Prison For Linking to a Website?

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I'm on a list for petitions. Just got this email. The far-reaching arm of the US appears to be in play here. What's next?

Two years ago, Richard O'Dwyer was in his second year of college in the U.K. In his spare time he ran a website that acted as a search engine for users to find links to watch TV and movies online.

He respected the rules -- deleting content when he received requests to remove it. But despite this, he's now been accused of copyright violation and could face 10 years in a U.S. prison, after the British Home Secretary, Theresa May, signed an extradition order in March.

Richard is not a U.S. citizen, he's lived in the U.K. all his life, his site was not hosted there, and most of his users were not from the U.S. The U.S. is trying to prosecute a U.K. citizen for an alleged crime which took place on U.K. soil.


Given the thin case against him, it is an outrage that he is being extradited to the U.S. to face charges. That's why I've just launched a petition on Change.org to stop his extradition -- and why I hope you will sign it today. Click here to sign the petition.


When I met Richard, he struck me as a clean-cut, geeky kid. Still a student, he reminds me of many great entrepreneurs and the kind of person I can imagine launching the next Wikipedia or YouTube.


Copyright matters but from the beginning of the internet, we have seen a struggle between the interests of the "content industry" and the general public.

Richard is the human face of that battle, and if he's extradited and convicted, he will bear the very real human cost.

The internet as a whole must not tolerate censorship as a response to mere allegations of copyright infringement. As citizens we must stand up for our rights online.


Together, the public won the battle against SOPA and PIPA. We proved that when we work together we can protect freedom on the internet. Together, I know we can win this battle too.


Join me and sign my petition to stop the extradition of UK citizen Richard O'Dwyer.


Thanks,

- Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia Founder
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    I "think" I signed it.
    I've signed several on change.org before but toay it seemed to act a bit strange.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    That's crazy how that could happen. I bet the only thing that's really holding that case up is pride. Despite seeing how the guy from the UK followed the rules, the prosecutor just can't let go.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Done, Lori!

      Thanks for the heads up. United we stand!

      Terra
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    I just signed it also. I'm on a long list of petitions there!
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    I have read somewhere (maybe here on the forum) that any website with the .com .net & .org I believe are rule by the US no matter which country you live. Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
    Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

    Richard is not a U.S. citizen, he's lived in the U.K. all his life, his site was not hosted there, and most of his users were not from the U.S.
    That is true but it was US copyrighted films and TV programmes that he was linking to and when the US pulled his site down he promptly set another one up.

    So I guess they thought, sod it let's go and get him.

    Personally I think a £5000 fine should suffice. Doubt he'll do it again and probably genuinely did not know that he was committing a crime.

    Interestingly this week in the UK there has been the topic of Extradition to the US brought up by a Conservative MP.

    US pop = 360,000,000
    UK pop = 60,000,000

    Yet the UK extradites 7 times more people to US than US to the UK. Students and Grandfathers seem to be the latest thing. Such threats to the US.

    Dan

    PS: His mother is a community nurse working with terminally ill children. That sounds like a front to a highly organised criminal gang if you ask me.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

      That is true but it was US copyrighted films and TV programmes that he was linking to and when the US pulled his site down he promptly set another one up.
      I'm confused. So he was basically acting as an online TV/Movie guide?

      I don't see the harm or foul in that, unless they were paid programming and he pirated them and then offered them to viewers for free.

      What am I missing?

      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    He's running a link farm for illegal file sharing.

    I don't feel sorry for the guy, he knew exactly what he was doing. He thought he could bypass getting into trouble & still corral all the illegal download traffic at the same time.

    How many times do I see people on this forum complain because people are stealing their WSOs, etc... & sharing them on Bl@ck Hat sites/forums. :rolleyes:

    Make up your minds, are you against promoting stolen content or are you for stealing content?
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Yukon,
    I do not condone what he did, I am against illegal file sharing,but I am also a firm bel;iever that the punishment should fit the crime.
    This clearly does not,which is why I signed the petition.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Well I am just reading today's online Mail and spotted this.

      Shawn Sullivan: America's most wanted paedophile wins fight to stop extradition from UK | Mail Online

      Americas most wanted Paedophile lives in the UK, was given an extradition order by the Home Secretary Theresa May and some Judges over-ruled it today.

      So we send a kid and grandfather over but keep a Paedophile.

      The comments by readers sum up how many think UK is turning out to be.

      Dan
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Yukon,
      I do not condone what he did, I am against illegal file sharing,but I am also a firm bel;iever that the punishment should fit the crime.
      This clearly does not,which is why I signed the petition.
      What's the difference between this guys illegal file sharing site & an offline guy providing free space to thousands of thieves giving away stolen property?

      This guy created the entire situation on his own, knowing it's wrong to provide access to stolen content. He didn't post 1 or 2 links to illegal content, he posted thousands of links (not that link volume matters).

      I'm really surprised people are openly supporting theft, on this forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        What's the difference between this guys illegal file sharing site & an offline guy providing free space to thousands of thieves giving away stolen property?

        This guy created the entire situation on his own, knowing it's wrong to provide access to stolen content. He didn't post 1 or 2 links to illegal content, he posted thousands of links (not that link volume matters).

        I'm really surprised people are openly supporting theft, on this forum.
        I see no one doing that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        What's the difference between this guys illegal file sharing site & an offline guy providing free space to thousands of thieves giving away stolen property?

        This guy created the entire situation on his own, knowing it's wrong to provide access to stolen content. He didn't post 1 or 2 links to illegal content, he posted thousands of links (not that link volume matters).

        I'm really surprised people are openly supporting theft, on this forum.
        There was a West Wing episode called "A Proportional Response."

        Essentially, a US plane was shot down killing a few people. President Bartlett in
        response wanted to bomb the whole country.

        When he was presented with a plan by the joint chiefs, which just knocked
        out a couple of targets, Bartlett thought it was a joke what they planned to
        do in response. It was hardly anything. He then demanded that they come
        up with something better.

        When they did, it was totally devastating. It would have literally destroyed
        the country.

        That was when Fitz finally pointed out to Bartlett that essentially what he
        wanted to do was to dole out $5,000 worth of punishment for a 50 buck
        crime.

        The point is, yes, what this kid did was wrong. He should be punished. Fined
        in fact. But 10 years in prison for what he did is essentially doling out $5,000
        worth of punishment for a 50 buck crime.

        If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you.

        I'm just not glad you're not in charge of our judicial system.

        Kids shoplifting bubble gum from a candy store will end up doing 5 years at
        Levinworth at hard labor.
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        • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          There was a West Wing episode called "A Proportional Response."

          Essentially, a US plane was shot down killing a few people. President Bartlett in
          response wanted to bomb the whole country.

          When he was presented with a plan by the joint chiefs, which just knocked
          out a couple of targets, Bartlett thought it was a joke what they planned to
          do in response. It was hardly anything. He then demanded that they come
          up with something better.

          When they did, it was totally devastating. It would have literally destroyed
          the country.

          That was when Fitz finally pointed out to Bartlett that essentially what he
          wanted to do was to dole out $5,000 worth of punishment for a 50 buck
          crime.

          The point is, yes, what this kid did was wrong. He should be punished. Fined
          in fact. But 10 years in prison for what he did is essentially doling out $5,000
          worth of punishment for a 50 buck crime.

          If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you.

          I'm just not glad you're not in charge of our judicial system.

          Kids shoplifting bubble gum from a candy store will end up doing 5 years at
          Levinworth at hard labor.
          what a pity the same compassion was not extended to kim dotcom, especially now, as the search warrants used have been declared illegal by the politically independent New Zealand high court.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

            what a pity the same compassion was not extended to kim dotcom, especially now, as the search warrants used have been declared illegal by the politically independent New Zealand high court.
            Lol, so you lost an affiliate account or stolen content, FREE WILLY!
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            • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Lol, so you lost an affiliate account or stolen content, FREE WILLY!
              free willy, good movie, must go download it
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          There was a West Wing episode called "A Proportional Response."

          Essentially, a US plane was shot down killing a few people. President Bartlett in
          response wanted to bomb the whole country.

          When he was presented with a plan by the joint chiefs, which just knocked
          out a couple of targets, Bartlett thought it was a joke what they planned to
          do in response. It was hardly anything. He then demanded that they come
          up with something better.

          When they did, it was totally devastating. It would have literally destroyed
          the country.

          That was when Fitz finally pointed out to Bartlett that essentially what he
          wanted to do was to dole out $5,000 worth of punishment for a 50 buck
          crime.

          The point is, yes, what this kid did was wrong. He should be punished. Fined
          in fact. But 10 years in prison for what he did is essentially doling out $5,000
          worth of punishment for a 50 buck crime.

          If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you.

          I'm just not glad you're not in charge of our judicial system.

          Kids shoplifting bubble gum from a candy store will end up doing 5 years at
          Levinworth at hard labor.
          I don't think you realize how much money (millions) is involved in illegal downloads.

          This guy did the same thing as megaupload.com did, only with a twist, he thought he could create the same type of illegal file sharing with the files hosted on external sites (wrong answer).

          If you think this is bubble gum & rainbows, your wrong.

          I run 3 download sites that I own (2.5K+ pages), I created 100% of the content myself (100% legal), I've had plenty of aholes try & steal my content & pass it off as their own.

          I guarantee anyone in this forum thread would be pissed off If this guy was stealing their paid content. Providing access to stolen products makes a person just as guilty as actually stealing a product.

          I'll save this thread for later on when people on this forum start complaining that people are stealing their content. :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            I don't think you realize how much money (millions) is involved in illegal downloads.

            This guy did the same thing as megaupload.com did, only with a twist, he thought he could create the same type of illegal file sharing with the files hosted on external sites (wrong answer).

            If you think this is bubble gum & rainbows, your wrong.

            I run 3 download sites that I own (2.5K+ pages), I created 100% of the content myself (100% legal), I've had plenty of aholes try & steal my content & pass it off as their own.

            I guarantee anyone in this forum thread would be pissed off If this guy was stealing their paid content. Providing access to stolen products makes a person just as guilty as actually stealing a product.

            I'll save this thread for later on when people on this forum start complaining that people are stealing their content. :rolleyes:
            You still don't get it. Yes I will complain. I do complain. It happens to me all
            the time. But these people should be fined, not sent to prison for 10 years.

            You do realize that for manslaughter in most states the prison term is about
            15 years?

            You're going to compare this to killing somebody?

            Never mind. You don't get it and it's pointless arguing with you.

            Like I said, I'm glad YOU aren't in charge of our judicial system.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              You still don't get it. Yes I will complain. I do complain. It happens to me all
              the time. But these people should be fined, not sent to prison for 10 years.

              You do realize that for manslaughter in most states the prison term is about
              15 years?

              You're going to compare this to killing somebody?

              Never mind. You don't get it and it's pointless arguing with you.

              Like I said, I'm glad YOU aren't in charge of our judicial system.


              Lol, your not arguing with me, your arguing with yourself.


              You're going to compare this to killing somebody?
              Killing someone? What in the world are you talking about? That comment is weird/random at best.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Lol, your not arguing with me, your arguing with yourself.




                Killing someone? What in the world are you talking about? That comment is weird/random at best.
                Whatever.

                On another note, the Mets are on the West Coast tonight so I won't get to
                see the whole game.

                Bummer.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    i do not sign many petitions. i will sign this one, proudly
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I have to ask, did you even read the first post in this thread and the articled it linked to?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I have to ask, did you even read the first post in this thread and the articled it linked to?
      Save your breath Kim. He's beyond reachable.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    First off, you people aren't lawyers so stop acting like one.

    This thread is so bias its not even funny. He "played by the rules" YEH OK, by stealing peoples copyrighted material? How is that playing by the rules?

    Its clearly not. The guy is a theif, you steal from people, you go to prison.

    I don't care if you stole bread, or a cd, its still stealing.

    Furthermore, where is the discovery packet outlining his charges? I haven't seen it, has the OP?

    If not (which I'm assuming you haven't) I don't understand how you can assume you know everything about this kids case.

    I've been locked up myself and guess what? I got very unfairly treated too. I bitched and whined, then I got a 7 year flat sentence for first time POSSESSION charges of a cds. I just so happened to be right within the border of 2 school zones, schools I couldn't even see, but still got charged for it.

    My family got the best lawyer they could, he told me straight out "you broke the law and thats ALL that matters".

    If the US didn't have the right to be prosecuting this kid they wouldn't try. They obviously have the right.

    I had to sleep with 3 convicted murderers, one had a 7 year flat just like I did. Don't you think that ate me up every single night I went to sleep?

    My bunky killed someone, I had a bag in the wrong place, but we both got the same sentence?

    Well GUESS WHAT? When I read his case after 6 months of living with the guy, I totally changed my mind. Murder cases are nowhere as simple as most people think. There are so many factors to consider its not even funny.

    Here is another common scenario. When I hit the papers the media printed that I was facing up to 15 years, it was total bs. Charges are almost ALWAYS downgraded, and he will not get 10 years. I guarantee it.

    If he DOES get prison time, maybe he'll learn not to steal again.
    I sure as hell learned my lesson.

    If you want to talk about stupid laws talk about the thousands of laws you can't do a thing about. Did you know if you in your in possession of an AIR POWERED RUBBER PELLET gun you will be charged with weapons charges in NJ?

    Thats not fair either.

    STILL, people are smart enough to be AWARE OF RULES. International copyright infringement can and SHOULD be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    These big businesses in US invest millions of dollars to make these movies that you people like to believe we should all have the right to steal. So he should just pay a fine right?! So whats fair to you guys like $500... $1000?

    BECAUSE **BILLIONS OF DOLLARS** ARE LOST EVERY YEAR AROUND THE WORLD DUE TO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
    Can you tell me how much $ this kid costed these places? Very likely not. I'm assuming its a lot otherwise they woudn't be up his ass so hard.

    If I walk into someones business and steal even a few hundred thousand dollars, how is it any different than robbery? What is the fair sentence for that? Just a fine?

    All I'm saying is laws might seem unfair, at least untill you're on the victim side of things. Thats the side very few people like to talk about it.

    Untill I see his exact charges, I will not say 100% either way what I think should happen. But if you don't think international copyright infringement shouldn't be prosecuted, I have no idea what world some of you people are living in.

    If he stole a couple movies US is obviously not going to extradite him over something like that. Common sense should tell people theres a lot more to this case than they're hearing.

    If someone has a problem with this comment, do me a favor and find his discovery packet, because untill I see that I sure as hell am not signing any petition. If stealing copyrighted material is legal in UK, let him STEAL FROM THE UK. Aside from that, this is NOT a violation of our human "rights". You commit a crime, you lose most of your natural born rights.

    Thats how the world works. Not sure what else needs to be said.

    -Red

    ps. I saw the kids picture, he looks real clean cut. I'm sure thats also distracting a lot of people too. I guarantee if this kid was a different race, or even had a beard, long grown out hair, oily skin, people wouldn't give a damn about whats happening to him. Life is unfair, great, **** happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      You commit a crime, you no longer have rights.
      Bollocks.

      You have the right to a fair and open trial.

      You have the right to remain silent.

      You have the right to not have to prove your innocence, the plaintiff must prove (beyond all reasonable doubt) that you are guilty

      You have the right to hear all the evidence against you.

      You also have the right to appeal against any judgement made against you.

      If you disagree with any of these things, then perhaps you should move to North Korea.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      First off, you people aren't lawyers so stop acting like one.

      This thread is so bias its not even funny. He "played by the rules" YEH OK, by stealing peoples copyrighted material? How is that playing by the rules?

      Its clearly not. The guy is a theif, you steal from people, you go to prison.

      I don't care if you stole bread, or a cd, its still stealing.

      Furthermore, where is the discovery packet outlining his charges? I haven't seen it, has the OP?

      If not (which I'm assuming you haven't) I don't understand how you can assume you know everything about this kids case.

      I've been locked up myself and guess what? I got very unfairly treated too. I bitched and whined, then I got a 7 year flat sentence for first time POSSESSION charges of a cds. I just so happened to be right within the border of 2 school zones, schools I couldn't even see, but still got charged for it.

      My family got the best lawyer they could, he told me straight out "you broke the law and thats ALL that matters".

      If the US didn't have the right to be prosecuting this kid they wouldn't try. They obviously have the right.

      I had to sleep with 3 convicted murderers, one had a 7 year flat just like I did. Don't you think that ate me up every single night I went to sleep?

      My bunky killed someone, I had a bag in the wrong place, but we both got the same sentence?

      Well GUESS WHAT? When I read his case after 6 months of living with the guy, I totally changed my mind. Murder cases are nowhere as simple as most people think. There are so many factors to consider its not even funny.

      Here is another common scenario. When I hit the papers the media printed that I was facing up to 15 years, it was total bs. Charges are almost ALWAYS downgraded, and he will not get 10 years. I guarantee it.

      If he DOES get prison time, maybe he'll learn not to steal again.
      I sure as hell learned my lesson.

      If you want to talk about stupid laws talk about the thousands of laws you can't do a thing about. Did you know if you in your in possession of an AIR POWERED RUBBER PELLET gun you will be charged with weapons charges in NJ?

      Thats not fair either.

      STILL, people are smart enough to be AWARE OF RULES. International copyright infringement can and SHOULD be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

      These big businesses in US invest millions of dollars to make these movies that you people like to believe we should all have the right to steal. So he should just pay a fine right?! So whats fair to you guys like $500... $1000?

      BECAUSE **BILLIONS OF DOLLARS** ARE LOST EVERY YEAR AROUND THE WORLD DUE TO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
      Can you tell me how much $ this kid costed these places? Very likely not. I'm assuming its a lot otherwise they woudn't be up his ass so hard.

      If I walk into someones business and steal even a few hundred thousand dollars, how is it any different than robbery? What is the fair sentence for that? Just a fine?

      All I'm saying is laws might seem unfair, at least untill you're on the victim side of things. Thats the side very few people like to talk about it.

      Untill I see his exact charges, I will not say 100% either way what I think should happen. But if you don't think international copyright infringement shouldn't be prosecuted, I have no idea what world some of you people are living in.

      If he stole a couple movies US is obviously not going to extradite him over something like that. Common sense should tell people theres a lot more to this case than they're hearing.

      If someone has a problem with this comment, do me a favor and find his discovery packet, because untill I see that I sure as hell am not signing any petition. If stealing copyrighted material is legal in UK, let him STEAL FROM THE UK. Aside from that, this is NOT a violation of our human "rights". You commit a crime, you lose most of your natural born rights.

      Thats how the world works. Not sure what else needs to be said.

      -Red

      ps. I saw the kids picture, he looks real clean cut. I'm sure thats also distracting a lot of people too. I guarantee if this kid was a different race, or even had a beard, long grown out hair, oily skin, people wouldn't give a damn about whats happening to him. Life is unfair, great, **** happens.
      out of interest, what was the cd, 'jail break?' by thin lizzy or 'dirty feeds done dirt cheap' by ac/dc? perhaps
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    " I bitched and whined, then I got a 7 year flat sentence for first time POSSESSION charges of a cds.I just so happened to be right within the border of 2 school zones, schools I couldn't even see, but still got charged for it. "

    You got 7 years for shoplifting a cd?
    And what does being in a school zone have to do with it?

    Your whole post is pretty incoherent to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
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    Great, he still has 5 rights left. As quickly as you jumped on that just further proves to me that you can't actually make a case FOR the kid. Otherwise this is just petty arguing now.

    If thats what makes you happy, then I'm proud for you. Still doesn't change the fact that this thread is pointless. Second they sentence the kid he has very few if any rights left, he will be locked in a cell, and you can scream at him all day "you still have rights", but he will still be treated like a dog just because he broke the law.

    Thats what happens in this world when you commit crimes. I'm a living testament to that fact.

    I'll edited the post for anyone else who wants to get off topic.

    btw - change the name of the thread from "prison for linking to a website" to "PRISON FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT" there is a big difference since people want to argue over words now.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Oh come on Red, we know u gansta.
    As quickly as whateverpedia shows me he has a brain and know how to think.

    If the thread is pointless,why are you participating?

    That's what happened to you? Maybe the attitude you had going in may have contributed to that?

    You don't have to edit any post.In case you didn't notice you ARE posting in the Off Topic forum?

    As far as changing the name of the thread? well,that's the OPs option,but I personally don't see it happening. You are free to start your own thread with that title though if you want.

    As far as arguing over "words", most of us are discussing our opinion of something,but I'm not arguing over anything with anyone here.

    IMO,you have made the most argumentive posts in this thread so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      ah the self-righteous, the haters...

      don't you just love 'em?

      theft is wrong, copyright infringement is wrong. The kid should be punished.

      But let the punishment fit the crime.

      end of story.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        ah the self-righteous, the haters...

        don't you just love 'em?

        theft is wrong, copyright infringement is wrong. The kid should be punished.

        But let the punishment fit the crime.

        end of story.
        Basically what most of us are saying and in agreement on Karen.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        ah the self-righteous, the haters...

        don't you just love 'em?

        theft is wrong, copyright infringement is wrong. The kid should be punished.

        But let the punishment fit the crime.

        end of story.

        What's sad is the folks promoting thieves, but hey, he didn't steal from you so that makes it ok. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I don't sympathize on this one. We don't know what penalty he would get - only what the maximum penalty is for this crime.

          This is not a kid - he's 24 now. Launched a site at age 19 in 2007 that knowingly linked to pirated products on sites like megaupload.

          His domain was confiscated in 2010 - he immediately RELAUNCHED the site on a .cc and continued. Five months later that site was confiscated.

          He respected the rules -- deleting content when he received requests to remove it.
          If you contacted him to say "stop telling people where they can steal my product" - he'd remove the link. But he knowingly linked to stolen products on piracy sites.

          He was asked to come and face the charges - and he refused. His stonewalling led to the extradition filing.

          I think he needs to man up and face the charges and get it behind him. I don't think he's a bad person - but he associated with bad sites and continued after being warned.

          Honestly, I think had prosecutors known the trouble this extradition would cause, it would not have been filed. However, at this point I don't think the US will back down.

          There's a group of computer users who find excitement in operating on the edge of "bad". They aren't bad enough themselves to be real crooks or hackers but they like being recognized as part of that "bad boy" culture. They don't steal products - but they provide access links to stolen material. They don't hack into or damage sites but they will participate in DDoS attacks. Sometimes they step over the line.
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          What's sad is the folks promoting thieves, but hey, he didn't steal from you so that makes it ok. :rolleyes:
          Give it a rest, Yukon...don't try to single me out as some sort of bad person. It ain't gonna work!

          Because , I am NOT promoting a thief. What I'm against is the cruel and unusual punishment for a victimless crime. And please don't tell me that the Hollywood moguls are victims.

          They are greedy *******s that need to get a grip on the reality of the Internet and take a lesson from the music industry and create a movie version of iTunes. A simple solution!

          Furthermore, they are trying to make an example of this young man. Sure punish him. Give him a fine. Make him do community service. But 10 years plus extradition? Give me a break. Rapists don't get 10 years!

          US government bully tactics and their protection of corporate interests, before protecting a human being, is making them the number 1 most hated country in the world. Seriously. And then people wonder why.

          This is why.
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            Dearest Karen

            You are being a little ambiguous. Could you please clarify your position.

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    Lol, at the people playing both sides (classic).

    Whine & complain when someone post your paid product on a BH forums, & ok with someone stealing other peoples content/products, as long as it's not yours.

    Punishment fit the crime?

    You people promoting this guy just don't get how much money is involved with illegal downloads. This isn't small time chump change.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Lol, at the people playing both sides (classic).

      Whine & complain when someone post your paid product on a BH forums, & ok with someone stealing other peoples content/products, as long as it's not yours.

      Punishment fit the crime?

      You people promoting this guy just don't get how much money is involved with illegal downloads. This isn't small time chump change.

      Yukon,
      If you have had your products stolen,I feel sorry for you. How much did you personally lose financially?

      Guess what,you're not the only one.
      I had someone of this very forum blatantly rip off a product of mine then try to sell it as a WSO!

      Did I want action taken? Sure did. Did I get the results I wanted? Sure didn't.
      Since at the time I was the only person that had the product that did what this one did,did I lose money? I can't prove it but the magic 8 balls says probably.

      I'm just wondering why you aren't this vehement about those that openly steal from you every day?



      Kay,

      Sounds like you did more research tan I did. But my main concern is the punishment fit the crime.And 10 years in jail does not fall into that category.


      Some posting here seem to think those of us that feel that way are condoning his behavior,yet I've not seen one post that is condoning his behavior or stealing at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Kim -

        People are claiming this fellow will get ten years - how would they know that? When do first time offenders get maximum sentences? This isn't a mandatory sentence - just a max that could be imposed.

        The "ten years" is being presented as a factual outcome - but it's conjecture.

        I agree it's a total waste of resources, though.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Kim -

          People are claiming this fellow will get ten years - how would they know that? When do first time offenders get maximum sentences? This isn't a mandatory sentence - just a max that could be imposed.

          The "ten years" is being presented as a factual outcome - but it's conjecture.

          I agree it's a total waste of resources, though.
          The only time people get the max is when the system is making an example.
          Like here:
          Downloading mom fined $80,000 per song – SciTechBlog - CNN.com Blogs

          and here:
          Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs | Amplifier - Archives - Yahoo! Music

          I could go on and on,but the point to me is they seem hell bent on making an example out of this kid.

          I mean come on,spending all the time and money on extraditing him? Like we don't have bigger problems to deal with.
          But everytime they can focus our attention on the little stiff,they can sneak an elephant by in full view.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            True, bringing a criminal too justice is making an example out of a them, that's part of the point for having laws.

            I think the problem is most people in this thread think of hosting illegal download sites as a petty crime, which is simply wrong.

            A relevant crime would be megaupload, which was pulling in $40+ million a year by giving away stolen digital products to anyone that wanted them, for free.

            When a person shares illegal/stolen content, they are just as responsible as the person they allowed to download the illegal digital products. Linking too illegal/stolen content is sharing illegal content.

            Like Kay said (above), this guy is an adult, he knows exactly what he is doing by not hosting the illegal files on his own site, then linking to the files from his site. He thought he could out smart the law, looks like he was wrong.
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    I don't know if the guy is a genius or special needs ,to use the politically correct term, but I honestly know very few 18,19,20,21 year olds that are actually adults. When they changed the law making 18 the legal age instead of 21 they did both the country and the kids a huge disservice ( of course,I don't have a clue what the age is over there or how long it has been what it has been).
    Science has proven that the brain doesn't actually mature till about 25 years of age.

    Again,for the 100000th time, I do not disagree he broke laws from what we have been told (as usual the truth may actually come out that the story has been distorted beyong belief).

    Therefore he should be punished,to what extent none of us can decide,but what the maximum allowed,if applied would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I don't know if the guy is a genius or special needs ,to use the politically correct term, but I honestly know very few 18,19,20,21 year olds that are actually adults. When they changed the law making 18 the legal age instead of 21 they did both the country and the kids a huge disservice ( of course,I don't have a clue what the age is over there or how long it has been what it has been).
      Science has proven that the brain doesn't actually mature till about 25 years of age.

      Again,for the 100000th time, I do not disagree he broke laws from what we have been told (as usual the truth may actually come out that the story has been distorted beyong belief).

      Therefore he should be punished,to what extent none of us can decide,but what the maximum allowed,if applied would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

      Still, most countries consider those ages as a person responsible enough to cast a vote, as far as I know in the US only adults & deceased people in Florida are allowed to vote.

      No offense to anyone in Florida.

      Florida voter rolls suspected of having roughly 53K dead, 2,600 ineligible
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    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    The citizens of Great Britain have every right to be ashamed of their government.
    Don't worry we are.

    But more for these reasons.

    Soft-touch Britain, the asylum seeker capital of Europe: We let in more than anyone else last year | Mail Online

    African village where every family gets £7,000 from the British taxpayer | Mail Online

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    After an interview with O'Dwyer - this info was in the resulting article on smartmoviemaking.com...

    setting up a small website, TVshack.net, linking to sites where people could watch US TV and movies online....As the site grew, eventually reaching an audience of around 300,000 people a month, so did O'Dwyer's workload
    Users could post links to video content... - that contained full TV programmes or films. O'Dwyer's site would check the link worked and add it to its search engine.
    "Lots of advertisers seemed to email the contact address on the website. I just basically picked one out of the hat and put them on the website. And obviously, when traffic went up, so did the revenue. That's the way websites work."

    Over the three years it ran, according to court documents, the site's growing audience generated more than £140,000 in advertising revenue.
    That's about $220,000 in US dollars earned (at today's conversion rates) (over three years) - which Richard says he mostly frittered away after paying for hosting.

    I don't want him to get a harsh sentence. Young and naive are good excuses - but I don't see how he can be allowed to avoid facing the charges and answering them.
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