Which is worse? Smoking waccy baccy or drinking alcohol?

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Skunk, hashish smokers anyone?

Still smoking it or tried it in the past?

What are your thoughts about it?

For it?

Against it?

Or non plussed?

Do you think it should be legalised
or not?

Comparing it to alcohol consumption
which do you is worse, smoking waccy
baccy or drinking too much?

Opinions welcome...
#hashish #marijuana #skunk #waccy baccy #weed
  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Sorry,I don't smoke or drink.
    (Not that I probably would partake on occasion if I could,but I take so many meds that the last time I tried to even have an Irish coffee I almost passed out when I tried to stand up and the friends I was with thought they were going to have to call 911!)
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      I no longer smoke but used to. I fully support legalizing marijuana. Isn't hashish something different?

      I have seen many people get nasty, belligerent and violent when drinking. I have never seen the same from someone smoking.

      The only reason it's illegal is the whole "gateway drug" fallacy leftover from thirty years ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Of course alcohol is worse.
        Thousands of deaths every year, it causes.
        Cannabis on the other hand has yet to kill anyone.
        Been a cannabis user for over 40 years.
        Drank for about 20 years before I quit.
        Made it into the gutter on alcohol, made it to work everyday plus got a college degree on Cannabis.
        Yes Cannabis should be legal.

        Tina, Hash is the glands or trichomes from the Cannabis plant
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Actually Tina,the gateway drug argument is not a fallacy,but it really depends on the individual. There are many that can smoke a joint and never have the urge for anything else.

    Hashish is a concentrated for of the active ingredient of pot. From dictionary.com: "the dried resinous exudate of the flowering tops of this plant, containing larger amounts of the active ingredient"

    The problem is that our society,and this is largely due to <gasp> marketing, is a society of misinformation. (and the concept of it being a gateway drug goes a lot farther back than 30 years.that would make it about the 1980s, it actually goes back to the roaring 2os at least and maybe further.) Of course, in the 80's you had people consuming large amounts of both pot and cocaine at the same time,so I can see where you might think it was only 30 years ago.
    One of the biggest problems our country has right now is that the drug trade is controlled by big pharma more than anything else, and its with the governments blessing.I don't want to make this political,but without the governments approval they could not be pushing down our throats in every media outlet drugs that do more harm than good for us so they can make obscene profits.
    But that's another discussion for another time.
    I can't say I have never seen a violent pot smoker, but those that I saw get violent where doing other things along with pot.Usually liquor.
    I also think pot should be legalized and our jails emptied of those whose only (non violent) crime was smoking a joint.
    PS: I personally know someone that went from smoking pot to pain pills to heroine.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Like Kim said
      A lot of the gateway theory comes from how they collect the information, same with the addiction theory.
      For the gateway one, if you are arrested for dwi or for any type of drug use the first thing you are asked is if you ever smoked pot. Answer yes and it goes down as a gateway.
      As for addiction, that comes from the court system.
      If you are arrested and go to court for Cannabis you can face hard time in prison. But if you go in and say you are addicted, then you can get a short time in rehab. Most people will choose the rehab.
      Funny thing about that is that Cannabis has been used for years to get addicts off heroin and alcohol. G.B. was doing that with much success until the U.S. told them to stop. The reason it worked so well was because it suppressed the withdrawal symptoms and when they where through they simply stopped smoking Cannabis. As Cannabis isn't physically addictive the process worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Cigarettes and beer are the true "gateway" drugs, if you believe in that kind of thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Cigarettes and beer and the true "gateway" drugs, if you believe in that kind of thing.
      True. Except I'd say cigs and alcohol.
      As a yougin with a German father, having a glass of beer with dinner was common, as was a glass of wine after dinner.
      I was stealing wine from the jug in the garage way before I had even heard of "marijuana". I also started smoking cigs. way before I knew about Cannabis.
      With the abundance of legal pharmaceuticals in the house I was experimenting with them before Cannabis also.

      But I don't buy into any drug being a gateway drug.
      What I do buy into is some people will experiment with drugs, some won't.
      If Cannabis was a gateway drug, then all my friends (and me) should be heroin addicts by now.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Actually Kurt..........Every addict I know started out on milk. We need to free our society of milk or EVERYONE is going to be a drug addict. Don't believe me? Look at how dangerous the 2012 drug pusher has become. They even advertise on TV....you can just go into the office, pay your office visit and tell your local pusher what drug you want that you saw on TV..............and it's all due to MILK!

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Alcohol is WAY more dangerous than marijuana. When is the last time you heard about someone drinking too much & dying? It happens far too often.

    Now, think about when the last time you heard someone smoked too much & died - You've NEVER heard it because it cant happen.

    Its pretty much impossible to overdose from weed to the point where your life is in jeopardy.

    I think they need to legalize & tax it.

    Its the world's biggest cash-crop, yet America has been brainwashed into thinking its some horrible drug. Its not a drug. Its a PLANT.

    PS: Did you know that Americans used to be able to pay their taxes with hemp?

    No joke. Look it up if anyone doesnt believe me.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The fact that George Washington, our first president, used to grow it seems to have been effectively eradicated from our history books, too.

    If not for hemp being such a useful natural fiber - and a bunch of rich synthetic textile corporations not likin' that one, it would still be legal. If not for the greed of the corporate prison system who gets to use apprehended smokers for slave labor, and many officials, and pharmaceutical companies who actually profit from keeping it illegal, it would have been legalized again decades ago.

    The whole ball of wax was just one more money trap sprung on people with enough propaganda to make enough believe in the nasty little scam to cooperate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Either the original Declaration of Indepedence or the Bill of Rights was written on hemp paper...Maybe both?
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Either the original Declaration of Indepedence or the Bill of Rights was written on hemp paper...Maybe both?
      From what I've read, the final documents where written on Parchment.
      But the drafts where all written on hemp paper.
      The reason (as near as I can find) is because hemp paper then was like regular paper today. In other words it was so common, it wasn't anything special. So for special, important documents, a "fancier" type of paper was used.
      Same deal with clothing. Everyday work clothes that needed to be durable and long lasting where made from hemp. Fancy clothes, not so much.
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    I think it was both, but I'm not 100% certain. But I DO know that at least one of them was.

    I'm trying not to go into a political point of view, but its kinda hard.. I mean if they would just regulate it like any other drug (alcohol, pharmaceuticals, etc) this country's deficit would plummet.. I just dont understand what these people have against it..

    Meanwhile, kids are DYING from "synthetic marijuana" - which technically is now a felony, BUT since the chemical compounds are different in each batch, they cant make every batch illegal - they do not always have the same chemicals.. See the problem here???

    I mean wtf man
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Considering the forestry being cut down for paper now - enough to endanger the whole freaking planet, it is absolutely criminal - and even suicidal to not still be using hemp for paper. It grows back quickly unlike a tree, that can take a hundred years to reach it's full size. We could use all the paper we wanted and never endanger the ecosystems for it. People scream "lumber jobs" -- it wouldn't kill jobs - it would just change them. You need people to harvest and grow the hemp, process it, transport it, etc. so you still have jobs - plus you'd still need some wood so there would always be a lumber industry. It just wouldn't be large enough to be suicidal.
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  • I fully endorse the immediate removal of cannabis from schedule 1, and it's use as a medicinal treatment, as well as it's sponsors of regulation for recreational use and hemp for industrial use.

    I have read new material which supports new evidence that it can be used quite effectively in juicing (I'm not sure if someone here did that) and that while patients were still receiving great analgesic benefit - there is no psychoactive effect unless the cannabis is heated. This was apparently previously unknown.

    If you are interested in these findings, watch this:
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Considering the forestry being cut down for paper now - enough to endanger the whole freaking planet, it is absolutely criminal - and even suicidal to not still be using hemp for paper. It grows back quickly unlike a tree, that can take a hundred years to reach it's full size. We could use all the paper we wanted and never endanger the ecosystems for it. People scream "lumber jobs" -- it wouldn't kill jobs - it would just change them. You need people to harvest and grow the hemp, process it, transport it, etc. so you still have jobs - plus you'd still need some wood so there would always be a lumber industry. It just wouldn't be large enough to be suicidal.
      The irony there is,making it illegal all started with timber and paper.
      The amount of pollution would be cut also. There's a laundry list of chemicals used to turn wood pulp into paper, with hemp there's one. Hydrogen Peroxide(sp) to bleach it white.
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      I fully endorse the immediate removal of cannabis from schedule 1, and it's use as a medicinal treatment, as well as it's sponsors of regulation for recreational use and hemp for industrial use.

      I have read new material which supports new evidence that it can be used quite effectively in juicing (I'm not sure if someone here did that) and that while patients were still receiving great analgesic benefit - there is no psychoactive effect unless the cannabis is heated. This was apparently previously unknown.

      If you are interested in these findings, watch this:
      Leaf - The Medicinal benefits of juicing cannabis | Cannabis N.I.

      Removal of cannabis from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      3M I didn't go to either link, but I've known about the juicing for a little while now. I've been studying Cannabis for many years and I'm still amazed at the benefits that come from it.
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      • Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        The irony there is,making it illegal all started with timber and paper.
        The amount of pollution would be cut also. There's a laundry list of chemicals used to turn wood pulp into paper, with hemp there's one. Hydrogen Peroxide(sp) to bleach it white.

        3M I didn't go to either link, but I've known about the juicing for a little while now. I've been studying Cannabis for many years and I'm still amazed at the benefits that come from it.
        I had not considered the juicing of this plant until I saw that story about using oil for treatment...or that it's raw consumption could be of that an amazing benefit. Though I also admit I had no idea the psychoactive effects of the plant were only attained through heating - (which, let's face it - is what was happening most of the time) this is an important consideration to be taken into account when arguing it's usage. The opposition has relied primarily on the psychoactive argument.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          I had not considered the juicing of this plant until I saw that story about using oil for treatment...or that it's raw consumption could be of that an amazing benefit. Though I also admit I had no idea the psychoactive effects of the plant were only attained through heating - (which, let's face it - is what was happening most of the time) this is an important consideration to be taken into account when arguing it's usage. The opposition has relied primarily on the psychoactive argument.
          Oils and tinctures I've known about for a long time. Tinctures are very easy to make. Oils are a little more difficult.
          Even though the number of medical uses for Cannabis is growing daily, I think we are only just scratching the surface on its benefits.
          I checked out the first link and that is the same video I saw.
          That's one of the best videos I've seen in a long time.
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          • Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Oils and tinctures I've known about for a long time. Tinctures are very easy to make. Oils are a little more difficult.
            Even though the number of medical uses for Cannabis is growing daily, I think we are only just scratching the surface on its benefits.
            I checked out the first link and that is the same video I saw.
            That's one of the best videos I've seen in a long time.
            I wholeheartedly agree anyone interested should watch that video - an excellent case study.

            I had always associated oils and tinctures of this kind to be processed by heat, which makes them essentially the reason it is not legal - the process of juicing does not fit the definition but still is medicinal.

            In that respect, they could only argue the plant might be misused, but many other legal substances can be used improperly...I guess my question is (playing devil's advocate) can juice be heated and still produce the other undesired effect once the cellular structure has been mashed into juice...not fully understanding the chemistry, maybe, I don't know.

            (kind of getting off the subject, but this is for Thom...I was trying to buy a new btl. of ACV at the store the other day...and all I can find is clear filtered - not as good as "mom" makes?)
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

              I wholeheartedly agree anyone interested should watch that video - an excellent case study.

              I had always associated oils and tinctures of this kind to be processed by heat, which makes them essentially the reason it is not legal - the process of juicing does not fit the definition but still is medicinal.

              In that respect, they could only argue the plant might be misused, but many other legal substances can be used improperly...I guess my question is (playing devil's advocate) can juice be heated and still produce the other undesired effect once the cellular structure has been mashed into juice...not fully understanding the chemistry, maybe, I don't know.

              (kind of getting off the subject, but this is for Thom...I was trying to buy a new btl. of ACV at the store the other day...and all I can find is clear filtered - not as good as "mom" makes?)
              As for heating the juice, maybe. But it would also defeat the purpose that in was intended for, changing cannabinoid structures and all that.
              Keep in mind that in addition to heat, aging changes the structure also.
              Not to mention it wouldn't be very economical to juice a plant with the intention of getting high.
              As for oils and tinctures, the processes used normally involve heat or even with cold extractions the medium used to extract the cannabiniods will activate the THC.
              Try the link Kim put in. Clear filtered won't do the trick
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Mark, thanks for reminding me I have some stuff to smo.. err, to do.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Mark, thanks for reminding me I have some stuff to smo.. err, to do.

      Decriminalizing Drugs in Portugal a Success, Says Report - TIME

      Portugal teaching it how it's done.
      Hello Fernando, good to see you again, missed you, I've often wondered how you are of late and what you were up to.

      Portugal of course - I'll be down your way in the van in a few months time, how about meeting up for a cup of 'tea'?

      Not ashamed to admit I've been smoking the stuff for years. Last one I had was last night as I usually do just before going to bed. Usually just a single skinner mixed with some hand rolling baccy. Just a tiny sprinkling is enough to relax me to drift off into sleep almost immediately.

      Alcohol - I hardly ever touch it. Last drink I had was on news years eve I think and before that sometime in September.

      Tina... hashish comes in many forms, in this part of Europe most of it imported from Morocco in north west Africa, across the Gibraltar Strait into Spain and from there to the rest of Europe.

      A good ducumentary about hash can be found here...


      Or, if you speak and understand German this is a very good documentary from Daniel Grabner...

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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        Hello Fernando, good to see you again, missed you, I've often wondered how you are of late and what you were up to.

        Portugal of course - I'll be down your way in the van in a few months time, how about meeting up for a cup of 'tea'?
        Heya Mark

        Of course! Do you have plans to visit Peniche area? Or you're going directly south?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Peniche area? Never heard of it in my life lol. Can do, why not? I've got 12 months set aside to travel Europe in the stealth camper van. With my tiny little office in the back.

          I don't really care where I go as long as the scenery is good and the women gorgeous.

          Plan is to first spend a few weeks here in the UK, maybe go up to Cumbria 450 miles away, then up to Scotland, down to the Norfolk Broads, from there down to Kent for the Dover / Dunkirk ferry crossing. Then...

          South west towards Vannes on the west coast of France, down towards Biarritz and up into the Pyrenees mountain range and of course Andorra, then down the other side through the Basque Country to wind up as many ETA terrorists as possible lol. On westwards just to the other side of Santander in northern Spain then up into the Picos de Europa where I'll spend a week or two, over to Galicia in north western Spain before dropping down into Portugal.

          Guessing here but I'll probably be in Portugal some time in mid to late June. I'm in no rush. Let me rephrase that...

          I'm not about rushing all over the place whacking in hundreds of miles per day. I've got 12 months set aside for the road trip, so I'll likely be doing no more than about 20-25 miles per day, just enough to recharge the spare leisure batteries en route.

          Of course, if you've got a very tall, stunning brunette lass just dying to bed me there, I could make it quicker lol.

          Send me an email Fernando please.

          Cheers!


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          • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
            Mark,

            Of course, if you've got a very tall, stunning brunette lass just dying to bed me there, I could make it quicker lol.
            No need to hurry up then - see ya mid summer

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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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              I'd rather come slow and steady rather than fast and furious is basically what I mean Fernando.

              Not sure if the old ticker would take it these days if I upped the pace too much.


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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    If you go to the bragg acv site they can locate a store near you that sells it (if there are any near you.)
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  • Thanks Kim -
    I'm guessing the filtered is no where near the stuff with "mother" love in it - I'm curious why no one was carrying any at all that was unfiltered...I'll look for that Bragg brand.
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  • Thanks for the tip on ACV -
    also, as for even with cold extractions the medium used to extract the cannabiniods will activate the THC. - curious...(purely from a scientific application standpoint, of course)
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Thanks for the tip on ACV -
      also, as for even with cold extractions the medium used to extract the cannabiniods will activate the THC. - curious...(purely from a scientific application standpoint, of course)
      Keep in mind I could be wrong, so I would still do the research on that
      I still devour a ton of info on Cannabis every day and sometimes get it a little mixed up. For example it could be the method and not the medium or both that activates the THC.
      Here's a video I just found today.
      It's about a study that was done in Jamaica on the effects of woman smoking Cannabis while pregnant and the effects on the children. It also mentions how they eat raw Cannabis as a food source.
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    Pot will just make you mellow out.

    I've never known anyone want to fight while smoking pot like alcohol will do to a lot of people. When a lot of people are drinking, someone always wants to fight, lol.
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    The whole thing is actually pretty hilarious...I'm especially fond of the "when 80 miles an hour seem only 20...they often leave a trail of fatal accidents in their wake" paragraph...
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      "A user of marijuana is a degenerate"
      Sad some people still believe that crap.
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      • Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        "A user of marijuana is a degenerate"
        Sad some people still believe that crap.
        That one is bad, true...but I was referring to "Sponsored By:"

        The bottom bottom line...

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        • Profile picture of the author noranorma101
          Hi! I am not smoker and i hate to smoking so i think smoking is bad thing even in any format its is not good for Health its only have bad and dangerous effects on Health So we Should need to Finish it from our Society.
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          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          That one is bad, true...but I was referring to "Sponsored By:"

          The bottom bottom line...

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          I missed that one
          Though not surprised.
          I like the new Budweiser commercials myself.
          Every time they say "grab some bud", well, I do.:rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Ask any Football hooligan over here if he fancies a fight more after several beers or just one fat joint and you realise booze causes more fighting.

            Not saying weed is good for you but from personal experience I've never had a fight after smoking but I can attest to having quite a few after several beers, often not my fault but plenty all the same...and in my younger days I might add.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpboxersox
    I would image Ganja being more natural and safer. I would think Ganja doesn't mess with your insides...maybe your brain-cells. Alcohol on the other hand is a mess especially if you are an alcoholic. It first affects your liver by first getting a fatty liver, then scaring of the liver and then cirrhosis. I had a family member die of alcohol consumption overtime I stay away as I am athletic
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    First I would like to apologize because I hate ignorance and that includes people who will make blanket statements about something they know nothing about - have not personally experienced or at least been in close proximity long enough to make a real judgment.

    In my opinion they should just shut up so people don't know how ignorant they are.

    I have known so many drinkers, smokers and drug addicts. I have seen so many drinkers and druggies destroy their lives and even die.

    I have never seen a pot smoker do anything violent or weird or that was harmed by smoking. As a whole they are sweet and funny people who are peace loving. I have never seen where they became drug addicts even after decades of smoking pot.

    As far as THC which is much better (even more peaceful and natural) in powder form, (very rare/expensive process) - I truly believe that if it was pumped into the water supply we would have no violence and no war for any reason.

    I think it is criminal that it is a crime to smoke, grow or possess pot. It should be legal mostly to put the cartels that are violent criminals out of business and to keep innocent people out of jail and out of danger.

    No amount of rationalizing will ever make me feel any differently. If alcohol, harmful drugs and cigarettes are legal there is absolutely no good or fair reason why pot is illegal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'd say alcohol is more dangerous. Friday night a local college student was celebrating his 21st birthday at the bars and left about 1:15 AM to walk home. They found him at the bottom of the river yesterday morning, just two blocks from the bar.

    About a month ago a local adult decided to go for a walk after a night of drinking. He was seen wandering around miles from his home, then disappeared. They still haven't found him.

    Getting stoned on pot might make a person paranoid, but getting stoned on alcohol makes some people deathly stupid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wotz
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    Addiction to alcohol and smoking can kill a person. But I think the effect of smoking is worse. The smoker not only kills himself/herself, but everyone around him who were unlucky enough to "smoke" his smoke.

    I used to smoke. Then I have kids. So I stopped.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      You don't just have to smoke it. You can take it in in any one of a number of ways including sprinkling a little hashish or bud into a yoghurt or into a cake, whatever floats your boat.

      The effects are the same.


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      Originally Posted by rockitonline View Post

      Smoking is worse than drinking
      How? Do you want to provide some statistics to give your claim some credibility?

      How is taking in marijuana more dangeros than drinking alcohol?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    It is hard to overdose on weed. But you can die from alcohol poisoning if you drink too much.

    -Chris
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  • (2007 - cause of death - alcohol) "In 2007, a total of 23,199 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States, 1,126 more deaths than in 2006."* (not vehicle or accident related)

    Statistcs from: http://drugwarfacts.org
    (*Frankly, the statistics vary widely due to cause, all are well into the thousands.)
    I don't have time to research, this is just plucked from the source listed above.

    Show me one case where someone has died from abuse or an overdose of marijuana. Just one.
    (in source listed above, I could not find one)

    Note: I am not encouraging the use of either substance, just the decriminalization of the latter.
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  • Profile picture of the author orb
    I think the damage to your health from smoking is minimal at best and can be avoided completely with pill form, edible or vaporizer. Alcohol, tabbaco and pharmaceutical drugs are much much more damaging to your health. Also I believe marijuana isn't just for fun but can be used as a tool to evaluate yourself and life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    I'm against “marijuana” for several reasons. (Mainly the link to mental health problems.) Although I'm not going to get into a big debate about it this time. (Hi Thom.)

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. : )
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      I'm against "marijuana" for several reasons. (Mainly the link to mental health problems.) Although I'm not going to get into a big debate about it this time. (Hi Thom.)

      Everyone is entitled to their opinion. : )
      If I remember right, we agreed to disagree on that one
      Still one of the best conversations I've had here on the subject.
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      I'm against "marijuana" for several reasons. (Mainly the link to mental health problems.) Although I'm not going to get into a big debate about it this time. (Hi Thom.)

      Everyone is entitled to their opinion. : )
      There SHOULD be a link to mental health problems. The treatment end at least.
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    • Profile picture of the author JoeUK
      I'm neither a smoker or a drinker but yikes, alcohol for sure!

      It's my understanding that any 'side effects' from smoking cannabis come from the oil based crap that has been added during the 'manufacture' process, instead of from the actual plant itself.

      This video says it all for me...

      http://youtu.be/hMM_T_PJ0Rs
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by JoeUK View Post

        I'm neither a smoker or a drinker but yikes, alcohol for sure!

        It's my understanding that any 'side effects' from smoking cannabis come from the oil based crap that has been added during the 'manufacture' process, instead of from the actual plant itself.

        This video says it all for me...

        http://youtu.be/hMM_T_PJ0Rs
        First you do realise that video is pro legalization, right?
        Second, Cannabis isn't manufactured, alcohol is.
        There aren't any "oil based crap" added to it at any time.
        The plant is grown, harvested, dried, and that's it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Depends what it is Thom. Hash can have all sorts of things added to it, even boot polish isn't unheard of.

          Hashish actually covers like skunk many different varieties from the bog standard cheap and nasty to the finest flakiest Afghani cream possible, with everything else in between. At the cheaper end of the market though, it's not uncommon to have certain 'additives' mixed in (unfortunately).
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

            Depends what it is Thom. Hash can have all sorts of things added to it, even boot polish isn't unheard of.

            Hashish actually covers like skunk many different varieties from the bog standard cheap and nasty to the finest flakiest Afghani cream possible, with everything else in between. At the cheaper end of the market though, it's not uncommon to have certain 'additives' mixed in (unfortunately).
            Mark in 40+ years the only thing I have ever seen mixed in hash was opium
            But things may be different on that side of the pond.
            The quality of the hash is determined by the strain of Cannabis it was made from. In countries like Afghanistan, Turkey, Morocco, etc. they have developed strains specifically for making hash. These are primarily pure Indicas and many are 'landrace' or strains that have developed naturally in that area. The methods of removing the glands from the plants varies from country to country with new methods coming about all the time like water hash where the glads are removed from the bud using ice water. Traditionally farmers would walk through their fields wearing special clothing that the glands would stick to and scrape the clothing. Then the glands are pressed under low heat to form blocks.
            Also we now have what is called scissor hash which is simply the glads collected on the scissors from manicuring and then pressed in a small press.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Mark in 40+ years the only thing I have ever seen mixed in hash was opium
              We called them Temple Balls.
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              • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                Canadians have come very close to legalizing marijuana, but now our current *cough* leader would have us go back 50 years in time...but I digress...

                I am seriously considering moving to Europe. Most Europeans get it, they are not so uptight and paranoid as many North Americans are.

                I've had some very unhappy times dealing with alcoholics in my life. I've never had serious problems with my pot-smoking friends. In fact, we tend to create more artistic endeavours. We are the poets, the musicians, the geeks who like to code after smoking a thin one. We are the thinkers. Most people who smoke recreational pot are like that.

                I believe it should be legalized. I think all drugs should be decriminalized, because right now your children, and even adults, are more in danger of dying from PRESCRIPTION drugs than any other substances.

                Canada recently banned OxyContin. It has now been replaced by OxyNeo, which can't be crushed, and what the Pharma believes is less likely to be used by addicts. (yeah, right!) It's still the same crap.

                We have less ads on TV about the dangers of M.J. and more ads about prescription drugs, because the problems are more severe.

                We only have to see how it's recently taken away so many of our very public persona's: the Whitneys, the Heaths, the MJs, Amy Winehouse, the list is endless.

                There are many unknowns who are dying from prescription drugs, and big Pharma are rubbing their hands in glee 'cause they're making money hand over fist!

                The war on drugs is the most hypocritical so-called "war" ever created.

                I mean, really - wake up, people!

                marijuana is the least of your worries.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Karen your drug policy as is most of the worlds, is based on US trade agreements and the UN resolutions that define Cannabis as a dangerous drug with no medical value.
                  That's why Portugal only decriminalised and didn't take the last step to legalise. In their trade agreements with the US if they legalised we would institute trade sanctions against them.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    Karen your drug policy as is most of the worlds, is based on US trade agreements and the UN resolutions that define Cannabis as a dangerous drug with no medical value.
                    That's why Portugal only decriminalised and didn't take the last step to legalise. In their trade agreements with the US if they legalised we would institute trade sanctions against them.

                    oh I get it, only too well.

                    enough said...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    That's true, Dave. I have a friend with severe anxiety disorder. She almost committed suicide when taking all those nice little pharms for it. Now she uses pot - both smokes and cooks with it and she is able to function pretty normally.

    Of course pot helps people who have problems. We need to really address the issue of people with problems with a strong hand. If we feed em pharms we can just get rid of them so they aren't suckin' up the resources --- RIGHT? :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      If we feed em pharms we can just get rid of them so they aren't suckin' up the resources --- RIGHT? :rolleyes:
      ...but not before squeezing out every ounce of OUR financial resources.

      Yep...I've about come to the conclusion that, that's the point.
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        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        ...but not before squeezing out every ounce of OUR financial resources.

        Yep...I've about come to the conclusion that, that's the point.
        That's no lie. Our medical community is bleeding every cent out of people's inheritance funds before they finally just tell them, we can't do any more and let em die. They will continue to control the disease until someone is out of funding, then they let them die. Wonderful medical/industrial complex the elite have set up for us. If you split up their yearly profits between everyone in the US, within a few years everyone in the country would be independently wealthy. Same with all taxes - split up the billions they are getting amongst the people. Let them decide what they want to pay for - roads, schools, etc. They'd have the money to do it and we'd end up only paying for things we value.

        Won't happen. It's not fun for the elite to be rich if everyone else can have what they want and need, too. Where's the power in it? They'd rather kill for their bucks. Bunch of vampires. We need wooden stakes and hammers against those things - they seriously can't be human.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      That's true, Dave. I have a friend with severe anxiety disorder. She almost committed suicide when taking all those nice little pharms for it. Now she uses pot - both smokes and cooks with it and she is able to function pretty normally.

      Of course pot helps people who have problems. We need to really address the issue of people with problems with a strong hand. If we feed em pharms we can just get rid of them so they aren't suckin' up the resources --- RIGHT? :rolleyes:
      Very true, it has calmed my ass down whenever I'm agitated. I don't do it constantly (or regularly), but I really do function better with occasional use.

      Alcohol, on the other hand, well... much as I enjoy occasionally getting drunk as well, there HAVE been negative consequences whenever I'd gone too far. The chances of losing control are a lot higher, so I have to be more careful.
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  • Yeah - used in moderation, I can see how mental health can be affected...

    I guess that's why Sigmund Freud went a little crazy...Arthur Conan Doyle didn't have a clue -
    And Steve Jobs couldn't get the job done...
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  • This cracks me up...but how can you argue with this? :rolleyes:

    Pat Robertson Calls For Relaxed Marijuana Possession Laws

    Pat Robertson Calls For Relaxed Marijuana Possession Laws

    (this isn't one of those "signs of the Apocolypse" or anything - is it?)

    "I just think it's shocking how many of these young people wind up in prison and they get turned into hardcore criminals because they had a possession of a very small amount of controlled substance. The whole thing is crazy. We've said, 'we're conservative, we're tough on crime.' That's baloney. It's costing us billions and billions of dollars."

    Robertson blamed left-wing lawmakers for the harsh sanctions.
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  • Profile picture of the author saeryang
    For me, smoking waccy baccy is much worse.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      As with many things in life, there is a balance.

      You see plenty of younger folks, perhaps due to peer pressure etc will smoke one massively loaded joint after another to end up in a comatose state. And they wonder why after several months abusing their mental faculties in this way that they end up with some sort of mental health problems, psychosis, paranoia etc.

      It's all about moderation, just as it is with drinking. Do too much too quickly and rather than benefiting you, the substance (whatever it is) will come back to bite you in the ass if you do too much too quickly.

      Which is why I tend to smoke truly tiny amounts. About as much as most people would put into a very small pipe, in a single spliff.

      I'm guessing here but most younger and dare I say it 'wilder' folks would baulk in derision at the very tiny amount I put into each one. Put it this way, I can make an 1/8th last about 6-8 weeks the same amount many youngsters would go through usually just in a single morning.

      As I said, it's all about moderation, knowing your limits.

      If you're careful and use anything in life sensibly there is no need for it to become something bordering on an addiction. Not that cannabis is addictive, not in that sense although some obviously do build up a dependence on it as an escape from the worries and problems in their lives.

      The biggest thing I get high on is life itself - I think it's truly wonderful and too often taken completely for granted.

      What do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      You want to watch a good film about cannabis?

      This was set in Cornwall, my home county, it's called Saving Grace and is a hellishly funny comedy with a beauty storyline...

      Saving Grace


      Plot

      Prim and proper housewife Grace Trevethyn finds herself unexpectedly widowed, in dire financial straits when she inherits massive debts that her late husband had been accruing for years, and faced with losing her house. She decides to use her talent for horticulture, and hatches a plan to grow potent marijuana which can be sold at an astronomical price, thus solving her financial crisis. Grace and her gardener's efforts to hide their illegal enterprise from the quaint and curious townsfolk and market their product compose the remainder of the film.

      Saving Grace (2000 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Watch the rest of the film, you'll love it!


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  • The effects of smoking have been known to cause short term memory loss...:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    i use to be wild and crazy and mix my waccy baccy in my ale and then scull it.

    Those days are now over, and I am a little older and wiser i think. LOL. thank god.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    From the Portuguese experience, I can honestly say this:

    In the 80's and 90's there were a lot of people doing hard drugs, like cocaine, and heroine. Since the Portuguese governement decided it was legal to own and smoke marijuana there has been a decline of hard drug consumers - and weed smokers stayed the same.

    The big difference is, teenagers used to try hard stuff -now, and since it's legal, they just smoke some joints and thats it. But the alcohol problem is getting bigger in here - teens get all boozed almost every week, even kids with 15-17 years old.
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    I'm a 70's baby and my parents named me Halcyon...need I say more?

    If you ever want a good laugh and to be reminded of just how powerful yet dumb a propaganda machine can be, watch Reefer Madness. It's an old B&W and you can catch it on Netflix.

    Reefer Madness has been credited with starting the whole "Weed is Bad" mentality in the US. Now if you really want to laugh, indulge in some waccy baccy and then watch Reefer Madness. Let the Good Times Roll.
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  • You only need to watch the introduction (first 10 minutes) of 'Reefer Madness' to see where this is going...when they allude that marijuana is more dangerous than heroin, opium, or cocaine...and can only lead to insanity....it is a hilarious movie in it's attempt to be serious.

    This one is almost even funnier..."Assassin of Youth"
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  • Profile picture of the author Jere Kuisma
    I agree that cannabis often is a gateway drug to worse ones but I am 100% confident that cannabis would be WAY less of a gateway drug if it was legal.

    If you do cannabis you are already obtaining it illegally, smoking it illegally and in general doing something illegal. This makes it far more easy to move to other drugs as you are already doing an illegal thing, so there is no barriers between moving to other drugs.

    While if cannabis was legal, it would be a huge barrier for most to move into illegal drugs and face the fear of getting caught, when you could just do cannabis and have nothing to worry about. Obviously making cannabis legal would raise the amount of users, but so what? It is not dangerous and almost never does any harm to other people or the society. It always makes me angry when people use the argument "legalizing cannabis would grow the amount of users" assuming that this would be something so bad and terrible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by Quahas View Post


      If you do cannabis you are already obtaining it illegally, smoking it illegally and in general doing something illegal. This makes it far more easy to move to other drugs as you are already doing an illegal thing, so there is no barriers between moving to other drugs.
      Piffle. So you're saying the next logical step from myself smoking cannabis is to start thinking about taking other harder drugs? That's a bit of a jump you've got going on there - emotionally -- I'm fascinated why and how you can make this massive leap tarnishing everyone with the same brush?

      Really? You seriously believe that?

      Then go for it. Come again...

      First, what I do with my body is completely up to me as long as I harm no one else. What I want to do in my spare time, smoking a joint now and again is also completely up to me. It's not for you or anyone else to tell me what I should or should not be doing at my age.

      I mean if you want to carry your argument to it's next logical conclusion...

      Take chocolate. Do you enjoy the stuff? Love eating it?

      Do you even think about the child slave labor which often goes into the start of the manufacturing process of creating your cheap chocolate which you buy off the shelf? No, I thought not. But are you going to stop eating chocolate now you know different? Exactly.

      Take the clothes you wear next. Half the clothing on your body more than likely comes from sweatshops in India and the far east. Many of these sweatshops also employ child slave labor. The working conditions are often appalling and the hours worked tortuously long.

      So, what are you going to do about it? Sit there and be a comfortable armchair critic of everyone else who smokes cannabis whilst on the other hand... inadvertently supporting child slave labor elsewhere in the world through the products you buy every day?

      How does that one work?

      Pray, do tell me. I'd love to read your opinion how you justify one whilst condeming the other. Pot kettle black much?

      It's not for the government to tell me what I can do in my own home which I've paid for out of my taxable income.

      What I want to do whilst sitting in my living room isn't up to them, my life does not belong to them.

      Legally sure, they've got the whole system tied up, just look at your birth certificate etc and perhaps do a little research into marine admiralty law. The government likes to think they own all of us but I say, "Screw the bloody government and their stupid laws."

      Because that is precisely what some of their laws are. They defy commonsense, they defy reason, they make no sense in the real world to the common ordinary wo/man in the street. Far from it.

      All they're interested in is protecting big business and it's their demands that they jump to.

      It's funny, we've made it legal to sanction and bomb countries to smithereens all in the name of peace, yet... a peace loving old hippy for example can't even smoke a joint in his own home listening to Bob Marley and The Wailers without the government interfering coming down on him like a ton of bricks.

      Meanwhile...

      A million women and kids are killed in an illegal war and precisely nothing is done about it for the worst crimes against humanity possible.

      The world as we know it obviously hasn't been created equal.

      And people wonder why other people get mad with the powers that be sometimes. I mean hello, knocking on wood for brains, it's not exactly rocket science is it?

      You may reply now Quahas...


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      • Profile picture of the author Jere Kuisma
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        Piffle. So you're saying the next logical step from myself smoking cannabis is to start thinking about taking other harder drugs? That's a bit of a jump you've got going on there - emotionally -- I'm fascinated why and how you can make this massive leap tarnishing everyone with the same brush?

        Mark Andrews
        I definitely didn't mean that this would apply to everyone, as I know it certainly doesn't. It was just one point which I think often applies to people that DO move to harder drugs. Those people would've had a lot bigger barrier if they weren't already doing illegal drugs (assuming they first only did cannabis) and if they could just stay on cannabis, which in the case of legalization would be easy to obtain and easy to stay on.

        I absolutely know that most don't have any intention of moving to harder drugs, even if they are already doing a illegal drug, meaning cannabis. My point was that those who do move to harder ones, might not move if cannabis was legal, or at least the percent would be lower.
        So, what are you going to do about it? Sit there and be a comfortable armchair critic of everyone else who smokes cannabis whilst on the other hand... inadvertently supporting child slave labor elsewhere in the world through the products you buy every day?
        I never meant to critic cannabis smokers. I don't see anything wrong with doing cannabis simply because it is not dangerous for others or the society. I totally agree with your point that one should be able to do whatever he wants as long as it's not damaging others.

        I'm not going to grab on your other arguments as I think you understood me wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Fair enough, we're all entitled to an opinion and thank you for providing yours.

          Top of the day to you.


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          • Profile picture of the author Jere Kuisma
            Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

            Fair enough, we're all entitled to an opinion and thank you for providing yours.

            Top of the day to you.


            Mark Andrews
            Does that mean that you disagree with my opinion? That it would be far less of a barrier to move between legal and illegal drugs, than moving from illegal to another illegal.

            I'd like to hear what makes you disagree with this, as I think it makes perfect sense.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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              Originally Posted by Quahas View Post

              Does that mean that you disagree with my opinion? That it would be far less of a barrier to move between legal and illegal drugs, than moving from illegal to another illegal.

              I'd like to hear what makes you disagree with this, as I think it makes perfect sense.
              I was thanking you for your opinion.


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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Here's another good article.
                Seems that instead of causing mental problems like some would want you to believe, that it can be used to cure those problems.
                Cannabinoid 2 receptors regulate impulsive behavior
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  • Exclusive: Why Can’t You Smoke Pot? Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off of the War on Drugs

    John Lovell is a lobbyist who makes a lot of money from making sure you can’t smoke a joint. That’s his job. He’s a lobbyist for the police unions in Sacramento, and he is a driving force behind grabbing Federal dollars to shut down the California marijuana industry.

    Lovell managed the opposition campaign against Prop 19. He told Time Magazine that he was pushing against the initiative because, “the last thing we need is yet another mind-altering substance to be legalized.”

    But Republic Report reviewed lobbying contracts during the Prop 19 fight, and found that Lovell’s firm was paid over $386,350 from a wide array of police unions, including the California Police Chiefs Association.

    While Lovell may contend that he sincerely opposes the idea of marijuana legalization, he has constructed an entire business model predicated on pot prohibition.

    The Federal anti-marijuana honeypot might have dried up if Prop 19 had passed. Legalizing marijuana would have generated billions in tax revenue for the state of California, while also reducing victimless crime prosecutions. But for lobbyists like Lovell, legalization was a direct assault on hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential fees for helping to solicit taxpayer money for his clients.

    To read more:Exclusive: Why Can’t You Smoke Pot? Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off of the War on Drugs - Republic Report
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    I read that earlier 3M
    Here's another one for you.
    Science Says: Lungs Love Weed
    I've been a heavy cig smoker for years, yet every time I've had a Pulmonary Function test done the results always show that I have strong healthy lungs. Naturally I always tell the doctors it's because I smoke Cannabis on a daily basis. Now there is proof to back up my claim
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      How about if we ask the same question (title of the thread) with the knowledge that eating resin gives an effective high too?

      The only argument therefore would be mental health and alcohol has more of a negative effect on that in my opinion, certainly from a depression standpoint.

      If it's the method of ingestion used as the point of argument to deem the safety of a substance, then alcohol can cause blindness - mostly to those who take straight shots through the eyeballs and cofee can kill instantly if you inject it into the jugular..


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    Using both over a long period of time, I.E years and years will have a negative impact on your health if used on a regular basis, such as every day.

    Drinking your likely to lose control if you drink too much, smoking your only likely to be sick if you smoke too much lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    Personally I'm not going to intentionally use something that's going to impede my mind. Also, I've been told about some of the effects seen in long term users of marijuana. In this case it was with those who had been cut off. They looked messed up, were more prone to aggression, just not a good condition to be in overall.

    I suspect that if we got more facts and less fact twisting more people would think twice about using it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      Personally I'm not going to intentionally use something that's going to impede my mind.
      do you drink alcohol? Take prescription drugs?

      both?

      do you watch a lot of TV?


      if you answer yes to any of the above, you've already impeded your mind
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    And also, those who say that no one's ever died from marijuana? What about the idiots who drive while under the influence of it? How many crashes have been caused by them?
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    • Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      And also, those who say that no one's ever died from marijuana? What about the idiots who drive while under the influence of it? How many crashes have been caused by them?
      I used statistics specifically unrelated to automobile accidents and stated so. You are as likely to have an auto accident driving impaired under the influence of any substance, or texting while driving.

      I was made to watch a video once in a class that showed the effects of driving under the influence of alcohol. The test subjects drove on a coned course, and were rated sober and increasingly impaired until legally intoxicated .08 -

      Subject one started out sober with no errors (0) and ended with a minus 8 when completed.

      Subject two started out sober with 8 errors, and ended with minus 16 when completed.

      I argued to the instructor, I would rather have subject one on the road driving impaired - than subject two sober, because his skills overall are much more acute -

      He disagreed because his motive was to point out the hazards of driving while impaired, and that her reaction time sober is more acute. I argued subject two is much more dangerous in any condition, and more likely to cause an accident...and that subject one's skill-set applies in his reaction time.

      And of course, I agree neither subject should drive while impaired - but if you had to choose...which subject would you pick?

      What is your opinion?
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      • Profile picture of the author InWait
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        I used statistics specifically unrelated to automobile accidents and stated so.
        I didn't read through the thread.

        Which subject would I pick? The one who isn't impaired in any situation. If it's just a matter of a driver not being very good there's remedies for that.

        Then there's the dumb*** drivers, such as one I just encountered a few minutes ago as I had to leave for a short period. I live in a gated community (no real purpose behind the gates, but whatever). Someone was exiting through the entrance. Instead of leaving room to let me through, they actually aimed their car at mine with already very little space between us and started going. I had to go into reverse pretty quickly. Their windshield was also tinted very dark, probably more so than is legally allowed here, so I couldn't get a good look at the driver and his/her passenger.

        With people like that behind the wheel, who needs impaired drivers?
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        • Originally Posted by InWait View Post

          I didn't read through the thread.

          Which subject would I pick? The one who isn't impaired in any situation. If it's just a matter of a driver not being very good there's remedies for that.

          Then there's the dumb*** drivers, such as one I just encountered a few minutes ago as I had to leave for a short period. I live in a gated community (no real purpose behind the gates, but whatever). Someone was exiting through the entrance. Instead of leaving room to let me through, they actually aimed their car at mine with already very little space between us and started going. I had to go into reverse pretty quickly. Their windshield was also tinted very dark, probably more so than is legally allowed here, so I couldn't get a good look at the driver and his/her passenger.

          With people like that behind the wheel, who needs impaired drivers?
          Exactly. Their initial impairment is not having practiced safe and skilled driving in the first place. This is in-itself bad judgement, and poses a danger as well. We all see it everyday. Every driver needs to be focused and capable of safe driving.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      And also, those who say that no one's ever died from marijuana? What about the idiots who drive while under the influence of it? How many crashes have been caused by them?
      Actuallyfar less then you think.
      Why Medical Marijuana Laws Reduce Traffic Deaths | Healthland | TIME.com
      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...driving-drunk/

      Personally I'm not going to intentionally use something that's going to impede my mind. Also, I've been told about some of the effects seen in long term users of marijuana. In this case it was with those who had been cut off. They looked messed up, were more prone to aggression, just not a good condition to be in overall.

      I suspect that if we got more facts and less fact twisting more people would think twice about using it.
      Drinking alcohol will impede your mind, if you read any of the links here you'd find that Cannabis heals the mind.
      Go by the facts and not what you've been told.
      The facts will show you that it is very healthy for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author InWait
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post


        Cannabis heals the mind.
        Go by the facts and not what you've been told.
        The facts will show you that it is very healthy for you.
        I won't say what I'm thinking as I just may get banned for it.

        Instead, how about the fact that the person who told me about the effects is someone who I both trust and had been in the medical field for decades so they had seen it first hand?
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by InWait View Post

          I won't say what I'm thinking as I just may get banned for it.

          Instead, how about the fact that the person who told me about the effects is someone who I both trust and had been in the medical field for decades so they had seen it first hand?
          I'd say you should do your own research instead of listening to one person who may not have the facts.
          Go through this thread, there are plenty of links to scientific studies and doctor reports on the benefits of Cannabis.
          I've had doctors in my life who have recommended that I smoke Cannabis for various reasons, one was a top orthopaedic surgeon who recommended it for pain management. One was a Primary Care doctor who recommended it for appetite stimulation.
          So like I said do your research and read the links in this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      And also, those who say that no one's ever died from marijuana? What about the idiots who drive while under the influence of it? How many crashes have been caused by them?
      I dunno, but at 15mph we usually can classify them as "fender benders"...
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      And also, those who say that no one's ever died from marijuana? What about the idiots who drive while under the influence of it? How many crashes have been caused by them?
      none...

      most people who smoke pot drive more carefully under the influence of it, or not at all.

      accidents caused by drinking alcohol: tons, you hear about them every weekend where I live
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    I'm done posting here anyways. I've been in a rotten mood lately and this isn't helping. I have a deep disdain for marijuana. These claims of it actually being a "good" thing and the apparent support for legalization only p***** me off further.

    I've learned by experience not to post when in a bad mood. It impairs my judgement...:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      I'm done posting here anyways. I've been in a rotten mood lately and this isn't helping. I have a deep disdain for marijuana. These claims of it actually being a "good" thing and the apparent support for legalization only p***** me off further.

      I've learned by experience not to post when in a bad mood. It impairs my judgement...:rolleyes:
      Sounds like you have an issue with the truth.
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      • Profile picture of the author InWait
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Sounds like you have an issue with the truth.
        Put down the joint. Breath in some oxygen instead.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by InWait View Post

          To add one more thing, I asked someone else who works with the elderly for a living. They said they have not met even a single addict who claims that marijuana relieves pain. It makes them stoned, hungry, and stupid, so maybe it acts as a simple distraction instead?

          That and there are many users who have to go to special clinics to deal with the effects of using it all their lives. Do your own research on that aspect before telling me to research the contrary.

          You will not convince me that marijuana is not harmful.
          As a matter of fact I have been researching Cannabis for over 20 years, so I stand by what I said, do your own research.
          I don't care if I convince you or not. It doesn't change the facts or the truth weather you choose to believe them or not.

          Originally Posted by InWait View Post

          Put down the joint. Breath in some oxygen instead.
          Typical of someone who can't back up any of their claims with facts.
          By the way you talking to a couple of people are just unsubstantiated claims.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        I think smoking cigarettes is probably worse than both.
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    To add one more thing, I asked someone else who works with the elderly for a living. They said they have not met even a single addict who claims that marijuana relieves pain. It makes them stoned, hungry, and stupid, so maybe it acts as a simple distraction instead?

    That and there are many users who have to go to special clinics to deal with the effects of using it all their lives. Do your own research on that aspect before telling me to research the contrary.

    You will not convince me that marijuana is not harmful.
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    • Originally Posted by InWait View Post

      To add one more thing, I asked someone else who works with the elderly for a living. They said they have not met even a single addict who claims that marijuana relieves pain. It makes them stoned, hungry, and stupid, so maybe it acts as a simple distraction instead?

      That and there are many users who have to go to special clinics to deal with the effects of using it all their lives. Do your own research on that aspect before telling me to research the contrary.

      You will not convince me that marijuana is not harmful.
      That is an interesting and curious observation. A friend of mine who is a Gerontologist, might agree that in the study of mental acuity of the aged, cannabis is not particularly appropriate. While I don't think it will make an addled person less so, in the areas of pain, and nausea control, and the ability to induce hunger, it can be quite beneficial for the elderly. Many elderly people become confused by condition, so I don't know if it could be of benefit other than making boredom less boring.

      Though you are correct in one aspect - at any age, as comedian Ron White often opines, "you can't fix stupid" -
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  • Profile picture of the author InWait
    To answer the original question, which is worse, I will admit that I am inclined to say that alcohol is as excessive amounts damage the liver.

    You can fry your brain (metaphorically of course) and still live. You'd have a hard time living without a liver.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Again I ask...Why is it those that need to smoke a joint the most are always the ones that are the most against smoking a joint?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    ^ Hell yea.

    Thread closed, nothing more to be said here.

    lol na but on a serious note - that is absolutely right! I'm willing to bet that the people who are against it have never even tried it for themselves.

    They just "trust" the government's anti-bud propaganda & live their life as a sheep, never truly experiencing it for themselves. Sigh.. so sad

    I can assure you that weed is NOT a gateway drug, like the govt claims. In my opinion, CIGARETTES are more of a gateway drug than pot. And I can also assure you that if you smoke a joint, you are NOT going to melt into your couch (LOL) like these stupid anti-pot commercials would have you believe.

    Tobacco is WAY more harmful.

    Then alcohol.. kids are more likely to try alcohol & then want to try something else, than someone who tries weed. Chances are, the person who tries weed is just gonna turn into a pothead.. lol but its THEIR body, so it should be THEIR choice (granted they are legally an adult)

    I dunno.. All I'm saying is that just because someone smokes a bit of weed every now & again, it DOES NOT mean they are a criminal, like the federal government likes to think. And it doesnt mean they are uneducated, lazy, or anything like that.

    Isn't it possible that maybe, JUST MAYBE, they realize you only live ONCE. So as long as its not heroin or something stupid like that, why not at least give it a chance?

    Anyway.. I'll end this giant wall-of-text with this:

    If it doesnt impact your life in a negative way, I dont see a problem with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Are we still arguing this subject? I say we do the first hand research that InWait seems to want to hear about.

    Everybody grab a case and an oz - and lets meet somewhere and do that research!
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    ^ You're about 20 minutes late (and possibly a few time zones away) haha, sorry Sal

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Heres an interesting BBC documentary.

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  • Profile picture of the author GISA
    Hello,

    both, just do everything with moderation, that is the best way to go.

    Hope that help
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    • Profile picture of the author clintK
      I do neither BUT, as an EX taxi driver on the graveyard shift, I can honestly say that I would MUCH rather pick up a fare who had been smoking joints than one who had been drinking. I have NEVER had trouble with a stoned fare, pity I cannot say the same about a drunk one.

      Just my two penneth.

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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    Please! The answer is a no-brainer!

    I can't tell you how many people I know that have lost lives due to alcohol abuse either self inflicted or a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time! But never due to smoking a joint.

    And the propaganda against weed in the 70's was a joke!

    In Health class it was mandatory that we watched a filmstrip on the effects of marijuana. This film strip showed this dude laying on the floor totally stoned and saying, The dog is on the ceiling...he's barking daisies at me! And the psychedelic graphics portraying the experience was hilarious.

    It then moved to a scene where a girl was leaning against a tree with one leg amputated just above the knee. Her story was that after smoking a joint she could see and feel worms crawling in and out and all over the bottom half of her leg to the point she couldn't stand it, so she grabbed a meat cleaver from the kitchen and cut it off, saying she almost died.

    I kid you not, this was about pot and not hallucinogenic drugs!

    Anyway, the whole class broke out laughing including the teacher and when we were supposed to have discussion and worksheet time, he told us the answers to the worksheet and said there'd be no discussion, to just use the rest of class as free time.

    What does that tell ya? LOL!

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    • Profile picture of the author orb
      Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

      In Health class it was mandatory that we watched a filmstrip on the effects of marijuana. This film strip showed this dude laying on the floor totally stoned and saying, The dog is on the ceiling...he's barking daisies at me! And the psychedelic graphics portraying the experience was hilarious.

      It then moved to a scene where a girl was leaning against a tree with one leg amputated just above the knee. Her story was that after smoking a joint she could see and feel worms crawling in and out and all over the bottom half of her leg to the point she couldn't stand it, so she grabbed a meat cleaver from the kitchen and cut it off, saying she almost died.

      I kid you not, this was about pot and not hallucinogenic drugs!
      Wow hahaha
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    • Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

      Please! The answer is a no-brainer!

      In Health class it was mandatory that we watched a filmstrip on the effects of marijuana. This film strip showed this dude laying on the floor totally stoned and saying, The dog is on the ceiling...he's barking daisies at me! And the psychedelic graphics portraying the experience was hilarious.

      It then moved to a scene where a girl was leaning against a tree with one leg amputated just above the knee. Her story was that after smoking a joint she could see and feel worms crawling in and out and all over the bottom half of her leg to the point she couldn't stand it, so she grabbed a meat cleaver from the kitchen and cut it off, saying she almost died.

      I kid you not, this was about pot and not hallucinogenic drugs!

      Terra
      I have got to find a copy of this "training film"..."The dog is on the ceiling...he's barking daisies at me!" - that is true Shakespeare, they don't write stuff like that anymore.

      update: Bummer man, looks like he was high on LSD - LSD Documentary Records

      Comments: Soundtrack disc to accompany projector slides to be shown in high school classrooms. The program runs some 34 minutes and consists mainly of a fictious account of a kid deciding to have his first acid trip and illustrates the before, during and after of that decision in an entertaining manner. The actors aren't bad and the script is pretty funny, with some priceless lines ("... a paisley dog walks across the ceiling and he's barking daisies at me, out of sight, man...") as well as a few cheesy psychedelic sound effects as the drug experience spins out of control. Sage advice from party-pooper doctors is inserted here and there, as is a burnout testimony from a girl who's already been there and done that. Above average for the style.


      But I did find this one:
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        update: Bummer man, looks like he was high on LSD - LSD Documentary Records
        Ummmm!

        We were lied to!

        I can still remember the big poster of a pot leaf with the caption, "why do you think they call it dope? hanging on the board!

        Not that it made a difference , haha!

        Terra

        PS. Come to think about it, it may have been the warnings that a joint could be laced with stronger stuff. But the gist of the whole lesson was the dangers of marijuana.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

      I kid you not, this was about pot and not hallucinogenic drugs!
      Don't forget some weed is somewhat "different". Like... Puts people a little "out of this world" ? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Adriian
    I think smoking is worse, but their both bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    My dog would be an excellent drug detecting hound. He got to have totes or "cookies" with it when he was sick with his cancer. He loves the heck out of the stuff. You put that little guy near someone holding and he'll probably cry for it. LOL. He used to know and seemed highly offended if not offered any. Out here we don't know any smokers so not sure if he would still carry on if not given any or not. It really did help him when he was sick, though. I was amazed at how much it helped him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      has anyone seen this cool video yet about Hemp?

      I love it!

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      • Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        has anyone seen this cool video yet about Hemp?

        I love it!
        I think FOX News used this as an example of what PBS puts on Sesame Street now...:rolleyes:




        (Btw: It is a very slick and well produced pitch)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    "Some of my finest moments have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp"
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    • Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      "Some of my finest moments have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp"
      ~ Thomas Jefferson
      Jefferson had the right idea...

      Maybe Congress could get more done if their joint sessions really were joint sessions...
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        Jefferson had the right idea...

        Maybe Congress could get more done if their joint sessions really were joint sessions...
        You can bet that their solutions to problems would be much less intrusive and violent. The way they act right now, I'm thinking they do a lot of crank before session. Paranoid, meglomaniacal, and just plain nasty.
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  • Profile picture of the author sphex1987
    I don't smoke weed but I do drink alcohol. I'm just afraid that I might get addicted by it is all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cary Bergeron
    Just drink its legal easier to obtain and funner.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Wessman
    I support cannabis legalization. It's less harmful than alcohol, tobacco and even pharmacuetical drugs (just look at any statistics).

    I like a drink but I prefer to smoke... no hangovers!
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  • Indonesian Boy, 8, Smokes 40 Cigarettes A Day (VIDEO)

    An eight-year-old boy who smokes 40 cigarettes a day is to receive therapy to help him kick his four-year habit.

    Ilham Umar, who lives in Indonesia, erupts into a violent rage and smashes windows if he is not supplied with his cigarettes, his father Umar told the Antara news agency.

    He said: “He doesn’t want to go to school anymore. He spends his whole day smoking and playing.”
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  • Profile picture of the author Lyfe Lyte
    They both suck...keep your mind clear and sober at all times....dont' kill your brain cells using either one....you will need those later to count your millions
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by warriorwealth View Post

      They both suck...keep your mind clear and sober at all times....dont' kill your brain cells using either one....you will need those later to count your millions
      You only live once, I don't know about you but the thought of going through life without trying anything out at all fills me with horror.

      Clean and sober 24/7 year in year out, blinkin' hec mate, that sounds a bit too boring. Don't tell me, sex is off limits too?

      Crikey!

      What do you want us all to be, vegetables perhaps?
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  • Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    The claims made for cannabis are ludicrous. If you want to smoke that stuff and eat everything in the house, go right ahead. There's no need to bore me to tears with all the benefits.

    As for the people who want to punish people for smoking it, get a life. It's none of your damned business what they do.

    ...and don't start that impaired driving nonsense. That's just thinking you have more rights on the road than other people. You don't. You share the road with people under the influence of drugs and alcohol every day. Live with it.
    Touche' Mon Ami !

    Wait a minute...not sure if that's a Win...

    Or a Fail !...
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