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You have a fox, a chicken and a sack of grain. You must cross a river with only one of them at a time. If you leave the fox with the chicken he will eat it; if you leave the chicken with the grain he will eat it. How can you get all three across safely?

how is it done?
  • The answer seems fairly easy...you take chicken over 1st - then go back, get the grain and take it over, and take the chicken back with you. Take the fox over, then go back and get the chicken...

    But my question is...what is the guy doing carrying around a fox and a chicken in the 1st place? That could get dicey...:rolleyes:

    Put em' in cages for cryin' out loud!
    I mean, if they are loose...what prevents them from running away in the first place?
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    • Profile picture of the author highhopes
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      The answer seems fairly easy...you take chicken over 1st - then go back, get the grain and take it over, and take the chicken back with you. Take the fox over, then go back and get the chicken...

      But my question is...what is the guy doing carrying around a fox and a chicken in the 1st place? That could get dicey...:rolleyes:

      Put em' in cages for cryin' out loud!
      I mean, if they are loose...what prevents them from running away in the first place?
      It would be a far simplar answer LOL cages! if only I thought of that...well done.
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      • Profile picture of the author highhopes
        another teaser;

        You have 12 black socks and 12 white socks mixed up in a drawer. You're up very early and it's too dark to tell them apart. What's the smallest number of socks you need to take out (blindly) to be sure of having a matching pair?
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        • Profile picture of the author Snake Oil
          Three socks
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Snake Oil View Post

            Three socks
            Seems like a pretty good answer, to me.

            To try to encourage Arabella's possible professional career in tennis, her older brother offers her a special prize if she can win two consecutive sets out of a three-set series played alternately against himself and her coach. She can play either c/b/c (coach, then brother, then coach again) or b/c/b (brother, then coach, then brother again), whichever she prefers. The coach is definitely a much better player than Arabella's brother. To give herself the best chance, which series ("c/b/c" or "b/c/b") should she choose, and why?
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          • Profile picture of the author Brian John
            Originally Posted by highhopes View Post

            You have 12 black socks and 12 white socks mixed up in a drawer. You're up very early and it's too dark to tell them apart. What's the smallest number of socks you need to take out (blindly) to be sure of having a matching pair?
            Originally Posted by Snake Oil View Post

            Three socks
            taking out 3 socks certainly puts the odds in your favor that 2 will match, but to be sure of having a matching pair you would need to take out 13, because conceivably (albeit very unlikely) the first 12 could all be of the same color.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Brian John View Post

              taking out 3 socks certainly puts the odds in your favor that 2 will match, but to be sure of having a matching pair you would need to take out 13, because conceivably (albeit very unlikely) the first 12 could all be of the same color.
              Um...did you really just say that? 12 of the same color socks = 6 pairs. Get off the computer...go outside and get some fresh air. LMAO.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by Brian John View Post

              conceivably (albeit very unlikely) the first 12 could all be of the same color.
              Matching pairs are the same color, Brian.

              The first two you take out are either a matching pair (both black or both white), or they're not (one of each): if it's the latter, the third one must match one of them, giving you your matching pair.

              Your answer of 13, I think, is for a "non-matching pair"?

              Oops, sorry, posted at the same time as Sal, above.
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              • Profile picture of the author Brian John
                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                Um...did you really just say that? 12 of the same color socks = 6 pairs. Get off the computer...go outside and get some fresh air. LMAO.
                had just reread it and was about to delete before seeing your post, can't believe i wrote that lol

                from now on i'm only gonna do 4 things at once, not 5. that was awful
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Your answer of 13, I think, is for a "non-matching pair"?
                that's exactly what i was thinking, but it did clearly state "matching pair" so i have no excuse lol
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      The answer seems fairly easy...you take chicken over 1st - then go back, get the grain and take it over, and take the chicken back with you. Take the fox over, then go back and get the chicken...

      But my question is...what is the guy doing carrying around a fox and a chicken in the 1st place? That could get dicey...:rolleyes:

      Put em' in cages for cryin' out loud!
      I mean, if they are loose...what prevents them from running away in the first place?
      I was wondering why the guy doesn't just doesn't drive to a bridge. I'm sure he's not just dragging a boat behind him on foot. That would be silly.
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  • Doesn't matter if you wear boots...:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author highhopes
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Doesn't matter if you wear boots...:rolleyes:
      Oh it does not matter boots, shoes or slippers LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Logistical stuff make my head swim but I'll give it a try anyway.

    "b/c/b"

    But I don't know why.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      "b/c/b"
      Ah.

      Funny you should say that: it's a little bit of a "trick question" (or at least a tricky question) because contrary to appearances, that's actually the second-best answer. "c/b/c" is better.

      This is why: she can't win two consecutive sets without winning the middle set. So it's really about whether the importance of winning the middle set outweighs the disadvantage of (possibly) having to play the coach twice rather than the brother twice.

      If you look at an "extreme example" (which is equally valid in all situations in which - as specified - the coach is a better player than the brother, regardless of "by how much") and say that she actually beats the brother 99.9% of the time because he can't really play the game too well at all and he can win only if she wears my shoes, but she has only a 50/50 chance (let's say) against the teacher, then it's clear that her overall chances in the sequence b/c/b are going to be about 50%, because they're hardly any different from her "chances against the coach in one set" (which happens to be the middle set). But if instead she plays the sequence c/b/c, then assuming only that she wins the middle set with her 99.9% chance of doing so, then all she has to do is beat the teacher on either of two sets against him. And her chances of beating him on either of two sets are clearly better than her chances against him in just one set.

      So it's right for her to play the brother in the middle set. And it's always right for her to do that, as long as the coach is the better player - and c/b/c is therefore her better choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Snake Oil
    Neither do I..

    Speaking of Tennis

    The US Open Tennis Championships in Flushing Meadows is one of the premier sporting events in the world.
    Four couples play a "mixed double" tennis tournament.
    A man and a woman always plays against a man and a woman.
    No person ever plays with or against any other person more than once.
    The participants are :
    Roger Federer, Andy Murray, Rafael Nadal, Fernando Verdasco
    Venus Williams, Kim Clijsters, Caroline Wozniacki, Jelena Jankovic
    Question :
    Can you show how they all can play together in the two courts on three successive days?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    LOL - Alexa's awake today but hits the post button about 5 seconds late.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Welcome to the OT, Brian. In the words of one of my favorite bosses of all times:

    "Sometimes thangs jest be's like dat."
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Originally Posted by highhopes View Post

    You have a fox, a chicken and a sack of grain. You must cross a river with only one of them at a time. If you leave the fox with the chicken he will eat it; if you leave the chicken with the grain he will eat it. How can you get all three across safely?

    how is it done?
    Simple... feed the grain to the chicken, the chicken to the fox, and then carry the fox across the river.

    Nobody said they had to be ALIVE right?
    (Ah, I guess safely would indicate ALIVE, doh!)

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Lexy, I'm just gonna have to take yer word for it. I'm pooped. :p
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    Nice logic you got there!
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