THEY FOUND THE CURE FOR ALZHEIMERS!

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Up to now, they have said that FAT people got alzheimers. NOW they say it is THIN people! So I guess you have to hit that magic point. WHERE is that point? WHO KNOWS?!?!?!? Judging by my calculations, for a 6'1" person, we are talking about a window of less than 38 pounds! Of course, if you are shorter, the window decreases. ALL they say is a BMI between 25 and 30.

Of course, the whole idea of the BMI is MORONIC! It deals with your height and total weight. It would basically say that arnold swarzenegger in his prime was very unhealthy. There is NO accounting for muscle or fat. Some people have undergone leg extensions. Such a thing would make their BMI LOWER and those make them appear healthier, even though they are more likely to be LESS healthy. A muscle wasting disease would make you appear healthier also.

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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    So if your fat or thin you can get it?
    I'm sure it has nothing to do with the crap they put in our drinking water or all those fantastic drugs they get everybody to do, cause they're just so good for you:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    In case it wasn't obvious, I am poking fun at the latest development. The SECOND a person talks about BMI in a case like this, you KNOW there is a problem ANYWAY!

    And 19 pounds, the span between perfect and either extreme, really isn't that much. To hear THIS, you would figure all mothers would have to get alzheimers, for example!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    LOL I fail to see any connection between BMI and alzheimers, but of course I'm dumb enough to believe what the "scientific" studies say, so I will believe this.

    Not to steal your thunder, but I have even more interesting news: They found a cure for the common cold!!!!

    Really! I am not being sarcastic.. it's called Cold Eeeze and it supposedly releases ions that attack the cold cells and destroy them!! Cool huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author khudoes
    where was the source of this information? im just curious to know on the alzheimers topic
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by khudoes View Post

      where was the source of this information? im just curious to know on the alzheimers topic
      On the latest bit, about LOW BMI making things worse:

      Early-Stage Alzheimer's Linked to Lower BMI

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        On the latest bit, about LOW BMI making things worse:

        Early-Stage Alzheimer's Linked to Lower BMI

        Steve
        I tried out their BMI calculator, interesting result.
        I've always been told by doctors, nutritionists, and fitness instructors that I am under weight, currently at around 10 lbs. I've been checked with calipers amd been water weighted to estimate my body fat and it has always been incredibly low as in around 3%.
        Yet the calculator put me at normal weight with a BMI of 20.4.
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  • BMI - Stands for...Big Mac Index? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Those standards seem very outdated, or flat out wrong...

    I went thru this with my son when he was born. He was an ounce shy of 12 pounds at birth. (I was there and about fell over) but did not look like the Michelin man with rolls and all. He was just a big kid and kept that above average weight for about five years...with no fat. Women at the clinic used to piss me off, because he would be right in front of them and they could see he wasn't fat...same old "He needs to lose weight" rhetoric every time. Using those standards.


    According to that thing, at 6' and 235, I'm obese..lol. 31.9

    I have won more than one bet with my weight because no one ever believes I weigh that much...don't look it.

    I don't think they take into account enough factors on those, such as bone density, build...etc.


    Useless, in my book...


    Edit : Unless your really sluggish and overweight, not sure how to connect weight and Alzheimers, especially with the BMI.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Those standards seem very outdated, or flat out wrong...

      I went thru this with my son when he was born. He was an ounce shy of 12 pounds at birth. (I was there and about fell over) but did not look like the Michelin man with rolls and all. He was just a big kid and kept that above average weight for about five years...with no fat. Women at the clinic used to piss me off, because he would be right in front of them and they could see he wasn't fat...same old "He needs to lose weight" rhetoric every time.


      According to that thing, at 6' and 235, I'm obese..lol. 31.9

      I have won more than one bet with my weight because no one ever believes I weigh that much...don't look it.

      I don't think they take into account enough factors on those, such as bone density, build...etc.


      Useless, in my book...
      Yeah, the US navy has a nice way of weighing people!

      Body Fat (US Navy) Calculator - Fitness.BizCalcs.com

      IT makes FAR more sense.

      If the military used the BMI garbage, the quality of people would DROP!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Yeah, the US navy has a nice way of weighing people!

        Body Fat (US Navy) Calculator - Fitness.BizCalcs.com

        IT makes FAR more sense.

        If the military used the BMI garbage, the quality of people would DROP!

        Steve

        Now that makes more sense, with the neck and waist measurement.
        I'm fit according to that one.

        I was in the Nav...but a lot lighter in those days...don't remember that.
        Was further back than I care to think about..:p

        I like one of the comments "Fat people float, so the Navy should want them"...lol


        Reminds me of the Navy joke about the Coast Guard...
        that you had to be six foot or better to join the Coast Guard, that way if the boat sinks you can walk to shore...
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  • Profile picture of the author ace21
    I don't see how BMI has anything to do with alzheimers disease lol I'd say its more related to people not using their minds enough, and the aging process. Who knows though, I just hope I never get it.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by ace21 View Post

      I don't see how BMI has anything to do with alzheimers disease lol I'd say its more related to people not using their minds enough, and the aging process. Who knows though, I just hope I never get it.
      Actually, that theory was disproved like 1000 years ago. Wishing, or whatever, doesn't cause elements to simply appear! Using the brain DOES limit the progress of alzheimers symptoms, but there is certainly evidence to indicate it doesn't STOP it. And the aging process doesn't create it, anymore than my garage was destroyed because it was over 10 years old.

      My garages problem was that a bad paint job lead to the accumulation of water that created the problem over time. Alzheimers is created by plaque that has aluminum and is accumulated over time.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I know exactly what the cure is for Alzheimer's... and.... ummmmm... well.......
    when I remember, I will let you know.......
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Weren't there genius researchers who discovered that if the arteries and veins are clogged all over the body that it might affect the brain as well?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Weren't there genius researchers who discovered that if the arteries and veins are clogged all over the body that it might affect the brain as well?

      Not sure how you meant that, but you don't have to be fat at all, to have clogged arteries.

      If you aren't getting the 'oil' to the 'engine', it's going to sputter and finally fry...so I have no problem believing that, it's a 'mechanical' given.

      But to say that just being a certain weight causes Alzheimer's is a stretch, particularily by the BMI standard.

      Clogged arteries is different from the OP.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Not sure how you meant that, but you don't have to be fat at all, to have clogged arteries.

        If you aren't getting the 'oil' to the 'engine', it's going to sputter and finally fry...so I have no problem believing that, it's a 'mechanical' given.

        But to say that just being a certain weight causes Alzheimer's is a stretch, particularily by the BMI standard.

        Clogged arteries is different from the OP.
        Yeah. and there are DIFFERENT ways to get fat, etc... I am overweight. OK, by medical terms, OBESE. Yet they have REMARKED at how young and healthy and clean my knees, heart, and arteries look. I never asked them, they just volunteered it. So I guess I am an example of a fat person with a relatively healthy circulatory system. SURE, I have a split aorta, but that was NOT because of plaque, etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Don't you love answers that are so vague that they could run a whole gammit of different sorts of people and still be right?

    I'm with Thom - thin people, fat people -- people didn't used to get alzhiemers 70 years ago at the rate they do now. It's not in the body type at all or there would have always been the same number of occurrences. Since occurrence percentages are rising, um.....ya think maybe it's because of something we are doing now that we didn't used to do? Seriously, these damned flawed studies are ridiculous if you use an ounce of logic along side of them.

    What do we do now that we didn't do just before the percentage rates of cases began to rise sharply? There's your answers.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Don't you love answers that are so vague that they could run a whole gammit of different sorts of people and still be right?

      I'm with Thom - thin people, fat people -- people didn't used to get alzhiemers 70 years ago at the rate they do now. It's not in the body type at all or there would have always been the same number of occurrences. Since occurrence percentages are rising, um.....ya think maybe it's because of something we are doing now that we didn't used to do? Seriously, these damned flawed studies are ridiculous if you use an ounce of logic along side of them.

      What do we do now that we didn't do just before the percentage rates of cases began to rise sharply? There's your answers.
      OK heysal, I was looking for a mutiple thanks button. YEAH! **I** think it is because we are ingesting TONS of aluminum ALL THE TIME! When I was a kid, cans were steel. NOW they are aluminum. Pans were iron. NOW they are aluminum. Baking powder tended to not have aluminum, now it does. I can't speak for deoderant, etc... but suspect IT didn't have aluminum EITHER. It is EVERYWHERE!

      It figures aluminum DOES play a part since it IS in the plaque. Besides, WHY do we have such garbage?

      BTW I heard a commercial today. They sounded SO nice, getting higher prices for farmers crops. EVENTUALLY, they revealed it was for CORN to make ETHANOL!

      Aluminum is a cheap way to retard perspiration, so they use it. It helps cheaply raise baked goods, so they use it. Cheap to make pans, so they use it. NO thought is given to safety because chemicals are often considered GOOD until PROVEN bad.

      THAT is probably why they use brominated vegetable oil in mountain dew. They take the vitamin E out to SELL for money, so oil can go rancid. NORMALLY they would hydrogenate it, but that makes it look like a fat. So they add the POISON bromide to keep it "fresh".

      Did you know that like 3 countries have different laws concerning sugar substitutes? WHY? Because they each found one that another finds preferable to be dangerous. So one might not like saccharin, and another might not like cyclamates, etc...

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author wirelessgeek
    You know what I never liked about studies like that? All it says is that, statistically, more thin people get Alzheimer's. It would be like saying that more people with blue eyes go blind. Doesn't necessarily prove that the one contributes to the other.

    Statistically speaking, flying in airplanes is the safest way to fly. But that doesn't help you much if you're in the one that gets blown up by terrorists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    You know, it would make more sense to do like we do with dogs and talk about body condition score. It's pretty easy to see when a dog is overweight...they don't need a BMI.

    Body Condition Score Chart for Dogs
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

      You know, it would make more sense to do like we do with dogs and talk about body condition score. It's pretty easy to see when a dog is overweight...they don't need a BMI.

      Body Condition Score Chart for Dogs
      People, and certainly some dogs, just don't fit that standard so easily. he navy weight measures DO work on the same principle. But they use a scale, and tape!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author itzashu
        nice information for the people fighting with this disease. Thanks for sharing the information.
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