Kids call bus monitor "fat" until she cries and they still don't stop

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This is really sad, these kids insult this poor woman and don't stop

warning video has a lot of profanity
Making The Bus Monitor Cry - YouTube
Some quotes

"Kid: You're so fin poor you fat ***.
Old Lady: I try to live by. I try, and it's really hard.
:'(
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Update: so anonymous found the kids names, addresses etc...and now cops are involved. Also reddit started a donation drive for this woman so she can take a vacation, it's already at 10k!(the woman makes about 15k total a year) Everytime I refresh page it increases!

Lets Give Karen -The bus monitor- H Klein A Vacation! -- Indiegogo

also

Klein said the comment that hurt the most was when the kids said "you're so ugly your kid should kill themselves." Her son took his life 10 years ago.
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  • While the video is disgusting, she really had no business in that job. A real bus monitor should be keeping those punks in line.Don't get me wrong,I have a lot of sympathy for her,but she was obviously in way over her head there.Whoever put her on that bus as a monitor should be called to explain his/her actions.She was probably qualified to be a monitor on an elementary school bus,but not on this one.On the bus it looks like they needed a corrections officer.You sure this wasn't a juvenile detention bus?

    As far as the kids, I hope that what you reported as them being identified and the cops are involved are true. Everyone that opened their mouths and/or touched the lady needs a good 6 months in juvie.

    Hope their parents are proud too. Great kids they are bringing up.

    Great educational system we have going too. When I was growing up and anyone acted like that they would have gotten off the bus and gone stright to the vice principals office to have a meeting with the "board of education",which was about a foot and a half long.

    For all those that don't believe in disciplining children....enjoy,this is what you get.

    By the way, the video is 10 minutes long, I sat through about a minute and a half.
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    • While I respect your opinion, i'm going to have to disagree, from what I read she's 68 and has been working for the school for 20 years. What I got fromthe video was she really cared for the kids she was monitoring and even tried to talk to them like normal people while they continued to insult her etc...Also her losing her own son years prior obviously was still very painful for her.

      I do agree however those kids need discipline, but I think the way the woman handled all that was completely fine, the fact she could endure the way she did really touched my heart. If that were your kid insulting her, I doubt you'd want her flipping out, or whatever, but that's my guess, is best left to the parents to discipline properly, though personally I would have told the principle yeah. I too only watched a few minutes of it.

      Also according to this http://i.imgur.com/aSppX.png these are *maybe* special needs kids, so now makes more sense.
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  • That is why I despise mobs. Individually, I doubt those little sh*ts would have treated her that way, but as a group, they did. You can be sure, those turd-blossoms are receiving what they deserve from lots of angles. I guess this event shows both some bad and and some good. As this article put it:
    "But if mean kids make you want to roll over and die, you can, at least this once, reclaim some of your faith in humanity looking at the Internet. Because after the video rose to the front page of Reddit, users started banding together in Klein’s defense: someone creating a Facebook page for sending her kind messages, news sites interviewed Klein about bullying, a few nice people sent flowers to her house, and most impressively, someone established an Indiegogo campaign called Love for Karen Klein, which has so far raised $33,158 towards a vacation and retirement funds."
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  • You see this kind of thing happening almost every week now (Kids behaving like barbarians).
    What values are these kids being taught at home?
    Like the saying goes "Kids are our future" pretty bleak future if you ask me...
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  • 50k has already been raised! This is great I hope it continues and this lady can retire. You can watch donations fly in, in link in my first post.
  • Kay,
    did you edit your post? I could have sworn it was mentioned that back in a different time all it took was a look in the mirror from the bus driver to get the kids in line.
    If you didn't,then maybe I'm just going nuts.

    GMT,
    If you disagree with 99% or 100% of my post, thats fine, I rarely hold grudges or take things personally, I just didn't know what part to focus my response to.

    One thing for sure is we definitely seem to disagree on most everything on this subject.
    Being a bust driver for X number of years doesn't change the fact that she couldn't handle the kids to me,yet you feel she did a good job.The fact that they drove her to tears,according to the post,I didn't watch the video long enough to see it, is proof enough to me that she couldn't. And that isn't an insult or anything either, I could probably have handled those kids when I was in my 30s or 40s,but I'll be the first to admit at my age now I couldn't in the way I feel they deserve,which again,would have been an immediate trip to the principal's office for a spanking,if it was still allowed in school. There is a difference between what I think I am qualified to do and what I really am qualified to do. 20+ years experience or not.
    As far as the possibility of hurt upsetting someones parents, too bad. They need a wake-up call just as much as the kids do.




    Salesguru,
    the answer to your question:"What values are these kids being taught at home?" = none.
  • BTW I agree with Kim. She did NOTHING! So she shouldn't be there. If people want to create trouble, they should be forced to stay in back away from others, and get sanctions.

    Steve
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  • Banned
    Those kids should be suspended from school, that's just messed up.

    I hope that lady gets that donation money ($107,000 so far).
  • She didn't handle it right. She should have had the driver turn straight around and go back to the school where the Principle would call the parents and tell them to retrieve their children. The kids should have been kicked off the bus for a week or two with the threat of permanent suspension of bus privileges if they pulled any further insolence. Just because they aren't allowed to beat the tar out of them doesn't mean that they can't just tell them they will not have the privilege of being where they act like barbarians.
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  • ok here is my stupid question of the day... when did they start putting adults
    on buses ( other then the driver ) to keep the kids in check ?

    and why?
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    • As to when,I can't say.I can see it for elementary kids because they are still learning acceptable behavior (to an extent) and might want to switch seats, play around with their friends and other activities that could be a problem.

      As far as the why, well nowadays I think the video is a good example of that,they just had the wrong monitor.
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  • The school bus should be to get the students safely home! If people want to fight or do THIS garbage, they should be told "Unless you stop and apologize, I can't do my job! If I can't do my job, I will simply take you to the principals office, and drive MYSELF home! You can get suspension, get held back*, etc.... Maybe you will cry about this for the rest of your life about why you can't have a good job*". The SCHOOL should be to TEACH in safety! If the students don't, they should say much the same as the bus driver.

    NOW, WHY did I have the asterisks there? Schools DON'T do their job! They WON'T hold people back, and people are fighting to have the worse jobs leach income from the economy so they APPEAR to be higher paying. It REALLY takes from other places and causes inflation.

    If schools did their jobs, and all was done as here, the schools should just tell parents that complain.... "YOUR job is to raise your kids to be the best they can be! You have chosen to have US help in part of that endeavor. Your kids have chosen to go against us, so we punished them. If you feel that we aren't being MORE than reasonable, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE!"!

    Steve
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  • Jackel is the only word I could think of to describe these kids.

    Many kids don't contemplate, they just follow the leader and when the leader starts circling, it's difficult for the other kids to stand up for what's right.

    Not making excuses, just stating the facts of playground sociology.

    Delusional parents tend to ignore playground sociology and say "not my kid" but if kids aren't taught how to handle themselves in this situation, it's so easy for them to get caught up in the fever of the moment.

    Thanks for posting this. Personally, I had to refrain from issuing preemptive punishment just in case my kids were even THINKING about participating in something like this. but instead I used it as a teaching moment.

    I let my oldest watch a part of it to make sure that he understood that this kind of attack on ANYONE is wrong. I also took the opportunity to explain what I would do if I found out that he was behaving this way.

    I also sent the link to the PTA president, I think it should be added to the anti-bullying education. A little educating goes a long way. But if all else fails I'm not above issuing a little Mom's Justice.

    Mom's Justice - The Cure for all playground sociology.
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    • Not completely true at all Ernie,you just managed to post before I finished mine. "while some of "us people" wanted PC, there are a good many that didn't and still don't.
      But you are right about some things,some of the parents are as bad if not worse than their kids. Probably the parents are they same people that pushed being PC,because it takes all responsibility as adults and parents off of them.

      Maybe it will get worse before it gets better,but unlike you,I don't think its too late. I actually think more and more people are finally opening their eyes to what is going on.

      Even as a magician I can't put that genni back in the bottle by myself, but with the help of you and you and you and you, together wwe all can.
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  • Terra, (And Kenmichaels),
    Thinking a bit more about it, I can understand why, besides the reasons I already mentioned, they might need monitors. Traffic and roads are not the same as they were when we were growing up. as an example, a two lane road the my bus used to take ,one lane in each direction, is now a 6 lane road. I would rather have the bus driver concentrating on the safe delivery of the kids than having to deal with the bad behaving ones.
    In the short time I watched the film,the camera didn't move much, but even I have a hard time believing every child on that bus was in on the abusive behavior. Who knows, maybe I am wrong,but I'd like to think at least some of them were raised right.
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    • See Kim,

      That's part of the problem. Of course we want our bus drivers concentrating on driving safely, but having noisy, rowdy, rambunctious morons carrying on is a distraction to the bus drivers and puts everyone in jeopardy.

      Also, the kids know which bus drivers will ignore it to focus on safety and thus are the ones that raise the ruckuses.

      I truly believe if names were taken in and reported resulting in suspension of bus privileges, a whole lot of it would stop.

      Terra
  • Kay,
    you called that right.It is psychobabble. Interestingly enough that is a term used to describe telling someone what they want to hear, aka PC.

    If he is licensed,it should be pulled. Too bad any idiot can take a few classes and call himself almost anything nowadays.

    And the tv stations will put anyone on the air,because they don't care about facts anymore,they just want the ratings aka advertiser dollars.
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  • Terra,
    I've been pretty long winded in this thread,but the only point I was trying to make was that I could see a reason for bus monitors now because the driver has a lot more to concentrate on and shouldn't have to worry about being distracted to deal with badly behaving kids.
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    • That's cool, Kim!

      At our age being able to be long winded is a blessing. :p

      Terra
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  • She says she will not quit her job! Police are investigating this incident. There are two similar videos of Karen Klein being harassed.

    Klein says she doesn't want the kids to face criminal charges. She has a much bigger heart than I'll ever have!

    Story here: Fundraising goes viral for victim of school bus taunting

    I remember in the late 80s discussing the future of our kids and the fact they will never have enough juvie detention centers to house them all if they didn't get the train back on track real quick.
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    • She finds riding on the bus in the mornings with special needs kids rewarding and meaningful, but has to ride with the hoolgian middle school kids in the afternoon. I even saw an eloquent statement she made on behalf of special needs kids. It sickens me that someone with such a kind heart would be repeatedly harassed in the most cruel and vicious of ways by those little turd-blossoms in the afternoon -- that video was not just showing an isolated incident.

      I just copied and pasted this below to show Karen Klein's kindness and share her wisdom:

      "Children with special needs don't have an illness, so there is no cure, and it's not contagious. They want what we all want - to be accepted. Most of you won't copy and paste this, but will you do it and leave it on your status for at least an hour? It's Special Education Week and this is in honor of all the kids who need a little extra help and understanding

      Karen Klein"
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    • I never saw anyone say she should quit her job,did someone ask her about that?

      Says she doesn't want the kids to face charges? One of the few times I'm glad the police make that call and not her. They deserve to face charges.
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  • $219,909
    Raised of $5,000 Goal
    30 days left

    /\ she would have to be odds on to make 1 million dollars before time expires if not become a multi millionaire ( if funds are donated as indicated )
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    • The donation site itself has said they're going to make sure she gets every dime, even though the guy who started it seems completely legit. It's annoying he took down his paypal though, he's hurting the potential by doing that, he needs to get a paypal back up or hurry up and switch to karens details.

      It's at
  • Geesh!

    As a parent of two kids that aren't yet school aged, this distresses me a bit.

    I mean, I really have to send my kids out into the world with these mongrels?
  • I don't want to see the kids face charges either. I want to see their parents go postal on them and the school toss them out on their butts for a few weeks. It's complete bull sh** to have the law involved in something that should be between the school, parents, and kids. Gov intervention is exactly where the problem is coming from. The more we allow gov intervention into what should be our own responsibility and privilege, we're going to see things continue to decay.
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    • I agree to a degree.

      For instance, as Kay said, the father of one of the kids had no interest in teaching his child right or wrong and this is happening all over. That is why gangs of kids are killing each other and innocent victims in the streets in broad daylight.

      There does come a point when intervention is needed, and laws are required. I do agree with too much government intervention in some things is a huge problem. But crime is crime and breaking the law is breaking the law. These kids need to learn accountability somewhere since they aren't from home.

      If parents would just do their jobs correctly, we wouldn't even be in this mess!

      Terra
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    • Sal, it would be nice if this scenario were allowed to play out. Unfortunately, the powers to be took those rights away from parents thus allowing for parents to be charged by their own children.

      I agree this is complete bull sh*t.

      Fortunately, we still have some parents who can think for themselves and deal with their kids accordingly. We also have a whole other generation that are not equipped to handle their kids and don't seek help in doing so. We also have the remainder of parents who plain just don't give a sh*t - let society raise them, but if they do wrong, we'll sue their asses off.
  • That's funny, Jody. When I was a teen - around 16 - 17, I threatened to run away a few times. My mother calmly told me: "If you run away, do not expect to come home again. If you are caught, you will live in a government run institution or juvie until you are old enough to live on your own. So you make up your mind real well if it is as bad here as you want to whine about."

    That worked. It worked real well.
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  • One of the few times I'm on the complete opposite side of you Sal, this is exactly when the kids need to be charged. This isn't some harmless little prank where they,contrary to the pxychobabblist said,didn't know the consequences,all they didn't know was that they were going to get caught. Maybe you are right that in a normal world that this should have been able to be handled between the school,the parents and the kids, but our society has tied the hands of the school,if they even want to act,and the lkids parents,if they actually cared about teaching their kids something. The fact is we don't know if wither are even interested in doing anything.

    As far as there being no charges filed because the lady doesn't want any,that is also BS. The fund should have a stipulation on it, no consequences for the juvies,no fund for the lady. As has been pointed out,this was not her "special ed" bus. There should be a special edition of Scared Straight just for the kids that were involved in this.
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  • Exactly, Kim. We need to TAKE the power back. It's time to demand the Dept of Ed be dissolved and take our children back. If we continue to act like slaves - we will continue to be slaves. Our gov is telling us that THEY own our children. That is crap. They are taking authority that they were never intended to have and it's time that parents got together and told them to "take a flying f*** at a rolling donut". Maybe a few abuse of authority - or other class action suits against them would put our leaders heads back in correct perspective. Instead we have people going along with the system that is making us the the #1 litigating country on earth.

    How bout this for a plan if the gov wants to dictate EVERYTHING -- you raise your own kids and if they strike out 3 times, you get sterilized. If you aren't going to be a parent, you aren't going to be allowed to breed.
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  • Kim,

    As per my other response directly above yours.

    If the students cannot be charged, I suggest the School Board implement a summer program for students that misbehave.

    Once a student has racked up enough points, s/he is automatically is enrolled for the entire summer in summer school. The educational programs offered could be in the form of a boot camp for misbehaved kids.

    I would go as far as starting a community garden and having the students tend to it. No, this is not slave labor, simply a reprimand for bad behavior.

    If they learn something from it, maybe they would enjoy a summer of freedom the following year.

    As for the parents, if their kid ends up in summer school, they are automatically required to attend parenting classes etc. If their kid has misbehaved enough to require the punishment, then they need to understand how to deal with the behaviors in the future.
  • Dang Sal, I was typing when you just posted. My response would still be the same as my post above - so yes, let take back the power.
  • Where is the FEAR in all this? When I was in school (and I'm sure a lot of people my age and older will agree), even if you didn't get punished for something you did at school, word WOULD get out and you would damn sure get punished at home -- far worse than what any school officials would do.

    Having taught in the public education system, you don't see that anymore. We're too afraid of damaging our precious little snowflakes' psyches.
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    • Fear? There is none. The exception being students who've had good parents who have done their job right, thus their kids know there will be consequences for their actions from their parents if they do get into trouble.

      So called "Experts" have been conditioning us for years regarding our children's fragile mental state and what they consider to be abuse. The Government simply reinforced the notion by instating laws prohibiting parents from parenting their children as they pleased.

      When I was a kid, if I got into trouble at school, the first thing they did was call home and tell my parents. That was fear enough for me . This doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
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  • Banned
    Everyone keeps saying the lady handled this wrong, thing is If that bus was stopped, chances are the camera would have also stopped filming (evidence).

    Don't take this the wrong way, but that video is what's getting the lady a $280,000 donation with 29 days to go.

    Hopefully she does get that much money & doesn't have to work on a school bus in a shi##y environment.
  • WOW, this restores some of my faith in humanity!

    $294,441
    Raised of $5,000 Goal

    29 days left.
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    • Banned
      It's defiantly moving up:

      $306,076
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    • Kim, I don't understand your reasoning. As far as disciplinary action, the school is doing that.

      I'm not saying I agree with her decision to not have the kids charged. She is however a Grandmother and a Mother who has been through a lot in life. Maybe she has learned a few lessons along the way(?)
  • As you noticed, I deleted my post.
    I feel exactly how I stated in that post though.
    But let me say this, what happened was disgusting in my opinion,but when you are a victim and choose to do nothing, a lot of my sympathy wains.
    It will send a message to kids though, we can do it again, nothing is going to happen.
    Instead she could stand up and say I am not going to let this happen to other senior citizens like myself.Instead I am going to stand tall and send a message that says just because I'm old doesn't mean you can abuse me and not have any consequences.
    I see your statement that the school is going to handle it. Lets revisit the school in a month and see exactly what they did. Maybe they will get two weeks suspension? To a kid with that kind of behavior thats called a vacation.
    As far as her being a Grandmother and a Mother, I'm a Grandfather times 4 and Father times 3,and I've learned a few things along the way too maybe?
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    • If you watch some of her inteviews the woman is not weak, shes strong, shes just very kind hearted and intelligent. Had she did what most would have, it's possible she could of been fired and probably needed her job. Also she mentioned this happened during one of the last few school days before summer so there was no point in reporting it because nothing would happen anyway. I think the woman acted completely appropiate and I'm so happy all the money and love is being out poured to her, because she deserves all of it. Also this video will probably spark many parents to have a talk with their kids about how not to act, which is a great thing for everyone, kids, adults, everyone.
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    • Kim,

      The School Board called the police to begin with. That in itself tells me they will take this matter seriously and issue appropriate punishment.

      I wonder if the viral affect this video has taken on has somewhat overwhelmed Ms Klein. She has been thrust into the limelight.

      Maybe some good can come of this and bullying will take a front seat and be dealt with now. It's been prevalent in schools for ages, yet nothing was being done.
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  • Calling Paypal sometimes works,sometimes doesn't,but the fact is its his choice and for someone that is doing what he is,I find it strange that your criticizing him for that.

    I am talking about her actions after the incident,not during. Or,her lack of action to be more specific.
    To sit there and take it during that specific time might show her intelligence maybe but not necessarily strength.

    Anyway, I don't really have anything more to say on this subject.
    Enjoy.
  • I agree with Sal AND Kim to a degree. The "department of education" is part of the PROBLEM! I have said that in one way shape or form for DECADES! It is a JOKE! Name ONE thing they really do to further education. Even ONE! I bet you couldn't.

    If you gave them truth serum, and asked them what their goal REALLY was, they would say to get more money. They don't care AT ALL about kids or education. Give them more money, and they will squander most of it on their friends.

    If immigration/aliens were reduced, people weren't paid to have kids, the deficits dropped, and the internet was used to do what the promise of TV once was, costs could be cut to practically NOTHING, productivity could shoot up, poverty would be decreased, we could OBLITERATE the DOE, and similar things, AND have a FAR smarter population.

    But #1 would hurt the income of a =bunch of thieves! #2/#7 would hurt kickbacks to their accomplices, #3/#6 would help the US, etc... so I guess that will never happen. IRONIC! They CLAIM the internet is a game changer, but won't use technology that is 100% out there and being used, and could be FREE!!!!!!! IMAGINE, that could save TRILLIONS a year. HECK, just in college text books, we might be talking like $120 per student period.

    OH, and that would cut down DRASTICALLY on car accidents, deaths, and pollution!

    ANYWAY, schools LOVE fights! I don't know why, but they do. Bullies and their parents don't care EITHER! I would like to see jail time for everyone from the kid to the principal, and the parents. But THAT won't happen!

    Steve
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  • Banned
    It's up to $402,279 & still going...
  • Though it is from a person some here hate, I thought he spoke well. I cleaned up the religious content:

    BTW Did you hear? MAYBERRY is fashioned after a REAL place!!!!! Mount Airy, North Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Steve
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    • Kim -

      She explained her lack of action in an interview today - and I think she was right.

      She said she would have been fired had she shouted at the kids or touched them to discipline them. She said she tried to look out the window and ignore them and try to get by until the bus stopped.

      What could she have done? She did try to say some things but didn't help. Did she have to use foul language, too? What would happen to her if she smacked back at the kid who kept poking her in the side?

      Put a bus monitor on board with the physical capability to put those kids back in their seats and shut them up - and the parents of the kids will be suing for "abuse". That's how it works these days.

      Maybe what is needed is to require parents to ride as bus monitors if their kid has caused trouble.
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    • He's hated for good reason - he's truly earned it.



      IMHO Mr. Beck should not be included in any conversation about decent people, decent times and decent things - anything decent.


      TL
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  • Not sure who you are saying is hated, but I've known for years Mayberry was fashioned after Mount Airy.
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    • I'm guessing maybe Glenn Beck from the Glenn mentioned in the article and the clue Steve gave, "religious stuff".

      Terra
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  • Kim,

    Terra nailed it. Funny Terra, I didn't really notice he spoke about prayer, etc... in regular articles. I just removed that, since everything else is stuff I doubt people would complain about. I replaced the two areas mentioning prayer and faith with "...".

    Steve
  • I would love to **** these kids up until no end just to teach them a lesson these little ****ers. So angry after watching that bullying.
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    • You know - I've not read all these posts, and I may have jumped in at the middle of this story as I have only read the main points...

      And I'm ready for the name-calling (haters gotta hate :p) as a devil's advocate...

      But I am failing to see how some mean little kids calling a thin-skinned fat old lady fat is worth a $400,000 "gift vacation" :confused:

      There are a lot of needy people in this world who could benefit from that kind of dough...

      I'm sorry this lady was called names, it wasn't nice, or right, and the kids should be reprimanded -

      but 400K (and counting?) ? Are you kidding me?

      If people can raise this kind of money for things like this, how much could be raised for other causes perhaps a bit more needy? And how many scam artists are going to start preying harder on the sympathetically gullible?

      I know some response may be "you give to who you want to give to, and I'll give to who I want to give to"...but going on 1/2 a million dollar "vacation fund" because someone hurt your feelings sounds a little silly and excessive to me - (jmo)
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  • Hey - a bully beat me up in the 5th grade - start me up a vacation fund...he hurt my feelings too...he made my nose bleed, and he made fun of my curly hair that wasn't very nice...

    I still carry the 'scars'...I thinks a nice 500K would make me feel a whole lot better :rolleyes:
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      You can laugh about it, be sarcastic, whatever, but I'm sure that's why the money is growing so fast.

      My point was, more people are bullied at some point in their life than homeless people or starving people (in US).

      People react ($$) when they think they're part of something.
    • SAME HERE!!!!!! A gang of three kids once hit me in the eye, I got a black eye, and hit my head against the lockers and TRED the concrete. There was NO reason. ANOTHER gang of three, who were TWICE my size, LITERALLY, threatened to break my back if I didn't pay them $.50, which I didn't even think I had. They DID go away no richer. Luckily, they didn't carry out their threat. As an adult, one guy threatened to deck me. I have NO idea why! Another didn't like the fact that I told his wife that she did ENOUGH after she claimed to help me. Hey, it WAS the truth. If I wanted to insult her, I could have done FAR worse.

      And HEY, they found that they could make my name sound like something that is VERY useful! HECK, the world might be VERY different without that material! Anyway, they found a product that would NOT have been able to have been made without that product. They started making it out of that product because the old material was needed for WWII!!!!!! So WWII might have been LOST without that useful product! Don't ask me WHY that product wasn't used in WWII for that item, since they all are NOW! YEP, it was invented before I was born, and is just as important today. If it were made by someone in my family(apparently it wasn't), I would be PROUD!

      BUT, they associated my last name with one of hundreds of THOUSANDS of products that was made with it, and tormented me with THAT!

      BTW on the ONE vacation I took, I had to save the $6000 MYSELF! BTW I had over $4000 left after my 3 week vacation.

      Steve
  • The sarcasm comment hurt my feelings too - send me more money -
    (jk) No, as you pointed out, almost EVERYbody has been there at one point or another...fine, empathise, feel compassion - you want to feel better? do some community service, go volunteer at your local food kitchen - be a big brother or big sister...be a camp counselor at a camp for challenged kids...send the lady a gift certificate for a spa weekend - heck, send her to Jenny Craig if she wants (personally, I don't think she is that overly large at all)...but don't give her $500,000 dollars...

    I sincerely hope the lady does something constructive with the overwhelmingly generous donations...

    I think what made her cry, ultimately, was the general idea that these kids could be so stupidly cruel, not just to her personally - but to anyone...that is what hurt her feelings...

    Karen Klein Bullies Apologize: Boys Express Their Regret On Anderson 360 (VIDEO)
    Karen Klein Bullies Apologize: Boys Express Their Regret On Anderson 360 (VIDEO)
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    • Why do you care how much people give her? What possible business is it of yours? What business is it of yours what she does with it, constructive (in your opinion) or not?

      I hope she 'constructs' a bigass house and lives out the rest of her life without want of money.

      I don't see anywhere that this lady asked for money, unlike your first sentence whine. Unless I'm totally mistaken, someone else set it up.
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  • I'll lay odds that before too much longer, someone in some government position is going to come up with some way to deprive this lady of the majority of the money that is being collected for her.

    Whether it's too much or not enough is not for any of us to say. It is what it is, and people who continue to give have a pretty good idea of the amount that has accumulated - and yet they continue to give.

    I think a lot of people, especially the ones contributing, recognize that the focus on 'kids first' has gone way 'round the bend, past the point of sanity.

    The bus driver didn't turn the bus around and take the kids back because he probably would've gotten fired over it.

    The lady was probably scared to stand up for herself - or she had a sense of decency that said that giving back what you're getting isn't necessarily the right reaction.

    There are no consequences for bad behavior in schools - except for some of the most inane stupid PC dumbass things like scissors in your backpack or having a bottle of aspirin.

    Propriety demands that I stop here. That and the looming spectre of Maxwell's silver hammer on the 'take a vacation' button
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    • ALREADY DONE! like 20% right off the top for TAX!

      Who knows? Still, it is interesting that people don't react the same to money from a lot of jobs.

      Say the truth. PC has said that kids are considered MORONS, and such MORONS are treated like bob was in "road to morocco", as I recall. He acted like a blithering idiot in a marketplace, and was thus allowed to take food, etc... for FREE.

      OH, don't blaming them for damage, theft, abuse, etc.... After all "they are only kids! They don't know any better.". OR the famous "Boys will be boys"!

      This ALSO means that dults are not allowed to TOUCH them! Even speaking harshly can be punished.

      Steve
  • They were poking her? There's a hell of a lot of difference between being mouthy and taking it physical. That kid needed his ass put back in his seat and when he starts poking on people that he is taunting - that is legal grounds to grab his ass and seat it. Those "special needs" kids sound like their special need is a freaking cage.

    Seems like Glen is right - those things are not human children. Scientists say that humans are splitting into two species. Seems like these are members of the degenerated sapiens species.

    As far as the apologies - I'm betting there's parents standing behind them with clubs - PC or not. I imagine they are furious.

    People HAVE to stop being afraid to do the right and logical thing just because our government has become a den of terrorists. Do what is right - if you are fired, at least you still own yourself. There will be others that respect that enough to give you work. You can get back up from being knocked down -- but it's pretty hard to stand up when someone else owns you. You HAVE to own yourself. Nothing will get better until people start realizing and acting on that principle.
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    • Today's kids are just as good/bad as they were in the past. This incident just happened to be recorded and this is a story just because it got on youtube. Here's a story about a bus driver tormenting an autistic boy. Does this mean we can draw similar conclusions about today's adults? Umm, which are us.

      Trial for autistic boy allegedly tormented by bus driver opens - NYPOST.com
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  • I didn't watch the whole video...

    As long as a kids did not put their hands on her or threaten her in any way the criminal justice system is out of the question.

    She should have simply threatened to get the principle and their parents involved and if the kids came from decent homes, I bet that would have stopped the brats in their tracks.


    TL
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    • TL, one or two of the kids were poking her with their finger and with their yearbook. So there was physical contact, but not with great force.

      I mean they didn't smack or punch or kick her, but still, totally unacceptable in my book!

      Terra
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    • Then you watched about maybe a minute,because I only watched about 2 minutes and a kid did put his hand on her.

      I'm not even going to comment on the rest. :rolleyes:
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      I'm sure a lawyer could use that video that went viral on the net as enough evidence to win a court case, If anything for slander.

      A person doesn't have to physically touch another person to get sued.

      BTW, the kids did threaten her If you listen closely to the audio in the OP video, I won't say what they said since it was nasty.
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    TL
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    • Apparently you didn't read the article Steve quoted by Mr. Beck. Like him or not, he was absolutely correct!

      But let's please not make this thread about him.

      Terra
  • Interesting,you were asked to not make this about him yet you still do...
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    • Steve included Beck's "enlightened" thoughts on the issue and I commented on Beck.


      I wonder who slipped in the notion that...


      ... the left is responsible for this horrible behavior into Beck's comments, Steve or Mr. Beck?



      Who's responsible for that attempt to blame people on the left for the behavior of those kids on the bus????



      I have no more to say on that subject.


      TL
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  • I'd last about two seconds as a bus driver or a monitor.
    And I wouldn't be the one crying.

    This type of thing happens every day all across the US (and probably other countries as well).

    The problem that I see is the parents.

    Parents don't parent.

    I volunteered at the school for a reading class. Apparently the kids thought this time would be a free-for-all. Since I was not getting paid and in my opinion, not bound by the rules of not being able to discipline, I let the kids know up front how things were going to work. When they misbehaved I simply used a stern voice and told them to sit down and shut up or they could leave. It worked. And you know, they didn't hate me or show resentment. It was the opposite. They liked me. And showed me respect.

    My son gets bullied on a regular basis.

    One of the kids brought a knife on the bus and threatened my kid. My kid didn't want to tell me about it because he knows I do things a lot different than most parents.

    The next day after the knife incident, I stood at the bus stop and asked if I could ride. Nope. Against the rules. Too bad. I was looking forward to that bus ride.

    I met with the principal and discussed what action was going to be taken.
    The kid who brought the knife got a two week vacation from school.

    When the trouble-making kid returned to school, he was pissed off at my kid and my kid's friends. Mr. Trouble Maker threatened to bring a gun and blow off heads. That's nice. Elementary school and gun threats. If the parents cared, I would have met with them (I already met them and knew it would be a waste of time), but as is the common problem, the parents couldn't care less.

    So off we go again the school to meet with the principal.

    And another vacation for the kid.

    If my kid was one of the bullies, I'd parent. I'm not a perfect parent and I'm not sure I'm doing this "right" but I'm doing the best I can. The first thing that would happen is a loss of all "privileges". No tv, computer, phone, etc. A good ol' grounding/restriction. For a really long time.

    Next would be a trip to juvy where I'd pre-arrange a nice little tour and an overnight visit.

    But you see I don't believe it would down to that for our family because my kid knows that there are consequences for inappropriate behavior.

    There's also teaching that you show compassion to others - the golden rule.

    And the deal about a kid being able to bring up charges against parents for using punishment. That's BS for starters and if my kid brought charges against us, that would be fine. He could spend his life in the system - the same system that gave him the opportunity to press charges against his parents.

    [Sorry for the rant. I just meant this to be a short post but my fingers kept moving.]
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    • I can relate, Lori, and I commend you!

      My son is gifted and so needless to say, he was different and the subject of bullying.

      When I was offered the job in the school district after having a show down with the board of education, heh, heh, I jumped on it.

      When it came to my attention that my son was being bullied, I did take matters into my own hands, job be darned!

      One situation arose after my son's kitten somehow escaped the house and was hit by a car right at the foot of the driveway. To make matters worse, it happened on Valentine's Day.

      My son is very sensitive and wears his heart on his sleeve. Anyway, apparently during school, something reminded him of the horrible incident and he began to cry. He was in fourth grade at the time. When asked what the matter was, he relayed what had happened.

      So a group of bullies made up a song and started singing it to the tune of "Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer" with the following lyrics:

      Kitty got run over by a mack truck, trying to run away from (my son's name)...

      I was livid! After recess, this group was walking down the hall and I called over the leader of the bully pack. He said that whatever I had to say, could be said in front of his friends. I told him to trust me, he didn't want them to hear it. So he came over to me while the rest of them waited.

      I said, "So you think your friends think you're so tough? What do you think they would think if I told them the day you broke your arm on the playground, you kept crying, I want my mommy, I want my mommy? So help me, if you or any of your buddies taunt my son again, I will personally tell each and every one of them what you said. They'll think you're a little sissy and things will never be the same for you."

      His eyes got as big as saucers and he replied, "I'll take care of it, Mrs. Kern."

      For the rest of the school year neither he nor his friends ever taunted my son again. There were other incidents where I pulled kids aside too, and gave them simple little threats. I need an evil smiley, lol!

      You want to know the funny thing though? Those kids could have reported me and I could have lost my job, but none of them did. They no longer bothered my son and actually started calling out, Hi, Mrs. Kern, when they saw me in the hall and the biggest shocker of all was that they began calling me "The Cool Mom"

      A mom's gotta do what a mom's gotta do!

      Terra
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    • I think Kim is right, on our right to agree to disagree on things, Steve, but you are correct in that she certainly did not ask for or expect this kind of sympathetic outpouring from people - she is as surprised as anyone...and much of what I wrote was sarcastic, (the points about volunteering were not ) but only to point out how crazy this response is. It opens up the huge can of worms where kind, caring, and sympathetic people will be besieged by "boo-hoo" causes that will muddy the waters of genuine concerns. The initial request on the donation site for this was $4000 - they got $400,000...crazy? In a word - yes. Is there a place for compassion, sympathy and kindness in the world? You're damn right there is...but we should also be responsive to where that kindness is best put to use. And hey, a trip for 10 people for 3 days all expenses paid is not a bad deal...if you don't mind waiting in lines at Disneyworld.

      I am with you on that first sentence Lori - I was under the impression a bus monitor is there to keep order...at the first sign of this kind of taunting from the kids, I would have asked the bus driver to pull over, and started kicking ass and taking names...as was stated by many, and the victim, individually they might be somewhat 'good' kids...but in a pack mentality things can get out of hand real fast - as the lady said..."I know where they live".
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    • I have ALREADY spoken here about MY experiences like that. I MIGHT do it for my best friend, and would for my own child, but NEVER AGAIN for a group or someone elses.

      Todays laws don't ALLOW parenting! HECK, that father that used the laptop, that he gave his daughter, for TARGET practice got a lot of guff for it! He was just carrying through on a threat. Maybe NEXT time she will see he is SERIOUS!.

      You were lucky! But one reason they treat some so bad is because they know they are 100% SAFE! YOU broke the mold, and caused them to rethink that equation. A GOOD kid, or one at the final chance, would likely do what they did with you. OTHERS mighjt act WORSE!

      WOW! Bullies have a culture PREPARED for such things! The threat is that, if parents are brought in, they will turn up the heat and even ridicule the kid, ESPECIALLY if it happens to be male. They can do this because THE SCHOOL DOESN'T CARE!

      He might have LIKED that!

      YEP, that is part of the fall back.

      You sound like a good parent. A ****LOT**** of people have probably NEVER heard of the golden rule! It is also a part of the judeo christian faith. I once went with a friend to a synagogue and a woman obviously upset the rabi when she INTENTIONALLY modified it. Heck, the parable of the good amaritan even spoke against such changes.

      Yeah, but usually OTHERS bring the charges. 8-(

      Steve
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  • For young people, the moral of the story here is that if they want to make a difference in the life of a poor senior citizen, they should simply taunt her on a bus and post a video of it on the internet. As a result of this, she will receive a large sum of money. This is how you help people, kids. Go and call grandma a fatass - she deserves the money more than anybody else!
  • Oh Terra, that must have been a really difficult time for your son.

    I admire your parenting style. Good for you pulling that kid aside and reminding him of that incident. And it's cool that they respect you and think you're a cool mom. You stood up for your kid.

    Everyone or least the majority of people (kids included) want to be accepted. When normal things don't work, it seems they turn to the bully behavior to get the admiration they are looking for.

    I think it was Jonathan 2.0 who said "kids are our future." The scary part is that the kids are their future. We'll be gone. I can't imagine what kind of a society they will be living in.
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    • Thanks Lori.

      It really was hard for him, especially since his older sisters were well liked and athletic, getting accolades all of the time, while his talents were more scholastic and in art.

      While other little boys were talking about baseball and trucks, he was talking about how many species of snakes there were in each state with artwork demonstrations and naming off all the states and their capitols.

      That really is a scarey thought indeed. We think society is horrible now? Just wait til their generation is in control of things!

      I'm kind of glad I'll be gone, lol!

      Terra
  • Kay,
    What is happening in this thread? I don't understand what you mean is typical of our society.
    We are having a civil discussion of differences of opinions.
    I see people discussing a matter for the most part amicably.
    Only one person has tried to derail it so far that I have seen.

    As far as SteveJohnson, I see you missed the point entirely of my post.
    They were all counterpoints to your comments to 3M.

    I feel sorry for the elderly woman.
    I lose some of that sympathy when I see her say she is not taking any action against the kids.
    She should never have been in that position on that bus in the first place.
    As I said before,its my opinion at that age she should be monitoring elementary children.
    I have never said what she should or should not do with the money.
    I have said I don't think she deserves what has been donated.
    Call me callous, but I DO know people that need and deserve it and have gone through much much more than she did.
    Of course this is all my opinion and everyone is welcome to disagree, I'm still going to like you and consider most of you friends.
  • It seems to me that Karen Klein has been taking abuse for a long time and the videos were just a reflection of that. I don't think the money will erase the pain she has endured, but I hope she uses it to enjoy her life rather than suffering more bullying from people trying to lay guilt trips on her.
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  • @Kim - Karen Klein is a 23 year veteran. She had a job to perform, maybe she didn't have a choice in her duties. Many jobs are like that, you suck it up or you quit or you get fired. We don't know what her options were.

    We don't know if she has a husband, and if so is he bringing a paycheck home or collecting his social security? Could she afford to quit/retire even if she wanted to?

    Maybe Karen had to work to make ends meet. And kudos to her should she continue to work.

    My best friends' dad died last Monday, in the hospital full of bone cancer. He was 81 years old. Until the week before, when he was admitted to the hospital, he was out collecting scrap metal, still working five-six days a week as his pension didn't provide enough for him to live on. So-much-so that he had to leave his apartment and move in with his nephew just to get by.

    Getting old isn't a bed of roses for many. There are countless seniors who should be sitting at home, enjoying their retirement. The reality is just the opposite though.

    I personally find your statement very callous. You are also comparing apple to oranges.

    I think these kids are in for more than they bargained for: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_1...death-threats/
  • Jody,
    you're entitled.
    You are also comparing apple to oranges.
    I don't know what you are addressing though as it has nothing to do with my post.
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    • It has everything to do with the next post, posted by you. I am most certainly not comparing apples to oranges, never have in this thread.

  • I'm amazed at the amount of donations that have poured in for this woman.

    Last I've checked, it was at $534,616.

    That's great and all. Once she gets that money, it's all hers and the tax man's. Not hatin' on her or anything.

    I just think it's inappropriate.

    Again, not hatin' on Karen for it. Good for her.

    It's just that there's Kirstin, who's trying to raise money on that same site. Kirstin would just like $10,000 to afford expenses related to brain surgery. So far, people have donated $218 of the $10,000 needed.

    Kirstin is a person who needs brain surgery to fix a problem from a previous surgery which is causing her pain.

    There's also a little boy on that site whose family is trying to raise money in his battle against leukemia and they've raised only $150 of their $20,000 goal. Battle against leukemia -- Indiegogo

    Not hatin' on the bus monitor. I just think it's absurd.
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      It's like I said earlier, I think people donating money to this lady think they have some type of connection with the lady that was bullied.

      No offense to any other cause, but the majority of the US population will never personally deal with leukemia or brain surgery. The majority of people in the entire world have most likely been bullied at some point in their life (again, who hasn't).
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  • You know Mojo, I'm not either.
    I actually don't hate on 99.999% of any living things.
    I'm just saying the same thing you are basically.
    But people are going to take it the way they want.
    And if I see something I don't feel is right,I'm going to say so.
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  • @Yukon - I agree with your post. There are so many organizations out there that people donate to on a daily basis. These organizations represent a large number of people who are in need of their assistance.

    Last I looked, bullying wasn't one of them.
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    • Okay, here's a thought piggybacking off what Yukon said.

      Bullying is a sign of the times pointing at the degradation of society. People feel helpless in changing the way society has become. A story comes along where someone is negatively effected by societal degradation such as this case of bullying and now they have found a way to lash out at society's failures, buy donating and helping the victim to overcome them. They're talking with their money, saying -Take that you little ________s! (fill in the blank)

      Whereas, as sad as it is, brain surgery and leukemia aren't viewed as the end results of societal degradation and so those people just aren't as moved by it.

      What do you think?

      It's the only reason I can come up with why so many donated to the poor bullied grandmother and not the poor woman and child needing medical funding assistance.

      Terra
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  • I know exactly what I wrote and nothing you are posting has anything to do with it Jody.

    She is a 23 year veteran of what? Her job or military? I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

    Again, there is nothing in your post that addresses what I wrote.But I will address your statements even though they are not about my post:

    @Kim - Karen Klein is a 23 year veteran.
    Already addressed that above.

    "She had a job to perform, maybe she didn't have a choice in her duties. Many jobs are like that, you suck it up or you quit or you get fired. We don't know what her options were."

    I didn't say she shouldn't HAVE a job or IF she had a choice. I didn't say SHE chose it, I said she had no business in that position and that's a stone cold fact.If someone else put her there,that's their bad. Not Hers,not mine, but it is the truth as I see it.

    "We don't know if she has a husband, and if so is he bringing a paycheck home or collecting his social security? ?"

    What does having a husband have to do with it? I never mentioned a husband. But again,I never said she should or needed to quit. But,your putting things that had nothing to do with any post I have made in this thread.

    "Could she afford to quit/retire even if she wanted to?"

    That's has been discussed in several articles.The answer is easy to find.

    "My best friends' dad died last Monday, in the hospital full of bone cancer. He was 81 years old. Until the week before, when he was admitted to the hospital, he was out collecting scrap metal, still working five-six days a week as his pension didn't provide enough for him to live on. So-much-so that he had to leave his apartment and move in with his nephew just to get by."

    I'm sorry your best friends dad died. The fact is that most peoples pension doesn't cover enough to live on. My disability check doesn't cover enough to live on.
    My mother,who is 88 doesn't have enough to live on. And she probably won't be around much longer either. As a matter of fact, my older brother has been depleting his pension to keep my mothers bills paid. Nobody is alone in this situation.

    "Getting old isn't a bed of roses for many. There are countless seniors who should be sitting at home, enjoying their retirement. The reality is just the opposite though."

    Preaching to the choir, though again, my post had nothing on this subject except saying she was placed in a position,whether by choice or not,she should never have been in. earlier in the thread I said the same thing and gave reasons.

    "I personally find your statement very callous. You are also comparing apple to oranges."

    As I said before, you are entitled. But you are the one comparing apples and oranges.
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  • Jody,
    I did read the article.
    But here in the states we call Military people veterans,not civil employees.

    Someone thinking they are suited and actually being suited are two different things.

    You're questioning if she had the means? I believe that was in the same article you questioned if I read. But I may be wrong,I may have read it elsewhere. Either way, it is answered numerous places.

    Getting back to your statement, I know employers dictate positions. Never was in dispute and I have said several times in several threads it was there poor decision ,never blamed her, but just as you said, just stating a fact.

    Jody, I too have been discussing the issue and facts. Except for saying I receive a disability check,where have I brought my health issues into this discussion? I have scrolled up and reread numerous posts to see if I did and don't remember but am not finding anywhere. As a matter of fact I have intentionally tried to leave it out as some might have felt it was self serving,so please,show me.

    As far as making the wrong comparisons, Some, like the veteran statement is cultural difference but not all.
  • The reason the money is pouring in is that people are using dollars to "vote". This type of action has become extremely too prevalent and when children take to terrorizing adults - it's gone hella too far. Yet she kept her chill and acted appropriately to allow herself to keep a job that at her age must be needed, and to keep the discipline to the families, which are owning up to it well, and out of the hands of the government. This woman deserves the "votes" she is getting - because it's not just for her. It's a statement that says we are all just sick to death of this kind of **** and want our parenting rights back and away from the DOE and from Perverted Uncle Sam.

    People are free to use their money any damned way they want to. To say that one donation is inappropriate and another is not is not lucid thinking. You can't tell people they HAVE to give to any particular cause. People, most likely for the reason I just gave, want to fund this woman. So there nothing anyone else has to say about it. It is NOBODY'S place to say that people are acting "inappropriately". Don't like it - tough sh**. I'd dare someone to tell me that I'm donating inappropriately when I chose my charities. While this one might tilt heads a bit - it's the people's choice if they open their purses for her. You don't get to dictate where the dollar from their hand goes.

    There are a LOT of causes and people donate to ALL of them regularly. How many times have you donated to the Cancer Society -- yet they have actually been caught at the game of suppressing real cures.......because once there is a cure that foundation is history and the high paid people at the top are NOT going to let their jobs go away. There's a lot of charities like that. There's no danger to polar bears either according to the scientists that actually monitor them - yet there are charities out there insisting they are dying off and in danger. SO - who's right about giving their money where? Who are any of us to decide what our neighbors do with their money? Is this a dictatorship with thousands of self-proclaimed dictators running around? Maybe THAT is how we lose our freedom. Everyone thinks that everyone else is not living right if they do something they wouldn't do.

    I've been in dire straits before and some donations would have been totally awesome and really a relief. Just because I didn't get them doesn't mean I will dis this woman for what she is getting. More power to her. I hope she blows at least $50K on just fun, treats for her and her hubby -- just because. Likewise - it doesn't matter if the reason people throw their money at her is because "f*** you is why". It's hers now to do with as she pleases so everyone needs to get over it.
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  • Kim,

    I know about the jabs. I react when I probably shouldn't. GEEZ! I guess he feels that I HATE GB(though that is illogical and not true, and he clearly feels I LOVE him), and GB is on this forum(I DOUBT it, and I certainly don't even think he is), and that I was trying to get him in trouble. Again, illogical. Then again, he is likely trying to accuse me of such subterfuge to make me appear even WORSE. I think I have a winner THERE!

    Oh well, I removed that reference. It DOES reference progress, but those, that are for those laws, HAVE openly declared it progress.

    Steve
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  • Steve,
    Thanks come and go,but good friends are forever.
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    • High school students develop app to fight bullying -

      Students at a Connecticut high school developed an app they hope will curb bullying, CNN affiliate WTIC reported. Users can use the app to report bullying they've experienced, even as a witness. The information is anonymous, but goes to administrators, who can look for common threads and patterns in what's reported. The app was designed by students at Metropolitan Business Academy in New Haven, Connecticut, who said they saw it as a way for kids to help other kids.

      High school students develop app to fight bullying – Schools of Thought - CNN.com Blogs
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  • @Kim, my apologies Kim. I misread this statement, and took to mean you need it and have gone through........:

    @Kay, I didn't refer to Kim as callous, I said:

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  • I understand Jody and no harm done.
    I didn't mean that for myself. As I said,I intentionally tried to keep my own issues out of the discussion because I could see some thinking it was self serving.
    As far as myself goes, I have always been grateful for the help and support those here have given me over the years.
    And I have and still will try to pay it forward.
    I am not going to make this thread about me or my issues.
    We can all think and have the beliefs we want,and though I ussually say that's what makes America great, I'll add Canada to that!
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  • Heysal,

    THANKS. Yeah, I have heard some REALLY weird things out there. Jekyll island, for example, sounds like a ridiculous myth, but is proven fact. So is area 51. The black bird... The eximer laser... HECK, one time COMPUTERS seemed like myths. And YEAH, GB and AJ have said some WEIRD things that have panned out.

    NOW, some say that some leaders are reptilian humanoids from outer space. Is THAT real? Probably not. Does it matter? I mean if some people with alien ideas are here to destroy us because of war, or to get something, isn't that ENOUGH to be concerned about? So maybe a person is only 50% correct. If that 50% is material, that is ENOUGH reason to listen.

    BTW about the tin hats. The idea was to keep people out of our brains to keep secrets secret, and keep our identities. Was THAT true? I doubt it. There WAS a rumor about people with rays that could disrupt peoples thinking and attitudes. THAT is possible. STILL, the FACT is that they now have chips that hold keys to our identities and finances that can be read from several feet away. HOW far? WHO KNOWS? They were originally only supposed to work up to a foot, but can easily work several. The chips are in credit cards, debit cards, various ID cards, and passports, and SOME have had them put in their bodies! They are also in CARS in several ways. Apparently phones and computers now have similar things. The solution? A FOIL COVER! AGAIN, does it matter if the reason is slightly different?

    Steve
  • Don’t Take That Money, Bullied Bus Lady
    - Adrian Chen
    When Anderson Cooper asked Karen Klein, the now famous bullied bus monitor, if she ever expected the outpouring of support that has so far raised over half a million dollars for her, she responded: "No, never. I mean I don't feel like I've done anything, you know." The fact that Klein didn't do anything to deserve it is just one of many reasons why she should decline the money raised in her name.

    A fundraiser on the crowd-sourcing site IndieGogo has currently raised $567,068 for Karen Klein, the Upstate New York bus monitor who was filmed being brutally harassed by a bunch of ****head kids. Now the windfall is overshadowing the harrowing video that sparked it. The story of the bus monitor has turned from heartrending tragedy to uplifting miracle, thanks to the internet. Everyone wins, right?

    Continued: Don't Take That Money, Bullied Bus Lady
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      I think it's a wonderful example of the power of The Internet.
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  • Although I can see many good points being raised here, I think that if I had to undergo kidney dialysis for many years and had to see friends losing a battle or barely holding onto straws, some due to lack of money, that I may be seeing things in a different way.

    Just sayin'.

    It would be hard for me to witness this amount of money going to a healthy woman that could most likely sustain herself into retirement while I was witnessing people losing their lives due to lack of coin.

    I do not see that because I haven't experienced it. I think if I did though, I'd probably be kind of upset, even knowing that she has the right to this money and that people have the right to give it to her.

    Cathy
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    • I'm more annoyed by the money squandered on parades, security, and pomp for the inbred Family's royal visits.
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    • The article makes Chen seem like an idiot to me.

      Psycho babble from someone unqualified to be babbling. The author has no idea what the woman's life is like and no basis to assume her life is "dull". Who donated - or why they did it - is equally none of Chen's business.

      Discussing an event like this can be entertaining - presuming to tell one of the people involved what they "should" do is my definition of "obnoxious".

      That's the kind of idiocy I'd been hoping not to see.
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  • No Tim, that's not my "evidence" that's called an example.
    I give 1 example,you give 3,and that makes your argument the stronger one?
    Where is your evidence that they are no worse?
    I'll bet you can't provide any.
    But I also bet if you pull the government statistics from one of the years of your examples and compare them to any within the last 5 years,or even match year by year,say pull 1974 and match it with 2004, I'm pretty sure that the records will indicate what I said was more in touch with reality than what you said.
    Crime like you gave as examples were not common place like crimes by kids these days are. You want more examples? We have had kids killing over tennis shoes, we have elementary,middle,and high school kids sneaking weapons into the school with intent to harm,and sadly way too many have succeeded.
    I really don't need to go on.
    All you have to do is open your eyes to see what I am saying.
    So what are we talking about? Oh yeah,kids that bullied an elderly woman.
    Which if it happened when I was growing ,well it wouldn't have happened.The jocks on the bus would not have let it
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    • Kim, you said my post was "absolutely incorrect" but you don't have any of those statistics you are asking me to come up with. It's your opinion against mine basically. I think today's media, including social media, takes something like this and exposes it to millions. If it wasn't for that video camera and youtube we wouldn't be talking about this. I'm also pretty sure, can't prove it though, that in the past young kids have bullied senior citizens.

      By the way, I wasn't "berating" you as Steve suggested. Just presenting a different opinion. Perhaps I should have put a smiley face after the sentence about evidence so my intent of the post
      was better understood. :/ <<<< "disappointed I didn't use a smiley smiley"

      By the way, I would think examples are forms of evidence.
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    • Not sure about that...I was one of those "jocks" and I'm pretty sure I would have been busy taking Seasoned's lunch money.
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    • Not cool to be stupid, either, but clearly it happens.
    • It's not cool to post drive by one liners that are pointless and really aren't pertinent to the threads they're posted in, but uncool people seem to still do it. :rolleyes:

      Terra
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  • Umm, yeah...Cain and Abel? You can't get much earlier than that...so apparently kids were bad from the get go...:rolleyes:

    (*is this considered a 'drive-by' snarking? )

    btw: Somebody should do a remake of "The Bad Seed"...
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  • Yeah, I tried VERY hard to lose weight. In a few months, I lost about 40 pounds! I was ON MY WAY. Through an interesting quirk of fate, no fault of my own, I gained every blasted pound back. It is actually harder to lose the weight now. I actually don't eat that much, and eat less than many even recommend.

    Some people have various problems that make them gain weight even QUICKER than I do, and women typically have a HARDER time losing, so it is kind of dumb to push her like that. Kids require a LOT more calories per pound if they do NOTHING, and generally do a lot more physical activity, and their endocrine systems are OPTIMAL. They are all amped up between about 8 and 20 and ESPECIALLY between 11 and 16, so they have NO idea what such problems are like.

    Now MOST people usually wouldn't really think of me as FAT, but a bit over 30% of americans are, according to BMI, at LEAST as bad as I am. ALMOST 30% of british people are.

    MMM as I recall, they DID! Didn't mccauley caulkin star in a remake?

    Steve
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    • Why don't you post a photo Steve and we'll all give you an honest answer about that?
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  • If anyone wants to lose weight, and understand the reasons why so many people are overweight. Have a look at the video: Sugar:The Bitter Truth, by Dr Robert Lustig, it's on youtube, he explains the reasons, with science.

    The Paleo diet is one I have been looking at and it looks logical, but I would not stick to it rigidly, Mat Lallonde a biochemist has interesting things to say about it, have look on youtube,
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    • Yeah, we KNOW! MOST are overweight because of having diets that are relatively high glycemic, or high calorie, and not having enough activity to burn it off. That is ESPECIALLY true if they don't get enough protein. That is far from a mystery, and never really was a mystery. over 40 years ago I heard perhaps the ONLY TV program in my area to discuss nutrition, and that was one thing that ALWAYS came up. Of course, some are predisposed to that, or have illnesses that make things WORSE.

      So what is MY problem? I was in a work environment with a LOT of cigarette smoke, and ended up drinking soda like there was no tomorrow. Eventually, I got hungry for a snack and into the habit of getting things off a truck, and the only thing *I* would touch had empty calories. I LOVED my job so I was there early and stayed late, and my boss was harsh, so I often couldn't leave. I went from someone MOST would call thin, to overweight.

      It seems whenever I am in a situation to lose weight, something goes wrong, etc... So that hurts being able to keep on it. The last time I lost weight, and I lost a LOT fast, by the way, I was on a VERY high protein low fat, low carb, diet.

      BTW in a way, I am actually HAPPY that where I work, every other week, now is SO huge that I have to walk about 4 blocks to get from the parking lot to my seat. There is even an obstacle course, that may be like a block, to get to the nearest snacks. It looks almost like a forest, complete with trees and uneven land, and that is why they have stones unevenly placed at different angles to get to the snack area at the other side. It is probably like 3 blocks to the cafeteria, because it is so large. Still, many of the people there are NOT thin, and most of them look worse than I do, so I have little hope of THAT helping. 8-( At least I should FEEL a bit better.

      Thanks for your concern, but I was just empathsizing with the woman, and explaining why it is ESPECIALLY bad that they taunt her like that. HECK, she could have cushings, or some similar disorder.

      BTW want to have a HINT of how bad I am, and how many are the same way, with REAL facts? I tried going to a store for fat people. It is hard to find ANYTHING my size, and I never did find any pants that small. I go to a regular store, but they APPEAR to often not have my size. My waist is just a few inches larger than their most popular size. I recently spoke to a couple people that stocked those stores, and they said that whenever they come in, they are snapped up QUICKLY!

      So you can see that a LOT of people are heavier than I am, I am a few inches smaller than before the market switches over, and a lot of people are roughly the size I am. Now that woman would have had an easier time finding things at the store for bigger people, ar least if women had the same basic clothing problems.

      Steve
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  • I'm new here, but...dafuq? What do any of these recent replies have to do with the old bus monitor? Forums will be forums...
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    • This is OFF Topic forum...that should be enough to answer your question.
  • The punishment has been announced. I think it's fair and appropriate.

    Source: Greece students involved in bullying school bus monitor suspended from school for one year | www.WHEC.com
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    • [quote=waterotter;6524660]The punishment has been announced. I think it's fair and appropriate.
      The punishment has been announced. I think it's fair and appropriate.

      Is this the Senior Citizen they're going to get? :p

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    • I don't think the anti-bullying program is going to have any impact. Programs like that presuppose that the participants actually care about the feelings of other people...

      I'm surprised that there (so far) haven't been lawsuits filed against the victim by a bottom-feeding attorney asserting that the families of the perps are entitled to a chunk of the money in the sympathy fund, on the grounds that had the perp children acted as they did, the sympathy fund would not exist.
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  • They probably don't care!

    I hope that is a year when they need it.

    I hope they don't like it.

    Now THAT could be punishment!

    Probably an overpaid bully that will just go through the motions! DON'T expect much!

    Steve
  • This is really sickening. poor lady. I woulda knocked those kids out and not felt bad about it.
  • Woah, that kid deserves a 3 hour whooping
  • It was really sad to see this. These kids really need to learn some manners. What's even worse is that these kids seem to come from good families. I hope she complains to the school authority or to the parents.
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    • I hope everybody knows what happened later with this woman and kids. There was fundraising done for her by some folk from Canada and she end up getting 700000 check. Money were donated by people who were feeling bad for her after watching this 'bullying' video. She can retire now and go to some good vacation. Boys who were bullying her were suspended for a year from school.
      It is pretty inspiring to see that this women got good payoff for this incident.
      It keeps reminding me about the power of Internet and what can it do.
      It kind of makes me think what can it do for your business as well if it set up right.
      I will try to post a link below to the article. If link would not show up in some reason, just Google it and check for updates of this story.

      NEWSTALK 1010 - IN-DEPTH RADIO :: Bullied Woman Picks Up Cheque - Local News :: Local News Stories
  • This is exactly the reason why I asked my parents to take me out of school and homeschool me. I finished 2 years early putting me 2 years ahead of my "peers". I couldn't stand the kids any longer. I was almost blown up with a fire cracker and the school did nothing. They told my parents to call the police and make a report. They did and the police told them to complain to the school. I couldn't take the abuse any longer. There were other instances too.
  • MELODIKA.net - Teen Idol, BREJ, joins forces with Karen Klein Anti-Bullying Foundation to help spread social media
  • Does anybody know if these anti-bullying programs actually work? I have my doubts, but would like to know if anybody has some solid research to back up the idea that these anti-bullying programs are effective.
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    • I ran an anti-bullying campaign when I was in school. I would visit the homes of bullies and beat them up. It was a very effective program.


      (That was a joke, sort of. Based on a true story)
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