by HeySal
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Went out to have a smoke. There was a whole bunch of little square rectangles right over the house and it looked like paper reflecting in the sun. Seriously - I thought they were birds or butterflies, but they got low enough that they were "floating" around the telephone pole wires so I got a good look at them and they were definitely rectangle. We were waiting for some to hit the ground to read what was on them -- and looking for a plane or copter that might have dropped them. They were high up when I first spotted them. None fell to the ground - but watching a few that were darting back and forth in straight lines made us realize they weren't just "floating" on air currents. Then they all started to rise again and moved across the sky and eventually out of sight. Some would dart almost into each other then move in opposite directions real fast in a straight line - blinking, not reflecting. I watched them move across the sky for about 10 minutes. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen in the sky yet. WTF did I see? Drones of some sort? It was soooo bizarre.

I keep going outside to see if it (they) will come back.
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    It depends - what were you smoking?
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    You beat me to my line Kay.

    Just kidding Sal - I believe you saw 'something'

    ... but what? is the question.

    You're welcome

    (I know you are thanking me right now for my help).
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Seriously - I am getting ready for work. The only thing I've been smoking is cigarettes. I don't think I've ever smoked anything that made me see stuff like that anyway. Got any? I'll try it out.

    This was just really so bizarre that it has spooked me.
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  • Profile picture of the author reagen
    UFOs? How big was it, anyway?

    But seriously, the above comments are just too good.
    Ha, still chuckling!!
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    You said "we", so I guess another person or people saw it with you? Or was that your dog? Weirdly, I was just reading about miniature drones. They're trying to make drones that resemble birds and insects and those ones resembled butterflies?

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yes someone else saw it. They were in a concentrated group so when I saw them start to descend I called my roomie out to "check it out".

    I just looked at tagiscom's video (that video is gone but there's others on that webpage).
    Yes - it was like what they saw in NY but when they came down close you could see they were definitely rectangle and about 2.5 x 5 inches at my best guess. You can see them from a LONG distance though.

    Natural - not a chance. Alien, who knows. Technology - without a doubt. But what kind and what for?
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Technology - without a doubt. But what kind and what for?
      It is the new and improved google program

      and if you want to smoke something that will make you see interesting things
      i hear mushrooms will do the trick.

      P.S.

      Quit Smoking, your waaaaay to smart for that.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        It is the new and improved google program

        and if you want to smoke something that will make you see interesting things
        i hear mushrooms will do the trick.

        P.S.

        Quit Smoking, your waaaaay to smart for that.
        Google. Why yes - why didn't I think of that. Well, I hope they don't team up with facebook and post me watching them. It was before I combed my hair.

        Mushrooms. That would probably do it.

        Too smart? Come to think of it -- I do feel much more perceptive and sharp since those things hovered over me. hmmmmmm. (uh, yeah - I AM just kidding).
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  • Profile picture of the author seanocoso
    Was going to ask if it was a plastic bag but what you describe sounds most unnatural. Quite an unsettling incident...
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
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    Real answer = Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

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    Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds lyrics
    Songwriters: Mccartney, Paul; Lennon, John;

    Picture yourself in a boat on a river
    With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
    Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
    A girl with kaleidoscope eyes

    Cellophane flowers of yellow and green
    Towering over your head
    Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes
    And she's gone

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah

    Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
    Where rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies
    Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers
    That grow so incredibly high

    Newspaper taxies appear on the shore
    Waiting to take you away

    Climb in the back with your head in the clouds
    And you're gone

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah

    Picture yourself in a train in a station
    With plasticine porters with looking glass ties
    Suddenly someone is there at the turnstile
    The girl with kaleidoscope eyes

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds, ah

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds


    THE Major CLUE is these: ah
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      It's that bloody Dynamo turning himself into paper and having a fly around! The swine!

      On a serious note whilst I was reading this the biggest fly I've ever seen came flying into the office and almost hit me in the face.
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      I think I saw that Rabbit

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      [QUOTE=Patrician;6707779]Sun+Magnifying Glass+Kaleidescope

      Sun+Mirrors+kaleidescope

      Rabbit with pancake on head.

      Aliens on Acid

      Real answer = Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

      Mark my words.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    U.S anti gravity propulsion system experiments (the next generation of drones). Nothing to see here. Move along.
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  • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
    That's interesting. A rectangle doesn't seem like it would be aerodynamic or stable. How would it control the roll, pitch and yaw? And there needs to be some type of propulsion.

    Any theories?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      That's interesting. A rectangle doesn't seem like it would be aerodynamic or stable. How would it control the roll, pitch and yaw? And there needs to be some type of propulsion.

      Any theories?
      If its us, some anti gravity system, with some electronics probably controlled from somewhere. Although gas filled, is a possibility?


      If it isn't us, then a very advanced, exotic material, that defy's gravity? And probably thinks for itself!

      If you nab one, l will offer you a great price on Ebay.

      Wouldn't mind inventing anti-gravity!

      Shane.


      PS if it is us, then check all radio, etc bands when they show up, some odd signal may show up, if someone is controlling it from a distance?

      If you could hack into their signal, then they would be all yours!

      Shane
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      • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
        Here in Florida,we often get a phenomanon known as thermal updraft
        I've watched plastic bags and such go hundreds of feet in the air drop quick move side to side etc.
        thermal updraft: Definition from Answers.com
        The rectangles could have been confetti carried by air currents from who knows where.

        If tech exists for propulsion on wafer thin objects, chances are whoever is devolping it would not test it anywhere close to populated areas.
        More than likely test would be in a controlled environment , away from prying eyes.

        Either way..... puff puff pass! : D
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        • Profile picture of the author Riptor
          Hi Sal, interesting sighting. I'm not sure which area you live in but you could check the following website to see if anybody else made any reports in your area. Good luck.

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          If tech exists for propulsion on wafer thin objects, chances are whoever is devolping it would not test it anywhere close to populated areas.
          More than likely test would be in a controlled environment , away from prying eyes.
          Hmmmm, yes and no, remember that if it is the military, then the golden rule might apply, created by geniuses, operated by idiots.

          Unless of course some genius in his basement did this, then a signal in normal bandwidth might show up!

          And he did it, as a thrill to show off? :confused:

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    • Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

      Instead of making jokes why don't we discuss what she saw and ask her serious questions instead.....

      Noooo of course not.
      Was there a question in there somewhere? :confused:
      (jk Ernie)

      I do have a few other questions: :rolleyes:

      How many? Why many and not just one?
      Was it calm, or breezy?
      Was it going cloudy, dusk, or a change in temperature?
      did you hear crickets, whirring, or buzzing?
      City or country?
      Are you near a park or open space? / radio control range?
      Military bases or contracting facilities?
      How many fingers am I holding up? ...How many now? :rolleyes:

      (something that small would not likely show up on radar)
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    rofl wasn't expecting this type of thread when i saw the title..good chuckle gang
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Antigravity? GIVE ME A BREAK! They could have done similar things in the 70s or earlier. Of course NOW they can pack them with enough to run for potentially years(using radiation off of power lines), and they would know where they are, and be able to send back pictures and sound REAL TIME.

    This is scary. 2.5"x5"? These days, that is HUGE! Maybe they WERE drones. And NO, they don't have to use fancy technology to fly.

    Sal,

    I don't blame you.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Other than that footage of the news in NY about the same type of thing I saw - I haven't found anything. This was during daylight and during normal working hours. I'm in a suburban to country area. It's populated but houses are far apart -everyone owns an acre or more and there's a lot of vacant forested land as well. There's also an extremely deep river canyon about a half mile as the crow flies from me. There's also a tower that looks like a water tower but has some very odd poles and wires at the top (for cell phones or the like, I presume) on a hill not far from me.

    They looked like they were just drifting when up close and low - they only look like stars at a distance. I thought the sun was reflecting off them until they got a pretty good distance away. Maybe it was - but they were BRIGHT. There were several dozen of them. Like I also said - I thought it was paper dropped from a plane or something. Wouldn't be the first time some group has dropped messages from planes out here. They are like leaves the way they were whirling and tumbling as they came down and you have to watch for awhile to see that they aren't just in free fall on a draft. When they got high up again you could tell there was no air current to what they were doing. They were moving in lines and not in the same direction. It looked like they dispersed about 5 or 10 miles to the East. They might have just been getting too far off to see anymore.

    We have a college out here that's pretty proud of their technology and we have military installations of some sort, although not actual bases with bunkers type of units. Not sure what they are, just know there is military not too far from here. There's also word that people are being trained to operate drones so the college here is probably into that. There's a town about 20 miles East where are all sorts of database facilities - google, etc.

    It spooked me because they were just floating high up and descended to just above me then ascended again after a minute or two. I seriously expected at least some to hit the ground, but they didn't. Not one. If it were air currents they were depending on, several would have fallen right there. We were probably the only people around at the time to even see it, and where we were is where the stuff descended. Not feeling good about that.

    I'm wondering if this happens frequently out here and just isn't noticed or if I just caught a one time run. I didn't see which direction they came in from but they were headed toward the town with the databases (Prineville). Not sure if there's military out there, but there's plenty of technology.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yes - it was like what they saw in NY but when they came down close you could see they were definitely rectangle and about 2.5 x 5 inches at my best guess. You can see them from a LONG distance though.
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      It looked like they dispersed about 5 or 10 miles to the East. They might have just been getting too far off to see anymore.
      I'm having a hard time forming a mental picture of how big these things were because I can't imagine seeing something 2.5x5 inches at 5 or 10 miles away.

      How close were they to you when you estimated their size at 2.5x5 inches?
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    • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      It spooked me because they were just floating high up and descended to just above me then ascended again after a minute or two. I seriously expected at least some to hit the ground, but they didn't. Not one. If it were air currents they were depending on, several would have fallen right there. We were probably the only people around at the time to even see it, and where we were is where the stuff descended. Not feeling good about that.
      Don't let it bother you. It sounds to me like they came close because they wanted you to get a better look at them, or maybe to get a better look at you. Perhaps. Or maybe they were just interested in the power lines.


      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Next time I see anything like that around here, I'm going to shoot one down and see first hand what it is.
      I wouldn't do that. They might be able to shoot back. Instead, "shoot" them with a camera.

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        If I can get one of them it will probably have a bullet hole in it. Still want it?
        LOL, well yes, but l am just starting out with IM, so l could pay a price worthy of an alien artifact or some military high tech, in the near future, but at the moment? :confused::confused::confused:

        But if course if it has a helicopter rotor inside, with some Tandy electronics, probably not.

        I am sure that NASA would pay you a kings sum, to keep it under wraps!

        But hopefully you would let the world know instead?

        keep, the shotgun on standby, there is a fairly good chance they will show up again, especially if it is military, unless he or she is reading this, it could also be someone in your area?

        If you have a electronics genius or FBI agent, national security, etc living in your area, might be a good place to watch or were there any vans parked along the road in your area, could be another likely place to control them from.

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  • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
    Call Coast to Coast AM, George will hook you up... now to go check out that video!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    What is George going to hook me up with (or to)? Which link? I've googled all sorts of stuff and the nearest I've seen to what I saw was the report from NY about the hundreds of little stars - they did look like stars from a distance. Just not up close. Up close they looked like paper. Had there not been a down draft they were resisting, I'd have thought it was just paper caught in an air current and wouldn't have watched how they travele when they ascended again. They should have fallen straight down after they got as low as the telephone wires. Next time I see anything like that around here, I'm going to shoot one down and see first hand what it is.

    If you nab one, l will offer you a great price on Ebay.
    If I can get one of them it will probably have a bullet hole in it. Still want it?

    How many? Dozens. Why many and not just one? Can't answer that - don't even know what
    they were.

    Was it calm, or breezy? Very Calm.
    Was it going cloudy, dusk, or a change in temperature? Broad day light - sunny skies, around mid 70s with no change in temp.
    did you hear crickets, whirring, or buzzing? No sound accompanying them at all. I would have noticed as I was looking for a plane or copter that might have dropped them, so was listening for a motor.
    City or country? I described where in an earlier post.
    Are you near a park or open space? / radio control range? Near open space - but there's a water tower with some wiring like a microwave tower nearby.
    Military bases or contracting facilities? Very possibly. Military within 20 miles - Database facilities within 25 miles - they headed off in that direction. Google - not funny. They have a database facility there.
    How many fingers am I holding up? ...How many now? Probably the same as me - one.
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    Dennis - dimensional intelligence isn't my strong suit. They were "floating" around telephone wires. How high are those? 40 ft? more, less?

    That's one of the reasons I am so freaked out - they were SMALL - but I was able to see them from a very long ways off. They were definitely lighted though. When I saw them close I thought that they were just reflecting sunlight - as they moved off and started to just look like stars it was pretty obvious they had their own light. Perhaps they weren't as far away as I thought when I was no longer able to see them - but they seemed to have traveled quite a distance. Maybe not. Shooting stars always look pretty close to me, too, but I'm told they aren't half as near as I think they are. I know how close they got for sure because they were passing through the wires, so while I can't say for sure I got the size right, that is my impression. Maybe a little bigger, but not enough to explain how they were able to show up from a distance. It looked like they traveled a long way before I could no longer see them. The whole thing was just too bizarre.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I've never heard of these kind of sightings before. The closet thing that resemble what you are describing are "Rods". At least that's what springs to my mind. Definitely not your typical UFO sighting.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rods...w=1280&bih=644
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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      What is George going to hook me up with (or to)? it?
      HeySal, George Noory is the host of Coast to Coast AM, a nation wide radio show carried by lots of stations. He deals with supernatural topics on his show. Some of his callers are WAY out there but some, many in fact, are not the "men in black" cooks that end up on the front page of the World News. Many of these people are just everyday folk who happen to see things that they can't explain.

      Here's a link to his site - Home - Coast to Coast AM believe in this stuff or don't believe in it but science nor religion can explain everything. Your comment about military installations being close by may help explain what you saw, the general public has no real idea what our government has in the way of technology, we only know about what we are given access to.

      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      I've never heard of these kind of sightings before. The closet thing that resemble what you are describing are "Rods". At least that's what springs to my mind. Definitely not your typical UFO sighting.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=rods...w=1280&bih=644
      bravo75, your quote is the first time in a long long time that I have heard anybody talk about rods, of course I don't normally get to listen to Coast to Coast AM. I'm sure it's been discussed on there many times in the past few years but interesting to see it brought up on here.
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    wicked...lol, are you high?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Coast to Coast AM can wait. Enough people that I actually KNOW think I'm nuts or stoned now.

    Besides - I have not one doubt in my mind that these things were technology from right around here somewhere. Out here the ethos is extremely green - and very technology oriented. Of course to me, that is scarier than if it had been aliens.

    I'm thinking Dennis is right that they didn't get as far as I thought before I couldn't see them. They were just pinpoints of light by the time they got beyond the property line, but it seemed like they were visible forever. I took a walk on a road in back of here to see if I was nuts and some of the stuff might just have been in an updraft and fallen back there somewhere. Didn't see ANY trash (that's nice, actually, but not settling in the matter).

    I'm convinced it was some sort of surveillance technology. We were probably the only people around the area outside at the time and we were where they descended. It also wouldn't be the strangest surveillance technology out there either. I'm thinking if people keep their eyes open they will see stuff a lot spookier than those were.

    BTW - Bravo. I saw something like rods once but it was right over a military artillery range so I'm quite sure that one didn't qualify as a UFO.

    I DO believe in UFOs - but think that if they ever make contact with us it's going to be to tell our leaders to knock off spreading their crap to other planets.
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      • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        Is Coast to Coast the one that used to have Art Bell? Whatever happened to that Chupacabra anyway?
        Same program, Art had it for years, George took over when Bell retired, he had been the default fill in for Art over the years anyway. I've always just listened with a passing interest but every now and they something will be discussed that makes you go hmmm.

        Some believe that the goat sucker (El Chupacabra) still roams around, not so much here in the North East though. No big feet or crop circles either. We don't get any of the cool stuff up here, just snow
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  • Profile picture of the author dcristo
    What you're describing sounds very trippy I don't really have an explanation.

    I agree with you about UFOs.. my Dad had sighted one *flying sourcer* , stopped on the road because he couldn't believe what he was seeing, and another person said they saw the same thing.

    Pretty scary when you think about it.
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    SAL;

    HOW ABOUT A MIGRATING SWARM OF HUMMINGBIRDS?
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  • Apple is building a data center in Prineville...maybe it's a new iSEEYOU app. - Maybe Siri knows more than she's letting on...

    http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-fo..._site_for.html
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    MMM - there's so much huge corp technology out here that I'm sure that has something to do with what I saw. I don't one bit like the way those things seemed to zone in on me when I went out, though. I - and my roomie - were probably the only people outside in the area at the time and they seemed to zone right in on that. That's what chilled me so bad. It was like they came down, had a look, then left. I'm sure that somehow it was a unified pack of something - maybe each one programmed to pick up some different aspect of the environment or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Is this a coincidence?

    07/31/2012 10:10 UTC

    City Portland
    Region Oregon
    Country United States
    Latitude 45.525422
    Longitude -122.668747

    While facing north in Sunnyside Portland (right by Reed College), I saw a gently pulsing red light ascend from behind the tops of some buildings; the building tops were an estimated 15 degrees above the horizon from where I was viewing it. The pulsing was not as intense as you would find with a normal aircraft's navigational lights (the light just got dimmer, never went all the way out). The frequency of the pulsing intensity of the light was not quite consistent (like you would see with airplane nav lights)--nor were there any accompanying green lights. The light continued to ascend and appeared to be coming closer as it did so (tho this could be an illusion caused by the curvature of the earth I suppose). As it ascended it decelerated to what appeared to be a short hover for 2-3 seconds and then it continue to ascend at an even faster rate. At about 80% of the way into the sighting, the lights began to flash much more quickly and erratically, and when it reached about 75 degrees from the horizon, it just flickered out. Nothing too impressive, but certainly not your everyday aircraft. Anyone else see this? I wanted to run in the house and grab my phone to take some video, but the quality would have been so terrible it didn't seem worth the risk of missing the rest of the sighting. (Plus, do we really need any more pixelated videos of unidentified lights in the sky?... hopefully someone with a quality video camera and a better viewing position got some footage).
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Actually, there are similar reports of this kind of activity just about every evening, in your area, for the past few weeks.



    This footage of huge unknown object slowly flying across the sky above Oregon. This was recorded on Sunday, 15th July 2012.

    Witness report: Satellite or more than meets the eye? The first time an object, very satellite like, until it does what I havent seen a satellite do, it flares at least three times as it moves slowly across the night sky. An iridium flare might produce a similar affect but it would be brief and perhaps just a random flash as the sun hit at the right angle.
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    This is very interesting...
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    Jody - stuff like that is in the sky every night out here - probably everywhere in the US but out here where there's no light wash you can actually see them. I watch that type of stuff when I camp in the Mts east of here. It's never come low though. I just took it to be surveillance equip of some sort - like google earth stuff or something. You'd (anyone not YOU) have to be totally obtuse to think there isn't stuff like that up there by now. But this was very different - and it was too close for comfort.

    Ken - actually that kind of makes sense - but it was visible from a long distance even though it was really small. It might have not been the miles I had thought at first since I've surveyed the roads in back of mine, but still - a long ways for how small it was. I could have been reflection but just the distance it showed up made me think lights. Still makes more sense than anything so far. The only problem is.....wouldn't it fall if it got as close as 20 - 40 feet from earth? Also - there were no planes/copters in the sky. Don't think there's an aretillery range close, but there is military not too far away. As far as gov - who knows what they will do and where they will do it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Sal -

      News today revealed massive testing of some new small drones - the announcement was made by the govt and apparently there have been quite a few "sighting reports" by people wondering what they've seen in the sky.

      Announcement SAID the testing was in the NE - which probably means it's being tested everywhere but the northeast:rolleyes:

      The drone was shown - looks quite space-shippy and has a lot of reflective surfaces on it. Maybe....
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Coast to Coast AM can wait. Enough people that I actually KNOW think I'm nuts or stoned now.
      I don't! In the 50,s the US Government and no doubt other world Governments, tried to make out that if anyone saw anything that they were nuts!

      Now, because of the frequency, they are putting out, so called credible evidence, that shows the scariest alien they can conjure up, and create a story that scares as many people as possible!

      This sort of crap is happening all the time, if they can't say you're nuts, then they will scare you instead!

      Bottom line is if their so called credible evidence was real we would have been dominated by them a long time ago.

      More likely they are just waiting for the right time to say hello. People are most responsive to change when their backs are up against the wall, so after a man made disaster that threatens the entire planet, has occurred then we may see the classic UFO landing in a park somewhere!

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  • Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Is there an artillery range anywhere near you?

    My best guess is that you saw reflective chaff that is released by military aircraft to fool targeting systems.

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    There is an Army Depot and bombing range about 100+ miles away as the crow flies in Boardman (but it is hard to say if it is used for that anymore) anf there is the huge depot at Hanford about 50mi farther...would this chaff be that small?

    Could it have been dropped from high altitude and blown that way on an upper current?
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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    Sal: Perhaps you saw floating debris caught up in a thermal?

    Thermals can exert a powerful lift on objects on the ground or floating in the air. Thermals are not visible and are not necessarily associated with wind, yet they are capable of lifting light, or even quite large objects, especially those drifting down from higher in the atmosphere.

    ...All of this turbulent motion leads to small plumes of varying shapes and sizes of rising and sinking air. Some of the rising parcels meet up with others and form larger blobs; others get torn apart by turbulence and lose their identity. The size of parcels in the surface layer is roughly proportional to their distance from the surface. The air within a plume is rising, but it is also turning in all three dimensions, its motion depending in a completely unpredictable way on the small-scale shape, color, and moisture of the ground and the motion of all the other parcels in its vicinity. Plumes start out at the surface with no average horizontal speed. They pick up bugs, seeds, and sometimes trash, all of which help us to see where the air is rising. http://www.rcsoaring.com/docs/thermals_2006.pdf
    Sorry for editing several times. It's late and I'm tired and the complex subject of thermals is not easily summed up in one short quote, especially a quote that doesn't make a lot of sense taken out of context like the one above.

    But from what you describe, what you saw is exactly the way a thermal would behave. As to what was caught up in the thermal, I can only guess—small pieces of paper seem very probable.
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  • Profile picture of the author ambrown31
    Sound like mini ufos. Though I've seen some strange things 2, like looking at the stars & all of a sudden they start moving in circles. They are real in my opinion but why are they here, is the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I.M Retired -- I don't think it was draft. I think these things were self-animated. First I thought - live. Butterflies or birds. When they started to descend I thought draft - once they got low enough, it looked like "motorized". When they started to rise again they definitely looked like they were something operated with purposeful volition. I've lived in mountain terrains and there are some odd air currents, but I've never seen anything in a natural current act like these did. If I had, I probably would have written them off and forgotten about it. These things were just plain odd.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Sound like mini ufos. Though I've seen some strange things 2, like looking at the stars & all of a sudden they start moving in circles. They are real in my opinion but why are they here, is the question.
      Yeah, l spoke to someone a while ago, that said she went on a camping trip, to the outback in AU, and saw some lights that looked like distant stars, also. They moved across the sky at great speeds and came together then flew apart again.

      She also said that the next day, she noticed fine cuts all over her body?

      Yeah, l know that this is getting into scary territory, but that is what she said, and was dead serious, about it!!

      There is 100 Billion stars in our galaxy, and we have found one or two near us that are earth like, so its odds on, something is out there, but as said before, they are advanced and intelligent, not scary, overall.

      You need high intelligence, to build ships capable of interstellar travel.

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      • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
        Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

        Is there an artillery range anywhere near you?

        My best guess is that you saw reflective chaff that is released by military aircraft to fool targeting systems.

        Biodegradable Reflective Chaff Material | SBIR.gov
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        There is an Army Depot and bombing range about 100+ miles away as the crow flies in Boardman (but it is hard to say if it is used for that anymore) anf there is the huge depot at Hanford about 50mi farther...would this chaff be that small?

        Could it have been dropped from high altitude and blown that way on an upper current?
        This combined with Thermals is the most logical explanation, Imo.



        Sidebar: When I read Sals' post, for whatever reason, I hear the voice of "Mom" from Futurerama, performed by voiceover actor Tress MacNeille
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          BTW - </rant>


          Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

          This combined with Thermals is the most logical explanation, Imo.



          Sidebar: When I read Sals' post, for whatever reason, I hear the voice of "Mom" from Futurerama, performed by voiceover actor Tress MacNeille


          First - LOL. that's funny. I wonder if I really sound like her a tad? That could result in some real fun.

          Second - it is the most logical. It's not the most empirically satisfactory, though. However - if you mix gov with the currents, that is a very viable thought. The study they've done on air currents mixed with their crazed obsession with technology and surveillance would make that the most logical conclusion. I wish that took out the spookiness of the situation, but it doesn't.

          I am convinced this was not extra-terrestrial anything, though, other than the fact I saw it in air and not land (that would make it extra terrestrial, right :rolleyes
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Who knows? I once read that the miltary is often about 10 years ahead of the general public. They spoke of Cattle cut in a way that defied logic and, about 10 years later, the eximer laser Excimer laser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia came out. They stated that an eximer laser could do all that the fancy cutting device did.

    QUESTION... If you wanted to see how people might react to such things, HOW do you do it? This might be a way. If they are caught, they could come up with all sorts of excuses. If they aren't, they have a valid report.

    And they now have lasers that are tiny that supposedly can do some damage. They COULD be tested on people. and with a concentrated beam, they COULD make an incision that is like a painless paper cut and the person could take over a day to notice.

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  • Profile picture of the author MarvyDery
    my question is, what were you smoking? this can help us ascertain your true judgement on what you saw. but believe they were not UFOs or aliens, they don't exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      Originally Posted by MarvyDery View Post

      but believe they were not UFOs or aliens, they don't exist.
      Actually MarvyDery UFOs, by definition, are very real. Anything flying around that you can not identify is an Unidentified Flying Object whether it's of this world or not. UFOs don't have to have little green men in them to exist.

      Your comment that neither aliens nor UFOs exist sounds like an official U.S. government statement but like most of them, it doesn't seem based in fact.

      I have no idea whether or not aliens exist but as of yet no one has proven that they don't. My mind is too open to the probability that earth is not the only planet with intelligent life for me to believe otherwise.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Who knows? I once read that the miltary is often about 10 years ahead of the general public. They spoke of Cattle cut in a way that defied logic and, about 10 years later, the eximer laser Excimer laser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia came out. They stated that an eximer laser could do all that the fancy cutting device did.

        QUESTION... If you wanted to see how people might react to such things, HOW do you do it? This might be a way. If they are caught, they could come up with all sorts of excuses. If they aren't, they have a valid report.

        And they now have lasers that are tiny that supposedly can do some damage. They COULD be tested on people. and with a concentrated beam, they COULD make an incision that is like a painless paper cut and the person could take over a day to notice.

        Steve
        Yep, she went to see a doctor and he said that they were all over her body?

        But from what l have read some encounters are quite social, but usually anything from the government is scary!

        It's more propaganda than anything else.

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    • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
      Originally Posted by MarvyDery View Post

      my question is, what were you smoking? this can help us ascertain your true judgement on what you saw. but believe they were not UFOs or aliens, they don't exist.
      ...said the boy who has travelled to every planet, in every solar system, in every galaxy, in the whole universe.
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      • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
        Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

        ...said the boy who has travelled to every planet, in every solar system, in every galaxy, in the whole universe.
        HOLY CRAP... my apologies MarvyDery I had no idea.

        Thanks for the heads up Doran, hope I didn't offend him :p
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MarvyDery View Post

      my question is, what were you smoking? this can help us ascertain your true judgement on what you saw. but believe they were not UFOs or aliens, they don't exist.
      You don't know me well enough to pass that joke at me, dude.

      YOU are not qualified to "ascertain [the accuracy or validity of] my true judgement". I didn't ask anyone to try to figure out my mental state. I am fully aware of my own mental state. I asked for info that people had that might explain what I saw logically - or if they had heard anything of other people seeing similar "phenomenon" (for lack of a better word). Not for a judgement from a half drooling, self-sanctifying, imbecile.

      Infract me if you want but I have a right to be excessively insulted by your post and I am exerting that right to tell you exactly what I think of your "mental state" as well. Fair is fair.
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    I agree with king kay
    dafaq did I just read, sounds a bit odd.
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    • Who can afford this kind of technology if it even existed? It seems a drone the size you mention would have to be extremely sophisticated to maneuver, and the power source would be almost have to be solar augmented which could account for the panels, but still a very classified piece of equipment. Why would they test surveillance equipment of this scope on the Oregon High Plains? Who, or what could be around you that would be targeted?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        Who can afford this kind of technology if it even existed? It seems a drone the size you mention would have to be extremely sophisticated to maneuver, and the power source would be almost have to be solar augmented which could account for the panels, but still a very classified piece of equipment. Why would they test surveillance equipment of this scope on the Oregon High Plains? Who, or what could be around you that would be targeted?
        There are a few ways it could fly. It could be solar OR magnetic. WHO KNOWS, maye there is a port in some places it can use.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    MMM - high desert of OR is a great place to test stuff. Especially if they were mixing technology and air currents. We have deep narrow canyons, mountains and open plains to create a wide variety of currents. Sparsely populated, too. On the other hand, they are most likely testing anything we see out here in other places, too. Because of the sparse population out here - we also have less light wash out, so might just be more likely to actually be able to see things out here than in many other places.
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  • Maybe they were looking for Jackalopes

    Out amongst the jack rabbits and rattlesnakes :rolleyes:
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      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Maybe they were looking for Jackalopes

      Out amongst the jack rabbits and rattlesnakes :rolleyes:
      Don't be silly. Everyone knows that those things don't live this far NW.
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    I'd be scared out of my wits when that happens to me. Though I would understand that would sound silly when I tell people about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author I.M.Retired
    Not for a judgement from a half drooling, self-sanctifying, imbecile.
    Half drooling? Full drooling seems more appropriate. Or how about slobbering?

    I don't think it was draft.
    Probably not. Drafts tend to 'blow' which is somewhat different from the lifting movements of thermals.

    However, if it seemed that they were self propelled, then that is something I can't comment on. Thermals have amazing powers of propulsion for objects caught in them, but self propulsion is an entirely different matter.

    Perhaps Kay has offered the best explanation?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by I.M.Retired View Post

      Half drooling? Full drooling seems more appropriate. Or how about slobbering?



      Probably not. But drafts are different than thermals.

      However, if it seemed that they were self propelled, then that is something I can't comment on. Thermals have amazing powers of propulsion for objects caught in them, but self propulsion is an entirely different matter.

      Perhaps Kay has offered the best explanation?
      Yeah - I was just saying "air" not really meaning to equate the two. They were visible a LOT further than they should have been - but I think I was way off thinking how far. They seemed to be way far away when you could still see them as stars, though. They HAD to be giving off their own light.

      As far as dispersing? Not as far as I could see, but they could have as they became harder to see. They never bumped into each other and their movement was geometric. They weren't just drifting as they appeared to be when I first saw them descending. What really bothers me is -- where the heck did they come from. I was looking around admiring the day and all of the sudden they were just there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    I personally tend to doubt the thermal / draft hypothosis and here's my thinking...

    It is highly unlikely that a group of papers, or ....lightweight material would sustain a consistent group unity over even a short stretch of "flight". There is almost a finite certainty that one or two, or a handlfull of the items...in all the swish and sway of the immediate air around them...would fall away from the group.

    That didn't happen.

    It COULD happen, but only under any of three circumstances...one, that the movement of air was extremely gustful. (...it would have to be significantly gustfull...like a storm)

    which it was not

    two, that the items themselves contribute to their own movement...such as a helium balloon.

    and balloons they were not.

    or three, if the items were attached to each other, and couldnt depart if they wanted to.

    which there was no visible indication that they were. (wires or strings?)

    If the lightweight material is fully dependent on the direct upward movement of warm air, then its reaction will be to slide out of the way, even in a round about or gradual manner. ( much like trying to scoop a floating hair out of the bathtub, moves away from you hand, in the currents rather than going into your hand.)


    ...so in my mind, since Thermal is out....I have to go with one of the "The flight was controlled" ideas.
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  • Maybe I spoke too soon on the technology side...wow.
    these drones are intended to resemble and emulate insects for stealth.


    ...the US Air Force has unveiled tiny finger-sized insect spy drones that would be undetectable to most. The example above can be used to inject toxins into enemies during wars. Continue reading for two videos and more information.

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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      This technology isn't nearly as scary as the fact that the government has allowed these videos to be released. While the humming bird was very impressive I'd bet money that the technology has advanced much further than we know.

      If they willingly let us see that they have developed a horseless carriage that means they are already driving a Bugatti, we just don't know it yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Jeez. Poisonous drone insects. If they unleash those on us there will be almost no way to survive their attack.

    Guess those who were worried about concentration camps coming around again can stop now. Who needs them when you can cull as many as you want and call it a virus outbreak or some such. This makes me completely sick.

    On the other hand - whatever I saw, I'm still feeling and thinking normally (for me anyhow).
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  • Profile picture of the author oliverblues
    Maybe it just a light thing that floats, I think there are no such thing as Alien or UFO. Its maybe a thing that is/are dropped by a plane or a helicopter as you said.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeUK
    See, this is why smokers are much more likely that non smokers to have a close encounter with he third kind
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I wish I'd had something to record it, too.

    I went camping the other night and watched the sky. I didn't see anything unexplainable. When the moon came up it washed the sky substantially. I did notice that even with just stuff we are familiar with (planes and satellites), there's one heck of a lot of traffic up there these days. A LOT.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanhan
    hahaha...dope ? are you sure your not smoking stuff that makes you high? lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      Originally Posted by sutha View Post

      I laugh read this post..LOL
      haha
      Originally Posted by oliverblues View Post

      Maybe it just a light thing that floats, I think there are no such thing as Alien or UFO. Its maybe a thing that is/are dropped by a plane or a helicopter as you said.
      Originally Posted by ryanhan View Post

      hahaha...dope ? are you sure your not smoking stuff that makes you high? lol.

      Do these people realize that posts in this portion of the forum don't increase their post count?

      HeySal you know what you saw... well you don't actually KNOW what you saw but you know that you saw something that you can't explain. Don't let these jackwaggons and their stupid comments piss you off, it's not worth it. (good natured ribbing from your friends is of course between you and them )
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        HeySal you know what you saw... well you don't actually KNOW what you saw but you know that you saw something that you can't explain. Don't let these jackwaggons and their stupid comments piss you off, it's not worth it. (good natured ribbing from your friends is of course between you and them )
        Yeah, l agree! Some people would rather be comfortable and in the dark, than informed and unnerved, etc.

        Some of the comments, (or reasons) l have got in another forum about this sort of thing, is borderline on ridiculous.

        So, ignore the "see spot run" solutions, and go with the ones that make sense!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I expected a few of my pals to raze me about "smoking" - I ask "what were you smokin'" now and again, too, but it's usually tongue in cheek. The only one that got me was the guy that wanted to know so he could assess my "mental condition". That one pissed me off. It went way too far to be tongue in cheek. The others don't really.

    Yes - I know what I saw. It wasn't a quick flash out of the corner of my eyes - it was something I watched for quite some time and got close enough to get a respectable view of. A few jokes isn't going to change that or intimidate me.

    I will admit that I couldn't judge the distance these things were visible from - looked like a long way but if I check myself on that, it probably wasn't so very far at all. Far enough it didn't make sense to be able to see them at the size they are though. What was scary is the way they seemed to zone in on someone outside. This took place right at a time they are testing air surveillance technology. Coincidence? I think not. I am very comfortable with my conclusion it was technology that is either being tested or already used. I just don't know what the purpose of the technology is. Were they watching ME? Was it just recognizing motion on the ground? Was it reacting to sensors on the property? Or was it monitoring air currents? Hard to say.
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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      Still interesting as Hell, hopefully you will have a camera near by if you see them again. Now go have another smoke and keep an eye out for more of them.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by KEKilpatrick View Post

        Still interesting as Hell, hopefully you will have a camera near by if you see them again. Now go have another smoke and keep an eye out for more of them.
        My camera is at the bottom of a canyon. Not scaling rock walls to go get it. :rolleyes: Sooner or later I'll get to the "camera" on my list of need to haves though. It's sitting fairly far down the list right now.

        And people have it wrong. You don't smoke fatties and see that kind of stuff - seeing that kind of stuff is what makes you go smoke the fattie!
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Sooner or later I'll get to the "camera" on my list of need to haves though. It's sitting fairly far down the list right now.
          Been there, totally understand where you're coming from.

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          And people have it wrong. You don't smoke fatties and see that kind of stuff - seeing that kind of stuff is what makes you go smoke the fattie!
          Couldn't have said that better myself.
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    I'm so gonna have nightmares about this. Robo-bugs.
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  • Profile picture of the author jvyzsy
    Talked with Fox Mulder and Dana Scully, they are on the way to check it.
    No kidding, this is really odd, could it be a ball lightning?
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Sal -

      News today revealed massive testing of some new small drones - the announcement was made by the govt and apparently there have been quite a few "sighting reports" by people wondering what they've seen in the sky.

      Announcement SAID the testing was in the NE - which probably means it's being tested everywhere but the northeast:rolleyes:

      The drone was shown - looks quite space-shippy and has a lot of reflective surfaces on it. Maybe....
      No one I know saw any around here.
      But if they where in NY it would be western NY where the air force bases are.
      Next time I talk to my friends in Boonville I'll ask them if they seen any.
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Jeez. Poisonous drone insects. If they unleash those on us there will be almost no way to survive their attack.

      Guess those who were worried about concentration camps coming around again can stop now. Who needs them when you can cull as many as you want and call it a virus outbreak or some such. This makes me completely sick.

      On the other hand - whatever I saw, I'm still feeling and thinking normally (for me anyhow).
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        No one I know saw any around here.
        But if they where in NY it would be western NY where the air force bases are.
        Next time I talk to my friends in Boonville I'll ask them if they seen any.

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        LOL - I was just thinking of how fast they'd run out of money for ANYTHING if people started swatting and shooting down their drones. They need to take our guns so they won't lose hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment. Ya just know anyone that can get a swat or shot at one will take it down with a grin.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          LOL - I was just thinking of how fast they'd run out of money for ANYTHING if people started swatting and shooting down their drones. They need to take our guns so they won't lose hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment. Ya just know anyone that can get a swat or shot at one will take it down with a grin.
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          Taking our guns won't help them, they'd need to take our arms.
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