Fitting in on the Warrior Forum

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*I think it's time for another lesson with a comedic twist...*

From late last night to early this morning, quite the little debate was raging on this thread. The actual subject matter of the trolling means little to nothing, in the grand scope of things. To be honest, it was actually quite entertaining.


I'm writing this not because of that petty argument; but because of a comeback that was used that I find utterly incorrect and perplexing. A user made a point of pointing out the forum's "pack mentality", claiming that the same select group always shows up with the same arguments to shut down those they see as a "minority".

This is not the first time (and certainly not the first place) that this type of argument has been brought up.

After both observing and participating in this forum for a little over two years, and making a concentrated effort to study and see if this phenomena actually existed, I have come to what I have decided is the only plausible conclusion:







"So what Joe," you may be asking, "I'm never allowed to make an argument on here lest the hive mind be set against me?"

No, silly disembodied voice, quite the opposite! Warriors love to debate, as long as the main "weapons" used are verifiable facts/ideas, you conduct yourself in a professional manner, and avoid the use of broad generalizations.

Do things the right way, and you are wanted in this community. You won't even realize it at first; but being logical and level headed makes you "one of us" right away!

The biggest problem with the whole "There's an old boys club and I'll never get in" mentality is 1. That there is no "old boys club" (I've been looking for them for two years. They either don't exist or are playing the world's most epic game of hide and seek) and 2. The idea that you can't "fit in" on an internet forum because you are the new guy.

News flash: EVERYONE HERE STARTED WITH ZERO POSTS AND NO REPUTATION AT SOME POINT

The whole "woe is me, I am being made the pariah" excuse is a horrible one, and no one wants to hear it. Each and every person on here had to put the work in to find their place in the family, fit in, and contribute. Why should your initiation be any different?

Now granted, there are members who come in here and provide excellent information, advice, and opinions from the get go. They fit in fast. A guy like Christopher Fox comes to mind for me. You know what he did that the complainers didn't? He participated, acted like an adult, and backed up what he had to say.

Unfortunately, they are the exception and not the rule. When you start out, you need to be able to prove your worth to the forum. Fortunately, you have a built in advantage. Take a look at the rules. I want you to read them again; but from a different angle. See how they make it possible for someone like you to participate in the conversation, and not be shut down before proving your worth and growing into a valued member.

Holy crap, it's almost like the Warrior Forum wants new people to succeed and grow on here .







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  • This is a very nice post, good work !
  • It's hard to detect herd mentality when you're actively involved in the herd.

    This is a prime example "." It's a very large contradiction in your simple premise.

    Instead of telling us how it is from the pack perspective, why not ask people what they think as relative newcomers?

    But nice post anyway, it was very readable even though I don't agree with it.
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    • Looking at it from the outside, there are pack mentalities, no question about that.

      Sometimes it's funny to watch people squabble; most times it's annoying when threads are ruined because people who are running successful businesses are arguing about which way works.

      *Newsflash* If each section of the crowd is making a living online it only stands to reason that both ways work.

      Mind you, arguments are better than half the crap that gets posted here, lol.

      Carry on...
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      A valid point, although I like to think of myself as having one foot in the herd and the other outside. You can be part of the herd and still observe it with an "outsider" or objective point of view.

      Or at least that's how I feel. Maybe it is just self rationalization. I'm not a psychologist, I just tried to play one in the OP .
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  • I disagree with this. Instead, I see two other - rather different - things.

    1. Your group is the special group, no matter what anyone else thinks. Those people are stupid, and must be educated as to why your group is clearly superior to others.

    2. There are other groups here which are evil and must be destroyed. You can easily identify these groups, because they will inevitably express a belief that your group is not as special as theirs.

    Your experience is largely driven by how well you understand that everyone thinks these same two things and what that means.

    This is clearly right, because it's precisely what I think, and I'm in the special group which is clearly superior to all those other groups. And obviously you all agree with me, unless of course you're part of that evil group which must be destroyed.

    (The "us and them" mentality is so fundamental and basic to our psychology, wherever we do not see it... we manufacture it.)
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    • And you've done a marvelous job - I clicked on your signature link.

      I hope you do very well with your new product, and I look forward to its release.

      But you'll have to beg ME to review it... I would probably have to look up some new words.

      Seriously - I wish you well!
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    I think this is just a case of one person, not liking what they were told and is now in the angst of a tantrum, lol, but great post!
  • "The pack" exists, no doubt, based on the rules of the forum. For instance (included here NOT to try to violate rules, but to illustrate them and contribute to the discussion): the rules say 'no religion'. Well, the depth of my faith and my reading of the Bible suggest that God's ways are not restricted to Sunday and what's in my little head. In fact, every moment and area of my life is guided (or isn't but should be) by who I am as a Christian. But I can't talk about biblical ethics here, and will get beat up or banned if I do. So the forum is self-selecting for folks who choose to conduct themselves without obvious reference to Scripture. Not to say they're unethical, just that they don't see a need to quote chapter and verse.

    But... IT'S THE WARRIOR FORUM SANDBOX and the rules were posted when I first arrived! These are the rules I've agreed to and I'm here and profiting greatly from everyone's input. I understand authority, and the authority here says, "No discussions of religion" - so I bite my tongue. But gag orders do not mean that the issues aren't there: this rule really does creates a pack, like it or not.

    But I also kinda happen to like this pack. Thanks, all! I've already made about $400 following some advice I got here, and I'm about to release an eBook on my own website.

    [Note to readers and moderators: I considered posting this with reference to child molesters or pornography, but I figured I might just as well call it straight - please accept my apologies if I've overstepped myself, and toss this post if appropriate.]
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    Dapple,

    I'd actually say the rule you are referring to protects your beliefs. The alternative is to let others trash each other about it all day. Go look at what that has done to an entire section of a site like Yahoo! Answers, or the /r/athiesm section on Reddit. You'll lose faith in humanity pretty darn fast.

    No one is saying "no religion", just no discussions on religion. I see people make mention or reference to God all the time, especially in the Mind Warriors section.
  • There are special sections in the Warrior Forum, like off-topic, where a "lesson with a comedic twist" fits in better.

    The main forum is where we talk about making money.

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      Thought about that, then realized that those of us who hang out downstairs aren't the ones who need the lesson. So, I deemed this the appropriate place.

      Sorry you disagree .
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  • It's easy to say there's no good 'ol boy's club when you're in it.

    During my year on WF, I've noticed the pack mentality and a defined hierarchy. Once the leader strikes, the pack converges quickly to pick over the wounded prey. It can get Nasty.

    I remember a question I asked last year about the religion niche and some folks jumped all over me as if I'd urinated on a cross. So I don't agree with it being all rosy and welcoming, it all depends on who's online when you are.

    However, the idiosyncrasies of the WF community don't require justification. As with organic things, the WF evolved in such as way as to ensure its survival.

    IMHO there are only 3 ways to deal with this.
    1. You jump in and learn to run with the WF wolves.
    2. You whine like a wounded animal and let the pack eat you.
    3. You stay away from this neck of the woods.
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      Mark Andrews skips right across the thread right to left with nothing more on, stripped to the waist in his star spangled fluorescent bright pink mini skirt, stockings and suspenders, hairy legs showing to all and sundry singing... Land of Hope and Glory at the top of his voice only to disappear from sight just as swiftly.

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  • Well, the thread in question has been deleted and I didn't see it, so I'm just winging it based on what I've read in this thread.

    What those who feel beat down by the pack often don't realize is that the packs are dynamic. They change, depending on the topic and individual positions. A lot of established members may converge, but it could be a different group each time, with a few of the regulars in on most of the discussions. There are plenty of people here I've argued with in one thread and clicked their thanks button in another.

    With the number of people at this place on any given day, it's almost guaranteed some won't agree with you.

    Another thing to consider is, when the pack is against you, maybe, just maybe, you're wrong!
  • Lol. I remember when I use to think there was a WF good ole boys club ... I think there is a coming of age that people recognize but not necessarily a good ole boys club. As far as JV's go, people connect because the conversion ratio's and commission structures make sense mostly...the demand... Thats more a money making matter than a fitting in one. If you are a good marketer people want to work with you.

    I use to have that "good ole boys club" paranoia, now I understand why it seems that way. You have to earn your keep by being a good citizen over a period of time to be recognized as anything more than a passing tourist here.

    After years of seeing em come as fast as they go... I understand the mentality around here much more.
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  • i guess i carry my own pack
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    Fitting in on the Warrior Forum

    *I think it's time for another lesson with a comedic twist...* From late last night to early this morning, quite the little debate was raging on this thread. The actual subject matter of the trolling means little to nothing, in the grand scope of things. To be honest, it was actually quite entertaining.