North Korea's Kim Jong Il Dead

HeySal

14 years ago

Wow -- this might end up being the end of another war. Fingers crossed.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow -- this might end up being the end of another war. Fingers crossed.

I DOUBT it, but that WOULD be nice.

BEWARE THOUGH! There is a SEVERE threat of a war with russia and iran! I mean acts have been taken on BOTH sides and threats have come from the top. The capture of that drone only hurt things! From what I have heard, Iran is claiming they have done something that has been feared for DECADES to some degree! I mean like close to 100 years! For 20-30, maybe more, some have feared that PRECISELY what they claimed to have done would happen. It SHOULD have been VERY difficult! It SHOULD have been specially encrypted! The military SUPPOSEDLY kept SOME technology SECRET! That LAST point iran claimed they overcame by looking at OTHER US aircraft, etc!

So WHAT did they claim, as I heard anyway? They claimed that they effectively created a fake GPS environment to make the plane believe that it was landing on US soil!

If true, that is ESPECIALLY bad in this case, because it should have encrypted remote controls and remote visual, so the pilot could recognize the error and compensate. Having THAT lack of control on a platform that could have weapons is just *****DUMB*****!

Then again, maybe it had a homing failsafe, so that if communications were cut off, and it could direct itself, it would land on home base. Iran tricked it into thinking IRAN was home base.

Imagine if iran could do that remotely? They MIGHT be able to make a GPS bomb think ISRAEL was IRAN so if someone bombed iran, it would hit israel. That WOULD be harder, because of the positioning and power needed, but it is conceivable.

In any event, that is scary.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I DOUBT it, but that WOULD be nice.

BEWARE THOUGH! There is a SEVERE threat of a war with russia and iran! I mean acts have been taken on BOTH sides and threats have come from the top. The capture of that drone only hurt things! From what I have heard, Iran is claiming they have done something that has been feared for DECADES to some degree! I mean like close to 100 years! For 20-30, maybe more, some have feared that PRECISELY what they claimed to have done would happen. It SHOULD have been VERY difficult! It SHOULD have been specially encrypted! The military SUPPOSEDLY kept SOME technology SECRET! That LAST point iran claimed they overcame by looking at OTHER US aircraft, etc!

So WHAT did they claim, as I heard anyway? They claimed that they effectively created a fake GPS environment to make the plane believe that it was landing on US soil!

If true, that is ESPECIALLY bad in this case, because it should have encrypted remote controls and remote visual, so the pilot could recognize the error and compensate. Having THAT lack of control on a platform that could have weapons is just *****DUMB*****!

Then again, maybe it had a homing failsafe, so that if communications were cut off, and it could direct itself, it would land on home base. Iran tricked it into thinking IRAN was home base.

Imagine if iran could do that remotely? They MIGHT be able to make a GPS bomb think ISRAEL was IRAN so if someone bombed iran, it would hit israel. That WOULD be harder, because of the positioning and power needed, but it is conceivable.

In any event, that is scary.

Steve

Hmm thats crazy, this makes me fire up Google and search for more info

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I DOUBT it, but that WOULD be nice.

BEWARE THOUGH! There is a SEVERE threat of a war with russia and iran! I mean acts have been taken on BOTH sides and threats have come from the top. The capture of that drone only hurt things! From what I have heard, Iran is claiming they have done something that has been feared for DECADES to some degree! I mean like close to 100 years! For 20-30, maybe more, some have feared that PRECISELY what they claimed to have done would happen. It SHOULD have been VERY difficult! It SHOULD have been specially encrypted! The military SUPPOSEDLY kept SOME technology SECRET! That LAST point iran claimed they overcame by looking at OTHER US aircraft, etc!

So WHAT did they claim, as I heard anyway? They claimed that they effectively created a fake GPS environment to make the plane believe that it was landing on US soil!

If true, that is ESPECIALLY bad in this case, because it should have encrypted remote controls and remote visual, so the pilot could recognize the error and compensate. Having THAT lack of control on a platform that could have weapons is just *****DUMB*****!

Then again, maybe it had a homing failsafe, so that if communications were cut off, and it could direct itself, it would land on home base. Iran tricked it into thinking IRAN was home base.

Imagine if iran could do that remotely? They MIGHT be able to make a GPS bomb think ISRAEL was IRAN so if someone bombed iran, it would hit israel. That WOULD be harder, because of the positioning and power needed, but it is conceivable.

In any event, that is scary.

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Do you think?
Those stars are US bases.
If you where Iran, wouldn't you be thinking about defending yourself?

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Do you think?
Those stars are US bases.
If you where Iran, wouldn't you be thinking about defending yourself?

I simply wanted to call attention to the fact that peace isn't in danger of breaking out. More and more, it looks like we are on the brink of WWIII.

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whateverpedia 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow -- this might end up being the end of another war. Fingers crossed.

Unlikely. The children, having started out as spoilt brats, turn out worse than the parents.

You never know though. Watch this space (as they say).
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derekwong28 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow -- this might end up being the end of another war. Fingers crossed.

Unfortunately, it could turn out the other way round. Whoever take over will probably want to prove himself by launching a provocation i.e. an attack on South Korea. If South Korea decides to respond in kind, then all bets are off.

But out of the "Axis of Evil" states, I would say N. Korea has by far the worse record in terms of threatening its neighbors and sponsoring state terrorism.
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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Maybe a revolt is on the way (like Egypt, Lybia, etc.), I wouldn't mind seeing the dictatorship overthrown.

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Richard Van 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe128139

Maybe a revolt is on the way (like Egypt, Lybia, etc.), I wouldn't mind seeing the dictatorship overthrown.

Watching this I wouldn't have thought so.

I've never seen anything quite like it in my entire life.

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- thunderbird 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Richard Van
  
  Watching this I wouldn't have thought so.
  
  I've never seen anything quite like it in my entire life.
  
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  Incredible. All that love for that nasty little man, evil spawn of a family that transformed North Korea into a barren cult.
  
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14 years ago

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Roaddog

14 years ago

Usually don't say this about a death but, good.

Time to get rid of that whole damn family.

If you go to the DMZ today, it's still a war zone. Hundreds of soldiers have lost their lives in firefights since the armistice.
Seoul which is only (if I remember correctly) about 13 miles (edit:correction Seoul is 35 miles from the border) away, still lives under fear of an invasion and the military readiness shows it.
And yea I have been up there.

Time to get in there and feed those hungry kids and brainwashed adults.

From the article...

The announcer, wearing black, said he had died on Saturday of physical and mental over-work.

lol ...who do they think they are fooling?

From reality...

For a few years in the early 1990s, it was confirmed by Hennessy that Kim Jong Il was it’s best customer, spending about $600,000 to $850,000 annually on the liquor. He is partial to the Paradis cognac, which can sell for over $700 per bottle. In comparison, the average North Korean makes about $1000 per year.

Anyone who makes his people suffer, so he can live in luxury, offends my delicate sensibilities.

Best news I've heard today.

State TV also announced that Kim Jong Eun will take over as leader.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

I know this is going to sound a little "crazy" or contra"dictator"y...

But I'm almost sorry to hear this...I read his chosen successor-son Kim Jong Eun is even more of a whack-job ill-informed god-delusion than his old man...
(but it must be nice to start your military career as a 4-star general)

North Korea might be even worse off than they were yesterday...

But, also - as Roaddog said...it's the best news I've heard today! Which is really not good at all...

Where will we ever find another super-human like Kim - that can Bowl a perfect 300, and play a perfect round of Golf The FIRST TIME they even play the game????

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JustinDupre

14 years ago

The best news that has come out of North Korea lately..

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Thomas Wilkinson

14 years ago

I wonder who takes over as having the world's worst haircut now? I've heard this guy was the inspiration behind Chia Pets.

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Chris Worner 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson

I wonder who takes over as having the world's worst haircut now? I've heard this guy was the inspiration behind Chia Pets.

Donald Trump?

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Communism has left devastation on any nation afflicted with it, like a locust invasion with culturally gutted deserts in its path. Even worse than corporatism which is afflicting nations in ugly ways as well.

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Communism has left devastation on any nation afflicted with it, like a locust invasion with culturally gutted deserts in its path. Even worse than corporatism which is afflicting nations in ugly ways as well.

Corporatism isn't responsible for the murder of over 120 million people over the last century.

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thunderbird 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Corporatism isn't responsible for the murder of over 120 million people over the last century.

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Crony Corporatism goes against the nature of real free enterprise and genuine capitalism, bad for society. But make not mistake about it, Communism has been much worse.
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Michael Ten

14 years ago

May freedom and personal responsibility reign supreme! Hopefully that country will be more free from today forward and forever.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

I love what South Park did with the guy.

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whateverpedia 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I love what South Park did with the guy. TL

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Fernando Veloso

14 years ago

Hope they have another chance for freedom...

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whateverpedia

14 years ago

in Breaking News:

Looks like Sonny Kim is already starting to flex his muscles:

South Korea on alert as North 'fires missile' - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

North Korea has test fired a missile off its eastern coast, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported as South Korea's military was placed on high alert in the wake of the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

It was fired into the ocean, but nevertheless...

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Roaddog

14 years ago

Same people Steve...Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

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WilsonJ

14 years ago

The most interesting thing related to his death news was the fact that there was nothing on twitter etc for like 2 hours :O

How on earth can that happen?people tweet even if their dog dies[not that i think dogs are worthless]. He was a king of a country man..

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whateverpedia

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WilsonJ

The most interesting thing related to his death news was the fact that there was nothing on twitter etc for like 2 hours :O

How on earth can that happen?people tweet even if their dog dies[not that i think dogs are worthless]. He was a king of a country man..

Actually he died on Saturday. Most of the delay was from the DPRK authorites working out how they could put the best possible spin on it.

Once it was finally released, the delay on it being Tweeted was probably from people waiting for it to be confirmed.

Over the decades Fidel Castro was said to have died many times, right up until he finally did pass away earlier this year.

And no, he wasn't the King of North Korea, anymore than Stalin was King of Russia, or Mao was King of China.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Fidel is still alive actually. He did resign earlier this year as the leader of the communist party in Cuba.

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Over the decades Fidel Castro was said to have died many times, right up until he finally did pass away earlier this year.

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ThomM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Fidel is still alive actually. He did resign earlier this year as the leader of the communist party in Cuba.

Heck Castro's still a young pup, he's only 85

Guess there is something to smoking Cuban cigars all the time.

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Heck Castro's still a young pup, he's only 85
Guess there is something to smoking Cuban cigars all the time.

jack lalanne lived to 96YO!
C EVERETT KOOP is only about 95YO, but he is still alive.
And there are older, of course. As you said, 85 is a "young pup".

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Watching this I wouldn't have thought so.

I've never seen anything quite like it in my entire life.

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I've never seen anyone cry like that in all my life, let alone a small army all standing in formation. Propaganda if you ask me. They were forced, bribed or coerced into putting on a show for the world. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them went home and celebrated when they were finished.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've never seen anyone cry like that in all my life, let alone a small army all standing in formation. Propaganda if you ask me. They were forced, bribed or coerced into putting on a show for the world. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them went home and celebrated when they were finished.

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I would be shocked to think anyone could actually believe it was real.

Kim Il loved Hollywood...kind of shows through.

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ThomM 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Dennis,

I would be shocked to think anyone could actually believe it was real.

Kim Il loved Hollywood...kind of shows through.

I figure they had two choices.
Cry in the street or get shot for not crying in the street
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  I figure they had two choices.
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- hardraysnight 14 years ago
  
  R I P Kim Jung Il
  
  It is interesting to watch the treatment China TV is giving the event. I often watch Chinese TV, fascinates me
  
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  Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors
  
  R I P Kim Jung Il
  
  If anybody should go to hell, then Kim Jong Il deserves it many times over for enslaving and destroying his people for his own selfish ends.
  
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  If anybody should go to hell, then Kim Jong Il deserves it many times over for enslaving and destroying his people for his own selfish ends.
  
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Dennis,

I would be shocked to think anyone could actually believe it was real.

Jim - Apparently the video has fooled the news reporters or they think they're fooling us because they seem to be reporting it like it's an amazing outpouring of grief born of true affection. They also seem to be trying to soften his image. He's no longer a dictator but the North Korean leader, among other more benign terms.

Note to self: Never, ever, ever trust the mainstream media.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Jim - Apparently the video has fooled the news reporters or they think they're fooling us because they seem to be reporting it like it's an amazing outpouring of grief born of true affection. They also seem to be trying to soften his image. He's no longer a dictator but the North Korean leader, among other more benign terms.

Note to self: Never, ever, ever trust the mainstream media.

Considering some of the laws being passed in the US right now, they are probably being well versed in his propaganda methods.

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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Considering some of the laws being passed in the US right now, they are probably being well versed in his propaganda methods.

Can't argue with that. Can't comment on it too much either without crossing that old "no politics" line.
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- TLTheLiberator 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill
  
  Can't argue with that. Can't comment on it too much either without crossing that old "no politics" line.
  
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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Dennis,

I would be shocked to think anyone could actually believe it was real.

Just to clarify I don't actually believe it for one moment.

I never realised how brain washed they were until I saw a documentary where some very nice Americans were, under the armed watchfulness of N. Korean gaurds, allowed into the North to do catarct operations on a group of then blind N. Koreans.

On having the bandages removed and seeing again for the first time in a long time, the first thing they did was declare undying love for their dear leader, then began spitting bile and declaring their will to fight and die for him in the "fight" against America and all directly in front of the very Americans that gave them their sight back. They didn't even acknowledge them, it was as though Kim himself had done it by big rabbit magic, or something.

Without question the most ungrateful act I'd ever witnessed. I don't think those Americans went home with much of a feeling of "Job satisfaction" that day either.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Just to clarify I don't actually believe it for one moment.

I never realised how brain washed they were until I saw a documentary where some very nice Americans were, under the armed watchfulness of N. Korean gaurds, allowed into the North to do catarct operations on a group of then blind N. Koreans.

On having the bandages removed and seeing again for the first time in a long time, the first thing they did was declare undying love for their dear leader, then began spitting bile and declaring their will to fight and die for him in the "fight" against America and all directly in front of the very Americans that gave them their sight back. They didn't even acknowledge them, it was as though Kim himself had done it by big rabbit magic, or something.

Without question the most ungrateful act I'd ever witnessed. I don't think those Americans went home with much of a feeling of "Job satisfaction" that day either.

Whole country is a bunch of wackos (sure there are defectors here and there too). almost can't blame them, their oppressed and brainwashed from the time their born. They know nothing else b/c of the countries restrictions on outside news/info etc, I watched another documentary where they think where they live and how they live and their technology and this and that... that they are on top of the world.

One brainwashed country.... if only they could wonder out for a bit and see how much better and open the world is. Maybe sneak over to South Korea and marvel how much nicer it is, and party 24/7 since it's like being in Miami there lol

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It has been quite a bad year for dictators. {sniff}
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've never seen anyone cry like that in all my life, let alone a small army all standing in formation. Propaganda if you ask me. They were forced, bribed or coerced into putting on a show for the world. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them went home and celebrated when they were finished.

Yeah, they seemed to be too UNIFORM to be spontaneous. That tells me that it was either propaganda, forced, or they FELT forced. And military troops, ESPECIALLY in such a country, ********NEVER******** openly cry when in formation. It doesn't matter if they are at "parade rest", "at ease", etc.... NEVER! It is a violation of decorum, often frowned on in the military, battle, or any public display, etc.... EVEN in the US, but CERTAINLY in a nation such as china or North Korea. So OBVIOUSLY it was ordered, or KNOWN to be sanctioned.

Besides, WHY would any man blubber so?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, they seemed to be too UNIFORM to be spontaneous. That tells me that it was either propaganda, forced, or they FELT forced. And military troops, ESPECIALLY in such a country, ********NEVER******** openly cry when in formation. It doesn't matter if they are at "parade rest", "at ease", etc.... NEVER! It is a violation of decorum, often frowned on in the military, battle, or any public display, etc.... EVEN in the US, but CERTAINLY in a nation such as china or North Korea. So OBVIOUSLY it was ordered, or KNOWN to be sanctioned.

Besides, WHY would any man blubber so?

Steve

Tear gas...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Tear gas...

I've seen people go through tear gas. Even THEN, they don't blubber like that! TEAR a lot, YES! SOB and even cry? MAYBE. But BLUBBER! I mean all that noise and action like some baby denied food, when very hungry, or MAYBE someone that saw a VERY good friend or loved child, tortured and maimed and killed. I mean GIVE ME A BREAK. I don't know if I EVER blubbered like that but, if I did, it was before I was about 8. And at times I have been in LOTS of pain. I DID lose a very dear friend. Granted, women are more likely to. Some men are. But HERE, we are talking about LOTS of people.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I've seen people go through tear gas. Even THEN, they don't blubber like that! TEAR a lot, YES! SOB and even cry? MAYBE. But BLUBBER! I mean all that noise and action like some baby denied food, when very hungry, or MAYBE someone that saw a VERY good friend or loved child, tortured and maimed and killed. I mean GIVE ME A BREAK. I don't know if I EVER blubbered like that but, if I did, it was before I was about 8. And at times I have been in LOTS of pain. I DID lose a very dear friend. Granted, women are more likely to. Some men are. But HERE, we are talking about LOTS of people.

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Why don't you let me tear gas you...Then we can see if you blubber or not.

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Why don't you let me tear gas you...Then we can see if you blubber or not.

No thanks! I don't even like SALT in my eyes! I NEVER said it wasn't painful, etc... But whatever you see, whether military training films, war films etc... it isn't at the level of that video. Even if there IS more real crying. Now the threat of being shot, or the promise of a meal far nicer than otherwise, CULD encourage some nice acting.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Why don't you let me tear gas you...Then we can see if you blubber or not.

I've been through a tear gas filled building in boot camp. It does produce tears, that stuff stings like hell, but it doesn't make you sob. Not the kind we were exposed to anyway.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

No thanks! I don't even like SALT in my eyes! I NEVER said it wasn't painful, etc... But whatever you see, whether military training films, war films etc... it isn't at the level of that video. Even if there IS more real crying. Now the threat of being shot, or the promise of a meal far nicer than otherwise, CULD encourage some nice acting.

Steve

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've been through a tear gas filled building in boot camp. It does produce tears, that stuff stings like hell, but it doesn't make you sob. Not the kind we were exposed to anyway.

I've accidently tear gassed myself, so I know the results....It doesn't change my point that I still wnat to tear gas Steve.

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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I've accidently tear gassed myself, so I know the results....It doesn't change my point that I still wnat to tear gas Steve.

lol - Can I join you? Someone has to shoot the video.
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  Sure...The more the merrier...But to be honest, I think both of us tear gassing Steve would be a little redundant. I'll bring pepper spray.
  
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bravo75 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Why don't you let me tear gas you...Then we can see if you blubber or not.

You do give me the chuckles from time to time. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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whateverpedia 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Fidel is still alive actually. He did resign earlier this year as the leader of the communist party in Cuba.

DOH!!!

I originally wrote that he was still alive, but checked on wikipedia to make sure.

I mistook his resignation date as his date of death. Apologies to all.

The big point though was that he was rumoured to have died many times since assuming power.
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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Same people Steve...Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

Team America

That's like saying "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" and "king of the hill" and "office space" are the same.

So was TL saying that they made Il look like a sad lonely guy that figured he was PERFECT? MAN, Il seems so far from perfect in ANY way I can think of. Even his ARROGANCE is probably based on an inferiority complex.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

That's like saying "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" and "king of the hill" and "office space" are the same.

So was TL saying that they made Il look like a sad lonely guy that figured he was PERFECT? MAN, Il seems so far from perfect in ANY way I can think of. Even his ARROGANCE is probably based on an inferiority complex.

Steve

I can't speak for TL, don't know.
Just saying they were the same people, just in case you didn't know.

The 'perfect' thing was probably thought up by some PR group he had in his basement, to make a stronger figurehead...for some reason the Wizard of Oz comes to mind.

I agree with what you said about spoiled kids being even worse...maybe the world and his people most of all, will get lucky...and the self indulgent craziness will skip a generation....but the odds aren't good.

I don't really need to psychoanalyze him to know there was something wrong.
Like I saw in one of the comments, too bad for him, his name wasn't Kim Jong-Healthy.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

And no, he wasn't the King of North Korea, anymore than Stalin was King of Russia, or Mao was King of China.

It's all a matter of semantics...

One man's king - is another man's totalitarian, maniacal, country starving, axis of evil p.o.s. draconian god complex dictator...

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14 years ago

Just saw a video of all the crying - it's unbelievable

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Kim Jong-il: Ten things you never knew...or never wanted to know...
The North Korean leader, or 'Ever-Victorious, Iron-Willed Commander', was a big fan of Elizabeth Taylor and very fresh sashimi – and a whizz at golf

North Korean leader Kim Jong-il, who died on Saturday.
Photograph: KOREA NEWS SERVICE/Reuters/Corbis

1) North Korea's future 'dear leader' was born in, well, no one seems exactly sure where or when. According to the legend his family cultivated, he was born at his father's log cabin on the side of North Korea's sacred Mt Paektu in 1942.

A swallow was seen in the sky, signalling the early arrival of spring. A new star shone in the sky and a double rainbow was sighted nearby. The Soviets, meanwhile, said their records showed he was born in the Siberian village of Vyatskoye in 1941.

2) The first confirmed sighting of Kim Jong-il came in the early 1970s, when he was spotted on holiday in Malta, where it is understood he was receiving personal English lessons from the Maltese prime minister, Dom Mintoff.

3) In 1994, when he succeeded his father and "Eternal President" Kim Il-sung to lead North Korea, he was granted the first of more than 200 official titles. These included "Guiding Star of the 21st Century", "Glorious General, Who Descended from Heaven", "Amazing Politician", "Ever-Victorious, Iron-Willed Commander" and "Highest Incarnation of the Revolutionary Comradely Love".

4) When Pyongyang's first golf course opened in 1994, he was given the honour of playing the first round. When he came to sign his card at the end, it stated that he had shot a 38-under-par round, which included 11 holes-in-one. His 17 bodyguards were put forward as witnesses to his remarkable feat.

5) In 2006, in reaction to North Korea testing a nuclear weapon, the US stepped up its sanctions against the rogue state. In an attempt to dent Kim Jong-il's known love of luxury goods, the US banned 60 luxury items entering the country, including yachts, Chanel No 5, Segways and even rare stamps.

Knowing that he loved cognac – his court apparently spent $800,000 (£517,000) a year on Hennessy – the US also banned lead crystal and spirits.

6) The US government also banned televisions with screens larger than 29in. It was another attempt to impact on Kim Jong-il's lifestyle. As a film buff, he had a collection of 20,000 videos and DVDs, including his favourites such as Rambo, Friday the 13th and the complete oeuvre of Elizabeth Taylor.

7) In 1978, Kim Jong-il reportedly ordered the kidnapping of celebrated South Korean film-maker Shin Sang-ok and his actor wife Choi Eun-hee so that they could make a socialist version of Godzilla, his all-time favourite film.

8) Ermanno Furlanis, an Italian chef who once worked directly for Kim Jong-il, wrote a book about his experiences stating that he was ordered to carve sashimi from a live fish and never to place anchovies on pizzas. He was also sent to Uzbekistan to buy caviar, Denmark to buy pork, China for grapes and to Thailand for mangos and papayas. A former personal doctor also said that a team of 200 scientists worked to cultivate the perfect diet to ensure he had a longer life.

9) In 2000, a new food "invented" by Kim Jong-il called "Gogigyeopbbang" was introduced to North Koreans. It was described as "double bread with meat", but took on the uncanny appearance of a conventional hamburger. In 2006, another culinary revolution was introduced on Jong-il's orders in an attempt to alleviate food shortages – the breeding of giant rabbits.

10) A government website once stated that Kim Jong-il never needed to urinate or defecate. But the reference was later removed. (*Editor's note: this person now works for Fox News as a fact checker)

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14 years ago

9) In 2000, a new food "invented" by Kim Jong-il called "Gogigyeopbbang" was introduced to North Koreans. It was described as "double bread with meat", but took on the uncanny appearance of a conventional hamburger. In 2006, another culinary revolution was introduced on Jong-il's orders in an attempt to alleviate food shortages – the breeding of giant rabbits.

As fur' them giaanti rabeets...they ain't so bad wunst ya gits'em broke!

This of course, also requires massive steroid loading of the Carrots...

So Kim gets in touch with 68-year-old Karl Szmolinsky of Berlin, the world's foremost breeder of giant rabbits, and says he wants Szmolinsky to come to Pyongyang and set up a farm to breed these rabbits. For Kim believes that the meat yielded by these rabbits will end his people's starvation. [...]

Undeterred, Kim pays for 12 rabbits, at a cost of about $115 each. He tells Szmolinsky that the rabbits will be kept at a petting zoo in Pyongyang and, in a few months, Szmolinsky will be flown in to help really set up a farm for breeding.

In February of 2007, about five or six months later, Szmolinsky gets a call from a North Korean official canceling that trip. Why? Because, Szmolinsky believes, Kim couldn't resist... and ate the giant rabbits to celebrate his birthday.

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seasoned

14 years ago

200 scientists, the nations wealth, and he STILL lived a mediocre life of 69 years! HEY, lead crystal looks nice and apparently is poison!

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bailbondsguys

14 years ago

North Korea is a unique country. I somehow doubt the people will revolt and I also doubt the regime change will be less harsh on their civilians. I think this will most likely play it's course until he is overthrown for making irrational and dangerous decisions.

Also, let see what happens to the stocks for Henessey with one of it's largest importers now deceased. :p

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bravo75

14 years ago

Suppose we're going to have to un-brainwash the poor North Korean population. Which of course it completely impossible. Only one other option.

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14 years ago

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Roaddog

14 years ago

For those that haven't seen the stark difference, at night, every night...

The dark patch in the north is North Korea...the really bright lights in the south is Seoul.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

For those that haven't seen the stark difference, at night, every night...

The dark patch in the north is North Korea...the really bright lights in the south is Seoul.

Probably FOUR reasons!
1. Not much to live for/do.
2. They are paranoid that someone will attack them.
3. They probably ration power.
4. They probably have a curfew.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

For those that haven't seen the stark difference, at night, every night...

The dark patch in the north is North Korea...the really bright lights in the south is Seoul.

Every time I see that image, it amazes me; just unbelievable.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Isn't it obvious? South Korea is Hogging all the light!!

We know where Kim lives too...it's that little light patch!

That's what the other N. Koreans have been trying to tell us...Hit this! Hit this!
C'mon guys...we turned off all our lights...can we make it any easier???

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DuncanCox

14 years ago

Well it could be a great day for the North Korean people. I believe now they can rebuilt their nation.

Best Of Luck Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Richard Van 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DuncanCox

Well it could be a great day for the North Korean people. I believe now they can rebuilt their nation.

Best Of Luck Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it'll really make all the difference now that power has been passed from Father to, err, his son. :rolleyes:
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14 years ago

Let us remember the great contributions of Kim Jong Il, including fathering thousands of children (see the first video)

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14 years ago

I am hoping optimistically that the impasse between North and South Korea will come to an end now

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14 years ago

9 Kim Jong Il Parodies: (VIDEOS)

9 Kim Jong Il Parodies: Was North Korean Dictator Known Best From 'Team America'? (VIDEOS)

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Let us remember the great contributions of Kim Jong Il, including fathering thousands of children (see the first video)

After watching all those videos...I'm thinking - Hey! that's just the guy the GOP is looking for!

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill
Jim - Apparently the video has fooled the news reporters or they think they're fooling us because they seem to be reporting it like it's an amazing outpouring of grief born of true affection. They also seem to be trying to soften his image. He's no longer a dictator but the North Korean leader, among other more benign terms.

Note to self: Never, ever, ever trust the mainstream media.

The Crazy Train is now pulling into the next Despot...please check your baggage...and thanks for using North Korea Wail-ways...:rolleyes:

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seasoned

14 years ago

After seeing the tear gas comments...and why should I do that if people say money is no problem and I should pay 90%, and they won't give me a penny? I was thinking about a song over dinner and I found the video. The video is even better, because of the visuals:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

A father once told me about how he almost moved a circular saw onto his little girls leg, who ran up to him and surprised him. Luckily NEITHER was hurt, but he felt MISERABLE about what COULD have happened. He was at a point where, had she kept running, he couldn't have properly controlled the saw fast enough. Had it happened, he probably WOULD have cried like a baby. Who could say. He certainly would feel worse than he feels, and he feels BAD! That little girl is probably about 16 now.

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14 years ago

The former reign of terror is now over. Let the new reign of terror begin...

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thunderbird

14 years ago

I wonder if they'll start modeling their nation after their formerly-Communist, now much wealthier neighbors. I'll hazard that they will:
A glimpse at North Korea's Rason special economic zone - Shanghaiist

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14 years ago

TL,

I'll add just ONE thing. I would almost PREFER just guns to propaganda. N.G. and N.K., and other places had BOTH. Gun are bad, but at least you know they are there, and others may, but propaganda can be used to make people that would otherwise be good helpful friends that would die for one another believe they are enemies that want to kill one another. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In a way, it is WORSE. And it is often used to leverage guns so that one may seem like a thousand.

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Shawn Lee

14 years ago

Let's just hope his son doesn't do anything stupid...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Shawn Lee

Let's just hope his son doesn't do anything stupid...

It would be nice to think he'd be a rebellious son and turn things around -- but considering who his daddy was, he probably has been raised to view humans who are not royalty as nothing but an expendable source of wealth. I doubt that empathy training was part of his educational plan.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It would be nice to think he'd be a rebellious son and turn things around -- but considering who his daddy was, he probably has been raised to view humans who are not royalty as nothing but an expendable source of wealth. I doubt that empathy training was part of his educational plan.

You know, I am always ASTOUNDED by things like "american idol" where I think a person is a HORRIBLE.....What should I call it?..... Well, THEY might say "singer". Sometimes it is clear that at least many HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of people agree with me on that assessment. And they actually tell the judges that they will be sorry, that they are like the most talented on the planet!

I have to wonder if people like Kim Jong Il, and his son, are the political equivalent. Someone that is INCREDIBLY stupid, and inept, and lead to believe they are the EPITOME of perfection in it. ESPECIALLY since the american idol contestants may only have dozens saying they are great, and kim jong il, et al..., may have MILLIONS!

With that being said, they may actually believe that they are sent here by god to set things right, and may fight to the death.

BTW there is NO room for empathy with someone that has that mindset.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

You know, I am always ASTOUNDED by things like "american idol" where I think a person is a HORRIBLE.....What should I call it?..... Well, THEY might say "singer". Sometimes it is clear that at least many HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of people agree with me on that assessment. And they actually tell the judges that they will be sorry, that they are like the most talented on the planet!

I have to wonder if people like Kim Jong Il, and his son, are the political equivalent. Someone that is INCREDIBLY stupid, and inept, and lead to believe they are the EPITOME of perfection in it. ESPECIALLY since the american idol contestants may only have dozens saying they are great, and kim jong il, et al..., may have MILLIONS!

With that being said, they may actually believe that they are sent here by god to set things right, and may fight to the death.

BTW there is NO room for empathy with someone that has that mindset.

Steve

Steve I have no doubt that everyone in that country is brainwashed,
from Kim to the newborns.

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Steve I have no doubt that everyone in that country is brainwashed,
from Kim to the newborns.

Oh, there was NEVER a doubt about that! The thing is how far do his beliefs about the perfection of his ideas go?

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  Only if he steps out of line.
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

I have no doubt that there are lots of people in NK that are not brainwashed.

Most people know better but NK also probably has millions of voluntary homeland type spies so people have to be very, very careful of what they say, who they say it to and they even have to guard their facial expressions.

That kind of pressure has to be a bitch to live with.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I have no doubt that there are lots of people in NK that are not brainwashed.

Most people know better but NK also probably has millions of voluntary homeland type spies so people have to be very, very careful of what they say, who they say it to and they even have to guard their facial expressions.

That kind of pressure has to be a bitch to live with.

TL

Back in the early 1980s I had a friend from Hungary when it was behind the iron curtain.

He'd talk about how every day after work, he'd walk past the same security agent, and each and every time, pull out his wallet to get his ID card. This went on for years.

I asked him why the guard didn't just remember him and let him by without all the hassle. He said it was because there was probably another guy peeking out a window making sure the security agent was doing his job, and there was probably another guy with a telescope spying on the guy looking out the window watching the security agent, making sure he was doing his job.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Back in the early 1980s I had a friend from Hungary when it was behind the iron curtain.

He'd talk about how every day after work, he'd walk past the same security agent, and each and every time, pull out his wallet to get his ID card. This went on for years.

I asked him why the guard didn't just remember him and let him by without all the hassle. He said it was because there was probably another guy peeking out a window making sure the security agent was doing his job, and there was probably another guy with a telescope spying on the guy looking out the window watching the security agent, making sure he was doing his job.

Rofl...that's beginning to sound familiar....

Hell and I bet we have more agencies...they cover the alphabet pretty well these day's.
I am beginning to think I am the only one without a badge in this country,
hell even the building inspectors carry badges, believe it or not.

Of the top of me head..

FBI, CIA, NSA, ICE, DEA, SS, BP, LAPD, ATF USMS IRS...lol...forget it.fingers getting tired

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Back in the early 1980s I had a friend from Hungary when it was behind the iron curtain.

He'd talk about how every day after work, he'd walk past the same security agent, and each and every time, pull out his wallet to get his ID card. This went on for years.

I asked him why the guard didn't just remember him and let him by without all the hassle. He said it was because there was probably another guy peeking out a window making sure the security agent was doing his job, and there was probably another guy with a telescope spying on the guy looking out the window watching the security agent, making sure he was doing his job.

Diggit Kurt, it's akin to what goes on at a casino where the pit boss is watching the dealer and the floor supervisor is watching the pit boss and the eye in the sky is watching everyone.

(Isn't there someone else in the chain???)

Folks that live in repressive countries fear not only for their lives but for the lives of their family and friends.

The father of the thug in Syria would raise a whole village to send a message and I have no doubt that if the world wasn't watching - the son would be a lot more brutal.

All The Best!!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Back in the early 1980s I had a friend from Hungary when it was behind the iron curtain.

He'd talk about how every day after work, he'd walk past the same security agent, and each and every time, pull out his wallet to get his ID card. This went on for years.

I asked him why the guard didn't just remember him and let him by without all the hassle. He said it was because there was probably another guy peeking out a window making sure the security agent was doing his job, and there was probably another guy with a telescope spying on the guy looking out the window watching the security agent, making sure he was doing his job.

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14 years ago

he's a little bit dictator

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14 years ago

Ya I wonder how things will turn out now? How strange to be a country that is secluded from the rest of the world, huh?

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14 years ago

Foreigner in North Korea a witness to surreal scenes - Yahoo! News
"The aid worker who lives in the North Korean capital, and spoke to AFP on condition of anonymity, said the city is largely operating as normal but lies under the shadow of both genuine distress and stage-managed displays of grief."

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14 years ago

"Altogether now, 1, 2, 3, 4, 'Wahhha! I'm but a lowly blind maggot without your blessed guidance, oh Dear Leader, wahh. Waaahh, WAAAH!!'' One more time: 1, 2, 3, 4, 'Wahhha! I'm but a lowly blind maggot without your blessed guidance, oh Dear Leader, wahh. Waaahh, WAAAH!!'"
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"Again. This time make it LOUDER! 1, 2, 3, 4..."

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derekwong28

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

"Altogether now, 1, 2, 3, 4, 'Wahhha! I'm but a lowly blind maggot without your blessed guidance, oh Dear Leader, wahh. Waaahh, WAAAH!!'' One more time: 1, 2, 3, 4, 'Wahhha! I'm but a lowly blind maggot without your blessed guidance, oh Dear Leader, wahh. Waaahh, WAAAH!!'"
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This is what exactly happened at an eye hospital in N. Korea which was in a BBC documentary! A few days after their cataract operation, a large group of patients would be brought to a large hall in the hospital. The eye patches would then be removed. As they regained their site, they would then cry loudly and kneel in front of a portrait of Kim Il Sung and thank him profusely.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

This is what exactly happened at an eye hospital in N. Korea which was in a BBC documentary! A few days after their cataract operation, a large group of patients would be brought to a large hall in the hospital. The eye patches would then be removed. As they regained their site, they would then cry loudly and kneel in front of a portrait of Kim Il Sung and thank him profusely.

I just heard on a news program today that they had stations that did NOTHING but make IL sound lucky, etc... An example given was that he had 4 holes in one in a row.

They said that some is brainwashed, some out of fear, and some is probably stockholm syndrome. They remarked how they didn't see any actual tears.

Steve

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