Walmart Culture and Black Friday

by LarryC
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It's kind of ironic to see Walmart ads all over today, pitching their slogan -Live Better, Save Money when every year there are violent incidents on Black Friday caused by frenzied holiday shoppers.

Wal-Mart's unhappy holiday tradition: Black Friday violence - latimes.com

In a way, events like this are a good case for the Occupy Wall Street movement. I'm not active in OWS, as I don't see much point in camping out in the street and possibly causing trouble for ordinary working people. But in the larger sense, the excesses of modern materialism are exposed when you see just how desperate some people are to get a good deal on some gizmo. It's both sad and funny to hear about someone pepper spraying other shoppers to grab something first. It's also why some Americans claim to be Canadian when they travel abroad!

I realize that these are relatively rare occurrences and don't characterize the average American, or even Walmart shopper. But still, they do say something about modern society.
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    Does using the words Walmart and culture in the same sentence strikes anyone else as an oxymoron?
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Does using the words Walmart and culture in the same sentence strikes anyone else as an oxymoron?
      True enough, unless you're using "culture" very broadly, or with irony.
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  • Now they had a lady (loosely used term) pepper spray her "opponents" to get to the deals easier last night at a Walmart in Ca. -

    I hope they will prosecute her to the fullest extent for assault - garbage like this has to stop - she probably thought "if the cops can spray protesters, why can't I?...it's harmless right?"

    Merry Christmas???


    All in all, it's just another brick in the Wall (mart)
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Now they had a lady (loosely used term) pepper spray her "opponents" to get to the deals easier last night at a Walmart in Ca. -

      I hope they will prosecute her to the fullest extent for assault - garbage like this has to stop - she probably thought "if the cops can spray protesters, why can't I?...it's harmless right?"

      Merry Christmas???


      All in all, it's just another brick in the Wall (mart)
      THIS is why some states in the US require LICENSING for pepperspray! NO, peppersray IS dangerous! It can irritate and cause cardiopulmunary events in HEALTHY people, not to mention EYE problems. Further, that could lead to secondary events that could lead to MULTIPLE painful deaths and MAIMING! GRANTED, it is unlikely, but CAN happen and similar events HAVE happened!

      ALSO, there is asthma, possible injuries from mistiming caused by the distraction, and possible allergies.

      So NOPE, it isn't harmless.

      It is like those low powered LED lasers! Harmless, RIGHT? Well, NO, over time, the damage can add up which is why all gadgets have WARNING LABELS! ****BUT**** they HAVE been known to cause crashes, and have endangered MANY people per some minor incident.

      And WHY was she doing it? To get something that THEY otherwise might? Isn't that effectively STEALING?

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    • Profile picture of the author Dresden14
      She had to spray down the scumbags in that store... nothing wrong with that :-)

      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Now they had a lady (loosely used term) pepper spray her "opponents" to get to the deals easier last night at a Walmart in Ca. -

      I hope they will prosecute her to the fullest extent for assault - garbage like this has to stop - she probably thought "if the cops can spray protesters, why can't I?...it's harmless right?"

      Merry Christmas???


      All in all, it's just another brick in the Wall (mart)
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    People who wait in lines for Black Friday - let alone AT WALMART - just aren't hip to that Cyber Monday B) No lines to wait in, no pepper spraying for looking at a cop the wrong way, no waiting in lines to return the $#!& back on Saturday.

    Year after year, yet again, George Carlin still said it best:


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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

      People who wait in lines for Black Friday - let alone AT WALMART - just aren't hip to that Cyber Monday B) No lines to wait in, no pepper spraying for looking at a cop the wrong way, no waiting in lines to return the $#!& back on Saturday.

      Year after year, yet again, George Carlin still said it best:

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      IMO cyber Monday is as big a scam as black Friday. What would be more amazing would be if we got fair prices all year around.


      By the way, I'm old enough to remember when Carlin was a comedian.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        IMO cyber Monday is as big a scam as black Friday. What would be more amazing would be if we got fair prices all year around.


        By the way, I'm old enough to remember when Carlin was a comedian.
        Well, you need to attract a LOT of business. Further, it is best to corral them at a particular time to control the use of resources, etc... Sales at certain set times are one way to do that. If they didn't have sales, how could they do iit? The lines are a symptom of its success and an indication that they are corraling them right.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

    It's kind of ironic to see Walmart ads all over today, pitching their slogan -Live Better, Save Money when every year there are violent incidents on Black Friday caused by frenzied holiday shoppers.

    Wal-Mart's unhappy holiday tradition: Black Friday violence - latimes.com

    In a way, events like this are a good case for the Occupy Wall Street movement. I'm not active in OWS, as I don't see much point in camping out in the street and possibly causing trouble for ordinary working people. But in the larger sense, the excesses of modern materialism are exposed when you see just how desperate some people are to get a good deal on some gizmo. It's both sad and funny to hear about someone pepper spraying other shoppers to grab something first. It's also why some Americans claim to be Canadian when they travel abroad!

    I realize that these are relatively rare occurrences and don't characterize the average American, or even Walmart shopper. But still, they do say something about modern society.
    Watch the OWS some time! THEY are the type of people causing those walmart incidents!

    As for people claiming they are canadian abroad, that IS sad! In europe, I saw 2 groups, a total of 3 people, from the US that acted like they were SO great, and europeans were their PETS, to fawn over them and admire them. INCREDIBLE! Frankly, I wanted to try to fit in NOT because I was ashamed, but as a sign of respect, and to try to learn more about THEIR culture. I DID see DANES from college, and Germans from the military that had just graduated or something making a ruckus, so Americans are NOT the ONLY bad examples!

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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      << Watch the OWS some time! THEY are the type of people causing those walmart incidents! >>

      I don't think that's really true, though when you have thousands of people demonstrating obviously there will be all types. OCW admittedly has vague goals, but it's mainly anti-corporate and some even had anti-Black Friday protests today. I don't feel the need to protest Black Friday -I just stay away from the malls.

      << As for people claiming they are canadian abroad, that IS sad! >>

      I don't know how many people really do that. I read that some American backpackers do it, but it's pretty silly. There is a stereotype of an obnoxious American tourist, but you do have your rowdy types everywhere. I happened to be traveling around Europe during the World Cup in 2006 and saw plenty of drunk Germans, Brits, Australians, Swedes, etc. who weren't exactly the epitome of high culture. On the other hand, the World Cup is only every 4 years, while we're stuck with Walmart every day :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

        OCW admittedly has vague goals, but it's mainly anti-corporate and some even had anti-Black Friday protests today.
        And HOW is the attck of sales, or competitors at sales PRO capitalistic? THINK ABOUT IT!

        I happened to be traveling around Europe during the World Cup in 2006 and saw plenty of drunk Germans, Brits, Australians, Swedes, etc. who weren't exactly the epitome of high culture. On the other hand, the World Cup is only every 4 years, while we're stuck with Walmart every day :rolleyes:
        You took a FALSE association, the WORLD CUP, and tried to ARTFICIALLY limit it, to only every 4 years. The REAL association is certain events and, to some degree, they happen EVERY DAY! It just isn't so compacted, localized, or BAD, that everyone reports it!

        YEAH, you say world cup! You forget the OTHER games, SCHOOL games, browsing stores, driving streets, etc.....

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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    It was interesting that you brought up the OWS situation, for the simple fact that the nearly 60+ million that were going to spend money this year on Black Friday all but erase the "progress" made by any OWS protest.

    Now just think if all those 60+ million stayed home instead of shopped today? Gee... I wonder what all of those investors would do when they saw quarter 4 profits were down, down, down?

    In terms of black Friday... it has become a cultural phenomenon. The marketing guys at these big companies must love to look at their numbers on Tuesday morning. The retailing industry has created this "you're missing out!" connotation behind their many sales.

    It's "scarcity marketing" at its finest.

    My local Walmart only got 12 Playstation 3's, yet there were more than 20+ people in line. What happens when they don't get one? They go spend that cash on something else, if its still available.

    Consumerism is stronger than ever and many marketing firms have realized that if we can "consemerise" (probably a made up word) people earlier it means more profits later. For those retailers that target tweens and teens today will see larger profits when those same people turn into young adults with cash they want to spend.

    Black Friday is all about Status. The "Status" of finding the hottest toys and technology at a great deal. And that is good marketing. Putting feeling behind a product, more importantly putting a status behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BloggingPro,

    You have a point! Suppose some stores were past the OWS point, and people didn't buy THERE. They might have gone somewhere else OR, economically worse, bought during the sales. WHAT is more ironic?

    1. That a show about a family that came across as somewhat poor, even if they really weren't, was named after a family that ended up being SO rich?

    2. That so many RICH people, like the richest family recorded, got there by selling DISCOUNT!

    I mean the waltons weren't the first. Look at sears, woolworths, amazon, etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    Sometimes it sucks to work for Walmart. One of my friend's daughters is a low level department manager at Walmart.

    This year everyone had to work on Thanksgiving Day but they were only given 4 hour shifts so that they could be "home with their families".

    Then everyone had to return to the store for 10pm and work 8-12 hour shifts. She said the store was mobbed at 10 but by 2am it was dead and they started sending people home.

    I am sure the people appreciated getting some sleep. I am also sure they had consoled themselves that ruining their holiday was going to be okay because what they would make in holiday pay would help with Christmas spending.

    But they wound up getting screwed all the way around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    Those terrific deals that the stores push are mostly just nonsense anyway. I saw an interview on the news with a Best Buy manager who was urging everyone to get to his store for the "steal deal" on a 42 inch TV for $199. When the interviewer asked how many he had he mumbled for a few seconds and then said, "Plenty". The report showed that there were already dozens of people camped out in line in front of the store.

    Then today a woman was complaining that while her daughter got one of the TVs, she missed three days of work to wait in line. So if she saved $150 on the TV, how much did she really save? Her mother said that she was going to be very upset if her daughter couldn't make her rent next month due to missing the work.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Black Friday to me is the biggest indication of exactly how sick our society is. Not only that they will act like they do for a few sales - but some of the crap they even think of buying.

    What the hell would possess people to act like this over material crap? When we need our gov straightened out so badly and they think more about saving a few bucks on an item than parking on the lawns of their capital to support their country's founding principles it's just sick, sick, sick, sick.

    If we can't even act like humans anymore because a corporation holds a sale, we deserve everything that is done to us. Humans don't act like freaking zombies over a stinking sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      [QUOTE=HeySal;5130687]Black Friday to me is the biggest indication of exactly how sick our society is. Not only that they will act like they do for a few sales - but some of the crap they even think of buying. >

      Yes, that was my main point. I don't question that it's effective for businesses to take advantage of this. Nor would I question anyone's right to shop on that day. It's just sad and bizarre how extreme it's become. Of course, a forum devoted to marketing may not be the best place to express any kind of anti-marketing sentiment, lol. Though in my case, it's more of an anti-people behaving like rabid animals message.

      At least with Cyber Monday, people aren't causing traffic congestion or pepper spraying each other!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    I think it's ridiculous. I don't get in within a 10 mile zone of a shopping mall during black Friday weekend.

    But who are we to judge people that enjoy it? Condemn those who perpetrate violence not the retail companies trying to hype up business.

    I have a friend who goes every year and he thinks it's fun. I think he's a nut job. And that's what makes this country great. We agree to disagree.

    It's the extremist on both sides who try to jam their morals on the rest of us (like OWS types) that creates this type of environment.

    OWS hooligans were actually blocking and shoving people who tried to enter retail shores in Union Square in San Francisco.

    That almost made me break my rule of not going near a shopping zone right there. Who the hell do they think they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    They think they are people who are trying to get people to understand what a corporate owned government is - and what corporations are doing to us. Of course I guess it's more fun to shop even though everyone has to pay for the idiocy of the few.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ohioquotes
    I would have liked the 40 inch TV from BB for $199but the lines were awful and I heard only a few were given out.

    No thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Consumer confidence is a huge factor towards economic recovery and like it or not black Friday tactics work.

    Market Report - Nov. 28, 2011 - CNNMoney

    So we sit on our high horses (me too, I didn't shop and look down at the Black Friday madness) pontificating on a forum how terrible BF is but that doesn't contribute to the economy.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      Consumer confidence is a huge factor towards economic recovery and like it or not black Friday tactics work.

      Market Report - Nov. 28, 2011 - CNNMoney

      So we sit on our high horses (me too, I didn't shop and look down at the Black Friday madness) pontificating on a forum how terrible BF is but that doesn't contribute to the economy.
      I said as much in #8. If a business could figure out how to do it, they would probably have a GREAT sale and sell all the stuff at ONCE the MOMENT it hit the streets! If they had low enough prices, a good enough area, enough workers, etc... they would be a FANTASTIC overnight success! WHY? Because they would cut costs to the BONE, and corner the market! But companies DON'T release new products at the same time each year and getting employees to work ONE day would be near impossible, and places don't rent places for one day and logistics is DIFFICULT! SO, you have stores that may go HOURS, in some cases DAYS, or MORE, without ANY customers! They may have clerks with LOTS of down time. Sometimes I wonder how some places stay in business. Some stores in big cities close ALL holidays, and weekends because almost 100% of their business is from local businesses.

      BTW I DID hear about a guy that was a clerk at a high end store. HE wanted to use a table to sell stuff at a LOW price. It worked SO well he quit and started woolworths. Of course there IS that famous story about a guy, named SAM, that tried a franchise of some sort, and was a success. I forget why, but he broke away, and started his own chain. Eventually it became walmart. Of course, things HAVE changed! NO LONGER are you likely to be at a train station, find some nice watches that were not purchased as agreed, and start your own chain. One guy, by the name of SEARS, once did THAT! Hard to believe, but it started as a discount watch store!

      So trying to undercut people all the time is foolhardy. I tried that in the 1980s, with computer hardware and software, and it was easy. I wasn't trying to grow things though. When a business partner suggested trying it, we DID, in the 90s. We determined it was difficult to eek by a profit. Although our costs had dropped, so did suggested retail, and everyone's "retail" price.

      So stores pull tricks to get you into their stores and try to imply that all their prices are the LOWEST. They HOPE they can get you to buy things you haven't even THOUGHT about.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      What the deal? The guy died - and happened to be in a store when it happened. Store personnel and a nurse were helping and the nurse said the man was not being ignored.

      If I see someone on the floor of a store with store personnel and people working on him or helping him....I would keep walking myself. I'm not trained in medical care and it's rude to stop and stare at someone.

      I'm not convinced the opening at midnight and other tricks are working as planned. I went into a Walmart in Ohio on BF at 3 pm. NO crowds, cashiers with no lines. The place may have been a madhouse at 2 am but 12 hrs later (middle of the day on BF) very few shoppers. Looked like all they did was move the time frame - not extend the shopping frenzy. The cashier told me the crowd died out by noon.

      I forgot it was BF and stopped in for dog chews for my Granddog - so I was relieved.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What the deal? The guy died - and happened to be in a store when it happened. Store personnel and a nurse were helping and the nurse said the man was not being ignored.

        If I see someone on the floor of a store with store personnel and people working on him or helping him....I would keep walking myself. I'm not trained in medical care and it's rude to stop and stare at someone.

        I'm not convinced the opening at midnight and other tricks are working as planned. I went into a Walmart in Ohio on BF at 3 pm. NO crowds, cashiers with no lines. The place may have been a madhouse at 2 am but 12 hrs later (middle of the day on BF) very few shoppers. Looked like all they did was move the time frame - not extend the shopping frenzy. The cashier told me the crowd died out by noon.

        I forgot it was BF and stopped in for dog chews for my Granddog - so I was relieved.
        Well, the original story was that nobody notified anyone. Apparently the nurse found out later, and then helped. They should have tried to move things around the guy, or maybe closed the lane a few minutes for paramedics. Again, they said they did eventually.

        Still, you're right, it should have been expected. He was fat, and had a history, etc.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Actually - I think the original "story" may have been media hype

          The area was closed off and the store personnel were trying to help - and the nurse said there were no people that were NOT trying to help.

          It makes a good headline "man dies while ignored by shoppers". In this case it doesn't seem it was the truth.

          I was told, however, of a case in Tahoe years ago where a craps player keeled over and died of a heart attack and the other players kept rolling the dice. Now that's cold.
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