the took more time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Not to mention that Steve Jobs had two cancers that are some of the hardest to deal with - and in fact he lived pretty long because both liver cancer and pancreatic cancer used to be a sure death sentence. In the end it still was, but at least he had more time than would have been the case if he couldn't afford a liver transplant and all the best care. As I read previously complications from a liver transplant are very common.

    (not sure if this is a fact but I think I read that Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer lead to the liver problems which is also common)

    So really this is not a fair analogy. Once something has gone too far (cancer) it is often to late - and that goes for both 'traditional' and 'alternative' therapies.

    Although I believe in the alternatives as far as natural where that lies is more in prevention - doing things to prevent ever getting cancer in the first place.

    They have come a long way both with alternative (back to the future) and conventional methods of fighting cancer and other diseases. They have a long history of denouncing and smearing people that are 'outside the box' and again this is due to money, greed and just plain evil. Things move at a snails pace...

    Sensationalism - climb on the bandwagon for an opportunity to blame his death on the delay. Give me a fricking break.

    I am waiting patiently for a 'white paper' such as they were finally forced to publish in the 'Nix-on Era' with regard to chiropractic which they smeared and gave a black eye to for years (effectively preventing people from alternatives to surgery). I see it going on with pot right now and the rest of the herbs, vitamins etc can't be far behind -

    Good will always triumph over evil - eventually...
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      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post


      So really this is not a fair analogy. Once something has gone too far (cancer) it is often to late - and that goes for both 'traditional' and 'alternative' therapies.
      I think Patricia makes a very valid point here. (Actually ThomM got me to thinking about this in another thread.)

      Someone gets something that is just not fixable. Anything they try is not going to work. And whatever they tried is subject to unreasonable scrutiny.

      We grew up in a Star-Trek generation believing that there are always options for any circumstance. Sadly... that's just not true.


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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        I think Patricia makes a very valid point here. (Actually ThomM got me to thinking about this in another thread.)

        Someone gets something that is just not fixable. Anything they try is not going to work. And whatever they tried is subject to unreasonable scrutiny.

        We grew up in a Star-Trek generation believing that there are always options for any circumstance. Sadly... that's just not true.


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        Well, Star trek was FICTION! Ironic but TRUE facts about Star trek!

        1. They didn't have the budget for a model shuttle, so the TRANSPORTER was born!
        2. The transporter is theoretically IMPOSSIBLE at its base, SO.... they have a heisenberg compensator to REMOVE the fact of the "heisenberg uncertainty principle".

        SO, even the FICTION of start trek was subjected to some reality!

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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        I think Patricia makes a very valid point here. (Actually ThomM got me to thinking about this in another thread.)

        Someone gets something that is just not fixable. Anything they try is not going to work. And whatever they tried is subject to unreasonable scrutiny.

        We grew up in a Star-Trek generation believing that there are always options for any circumstance. Sadly... that's just not true.


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        You and Pat both have valid points.
        By the time my wife was diagnosed with rectal cancer it had spread through her entire lower region (her original doctor treated her for ulcers) She had a tumor in her liver that made her look 5 months pregnant.
        I knew and trusted the surgeon who operated on her. He told me the best they could do was try and prolong her life. He gave her 4 months or maybe a little longer. We immediately started learning everything we could about nutrition and cancer and she lived for over a year.
        One of her cancer doctors told me that once someone has cancer, nutrition doesn't matter
        One of the chemo treatments she had helped a little, but when they switched treatments the cancer started spreading and they pretty much gave up.
        To this day I believe if it was caught earlier that a combination of nutrition and alternative treatments in addition to that chemo treatment could of saved her life.
        I'm a very strong believer in proper nutrition to treat and prevent disease.
        After all you wouldn't put kerosene in your car and expect it to run right.
        Same with your body.
        The problem with that is finding the foods that haven't been stripped of their nutrient value with GMO's and chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Thom -

          I think your belief is what Jobs reflected when he said he wished he had opted for surgery earlier.

          We want to think there was "something" that would have worked. We can beat ourselves up with "what if" or "if only we had...".

          But it's a wish that we could have stopped what may have been inevitable. It fuels sadness and guilt and regret that we didn't or couldn't "do something" when in reality there may have been nothing anyone could do to change the outcome.

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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Thom -

            I think your belief is what Jobs reflected when he said he wished he had opted for surgery earlier.

            We want to think there was "something" that would have worked. We can beat ourselves up with "what if" or "if only we had...".

            But it's a wish that we could have stopped what may have been inevitable. It fuels sadness and guilt and regret that we didn't or couldn't "do something" when in reality there may have been nothing anyone could do to change the outcome.

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            Kay it took me a couple of years to come to terms with her dieing. To this day I still believe I could of done more for her when in reality I did everything I could. I also know more about cancer and alternative treatments now then I did then. So because of that I often feel I should of been more prepared and educated then.
            Her best friend was the person who helped me with the guilt the most. She told me I was with her and loved her to the end and that was all Chris wanted from me.
            Weird as it may sound, what gives me the most comfort (then and now) is when she died I was by her side holding her hand.
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              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Kay it took me a couple of years to come to terms with her dieing. To this day I still believe I could of done more for her when in reality I did everything I could. I also know more about cancer and alternative treatments now then I did then. So because of that I often feel I should of been more prepared and educated then.
              Her best friend was the person who helped me with the guilt the most. She told me I was with her and loved her to the end and that was all Chris wanted from me.
              Weird as it may sound, what gives me the most comfort (then and now) is when she died I was by her side holding her hand.

              I've read some of your other posts about her.

              If that's not a true love story I don't know what is.

              You seem like a good man, brother. and I'm sure she knows you are.

              So sorry for your loss.

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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Thom -

                I know what you mean. There are some of us who seem to always take on guilt for things that were out of our control. It's because we wanted so badly to change the outcome - we want do-overs - we want our lives back.

                In your mind you know you did everything possible; sometimes your heart just doesn't listen. I can't think of a greater honor and comfort than having the one person you love most in the world with with you as you leave your life.

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              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Kay it took me a couple of years to come to terms with her dieing. To this day I still believe I could of done more for her when in reality I did everything I could. I also know more about cancer and alternative treatments now then I did then. So because of that I often feel I should of been more prepared and educated then.
              Her best friend was the person who helped me with the guilt the most. She told me I was with her and loved her to the end and that was all Chris wanted from me.
              Weird as it may sound, what gives me the most comfort (then and now) is when she died I was by her side holding her hand.

              You can't blame yourself for what you didn't know. You also have only so much control of what you can do for another person. They have to be the ones to decide on which treatment allowed for their own bodies. You can't make that choice for them even if you think they are wrong. Her friend is right. You did everything right. You were there for her. You told her your opinions and suggested options. And you supported her no matter what her decision was. It was hers to make, and you didn't turn from her when you knew things were getting hard.

              You did right. Perhaps now you could have done more - because we know more. Not much you can do about time. If you figure how to do something about time - well I have a skype address I'll drop ya real fast if you figure that one out. I know a few people I could help today that I had to watch wither before my eyes because of the year they got sick. I'm convinced that when we get to the other side there's gonna be a punchline. It's just too strange to not have a punchline later.
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              Kay it took me a couple of years to come to terms with her dieing. To this day I still believe I could of done more for her when in reality I did everything I could. I also know more about cancer and alternative treatments now then I did then. So because of that I often feel I should of been more prepared and educated then.
              Her best friend was the person who helped me with the guilt the most. She told me I was with her and loved her to the end and that was all Chris wanted from me.
              Weird as it may sound, what gives me the most comfort (then and now) is when she died I was by her side holding her hand.
              This is the first that I have known of this. I am immensely saddened for your loss. Any other words simply escape me.

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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                This is the first that I have known of this. I am immensely saddened for your loss. Any other words simply escape me.

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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  So strange to see this thread from 2011 resurrected - and see Ken Strong's posts in it.
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                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    So strange to see this thread from 2011 resurrected - and see Ken Strong's posts in it.
                    I was thinking that also Kay. I'll admit my eyes wetted up when I read Ken's first post in this thread.
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    I believe that where there is a solid visible mass that can be operated on, then it should be removed as soon as possible. So that it is not given time to turn worse or to spread. For example, it is an open and shut case with most skin cancers. If you remove them early on, then there is no more treatment necessary. Surgery actually cures up to 40% of all cancers alone. Other conventional or alternative treatments can be considered after surgery but not before. Again, I emphasize this applies to solid operable tumors only.

    In Steve Jobs' case, I believe the liver and pancreatic cancers were the same. I think the reason why Steve Jobs balked at having surgery immediately was that he was told that the surgery was for palliative reasons only and would only prolong life for a short time. But in the end, the tumour he had was not the usual aggressive type of pancreatic cancer. So in his case, the delay probably did have an impact on his outcome. Although I still doubt that he would have been cured completely.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I believe that where there is a solid visible mass that can be operated on, then it should be removed as soon as possible. So that it is not given time to turn worse or to spread. For example, it is an open and shut case with most skin cancers. If you remove them early on, then there is no more treatment necessary. Surgery actually cures up to 40% of all cancers alone. Other conventional or alternative treatments can be considered after surgery but not before. Again, I emphasize this applies to solid operable tumors only.

      In Steve Jobs' case, I believe the liver and pancreatic cancers were the same. I think the reason why Steve Jobs balked at having surgery immediately was that he was told that the surgery was for palliative reasons only and would only prolong life for a short time. But in the end, the tumour he had was not the usual aggressive type of pancreatic cancer. So in his case, the delay probably did have an impact on his outcome. Although I still doubt that he would have been cured completely.
      And there lies the problem of conventional medicine. There are several natural elements that cause apoptosis in tumor cells, several that literally cut off the tumor's ability to form the new blood vessels that it needs to grow. Why doesn't conventional medicine use those? Sure you can cut the major mass out - but if your body is in the condition to let the cancer cells overwhelm it, it's just going to come back. You have to KILL it even if you hack the major portion out. There is nothing our US medical industry uses to do that other than chemo's that are a toss up whether they will kill the patient before the cancer. Why aren't they using natural elements that cause tumor and cancer cell death? Would that be rocket science?

      There is one treatment - MSM and something that starts with a C - can't remember what it is right now. It's PROVEN in every research to kill cancer. It's illegal to use here. Does this make any moral sense whatsoever?
      If I had cancer that needed faster treatment than nature allows for (and when that happens you are really almost gone to begin with) I'd be looking for a country that allowed that treatment and I'd be swimming if it was the only way to get there.

      And PAT -- you are exactly right. Prevention is always worth the proverbial pound of cure without any argument. Unfortunately, in this country they completely deny people any solid education about prevention. Diet and exercise sure, but WHAT the REAL elements of the diet are that are preventative are not discussed. Staying away from toxins is not discussed. Even sunshine's role in health has been denied and suppressed. (thank god that one went so far that it was flagged and doctors are starting to promote getting enough sunshine for VD3 again.)

      Everyone has cancer cells in their body at all times. It is when the body's ability to fight them off crashes that they get the chance to take hold. Half of our population now gets cancer. Where are the REAL preventative facts? In the closet at a pharmaceutical company?

      I do a preventative treatment once a year just as if I had the disease, solely for the purpose of killing off anything trying to take root. Seven days. Without fail. Every year. If I'm not feeling good - I do it again for GPs. Ricky just got another 7 day dose two weeks ago just to make sure. He'll get another dose in a few months.

      I'm sorry, but there have been too many actually proven means to prevent and to kill this disease that have been met with disinformation smears or just completely suppressed for us to trust it to the medical community anymore.

      Just recently the American Cancer Society has come under the gun. It turns out that mammographies are not doing much good - and sometimes help to promote cancer because of the slow radiation used. The pharm that makes these devises, though, gives a lot of funding to the ACS to promote them.

      I'm screaming mad at our medical/industrial complex. People get sick and they are using methods that keep someone alive just long enough to drain family inheritances. They don't look for cures - they look for ways to turn deadly diseases chronic. Our whole country is sick and broke. And the things proven to work in study after study are not just not being used, they are made illegal. It's criminal. Period.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        There is one treatment - MSM and something that starts with a C - can't remember what it is right now. It's PROVEN in every research to kill cancer. It's illegal to use here. Does this make any moral sense whatsoever?
        HeySal,

        I'm wondering..... is "something that starts with a C" Colloidal Silver?

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          Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

          HeySal,

          I'm wondering..... is "something that starts with a C" Colloidal Silver?

          All The Best,

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          No. I believe it's cesium. It would be poisonous given on its own - and was once given in cancer treatment....or still is. The MSM keeps it local to the tumor instead of letting it spread everywhere and kills the tumor while leaving healthy cells alone.

          The MSM is shot into the tumor then the cesium is pointed at it from what I understand.

          I wouldn't use this even if available - but I have my own cancer treatment that works just fine and dandy so don't deal with doctors.
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    I'm getting a biopsy tomorrow for a large lump under one of my armpits... so this is timely for me.
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      Good luck to you on that Ken. Keep us posted.
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      I'm getting a biopsy tomorrow for a large lump under one of my armpits... so this is timely for me.
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      Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

      I'm getting a biopsy tomorrow for a large lump under one of my armpits... so this is timely for me.
      Good luck Ken, I'll pray it's nothing serious.
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        Will be thinking good wishes, Ken.
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      Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

      I'm getting a biopsy tomorrow for a large lump under one of my armpits... so this is timely for me.
      Ken - I had one of those a year ago. It was the size of a golf ball. My whole arm hurt like I had tendonitis or something, (which is how I found the lump). It went away on it's own but it took a long time. It seemed to just be a swollen lymph node that wasn't draining on its own. We're going to hope that's what is going on with you, okay?

      Please, send me a pm if the news isn't something so simple (yet irritating).
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Ken - I had one of those a year ago. It was the size of a golf ball. My whole arm hurt like I had tendonitis or something, (which is how I found the lump). It went away on it's own but it took a long time. It seemed to just be a swollen lymph node that wasn't draining on its own. We're going to hope that's what is going on with you, okay?

        Please, send me a pm if the news isn't something so simple (yet irritating).
        Yeah, I've had that happen a few times to me: kinda freaked me out but read a lot of reports about swollen lymph nodes and within a few days mine had always gone away. I also switched deodorants, which may have helped as well. I'm kind of suspicious of anything with 'triclosan' in it - which some studies suggest it may disrupt muscle function and hormone regulation.
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    Good luck Ken. I hope it is nothing serious.
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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      Has anyone seen the movie Burzynski The Movie - Cancer Is Serious Business?

      I still haven't seen it, but I've heard good things about it and plan to watch it on Netflix soon.
      I've read a lot about his story. I'm glad it's out. People need to understand they are being slaughtered for profits. Not just killed - but tortured to death while having their wallets bled of all their family inheritances.
      There is not one reason on earth that people should die of cancer......
      And another thing our wonderful medical/industrial complex will not discuss is the connection between all the toxins in our environment and food that is causing all this suffering and death. Ya would think they might get around to that one, eh? Nadda - not a drop of profit in prevention. Pharmaceutical companies need to have their cart blanche ownership of our medical system revoked.
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        << Ya would think they might get around to that one, eh? Nadda - not a drop of profit in prevention. Pharmaceutical companies need to have their cart blanche ownership of our medical system revoked.>>

        Yes, it's a similar situation when it comes to alternative energy. There's no profit in free or cheap energy. Fortunately, I think enough people are waking up to all of this deception that it's going to have to change soon.
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          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          << Ya would think they might get around to that one, eh? Nadda - not a drop of profit in prevention. Pharmaceutical companies need to have their cart blanche ownership of our medical system revoked.>>

          Yes, it's a similar situation when it comes to alternative energy. There's no profit in free or cheap energy. Fortunately, I think enough people are waking up to all of this deception that it's going to have to change soon.
          About damned time they did. I'm getting just sick of the only answer to these problems being "you're wearing tinfoil". Man, they sure did a great job slip programming our population. Glad it didn't take 100% of the time.
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            Thought he had pancreatic cancer and it came back (he had it in 04' I think)... didn't realize he developed a different cancer. I've seen 3 people die of cancer, and seeing first hand what cancer does to a persons body is numbing. My grandmother had rare gall bladder cancer, and right before had just had a physical and test done etc and everything showed ok. Fast forward about 2 weeks and she started not eating and losing weight, get's diagnosed with gall bladder cancer out of nowhere. It set in so fast that from diagnosis to her passing away was only another 2 weeks.
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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      Has anyone seen the movie Burzynski The Movie - Cancer Is Serious Business?

      I still haven't seen it, but I've heard good things about it and plan to watch it on Netflix soon.

      Yes I watched it - it is really shocking - not just the suppression of information but the actual theft of his data and even patented resources by establishment (government employed) scientists.

      The real crime however is the millions and millions of dollars spent on his legal defense (on both sides) when there was never anything proven against him and much to the contrary. No telling where that money could have been better spent... (but I can guess)

      ... and note that he is dealing with INOPERABLE brain cancer - ok - that means they are just 'made comfortable' until they die in many cases. That he had success with this group should make his stats count 10 times more than anything else.

      well I don't want to give away the whole movie - and I won't say 'enjoy' because you will probably be pretty ticked off as I was when you are done.
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    Yeah Quicksurf, it comes back. They count on that. When you kill a tumor and nothing else, you are not eliminating the cause of the cancer and you will just get more. If they are worried about metastasis you can automatically know that they are just going to try to kill a lump, not the cancer, not the cause. When I went after Ricky's cancer, I went after the condition and causes. The tumor and anything metastisized just went with it. My only worry about metastasis was whether an organ was already ruined that I didn't know was ruined. He was very advanced when I got to him.
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    My stomach still churns when I think of my last conversation with him on the phone. I can feel my heartbeat quicken. I am still so angry. Just so sick over it. There's several people I want to hear of burning in hell over this one.

    I got a PM asking about my last post (before my post tonight) so I came back and answered the question. I can't go back and read the thread again. I can't.
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