Average IT worker in INDIA makes $4,500/month? I don't think so. If that were true, you would see workers leaving the US to work in India.

TomG.

There's a bullshitter born every minute. ;-)

Allen

See this: Income in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allen

1$ = 48.721 indian rupees.

Your apartment costs
24,400,728.27 rupees?


Makes it sound really expensive when you say it that way.

I think you can find cheap outsourcing wherever you go, but them guys on Lakshey's side are smart. Really smart.

Just FYI... When I look at reasl estate pricing in the U.S. I feel... Boy that is cheap! Haha, that's what villas in smaller states like Goa cost!

Have a look...

Goa Property for Sale and Vacation Rental

That's like $200K for villas in Goa... Goa is ten times cheaper than Mumbai and Delhi. Compare this to Mercedes homes in the US

Wow, If thats cheap, why not buy your own island?

I've seen islands for 30k to 250k and more.

"As of 2005, 85.7% of the population lives on less than $2.50 (PPP) a day, down from 92.5% in 1981."

Even if the numbers are screwed up, it can't be screwed up by a lot.

Of course numbers are deceptive. But they are usually more reliable than just one person's view.

Never mind. I'll drop it

Allen

I have to agree with dr.mani.
As for lakshay, he seems to be talking about the millionaires in India.
If we talk about the average worker or the upper and lower middle class, then we can have monthly incomes ranging from 100 - 500$ a month(for the lower middle class) and from about 1000$ to 3000$ for the upper middle class.

This is just a rough estimate and may vary a bit , but that is the average.

So, there might be people for whom $8 a day is good money, but there are few chances that those people might even have their own computer.

Most of the people here, would be happy with 1500 or 2000 dollars a month and I am talking about the average workers here not the millionaires.

bye,
faraz

India is cheaper than Europe and America, but raising pay demands means that in the near future, any competitive advantage they have is going to be eroded by higher costs.

Already companies are outsourcing to the Philippines, China and Malaysia because they are cheaper.

With regards to the opening post, the average IT worker in the small / medium businesses (the ones you see on Scriptlance and eLance) will make about $200 - $800 per month.

That's how much the guys in my company get paid, so you can't argue with that! The top project manager in our company earns around $3,500 at the age of 29.

I'd be happy to speak with you about it on the phone in private sometime. Just drop me a PM and I'll send you my office number.

I was in a unique position to work with people ranging from the wealthy to the homeless in vegas every day all day for a couple years teaching them and counseling them about various aspects of their lives.

I can offer you insight that not many people can so if you are seriously considering moving there... we can chat and I'll give you my honest opinion and share with you my experience.

There are people who have wonderful successful lives there... but there are also things that make certain families and individuals vulnerable to the corrosive nature of living in such a city. I would not recommend any family with children to move there.

Its not called "sin city" just because of the casinos.

I have a friend in Vegas, she does NOT like it.

For a quick visit, yes. Living there? No way.

Same thing with "Miami"....wanted to move there, but we did literally not read ONE SINGLE positive thing about living in Miami.

My fav city in the US still Seattle...but now we go off topic

Hi friend i'm from india average IT professional makes just 40$ .

even 60$ is more. Now position is really bad for IT professionals.
Many companies are firing them from work now a days.

So there will more drop in their earnings in future for IT professionals.

Strange, I thought market place was dependant on what people are willing to spend, and the prices of realty do dictate how much people are willing to spend on their homes, offices etc.

I'll tell you the true story- from an Indian's perspective, who is neither from an IIT (like Lakshay) nor from an IIM.
Yes, people from the "upper" strata of society, politicians and other "tutors" like Lakshay do make a lot of money, but most of it is at the cost of making others poorer.
Generally, an Indian IT worker, fresh from an average college gets a starting salary of 500,000 per annum, and this is considered GOOD in most cases. Do the math, and that comes out to be around $30k/year, which is roughly $2.5k a month.
Conduct a survey and most Indians, fresh out of college, would die to start at this wage. Yes, salaries grow as a person gets experienced, but the $150/hr salary mark still remains a distant dream for millions of IT workers. I guess Physics tutors are earning much more than the genuine engineers because tutors are a stepping stone for students to get into those IITs and IIMs that promise outrageous wages.
For the stats, out of 400,000 students, only 4000 make it to the IITs, they get paid voraciously, while others are happy with the $2.5k/mo mark.
Regards,
Jeewant

This thread seems to be taking a different direction.

Lets just wait and watch.

I've been in IT for about 8 years before full time IM... i think he'z talking about $1500/day..... thats not uncommon...

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I second that..... 3K/month is very common..... 4.5K would typically be for a senior developer/proj manager....

The idea that someone makes $800 per month so they are poor is flawed. IT professionals in India are not working in India and spending that $800 in US. I will soon be an IT professional. I will be making $800-$900 a month as a freshman. That is the average salary of an entry level IT professional who will be doing OUTSOURCED WORK.

The concept of FAIR WAGE - As an employer Paying someone $800-$900 a month in India is very FAIR.

There are many other companies in India too - Microsoft, Nokia, Sun, Google, Intel, Bank of America all of who recruit IT professionals also. In those "non-outsourced work" IT companies the salary varies from $12,000-$22,500 a year. They may not be as good as what an IT professional makes in the US or in the UK. But that is one of the key reasons why these companies are even here in India. Lower costs. These IT Professionals are "RICH" in their own way in India.

Lakshay,

As much as your nationalistic heart wants to see a country full of millionaires, the truth is very much to the contrary. Have you ever taking a bus ride to a rural area? I didn't think so. I am not pointing out the poverty. But the standard of living is lesser than what we see in urban India. Heck, I've been in Metropolitan cities all my life and I don't think I can afford the rents that I will soon have to pay in Bangalore or Hyderabad. My one months' salary is about ALL THE MONEY most farmers will ever see in a year in India.

Cost of real estate is not at all an Indication of how much an IT professional makes in India. Nor is how many students you put in the IITs or NITs or in DCE.

On a side note Lakshay, some humility will prove useful. This is an Internet Marketing forum. A better way for this thread to have moved is

"How does it affect the average internet marketer?"

Does it mean India is becoming less or a low cost IT destination? Will it cost more to hire programmers from India? Are you going to find programmers in china? Do programmers there cost lesser than in India?

Instead, the tread went from IT professionals to real estate prices to how much a farmer in Jalandpur makes in a day.

On a side note, could you present some stats of your 82% conversion rate you had mentioned in an earlier thread please - just post the URL of the site so we can all learn from it? The one which was used to promote your coaching service. For someone with that many coaching students on your hands, you sure spend awful long time posting here and working on your websites. Please, share your secrets with us, perhaps in a new thread?

Thank you
Raja Sekharan

As Lakshya rightly said, "We are all more similar than we think we are" I was just reading the reactions to the Slumdog Billionaire in India. Interestingly one of the Indian top actors felt it only propogated the myth of India as a poverty stricken country and emphasized that it did not potray the accurate picture of India. Interesting indeed......

For the unknowing - More than HALF of Mumbai is a SLUM. The Financial and Entertainment capital of India.

There are people in certain areas of India that make very good money. Those are the "hot spots".

The problem is, India has a very heavily weighted scale of people that go from VERY poor to VERY rich, and the majority of the population is at the lower end of the scale, and $8 a day does look good to them.

India is the second most populated country in the world, proyected to be the most populated in a few years. It also has an amazing economic growth rate.

While it's true that people with no degree get payed miserably, professionals are making a killing there.

All those statistics measure things like the GDP per capita, and with that volume in population it means they are pretty far off.

If I were to do any FDI, India is definitely one of my top choices.

NEWS: I just went to IIT to get some stats! I specifically went back for this.

I saw the placements this year... Average IT Trainee @ Rs. 8 Lac/Annum Domestic!

Top Domestic Trainee Salary: Rs. 22 Lac/year (Same Package went to 9 people)

Top International Trainee Salary: Rs. 60Lac/year.

Average Intl trainee Salary: Rs. Rs. 36 Lac/year.

1 lac = Rs. 100,000

And I sincerely hope we are talking about professionals here... Not people living in slums. For those people do not have to be the ones who are IT professionals (I might be totally ignorant, but I am sure IT professionals are not living in the slums... ever)

-Lakshay

P.S. I delibrately chose not to answer some posts... I am not selling anything here (if you know what I mean. There have been personal attacks on me which I don't appreciate in the least but I chose not to respond to them. Because fights are like claps... You need TWO hands for them, and rest assure mine is not going to be one of them... EVER. Nor am I giong to defend myself... whose the judge here anyway?).

For any non-Indian the best way to find what the prices of common articles and commodities are in New Delhi and Mumbai, you are most welcome to visit us here and find out for yourself. I spend anywhere between $50-$250 on my shirts at Lifestyle.. You should expect to pay the same unless you are walking in with a gun.

I think over 75% of the Indian population is under 35 years of age... Heard that off some news channel just yesterday!

Hey, I'm from Detroit... I'd call that the slums... LOL... but that certainly doesn't mean I can't work as good or better than anyone else.

Sure IT outsourcing *usually* requires an education, so the poor are at a disadvantage for that. However, there are other outsourcing tasks that those 800 million can do quite well and happily for $8 a day.

I was in India one month ago for a vacation. People earn differently depending of the work of course. But the houses are really cheap, because they are easy to build. My friend bought a three story house near to beach with 30 grand usd. This is pretty cheap place to live.

Quality has its price, no matter where it is. You can get good hard working people for $2 per hour doing some data entry jobs or other basic online jobs. You won't get a good programmer for that price or other skilled people. But it's still amazing for how little you can get really good work done.

Gunter

I have a "mentee" in India that is a 19 year old student. As a young single male, he says he needs about $500 US to live a comfortable life... as a student working part time.

He lives in a smallish place with several roommates, so its reasonable.

For those who are looking to outsource to India because its so cheap, I suggest that you remember that you get what you pay for. You can get comperable quality for less, but you need to be careful about what you are doing and who you work with.

Also - there is no need to be greedy and try to get something for nothing. I outsource development work all the time, but I always pay well. It not only is ethical, but it ensures that you get some loyalty and attention!

Ron

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I've been to Delhi and the area about 8 times in the last 12 years.
I am not a tourist and only go there for a specific event. It has
made quite an impression on me.

I saw a Discovery channel type of program that mentioned just
because India had the zero, their math was almost infinitely
superior to the west. We have what are called the Arabian
numerals but they only came to us from Arabia. Arabia got them
from India.

I can't remember the exact figures, but the program said that they
knew the earth was round and had its diameter calculated to within
1% about 2000 BC. You certainly do not hear about that in the
Canadian and US schools. I'm pretty sure that would be a 50 year
project for me even today.

I mentioned to someone I knew about 25 years ago "Boy, India is
really starting to boom." Told him Mercedes was building a plant
there and another thing or 2, and both he and his wife completely
thought that was ridiculous. I'm not in touch with him anymore but
it was interesting to see the Tata buyout of Jaguar hit the news
big time.

So it is quite an impressive civilization to me, especially with their
latest production, Prem Rawat. He has been my favorite speaker
for more than 30 years. I'll just throw in a short quote from him
that fits into the spirit of the forum. He doesn't believe the idea
that karma from your last lifetime affects you now.

He said that when he goes back to India he is sometimes told "of
course karma rules. Why do you think one person is born into a
rich family and another is born into a poor family?"

A part of his answer last time was "When someone is born into a
rich family, that person has the potential to make the whole family
poor. When someone is born into a poor family, that person has
the potential to make the whole family rich."

I do have more than 30 pages of short quotes from him that are as
impressive to me, but certainly wouldn't be to everyone. He does
have 3 sites that are probably easily googleable.

He thoroughly enjoys technology and put the sites together himself.
One is a cold fusion site and that site was actually the reason I got
my first computer and got online. All the material on the sites comes
from his talks and he also wrote the background music for the one
that has it. (He has written a couple of cds of music, but
unfortunately they are not available for purchase.)

He talks about 200 times a year and all of his talks are completely
different, and none of them are prepared in advance. I told that to
the same guy I mentioned before and he flat out did not believe it.
He mentioned about 5 times in the next couple of months that "of
course he prepares his talks in advance."

I put on a dvd of one of his talks and about 5 minutes into it he
said "wow, this is just completely off the cuff." It is hard to explain.
He is not trying to wing it and come up with stuff on stage. I have
a talk that he gave to a UN assembly in Bangkok. I have probably
watched it 6 times over at least that many years and have
enjoyed it each time. It is probably the only talk ever given there
that I would listen to completely without being physically
restrained.

So, practically a boundless respect for India.

best wishes, lloyd
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thanks for that good one

I'm not trying to fuel any fires here, and I realize that what I am about to quote are largely statistical estimates and/or averages. But these figures come from what is normally considered a reliable source.

The source for these figures is https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/in.html#Econ

While some of this information may have been touched on, I find it interesting that several of out Indian counterparts are arguing that the daily wage they see is 5 to 30 times (or more) what this thread qas questioning, and yet the figures that the rest of the world sees put the estimated GDP per capita for last year at about $8 a day.

For reference I'm including some of the information available forthe USA as a comparison.
I'd just like to know how these conflicting numbers come together. I know an experienced person can manipulate statistics to make them say what they want, but I'm going on the presumption here that none of us (Indian, American, Romanian, Etc) are trying to manipulate these numbers, just establish a better understanding of the reality of the situation.

I also just ran a quick search for real estate in India, and came across the following:
http://www.99acres.com/K1445220
Which is an Independent Bunglow with a 2200 sq. yards plot size & built-up area-4400 sq.ft with swimming pool, 6 bedrooms. While yes this is 2200000000 Indian Rupees, or 44,918,200 USD, this is a 4400 sq ft building, in Delhi, with 2200 sq yards of total land (for reference this is approximately 0.45 acres in typical US measurement.

I know $8 a day is good money for people in India when I get countless emails from my article writers saying it is.

I know $8 a day is good money for people in India when I upgrade better writers from $3 an article to $5 an article, and the response is ecstatic and overflowing with joy.

I know $8 a day is good money for people in India when I drop a writer for poor skills and I'm told the family won't eat or the rent won't get paid and I can tell damn sure it's sincere.

You can argue numbers all day long, but for a wide variety of people living in India, the $8-$15 a day mark seems to be more than enough to survive on, and is often "good" money.

Many people in the united states live on less than $20,000 a year, and consider it good money. Why? Because they might have a car, they might have a home, but at the end of the day the money allows them to do what they want with their lives, and it makes them happy.

Other people need $500,000+ a year, need a jaguar, need a ritzy condo somewhere, need investment portfolios.

Back in highschool when all I wanted to do was skateboard and chase girls, working at BestBuy gave me a dream life. No one could understand why I was so damn happy with $150 a week. It paid my rent, put shoes on my feet, and put those shoes on a skateboard. Bliss.

If what you do brings you enough money to live the life you need, then you are making "good money".

From my experience, a typical hire out of India costs $13,000 annually, including benefits.

That's just what it averages out to be, I don't my writers constantly working. If I have the demand they'll write as much as they have time for, otherwise its only 15-20 articles a week.

So, for just working with me, they have a week to accomplish this task, and easily 95% of anyone from India I've ever used was done same day or next day when I give out requests. Something I don't often see anywhere else.

I also used to attend RIT, Rochester Institute of Technology (which also has a campus in india, I believe in Dubai?), has many Indian students (most of which are NOT IT related from my experience, often medical or bio related, sometimes math), and have talked to several one on one.

I was informed that for a majority of indians, $10-15 USD daily would be enough to live off of, and depending on the area and situation, would even be a comfortable life.

I think that India has such an explosive economy that it varies so much, it's hard to quantify everything with a set number, or a set percentage.

My main point is, at least for the people I've worked with, $8 a day can be suitable to live off of, and given internet access, even for brief periods of time, is obtainable by anyone with a fair education.

How many have access to those things, well, I don't know.

it is interesting to se how disparate the classes are ...but the same is getting more and more true in america everyday . I think what the OP is saying is that you get what you pay for ...even in India.

the class thing I have found to exist in america as well ..particularily in the high high income people...they seem to do business with each other without regard for the 'price'..how else could someone get bilked out of millions froms some ponzi scheme?

having grown up around a bunch of Jewish merchants I can tell you , that while they are bargainers extrodanaire (sp) they are hard working and 'trade within their own circle when they can '

sounds like that is in India also

I would llike to visit some day ...I saw the tv show about India history and the basis for math , as we know it, originated there...according to discovery . and with math come architecture, buildings, edcuation etc.

unlike nigeria where $8 a day is a big money.

For some reason, the Indians really worship their rich like the Ambania amd Mittals. No matter that they throw the most expensive, obstentatious and vulgar parties of all time. It seems that they get a lot of kick by burning tonnes of money in front of really poor people. Like many others in China and Russia, the well off would just like to forget about the poor altogether.

I was in Mumbai several years back when our plane broke down during the stopover. I stayed in the Taj Mahal for a couple of days courtesy of British airways. Of course, Mumbai is very interesting city but the disparaties in wealth was extremely distressing and depressing to all of us who were there. I just can't how Indians can be really proud of this, especially how their rich behaves.

well that not for everyone. some people can make it and some can't

Average Indian IT worker makes $10-25 per hour.

This comment is meant to offend anyone. But from everything that I heard, no one wants to outsource to India these days. Again, only going from what I've heard, there has been a lot of dishonest conduct in business, perhaps even just a communication mishap of sorts. Any news or input for this?

I ran a 15 person call center in India back in 2003 and at that time I hired couple of a web designer/programers for Rs.10,000/mo or about $250/mo that had about 2 yrs experience.

If I was to go now, I know I would pay 20,000-30,000/mo for QUALITY programers NOT from IIT or anyting but still good solid experience.

Elaina, as far as dishonesty is concernd its everywhere but compared to US - India still has a lot to learn they play with hundrends and thousands - Long ways from BILLIONS the 'honest US' corporations have siphoned.

Hmmm... this is a very interesting topic. My views on wages is starting to change.

I think people over generalize too much when it comes to third world developing countries. Or at least the countries people outsource to.

Just because you can find someone to pay a little $5 bucks / hour to do a task doesn't mean the whole population is dirt poor.

Just like in any society there will always be the rich and the poor. But in countries like maybe the US and Canada, the divide isn't as distinct as in poorer countries. But there will always be rich and poor in any society.

My suggestion is always for people to check out the places they outsource to. It's really an eye opener and I'm sure you'll learn a lot from just seeing different cultures. : )

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Palitra - If you've ever been to India, It's probably a couple of decades ago...
The most "shady" hotels cost $20... and you wouldn't want to stay there...

I admit i haven't read the whole thread,But
I am working as a software Engineer in India
and my monthly income is 900$.

My managers make around 1900$ per month.
Nowhere near the figures mentioned here.

India is a big place.

Some places have good pay. Some places don't.

Come out here to Washington state. Get a job in Bellevue, and you can make $80 an hour in IT. Drive two hours south to Castle Rock, and you can't... you'll be lucky to make $25 an hour. Drive another two hours south to Portland, Oregon, and you can get $60 an hour. Two hours more to Lebanon, Oregon... and they don't know what IT is.

India's plenty big enough to have the same kind of disparity from region to region. Hell, how many dialects do they have, again?

MNC's like Oracle.... many smaller also easily pay that much.... from personal exp...

Guys...Remember the OP said the 'Average' IT people in india earn that money.
Not the ones from 'Oracle' and 'Google'or the Tata and Birla.
There may be exceptions.Don't site them examples.

I consider myself a 'Average' IT person and i know for sure that the salary is
at most 1000$ per month.Not more.

Let's just not 'Accept' that we earn more just for Pride.

i think indian average salary is approx 15000/- ruppes

Sure, they make 150 a day if they work about 18 hours. The average IT pay over there is around 10-12 an hour and thats for a guy with education that would get him about 70k a year in the states.

I work for a large computer company that has some of our IT outsourced. What would get you about 15-16 an hour here, gets you about half that over there. Common sense tells you that if they were getting paid as much as U.S. it people, then u.s. it companies would be rushing to outsource to india..what would be the point.

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1 Indian rupee = 0.020886 U.S. dollars
PayScale India - Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer Salary, Average Salaries

1 Indian rupee = 0.0129953946 British pounds
1 Indian rupee = 0.014198001 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.161834345 Hong Kong dollars
1 Indian rupee = 1.89304813 Japanese yen
1 Indian rupee = 0.278896485 Mexican pesos
1 Indian rupee = 0.076695916 United Arab Emirates dirhams
1 Indian rupee = 0.0240343002 Australian dollars
1 Indian rupee = 0.0226704956
1 Indian rupee = 24.9474313 South Korean won
1 Indian rupee = 0.142558697 Chinese yuan

Thanks Lisa. Wow, I didn't realize the pound's really gone down.

One of my writers said $300 USD a month is more than enough for a good life in Chennai, India

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Motley: Are you calling India a trash heap? Appreciate an answer.....

No, i'm saying that there are some places in india where you may find a decent job for india, but sanitation is less than adequate, and even with a great job, that small issue makes the pay not worth it.

Motley: Accepted.

But itn't that the case with a lot of "developed" places around the world, including America?

Prashaant,

If you feel you are living in paradise, just sit back and laugh. There will be that many fewer people to hurt your way of life.

Steve

Steve, I never said I'm living in paradise. READ my posts above....
What I was doing is pointing to the derogatory remarks you have been making...

Just making a point that India is not the land of "elephants & poor people".

Anyways... no point arguing. I rest my case.

On the bright side.... now u know what to do if you get Hemorrhoids!! :-P