Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

Everyone should each setup 1,000 emails & have them all forward the email in a loop, ha, ha, wild goose chase.

If people get smart they will quit having kids to be born into complete slavery. Let them sort out their mental illness and correct the state of leadership first. If we go extinct because they can't figure it out, we're not ready to be here anyway.

I think they are just admitting to what they have already been doing.
As the OP said, it is already being done here in the US.

I'm joining in this time!!!


I won't do my usual and bother to say that as long as you're not....


A: Plotting an violent overthrow...

A1: Belong to a well armed paramilitary group that has the potential to cause big probs.

B: Hatching a terroristic plot...

C: Planning general criminal activity...


BTW...

Western govs generally don't harass you if you're simply a normal political opponent of the party in power.


( It's another one of the perks of living in the West )


... a huge percentage of the population ( close to like 99.99% ) has nothing to worry about.



- Keywords will be key in the emails much like Gmail uses them to release ads.


BTW...


I want it stopped right now and even if the bad guys turn our beloved nations into...



... Israel Part 2,...


( with crap blowing up all over the place - quite often )


... and I'm scared of going to crowded places like malls etc.



... at least we'll have our freedoms.


I'm joining with the crowd this time!!!


Ya'll have fun now.


All The Best!!



TL


Ps. This is a hit and run operation as I will not be responding one way or the other but please use me to exercise your frustrations etc.

Echelon has been running for at least 10 years now. That doesn't monitor EVERY phone call - but it does record any call that hits a keyword. If millions of Americans got on the phone at the same time and said keywords we could probably mess that system up real bad for awhile. I remember being part of a move that we tried to get people together to fudge that system up every few minutes for a couple of weeks. People couldn't get through their heads that Echelon was real and not some dorks idea of a conspiracy theory.

Then after 9/11 the admin at that current time asked the phone companies to spy on people. People found out and there was a massive attack of lawsuits -- and the President exonerated the phone companies from legal responsibility - even though what they did was illegal, because he had asked them to...as if they shouldn't have and couldn't have just said "uh...that's illegal, No we won't". So we got dumped on and now have monitored phone systems.

I don't need to be doing something wrong to want my privacy. I don't like the thought of some moron sitting off somewhere grinning and fondling himself if I decide to tell a friend something spicy about a guy - it's nobody's business but who I want to tell it to. There's a LOT of perverts that get into this kind of field so they can get their ya ya's off - probably more of a priority for most of em than any kind of security.

And yes - this post did trigger a monitor somewhere. I just hit some really bomb keywords (lol). 5 will get you 10 the chump that reads it has his junk all ready to go after reading the word Pervert and isn't even lookin' at the fact I just typed Echelon, too.

**Aside to paid pervert who monitors this **** -- how much did you just get paid to read this crap?**

Thanks for the heads-up, Ken! I will only send nice, non-political, friendly emails to the UK from now on. (I'll save the nasty stuff for the Cdn/USA spies!)

GT

Hmmmm....no strikes, riots, protests about this? Have we just given up?

AND WHAT IS THEIR "EXCUSE " FOR THIS?

So "we can monitor" terrorists, etc? Yet biz will also be allowed to profit from it.

It just does not sit right at all. What happened in 2012 wioth all this "we will now monitor and act as judge and jury over everything on the Net from now on in"

LOL yeah remember petrol prices breaking £1.00 (2 years ago) in the UK. Whole sale mass uproar..so they drop the prices by 5p for a month and then rise, rise, rise since (not at £1.40)...nothing said. Hate to say it but we are so gullible it's laughable. Their "think tanks" must have a real laugh how their crap actually works!

That is common knolwedge aboutt he US monitoring phone calls since 9/11 One guy mentioend Bin Laden name to his brother on the phone and ten minutes later the FBI were knocking on his door. This was about 2 weeks after so i guess they were ultra keen then. But it was never dropped as far as i knew.

I don't know waht to think of it really. If it stops another mass terrorist attack good...but the line is moving all the time now. Soon we will have no priavacy..rights left at all. George Orwells Vissions do sem to becoming true.

Canada has been monitoring calls for a long time. As far back as 95 that I know of for certain. Long before 911.

It has been a part of the war on drugs and now is used for security reasons as well.

I don't mind it. I've heard the soft click and know that something I have said has triggered a recording of my conversation to begin. They will review it and if they are suspicious they will monitor my calls and perhaps myself.

I knew someone who ended up arrested. I would never have suspected this person of their crimes in a thousand years. She was up to no good and the something she said on the phone triggered and put her under investigation. It was good that it happened.

If you are not up to anything bad they will lose interest in you quickly IMO. Don't worry about it if you have nothing to hide.

Aaron

Monitoring everyone's e-mail is something which the majority of the public should not fear. The NSA has already been doing this for years in the US and we are not experiencing any particular decline in our freedoms here.

There is so much data constantly being transmitted through the internet it is nearly impossible to monitor what everyone is doing at the same time. Instead they set filters in place to scan all information and flag info that relates to national security.

So although the NSA might be scanning everyone's e-mail, facebook account and twitter they are not really paying attention to the majority of the general public but are looking for individuals disucssing information that could jeapordize United States national security.

Quote:
"No, not paranoid or crazy. They record everything. I remember giving brits crap online over a decade ago about all of the CCTVs they had. Well, we got 'em now too. Where I live, they are going up at intersections like crazy. For people running red lights they say. Sure. They can now track you in your vehicle is what it boils down to."

BINGO!!

When I watch some news that is showing pictures in the UK I am amazed at how many cameras I see. And sure as s**t,we are heading that way,and everybody just puts up with it.
But then again, Most of the country fell for the"Patriot Act" for our protection while it is anything but.

If you're new here you probably don't know what I have gone through the past few years and I am not looking for sympathy.The reason I mention it at all is that facing my own mortality several times ( there were times the Drs told my wife that there is a good chance I am not going to make it and there were times they flat out told her I shouldn't have made it,but I did) is that it has given me a greater appreciation of life,but it has also made me open my eyes to what is going on in this country. While the era I grew up in wasn't perfect,it was definitely better than what out kids are growing up in now,and the sad thing is they don't know anything different or better.
Because of that I have become more vocal in both supporting certain things and opposing others.
I would be amazed if I wasn't on the radar nowadays. My congressman's public lliason knows who I am and he knows I am not afraid to call and complain. He also knows when they can't or won't do anything they know I am not afraid to tell them they suck.
It took facing my own mortality to stop being herded and start being proud of who I am again.

Well Sal, thats because the general population is like the homeowners associations that I discussed in a different thread.
They are content to pay their dues (in this case let the IRS steal from them) as long as they are basically left alone and its the other person who gets the shaft,not them.
If something happens to their neighbor to the left or them or to the right of them,its absolutely fine,as long as nothing happens to them.

By the way,I had a forum set up where discussions like this could be held without worrying about breaking the rules,but I set it up poorly making it hard to join.When I get enough cash to have a programmer set it up better without the difficult joining/login procedure it will be open to all who want to discuss things like this.

It looks like they are trying to turn Big Brother into Big Brother Bob's your uncle...

It is some kind of censorship, however it is only a proposal but I'm not into this law. Internet access should be free.

The "theory of it sonds great" and this what they con the masses with..but come on. We all know it will be abused. Politicians and big companies will get their way with it.

V For Vendetta anyone? I wouldn't surprised if over the next two decades, the world is run from by a centralized organization with total control.

I post now on this thread because I want to hear more from those seriously concerned about losing our "freedoms".


All The Best!!


TL

I was going to stay away from this thread because I too fear that I have much to say but it will take a direction that breaks the rules.

So I'll stick to what I hope will not get this thread removed.

Without a doubt, the US citizens are losing freedoms with every piece of legislation passed at midnight that allegedly supports a cause but in fine print and in the middle of a 1,529 page bill, it gets passed.

Most of us will remember in 2006, it was reported that several of the largest communications companies were "monitoring" 200,000,000 people's phone calls.

Take a look at the National Defense Authorization Act.

I've often thought about moving out of this country. One of the reasons I stayed is because of due process. I like the idea that you are supposedly innocent until proven guilty.

The laws keep changing and our rights are disappearing.

I don't buy the fact that the "reason" for these new policies is to make sure we are safe, fight them there so we don't have to fight them here, blah, blah, blah.

What I know is that this is no longer a country I recognize.

Sadly both Lori and Dave are right.

I often wonder where there is to go when the excrement hits the air conditioning. Well it hit and the only thing I see is that borders are shut down -- not against people coming in, but right now, if they don't want to let you out, you don't go anywhere. And where do we go anyway? Nobody has the constitution we had. On the other hand - one or two more cracks of the whip and there will be a lot of places better than this one. Once it is unlivable in one place, somewhere else is not so hard to adjust to.

Steve - when I said civil war - I meant actual fighting in the streets. And I don't consider dialectics a form of "war". Marx's dialectics can also be seen advancing quite strongly today, but that isn't the same as guys with guns in trenches or breaking down doors. When I said war - I meant militia.