Do Cold and Darkness Really Exist?

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I've read this article about an argument between the young Einstein and his professor. Though they say that this story is not proven, I would still like to hear your opinions from it. Here's the said story:

NOTE: I have cut the story due to some religious discussion.

Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"



"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.



The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody and every object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have too little heat.



The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does".



The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."



The young mans name --- Albert Einstein
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  • Profile picture of the author imagene
    Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

    I've read this article about an argument between the young Einstein and his professor. Though they say that this story is not proven, I would still like to hear your opinions from it. Here's the said story:

    NOTE: I have cut the story due to some religious discussion.
    Not many people - and there was only one Albert Einstein - would be able to comprehend let alone articulate this argument. I had a few "ahhhh" moments reading through...

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that there was religious discussion...from what little I've read of Einstein, he encouraged and had a curiosity of that which was greater than man... This is actually one of my favorite quotes..

    "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."

    Even just this snippet of the story was a great read...Mind sharing the the link to the full story?

    Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

    Damn, Einstein hurt 'em. Mr. Einstein is right though (obviously).
    Einsteins professors certainly would've had to put their A Game on when they were teaching him
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Michael - we don't put labels on things to "polarize" them. We label things to make communicating about them simple. "cold", "dark", - they are just easy ways to describe perceptions we have - and those perceptions do exist. Lack of light may not exist as the same entity that the word "dark" describes, but we do see a lack of light and so we have made a label to communicate that perception.

    We also have an inference system by which we make "bridging assumptions". These assumptions allow us to infer what someone is saying without them having to run down the whole scientific schemata every time we speak. Communication would be very difficult without these assumptions. We use this ability to translate the tags into meaning -- can you imagine having to describe the whole scientific schematic every time we wanted to say "it's cold" to be understood?
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Some people are too clever for their own good.

      At Oxford Stephen Hawking used to perplex his Professors. (Like Einstein above)

      When he did his finals he was borderline First/Second Class degree.

      At the oral examination Hawking said that if they gave him a First he would go to Cambridge for his PhD.

      If they gave him a Second he would stay at Oxford to do his PhD.

      They gave him a First.

      Dan

      PS: I don't care what they call it, it is both dark and cold outside right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

    I've read this article about an argument between the young Einstein and his professor. Though they say that this story is not proven, I would still like to hear your opinions from it. Here's the said story:

    NOTE: I have cut the story due to some religious discussion.

    Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"



    "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.



    The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody and every object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have too little heat.



    The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"

    The professor responded, "Of course it does".



    The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."



    The young mans name --- Albert Einstein
    Just based on principle alone, cold and darkness, in theory, don't exist. Let's look at the two.

    Cold is just a lack of heat. You cannot cool anything down as strange as that sounds. That's how air conditioners work. First, they take out humidity in the air which makes it cooler. Then the cool air pulls heat from the air. It "seems" to cool, but it's actually just pulling heat out of the air. Anything cold will pull heat from a surrounding source until it reaches an equilibrium to the surrounding ambient temperature. That's also why if you sleep on a cold water bed or the ground, it pulls heat from your body. This also is dangerous and can possibly kill you.

    Next, we look at darkness. Darkness is just a lack of light. Once light is not emitted anywhere nearby and cannot be reflected, there's darkness.

    So in essence, cold and dark don't exist although, semantically, you can experience dark. So philosophically and also in the case of cold, you can measure it scientifically. Neither exists on its own merit and neither are created, so to speak. So, you decide whether there is actually cold and dark.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
    The points are correct, but I rather say "It's dark" then "There's an absence of light". My wife would have me committed. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author imagene
      Originally Posted by lklein View Post

      The points are correct, but I rather say "It's dark" then "There's an absence of light". My wife would have me committed. LOL
      LOL..But then, Is it dark BECAUSE there's an absence of light {hmm, should I put a question mark or an exclamation mark}...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I disagree with Einstein. "Cold" and "dark" are just relative terms. You'd think the guy that came up with the formula for relativity would understand.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      As a matter of fact, the existence of anything truely cold and dark has never been proven conclusively. Theoretical particles such as axions were postulated but as yet undetected (possibly because they're just too cold and dark) by the Peccei–Quinn theory, also known as the Cold Dark Matter (CDM) theory. This is a massive topic, studied with great seriousness and gravity.
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  • Profile picture of the author eurekapsycrille
    So what's the bottom point?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

      So what's the bottom point?
      In relatively simple classical, or Newtonian thermodynamics:
      Bottom point for temperature - 0°K
      Bottom point for light - 0 lx
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  • Profile picture of the author dunmo
    I think the student was correct because cold exists in absence of a source of heat.
    On the other hand cold exist in the absence of light.If you look it in another way both light and heat have their sources as opposed to cold and darkness which have no sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Ask any of the homeless....they will tell you.

    Must be really nice to be able to debate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GT
    Add to the list of things that don't exist:

    . . . Time

    (It is man-made, but doesn't really exist... )

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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    That coldness is not a primary quality has been known for 100s of years.

    Imagine 3 buckets of water, one is iced-water, another is just off the boil and the third is room temperature. If Smith puts his hand in the iced-water and then in the room temperature bucket he will say the water is warm. However, if Jones puts his hand in the water that is just off the boil and then in the room temperature bucket he will say that this water is cool.

    Since the same water can not be both warm and cool at the same time 'coldness' can not be a primary quality of the water.

    Similarly, you may rub your finger against a table-top and say that it is flat however a microscopic insect will experience the same table-top as a mountain range. The same thing can't be both flat and mountainous. These qualities exist as ideas not as qualities belonging to matter.

    Sartre pointed out that when he enters a restaurant looking for Pierre (who he expects to find but doesn't because Pierre is actually at home) he experiences the absence of his friend, the nothingness. This nothingness exists, as an idea.

    The same goes for love, morality, memories, dreams, sound etc.

    Something doesn't have to be extended in space to exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author jonnyhardbaked
      Originally Posted by Kierkegaard View Post

      That coldness is not a primary quality has been known for 100s of years.

      Imagine 3 buckets of water, one is iced-water, another is just off the boil and the third is room temperature. If Smith puts his hand in the iced-water and then in the room temperature bucket he will say the water is warm. However, if Jones puts his hand in the water that is just off the boil and then in the room temperature bucket he will say that this water is cool.

      Since the same water can not be both warm and cool at the same time 'coldness' can not be a primary quality of the water.

      Similarly, you may rub your finger against a table-top and say that it is flat however a microscopic insect will experience the same table-top as a mountain range. The same thing can't be both flat and mountainous. These qualities exist as ideas not as qualities belonging to matter.

      Sartre pointed out that when he enters a restaurant looking for Pierre (who he expects to find but doesn't because Pierre is actually at home) he experiences the absence of his friend, the nothingness. This nothingness exists, as an idea.

      The same goes for love, morality, memories, dreams, sound etc.

      Something doesn't have to be extended in space to exist.

      Cool!........................
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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    I wish I could play Einstein with my professor way back then...
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    • Profile picture of the author eurekapsycrille
      Originally Posted by paul_1 View Post

      I wish I could play Einstein with my professor way back then...

      I wish I could too....
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