Was it suicide to allow MONSANTO to poison us?

by HeySal
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It appears now that by allowing our politicians to let MONSANTO do whatever they wanted, we might have just committed suicide.

Monsanto

And after you read about this......... consider that our politicians are now considering allowing Dow Chemical to spray agent orange on our crops and weeds to "clean up" the mess MONSANTO has made. Yeah, that'll work.
  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Sounds much like the mindset of a few bright sparks who introduced rabbits to Australia in the 19th century to make it a bit more like Ye Merry Olde England. These then swelled out to plague proportions and decimated the local flora.

    To combat that, they then introduced foxes to quell the rabbit population. The foxes seemed to not be interested in rabbits but were interested in the unique animals, none of which evolved having to contend with a carnivorous mammal.

    Now we have two introduced species (both classed locally as vermin) in huge numbers ravaging both the flora and fauna.

    Genius.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    The only mystery here is why it is still legal?

    Stupid question I guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      But they're feeding millions of starving people:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        But they're feeding millions of starving people:rolleyes::rolleyes:
        ACTUALLY, they are STARVING people! It is like on SG1 where those aliens gave humans a longer life, but sterilized them! "They were helping humanity!"! Well, monsanto patented a crop that is partially STERILE! Can people eat it? YEP! *****BUT***** normal corn can be perpetual, and has been for thousands of years! THEIR corn can stop the perpetual corn, and is NOT perpetual. So it can end up leading to STARVATION! WHY? So THEY get paid a kind of support fee!

        Farmers and ranchers and bakers have for THOUSANDS of years sold maybe 90% of what they produced, and used the rest to keep producing. So the bacteria in some cultures, like yoghurt, birds, like chickens, and plants, like corn, could be PERPETUAL! IMAGINE if that were to STOP!

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    The government is too busy to pursue this?

    (too busy persecuting pot smokers?)
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      The government is too busy to pursue this?

      (too busy persecuting pot smokers?)
      They are pursuing it Pat.:rolleyes:
      All the top brass in the FDA and USDA that control this type of stuff are former Monsanto employees. I say former because they leave Monsanto to work at the FDA or USDA long enough to get whatever their poison of the day is approved, then go back to Monsanto.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        They are pursuing it Pat.:rolleyes:
        All the top brass in the FDA and USDA that control this type of stuff are former Monsanto employees. I say former because they leave Monsanto to work at the FDA or USDA long enough to get whatever their poison of the day is approved, then go back to Monsanto.
        Yep. Bingo. And the Obama admin is about to install another very high level MONSANTO exec to lead the USDA again unless the petitions actually get paid attention to. (fat chance, eh?).

        Our only hope right now is to have our reps decide that destroying our ability to survive is too important - even though these friendships that make them so much personal cash.

        Because of desertification and an over-carrying capacity population, we were already looking at the onset of what is going to be a famine that will take down at least 1/3 of the population. Right now it is in the beginning stages (10 years sooner than predicted). In this stage it is a man-made problem. Pricing and distribution causing famine.

        The next stage is natural disaster on top of man made. There simply will not be enough food to go around. With millions of hectares going to desertification from being cleared or farmed for ages, the soil is just being plain depleted. With the extra millions of hectares now being destroyed by MONSANTOS poisons, we soon won't have the soil to grow enough for everyone - or the necessary bio-forms to replenish it - plus the residual poison keeping the bio-forms that survive outside of these areas will be unable to spread back into poisoned land. Unless they can clean that crap out of the water and land somehow, we're up a creek without a paddle.

        So what will our leaders do? Continue to let it happen (that is, allow DOW to spray the MONSANTO developed super-weeds with agent orange that will kill everything surviving around the superweeds (as well as sickening and killing millions of humans and major amounts of wildlife), or will they finally decide enough is enough and see if we can't start turning it around enough to leave at least a remedial amount of life on earth in tact?

        It has to be remembered, that once a biome (ecosystem) is set off balance, a chain reaction is caused that can topple most of the life in that system unless it can migrate. With damage as extensive as it is now.....there's no place for anything to migrate to.
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrician
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        They are pursuing it Pat.:rolleyes:
        All the top brass in the FDA and USDA that control this type of stuff are former Monsanto employees. I say former because they leave Monsanto to work at the FDA or USDA long enough to get whatever their poison of the day is approved, then go back to Monsanto.
        You know Thom, I knew that in the back of my mind - and that is why my first post said 'stupid question' to the 'mystery of why it is still legal'.

        .... but I just wanted to hear it said OUT LOUD.


        some things never change.:rolleyes:

        ...and people used to think the mafia was bad, eh? Mere rookies compared to these ECOCRIMINALS
        and the monsters that control the 'purse strings' = PHARMAMOB ET AL.

        ... those 'souls' with conflicts of interest and even bigger conflict of ethics and conscience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
    If you haven't seen it, there's a documentary about Monsanto called "The World According to Monsanto."

    The video is about their efforts to patent (and therefore "own") the seeds that produce our food.

    You can see it for free here...

    The World According to Monsanto | Watch Free Documentary Online

    -John
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Oh - I forgot about this one, too. Some of you may remember this. I suppose a lot didn't even know it. About 4 or 5 years ago, there was a public outcry because the guy they wanted to put in charge of the FDA was involved with an experiment in Florida where they were giving destitute mothers of infants $1000 and a tee-shirt (no lie) to allow them to spray their babies with toxins to see what would happen. The guy (can't remember his name, anyone know it?) was told he had to stop it because people were alarmed. Go figure.

    These are the people that control our safety and health. MONSANTO officials and guys that spray babies with toxic chemicals - can anyone say "mad scientist"?
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  • Profile picture of the author WishfulDoing
    Monsanto is evil. It's really disturbing that Obama appointed a former Monsanto exec to head the FDA and now possible the USDA. The fox is guarding the hen house.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      GE foods are required to be labeled in the 15 European Union nations, Russia, Japan, China, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries around the world. A poll released by ABC News found that 93 percent of the American public wants the federal government to require mandatory labeling of GE foods. Tell FDA to Label Genetically Engineered Food
      I've been active on the federal and state level pushing for labelling.
      Currently there are three states I know of with required labelling laws in legislation, California, Vermont, and Connecticut.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Agent Orange is not going to be used nor has it been proposed for use.

        The blog stating this "shocking news" is one that only writes about "shocking news" - much of it not in line with facts. The fact he does give in the article don't really support what the title claims. Not sure where this guy is going as he says earlier that engineered corn is resistant to 2-4 D (and some plants are). How he gets from there to Agent Orange being used is a big leap of imagination.

        2-4 dichlorophenoxyacetic is a weed killer that's long been used in commercially available broadleaf weed killing products. Yes, it's a major ingredient used to make Agent Orange but it is not Agent Orange. Saying so doesn't make it true.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Agent Orange is not going to be used nor has it been proposed for use.

          The blog stating this "shocking news" is one that only writes about "shocking news" - much of it not in line with facts. The fact he does give in the article don't really support what the title claims. Not sure where this guy is going as he says earlier that engineered corn is resistant to 2-4 D (and some plants are). How he gets from there to Agent Orange being used is a big leap of imagination.

          2-4 dichlorophenoxyacetic is a weed killer that's long been used in commercially available broadleaf weed killing products. Yes, it's a major ingredient used to make Agent Orange but it is not Agent Orange. Saying so doesn't make it true.
          No Kay - it's not actually agent orange -- just the two extremely deadly chemicals that make up agent orange. I think that justifies the monicker. People have to understand what it is they are intending to spray their food with == and they know what some of the diseases the soldiers who were exposed to that stuff suffered. It just makes sense to make it clear what we are being faced with.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I've been active on the federal and state level pushing for labelling.
        Currently there are three states I know of with required labelling laws in legislation, California, Vermont, and Connecticut.
        I've only been in Oregon for a few weeks - and am not sure, but it seems like they are beefing up a labeling campaign here as well. I am working without having had to take a drug test - water is NOT fluoridated (only around 25% of the state still is), and the local stores are carrying more organic than non-organic, which is a bit spendy, but seems to be the preferred food for at least the central corridor of the state. There are alternative energy programs being pushed by the local energy company and a whole net of ecological organizations. I've not seen anything that looks like a farm that the cows aren't out grazing in grassed pastures.

        So - I'm thinking that OR is probably right in there with the other three. Will know for sure pretty soon. I've had other things to get grounded before looking at local politics -- but if it is for natural and green, I think Oregon is one place that will be on the bandwagon.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I think that justifies the monicker.
          ... because you want to create shock and outrage. The real facts about Monsanto are bad enough - sensationalizing by adding claims easily proven false doesn't solve the problem. The argument begins to sound like a rant and the public turns away from the hysteria.

          That plays right into Monsanto's hands and that happened over and over on this issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Nobody is turning away from the issue. And as far as shock -- what is more shocking than a few of the chemicals that kill life, including human, being used on our food? If we have to call it the entire substance so people recgonize what is being said, that's not a fear campaign - it's a very real and live danger.

    There is a point that the "lets have common sense" stance can completely backfire as well. You list those two chemicals and most people won't understand how extreme the issue actually is. You call them agent orange, and they recognize what is being said. When it comes to their use - anyone who is not shocked and outraged might well be checked for a pulse.

    The real fact is......they've been spraying small amounts of one for a long time -- but left it at a name that nobody recognized. So nobody really said much. It was given the "okay" at certain levels. That never made it safe. Now the level is going to be increased to a point that is absolutely insane. Maybe it's time to give people a little fear and shock. It may be the only thing keeping them out of hospitals soon. It may also be the final death blow to the ecosystems.

    Sorry - it's a little past time for common sense - none is being used against us. But hey, in ways its still a free country, so you are free to eat all the food with that crap dumped on it that you want to.
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