I no longer smoke but used to. I fully support legalizing marijuana. Isn't hashish something different?

I have seen many people get nasty, belligerent and violent when drinking. I have never seen the same from someone smoking.

The only reason it's illegal is the whole "gateway drug" fallacy leftover from thirty years ago.

Like Kim said
A lot of the gateway theory comes from how they collect the information, same with the addiction theory.
For the gateway one, if you are arrested for dwi or for any type of drug use the first thing you are asked is if you ever smoked pot. Answer yes and it goes down as a gateway.
As for addiction, that comes from the court system.
If you are arrested and go to court for Cannabis you can face hard time in prison. But if you go in and say you are addicted, then you can get a short time in rehab. Most people will choose the rehab.
Funny thing about that is that Cannabis has been used for years to get addicts off heroin and alcohol. G.B. was doing that with much success until the U.S. told them to stop. The reason it worked so well was because it suppressed the withdrawal symptoms and when they where through they simply stopped smoking Cannabis. As Cannabis isn't physically addictive the process worked.

True. Except I'd say cigs and alcohol.
As a yougin with a German father, having a glass of beer with dinner was common, as was a glass of wine after dinner.
I was stealing wine from the jug in the garage way before I had even heard of "marijuana". I also started smoking cigs. way before I knew about Cannabis.
With the abundance of legal pharmaceuticals in the house I was experimenting with them before Cannabis also.

But I don't buy into any drug being a gateway drug.
What I do buy into is some people will experiment with drugs, some won't.
If Cannabis was a gateway drug, then all my friends (and me) should be heroin addicts by now.

From what I've read, the final documents where written on Parchment.
But the drafts where all written on hemp paper.
The reason (as near as I can find) is because hemp paper then was like regular paper today. In other words it was so common, it wasn't anything special. So for special, important documents, a "fancier" type of paper was used.
Same deal with clothing. Everyday work clothes that needed to be durable and long lasting where made from hemp. Fancy clothes, not so much.

The irony there is,making it illegal all started with timber and paper.
The amount of pollution would be cut also. There's a laundry list of chemicals used to turn wood pulp into paper, with hemp there's one. Hydrogen Peroxide(sp) to bleach it white.
3M I didn't go to either link, but I've known about the juicing for a little while now. I've been studying Cannabis for many years and I'm still amazed at the benefits that come from it.

Hello Fernando, good to see you again, missed you, I've often wondered how you are of late and what you were up to.

Portugal of course - I'll be down your way in the van in a few months time, how about meeting up for a cup of 'tea'?

Not ashamed to admit I've been smoking the stuff for years. Last one I had was last night as I usually do just before going to bed. Usually just a single skinner mixed with some hand rolling baccy. Just a tiny sprinkling is enough to relax me to drift off into sleep almost immediately.

Alcohol - I hardly ever touch it. Last drink I had was on news years eve I think and before that sometime in September.

Tina... hashish comes in many forms, in this part of Europe most of it imported from Morocco in north west Africa, across the Gibraltar Strait into Spain and from there to the rest of Europe.

A good ducumentary about hash can be found here...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Or, if you speak and understand German this is a very good documentary from Daniel Grabner...

Google


Mark Andrews

Keep in mind I could be wrong, so I would still do the research on that
I still devour a ton of info on Cannabis every day and sometimes get it a little mixed up. For example it could be the method and not the medium or both that activates the THC.
Here's a video I just found today.
It's about a study that was done in Jamaica on the effects of woman smoking Cannabis while pregnant and the effects on the children. It also mentions how they eat raw Cannabis as a food source.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

"A user of marijuana is a degenerate"
Sad some people still believe that crap.

You don't just have to smoke it. You can take it in in any one of a number of ways including sprinkling a little hashish or bud into a yoghurt or into a cake, whatever floats your boat.

The effects are the same.


Mark Andrews

How? Do you want to provide some statistics to give your claim some credibility?

How is taking in marijuana more dangeros than drinking alcohol?

If I remember right, we agreed to disagree on that one
Still one of the best conversations I've had here on the subject.

There SHOULD be a link to mental health problems. The treatment end at least.

I'm neither a smoker or a drinker but yikes, alcohol for sure!

It's my understanding that any 'side effects' from smoking cannabis come from the oil based crap that has been added during the 'manufacture' process, instead of from the actual plant itself.

This video says it all for me...

http://youtu.be/hMM_T_PJ0Rs

...but not before squeezing out every ounce of OUR financial resources.

Yep...I've about come to the conclusion that, that's the point.

Very true, it has calmed my ass down whenever I'm agitated. I don't do it constantly (or regularly), but I really do function better with occasional use.

Alcohol, on the other hand, well... much as I enjoy occasionally getting drunk as well, there HAVE been negative consequences whenever I'd gone too far. The chances of losing control are a lot higher, so I have to be more careful.

As with many things in life, there is a balance.

You see plenty of younger folks, perhaps due to peer pressure etc will smoke one massively loaded joint after another to end up in a comatose state. And they wonder why after several months abusing their mental faculties in this way that they end up with some sort of mental health problems, psychosis, paranoia etc.

It's all about moderation, just as it is with drinking. Do too much too quickly and rather than benefiting you, the substance (whatever it is) will come back to bite you in the ass if you do too much too quickly.

Which is why I tend to smoke truly tiny amounts. About as much as most people would put into a very small pipe, in a single spliff.

I'm guessing here but most younger and dare I say it 'wilder' folks would baulk in derision at the very tiny amount I put into each one. Put it this way, I can make an 1/8th last about 6-8 weeks the same amount many youngsters would go through usually just in a single morning.

As I said, it's all about moderation, knowing your limits.

If you're careful and use anything in life sensibly there is no need for it to become something bordering on an addiction. Not that cannabis is addictive, not in that sense although some obviously do build up a dependence on it as an escape from the worries and problems in their lives.

The biggest thing I get high on is life itself - I think it's truly wonderful and too often taken completely for granted.

What do you think?

You want to watch a good film about cannabis?

This was set in Cornwall, my home county, it's called Saving Grace and is a hellishly funny comedy with a beauty storyline...

Piffle. So you're saying the next logical step from myself smoking cannabis is to start thinking about taking other harder drugs? That's a bit of a jump you've got going on there - emotionally -- I'm fascinated why and how you can make this massive leap tarnishing everyone with the same brush?

Really? You seriously believe that?

Then go for it. Come again...

First, what I do with my body is completely up to me as long as I harm no one else. What I want to do in my spare time, smoking a joint now and again is also completely up to me. It's not for you or anyone else to tell me what I should or should not be doing at my age.

I mean if you want to carry your argument to it's next logical conclusion...

Take chocolate. Do you enjoy the stuff? Love eating it?

Do you even think about the child slave labor which often goes into the start of the manufacturing process of creating your cheap chocolate which you buy off the shelf? No, I thought not. But are you going to stop eating chocolate now you know different? Exactly.

Take the clothes you wear next. Half the clothing on your body more than likely comes from sweatshops in India and the far east. Many of these sweatshops also employ child slave labor. The working conditions are often appalling and the hours worked tortuously long.

So, what are you going to do about it? Sit there and be a comfortable armchair critic of everyone else who smokes cannabis whilst on the other hand... inadvertently supporting child slave labor elsewhere in the world through the products you buy every day?

How does that one work?

Pray, do tell me. I'd love to read your opinion how you justify one whilst condeming the other. Pot kettle black much?

It's not for the government to tell me what I can do in my own home which I've paid for out of my taxable income.

What I want to do whilst sitting in my living room isn't up to them, my life does not belong to them.

Legally sure, they've got the whole system tied up, just look at your birth certificate etc and perhaps do a little research into marine admiralty law. The government likes to think they own all of us but I say, "Screw the bloody government and their stupid laws."

Because that is precisely what some of their laws are. They defy commonsense, they defy reason, they make no sense in the real world to the common ordinary wo/man in the street. Far from it.

All they're interested in is protecting big business and it's their demands that they jump to.

It's funny, we've made it legal to sanction and bomb countries to smithereens all in the name of peace, yet... a peace loving old hippy for example can't even smoke a joint in his own home listening to Bob Marley and The Wailers without the government interfering coming down on him like a ton of bricks.

Meanwhile...

A million women and kids are killed in an illegal war and precisely nothing is done about it for the worst crimes against humanity possible.

The world as we know it obviously hasn't been created equal.

And people wonder why other people get mad with the powers that be sometimes. I mean hello, knocking on wood for brains, it's not exactly rocket science is it?

You may reply now Quahas...


Mark Andrews

How about if we ask the same question (title of the thread) with the knowledge that eating resin gives an effective high too?

The only argument therefore would be mental health and alcohol has more of a negative effect on that in my opinion, certainly from a depression standpoint.

If it's the method of ingestion used as the point of argument to deem the safety of a substance, then alcohol can cause blindness - mostly to those who take straight shots through the eyeballs and cofee can kill instantly if you inject it into the jugular..


Daniel

do you drink alcohol? Take prescription drugs?

both?

do you watch a lot of TV?


if you answer yes to any of the above, you've already impeded your mind

I used statistics specifically unrelated to automobile accidents and stated so. You are as likely to have an auto accident driving impaired under the influence of any substance, or texting while driving.

I was made to watch a video once in a class that showed the effects of driving under the influence of alcohol. The test subjects drove on a coned course, and were rated sober and increasingly impaired until legally intoxicated .08 -

Subject one started out sober with no errors (0) and ended with a minus 8 when completed.

Subject two started out sober with 8 errors, and ended with minus 16 when completed.

I argued to the instructor, I would rather have subject one on the road driving impaired - than subject two sober, because his skills overall are much more acute -

He disagreed because his motive was to point out the hazards of driving while impaired, and that her reaction time sober is more acute. I argued subject two is much more dangerous in any condition, and more likely to cause an accident...and that subject one's skill-set applies in his reaction time.

And of course, I agree neither subject should drive while impaired - but if you had to choose...which subject would you pick?

What is your opinion?

Actuallyfar less then you think.
Why Medical Marijuana Laws Reduce Traffic Deaths | Healthland | TIME.com
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...driving-drunk/

Drinking alcohol will impede your mind, if you read any of the links here you'd find that Cannabis heals the mind.
Go by the facts and not what you've been told.
The facts will show you that it is very healthy for you.

I dunno, but at 15mph we usually can classify them as "fender benders"...

none...

most people who smoke pot drive more carefully under the influence of it, or not at all.

accidents caused by drinking alcohol: tons, you hear about them every weekend where I live

Sounds like you have an issue with the truth.

That is an interesting and curious observation. A friend of mine who is a Gerontologist, might agree that in the study of mental acuity of the aged, cannabis is not particularly appropriate. While I don't think it will make an addled person less so, in the areas of pain, and nausea control, and the ability to induce hunger, it can be quite beneficial for the elderly. Many elderly people become confused by condition, so I don't know if it could be of benefit other than making boredom less boring.

Though you are correct in one aspect - at any age, as comedian Ron White often opines, "you can't fix stupid" -

LOL, I am not into either substance . . . but for the sake of research and supporting the WF Off Topic Team, I'm willing to do my part!

GT

I do neither BUT, as an EX taxi driver on the graveyard shift, I can honestly say that I would MUCH rather pick up a fare who had been smoking joints than one who had been drinking. I have NEVER had trouble with a stoned fare, pity I cannot say the same about a drunk one.

Just my two penneth.

Clint.

Wow hahaha

I have got to find a copy of this "training film"..."The dog is on the ceiling...he's barking daisies at me!" - that is true Shakespeare, they don't write stuff like that anymore.

update: Bummer man, looks like he was high on LSD - LSD Documentary Records

Comments: Soundtrack disc to accompany projector slides to be shown in high school classrooms. The program runs some 34 minutes and consists mainly of a fictious account of a kid deciding to have his first acid trip and illustrates the before, during and after of that decision in an entertaining manner. The actors aren't bad and the script is pretty funny, with some priceless lines ("... a paisley dog walks across the ceiling and he's barking daisies at me, out of sight, man...") as well as a few cheesy psychedelic sound effects as the drug experience spins out of control. Sage advice from party-pooper doctors is inserted here and there, as is a burnout testimony from a girl who's already been there and done that. Above average for the style.


But I did find this one:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Don't forget some weed is somewhat "different". Like... Puts people a little "out of this world" ? :p

has anyone seen this cool video yet about Hemp?

I love it!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Jefferson had the right idea...

Maybe Congress could get more done if their joint sessions really were joint sessions...

You only live once, I don't know about you but the thought of going through life without trying anything out at all fills me with horror.

Clean and sober 24/7 year in year out, blinkin' hec mate, that sounds a bit too boring. Don't tell me, sex is off limits too?

Crikey!

What do you want us all to be, vegetables perhaps?

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