U.S. Recoverable Oil, How Much Is There??

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I hear the U.S. has over 2 trillion barrels of oil including oil shale in the ground and I also hear that the oil can not be recovered for production with today's technology.


Other estimates are only about 150 billion barrels are available.


What have you heard??


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    Here in Colorado, we are the "Saudi Arabia" of oil shale. We have plenty to give the US enough energy for decades. It can be used and we have the tech to do it, it's more a matter of economics.

    However, I don't want my mountains strip-mined and my air polluted with junk when there's plenty of wind and sunshine we can use instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Here in Colorado, we are the "Saudi Arabia" of oil shale. We have plenty to give the US enough energy for decades. It can be used and we have the tech to do it, it's more a matter of economics.

      However, I don't want my mountains strip-mined and my air polluted with junk when there's plenty of wind and sunshine we can use instead.
      Kurt you probably already know about this, UCLA Researchers Invent See-Through Solar Powered Cells, Could Be Installed As Windows
      Funny how that isn't all over the news.
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    Institute for Energy Research | Exposing the 2 percent oil reserves myth

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    That has always been one of the main issues - the environmentalists did/do not want the repercussions of drilling - they and the people of the USA have managed to stave off many past efforts to develop the oil resources here.

    ... and a few monumentally catastrophic events have showed many of their fears to be realistic - to put it mildly.

    We need the oil - so answer is GET the technology and USE it wisely so that for example 400 foot sinkholes do not eat all of our trees (referring to Louisiana sinkhole) and poison (or fry) everything including the people.
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    Where are the thanks buttons?

    I agree with ya, Kurt. There's a town out just West of Billings Montana with a refinery. It stunk so bad I couldn't get near it for 5 minutes without getting a headache.

    I also agree that we need to force green energy. As long as our members of congress are lining their personal pockets with oil co money, it's not going to happen unless we get very loud about it.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


      I also agree that we need to force green energy.
      Nope. I don't want 1 cent of my tax dollar going to any green energy project.

      Interesting how we bitch about government incompetence and fraud one day and want them to force green energy the next day. We have seen the results of that idea. Very little energy or no energy created with even fewer jobs. Fraud on a massive scale paid for with money borrowed from China that our taxes have to cover in the future.

      Brilliant!

      Or how about the equally brilliant "let's use food for fuel" program. Otherwise know as the great ethanol scam. Corn is poor choice as a fuel substitute. It does have an interesting side effect though, it raises prices for Americans at the grocery store. Been shopping lately?

      You want cleaner fuel, natural gas. Efficient, clean, and America has gobs of it.

      You want (near) energy independence, a huge increase in jobs, additional revenues flowing into government at all level without raising taxes, the housing market to pick up, retail sales to pickup at a reasonable rate, etc.??? Develop and increase oil, natural gas, and coal projects here in the United States.

      Want to raise energy cost 10 fold? Go with the government backed greenies.

      T. Boone Pickens: 'I've Lost My A--' in Wind Power - 'The Jobs Are in the Oil and Gas Industry' - YouTube

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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        Nope. I don't want 1 cent of my tax dollar going to any green energy project.

        Interesting how we bitch about government incompetence and fraud one day and want them to force green energy the next day. We have seen the results of that idea. Very little energy or no energy created with even fewer jobs. Fraud on a massive scale paid for with money borrowed from China that our taxes have to cover in the future.

        Brilliant!

        Or how about the equally brilliant "let's use food for fuel" program. Otherwise know as the great ethanol scam. Corn is poor choice as a fuel substitute. It does have an interesting side effect though, it raises prices for Americans at the grocery store. Been shopping lately?

        You want cleaner fuel, natural gas. Efficient, clean, and America has gobs of it.

        You want (near) energy independence, a huge increase in jobs, additional revenues flowing into government at all level without raising taxes, the housing market to pick up, retail sales to pickup at a reasonable rate, etc.??? Develop and increase oil, natural gas, and coal projects here in the United States.

        Want to raise energy cost 10 fold? Go with the government backed greenies.

        T. Boone Pickens: 'I've Lost My A--' in Wind Power - 'The Jobs Are in the Oil and Gas Industry' - YouTube

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        You forgot to mention Big Oil's special tax breaks, paying only 9% when other corps pay 25%. I don't want a penny of mine subsidizing the most profitable industry in the history of mankind!

        Or how half of the US military budget is spent defending Big Oil's interest over-seas. Let Big Oil pay for their own damn security, not the tax payers' money or our military personel that pay with life and limb.

        If Big Oil had to pay their fair share and weren't subsidized, gas would be about $7 a gallon using a real free market. And we're buying oil from people that hate us. I'd rather give China a dollar once for a wind turbine that keep paying oil sheiks over and over again. That's another billion a day we send over-seas, not counting the billion a day we spend on our military defending Big Oil.

        I supported natural gas and T Boone's plan...until I learned about the consequences of what fracking does to our water systems. T Boone left that part out of his plan. There's homes that can literally light their tap water on fire due to fracking. Don't tell me it's "clean" until you research what fracking actually does.

        Plus the impact burning your oil has on the environment. Who wants to breath that crap? What impact does pollution have on our health? How's the Gulf doing? How many smaller oil spills take place every year we don't hear about?

        The Mid West US has plenty of wind. The SW US has plenty of sun. There are few countries on this planet with the wind and solar potential we have.

        BTW...The best source for bio fuel is saw grass. It's the natural grass of the Midwest, doesn't take any "farming" and is drought resistant. It's something like 7x more energy efficient than corn.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      From the article.
      "China now dominates global wind power rankings, with an approximate 42 percent share of the global market for new wind power additions in 2011," the Energy Department's new report notes.
      That's disappointing news for the U.S. wind energy sector given that America led the globe in new wind energy installations from 2005 through 2008.
      I wonder what changed in 2008 that caused us to lag behind.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        From the article.

        I wonder what changed in 2008 that caused us to lag behind.
        That's a great question.


        I suspect that before 2008 neither nation was serious about wind and China lagged us.

        But since then the Chinese have put a lot more money and effort into developing their wind power than we have since 2008.

        Look how their capacity has exploded since 2008.

        From wikapedia...

        Wind power in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Capacity (MW)


        2005 1,260
        2006 2,599
        2007 5,912
        2008 12,170
        2009 25,100
        2010 41,800
        2011 62,000


        Why are they leading now??

        IMHO...

        Thanks to big oil minions on the hill, we're still only dabbling at the edges instead of getting real serious about wind and other sources of alternate energy.


        The stimulus bill allocated 90 billion towards new energy.


        If we ever get serious about wind I'm sure we'll blow the Chinese away.


        Here's what we've been up to with wind power...





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        Ps. It's good to see Sal on board with the new green energy direction.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          That's a great question.


          I suspect that before 2008 neither nation was serious about wind and China lagged us.

          But since then the Chinese have put a lot more money and effort into developing their wind power than we have since 2008.

          Look how their capacity has exploded since 2008.

          From wikapedia...

          Wind power in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Capacity (MW)


          2005 1,260
          2006 2,599
          2007 5,912
          2008 12,170
          2009 25,100
          2010 41,800
          2011 62,000


          Why are they leading now??

          IMHO...

          Thanks to big oil minions on the hill, we're still only dabbling at the edges instead of getting real serious about wind and other sources of alternate energy.


          The stimulus bill allocated 90 billion towards new energy.


          If we ever get serious about wind I'm sure we'll blow the Chinese away.


          Here's what we've been up to with wind power...





          TL


          Ps. It's good to see Sal on board with the new green energy direction.
          So it is the federal governments fault if they are allowing the oil companies to dictate policy.
          Where did that 90 billion go?
          That kind of money should of put a lot more wind turbines online and could of been used as low interest loans to home owners to convert their homes to solar power. I know it would run me around 15,000 to totally convert to solar. So how many homes could 90 billion convert? Wouldn't that make a bigger dent in our oil dependency then what we got?
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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            Well technology will slowly ease your Oil dependency. Everyone elses too.

            Alternatives start to make financial sense when Oil hits high prices as now.

            Look at the European Car Industry. You got BMWs and Volkswagons that can now do 1000 miles per tank.

            MIT in USA is working on some sort of super battery that takes seconds to recharge, can't remember what it is called and so forth. I can see you all having your own battery powerful enough to sort out your homes electricity for a month in 20 years or so. And it will more than likely be down to suitcase size too.

            You will find the USA lead much of the world in this sort of thing.

            There is another thing about Oil. You already have dropped your imports of the stuff by a big chunk in the last 5 years. You have gone from 60% imported to 50% and this will drop to 40% in maybe a decade.

            Add to that your natural gas supplies (clean energy) that your country hasn't figured out how to set up a national infrastructure for (not that anyone else has yet) which you are working on rapidly, the USA will actually be the worlds largest producer of energy.

            USA is in a much stronger position than many of you seem to think.

            The only doom and gloom I ever see about the USA is on this forum from the Americans.

            Might not be perfect but...

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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

              Well technology will slowly ease your Oil dependency. Everyone elses too.

              Alternatives start to make financial sense when Oil hits high prices as now.

              Look at the European Car Industry. You got BMWs and Volkswagons that can now do 1000 miles per tank.

              MIT in USA is working on some sort of super battery that takes seconds to recharge, can't remember what it is called and so forth. I can see you all having your own battery powerful enough to sort out your homes electricity for a month in 20 years or so. And it will more than likely be down to suitcase size too.

              You will find the USA lead much of the world in this sort of thing.

              There is another thing about Oil. You already have dropped your imports of the stuff by a big chunk in the last 5 years. You have gone from 60% imported to 50% and this will drop to 40% in maybe a decade.

              Add to that your natural gas supplies (clean energy) that your country hasn't figured out how to set up a national infrastructure for (not that anyone else has yet) which you are working on rapidly, the USA will actually be the worlds largest producer of energy.

              USA is in a much stronger position than many of you seem to think.

              The only doom and gloom I ever see about the USA is on this forum from the Americans.

              Might not be perfect but...

              Dan
              Dan looking in from the outside is a lot different from living the experience. That stronger position you mention isn't for the people, but the corporations.
              Like TL said 90 billion allocated to energy. Where did it go?
              Well some went to companies that filed bankruptcy.
              That 90 billion was more then enough to offer every home owner and building owner a loan to convert to solar energy. To make it even more attractive the loans could be set up so the payments would be the same or lower then what your monthly electric bill was. Plus if the building was still attached to the grid the building owner could sell electricity back to the power company which would lower the power companies cost to produce electricity and reduce the cost of electricity used by those without their own solar electricity.
              The reason why we see doom and gloom is because we can see our potential and we can see how our government and corporations squander that potential.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                Dan looking in from the outside is a lot different from living the experience. That stronger position you mention isn't for the people, but the corporations.
                Like TL said 90 billion allocated to energy. Where did it go?
                Well some went to companies that filed bankruptcy.
                That 90 billion was more then enough to offer every home owner and building owner a loan to convert to solar energy. To make it even more attractive the loans could be set up so the payments would be the same or lower then what your monthly electric bill was. Plus if the building was still attached to the grid the building owner could sell electricity back to the power company which would lower the power companies cost to produce electricity and reduce the cost of electricity used by those without their own solar electricity.
                The reason why we see doom and gloom is because we can see our potential and we can see how our government and corporations squander that potential.
                I'm not sure this is true...My math could be off, but let's say there are 100,000,000 (100 million) homes in the US. I'm just estimating and not factoring in apartments, etc.

                Given Thom's figure of $15,000 per home, we have:

                100,000,000
                x 15,000
                __________
                1,500,000,000,000

                I "believe" that's 1.5 trillion dollars.

                $90 Billion would only be 1/16.7 of the money needed to convert every home to green energy. And this wouldn't include businesses.

                However, the $1.5 trillion dollars is probably about what we paid for our two wars, not counting VA benefits in the future. Think about how this would have helped our economy, if every household had an extra few hundred dollars to spend that they didn't have to spend on energy.

                Can someone check my math? I may be off by a decimal or two.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  I'm not sure this is true...My math could be off, but let's say there are 100,000,000 (100 million) homes in the US. I'm just estimating and not factoring in apartments, etc.

                  Given Thom's figure of $15,000 per home, we have:

                  100,000,000
                  x 15,000
                  __________
                  1,500,000,000,000

                  I "believe" that's 1.5 trillion dollars.

                  $90 Billion would only be 1/16.7 of the money needed to convert every home to green energy. And this wouldn't include businesses.

                  However, the $1.5 trillion dollars is probably about what we paid for our two wars, not counting VA benefits in the future. Think about how this would have helped our economy, if every household had an extra few hundred dollars to spend that they didn't have to spend on energy.

                  Can someone check my math? I may be off by a decimal or two.
                  I didn't do any actual math Kurt
                  But I was also talking loans with payments based on electric bills.
                  So if I took the loan for 15,000 my payments would be 200 a month based on what I pay monthly for electricity now. Even if 50 of that a month was interest the loan would still be paid off in less then 9 years.
                  My main point is if you want to stimulate sustainable alternate energies, don't give the money to companies to create the technologies nobody can afford. Give the money through affordable loans to the people who will use it to buy the technology. The companies will fill the needs.
                  Take these new 'see-through' solar cells for example. If the money was there for people to purchase windows made of these, the windows would be in production already.
                  How fast would you move if you knew you had a market waiting with 90 billion available to spend.
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        From the article.

        I wonder what changed in 2008 that caused us to lag behind.
        There's a few things that changed...One is the start of the recession.

        Also, that's about the time China figured out that the environment was a factor in their economy and decided to greatly scale up their green energy.

        As the article says, our wind installations are increasing. But China is just increasing at a faster rate. It isn't like we stopped installing wind turbines, or even slowed down, only that China got very aggressive and began installing them at a very aggressive rate.

        For example, if we installed 1000 turbines a year back then and China 500, then we install 1500 a year now and China installs 5000...we have increased our own installation rate but lost "share" to China, which is what actually happened.
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          There's a few things that changed...One is the start of the recession.

          Also, that's about the time China figured out that the environment was a factor in their economy and decided to greatly scale up their green energy.

          As the article says, our wind installations are increasing. But China is just increasing at a faster rate. It isn't like we stopped installing wind turbines, or even slowed down, only that China got very aggressive and began installing them at a very aggressive rate.

          For example, if we installed 1000 turbines a year back then and China 500, then we install 1500 a year now and China installs 5000...we have increased our own installation rate but lost "share" to China, which is what actually happened.
          Seems to me we should of started getting aggressive back in the 70's when we had that first oil shortage.
          There's really no excuse for us not leading the world in wind and solar power.
          If people believe the government is responsible for our energy policy, then the government needs to step up to the plate.
          It seems that the start of a recession would be the perfect time to push cheaper alternative energy sources instead of using it for an excuse for us lagging China. What does it tell you when China figured out the environment was a factor in their economy and we haven't.
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            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Seems to me we should of started getting aggressive back in the 70's when we had that first oil shortage.
            There's really no excuse for us not leading the world in wind and solar power.
            If people believe the government is responsible for our energy policy, then the government needs to step up to the plate.
            It seems that the start of a recession would be the perfect time to push cheaper alternative energy sources instead of using it for an excuse for us lagging China. What does it tell you when China figured out the environment was a factor in their economy and we haven't.
            I agree...And we can go back even further than the 70s. In the mid 50s, Eisenhower warned us about both being dependant on foreign oil, as well as the military industrialized complex.

            But, there's some advantages to a totalitarian government...China doesn't have to worry about what their population thinks or what special interest groups want. They can just do things.
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I agree...And we can go back even further than the 70s. In the mid 50s, Eisenhower warned us about both being dependant on foreign oil, as well as the military industrialized complex.

              But, there's some advantages to a totalitarian government...China doesn't have to worry about what their population thinks or what special interest groups want. They can just do things.
              Only difference between them and us is our government does what the special interest groups wants and don't worry about what we think.
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  • Profile picture of the author LL07
    There isn't much, but with technology and rising gas prices, there will be more. It isn't profitable to extract a lot of it, but it will be in the future. Unless we make developments in solar or other renewables, it will all get drilled eventually.
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    Here's the consequences of fracking...T Boone didn't tell me this part:


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      I originally supported fracking if done safely.
      So far though I haven't seen a lot of evidence that shows it to be safe. So now I say ban it until a proven safe way to do it has been found. Can't come up with a safe way? Then move on to something else.
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I originally supported fracking if done safely.
        So far though I haven't seen a lot of evidence that shows it to be safe. So now I say ban it until a proven safe way to do it has been found. Can't come up with a safe way? Then move on to something else.
        Hey Thom,

        We both supported it. But when new info was presented, we changed our minds.

        I believe we both just want the truth and what's best for the US. And being able to change your mind as new evidence is presented shows intellectual integrity.

        And...I didn't even bring up that fracking appears to be causing earth quakes in E. Texas.
        Study links fracking and earthquakes - SFGate

        How Fracking, Drilling and Earthquakes Are Linked | StateImpact Texas

        T Boone seems to have left some things out of his plan...And he does have alot of money to be made with natural gas. Not saying natural gas shouldn't be considered, but it sure seems we need some more info...
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  • We cant' subsidize wind and solar - Oh, no...we have to "level the playing field"...

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Why do we need MORE drilling when we made the Alaska pipeline for oil for us - and the Gov is allowing BP to sell OUR oil from that pipeline overseas. That was NOT part of the deal we were told about. If we got ALL of our oil that comes from that pipeline, we'd not be hurting so bad right now. Also we could stop making things of plastic - like bags and save millions of barrels a year. If we used hemp for reusable shopping bags instead of plastic we could have a cleaner earth and a sustainable production industry in hemp.

    Corn is a fiasco for ethanol. Natural grasses in the mid west would help restore envirornment, provide several times more crop for ethanol as it grows fast - is NATURAL and healthy food for cattle. It prevents run-off pollution, provides homes for many indigenous species, both plant and animal, restores soil rather than depleting it. Can you guess why this is only being done sparingly? Can you spell MONSANTO? It's better to kill the planet for a corporation than providing sustainable alternative energy and ecosystem restoration. Smart. Real damned smart.

    When I say force green energy - I don't mean force US to use it - I mean force the gov to allow us to have it. They are thinking only with their own personal wallets. They collectively make millions in personal money from oil companies. Until we stop that, our energy alternatives are going to suck wind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      When I say force green energy - I don't mean force US to use it - I mean force the gov to allow us to have it.
      Fair enough.

      When I hear force anything I automatically think of government imposition, my tax dollars going down the toilet, etc.

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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        Fair enough.

        When I hear force anything I automatically think of government imposition, my tax dollars going down the toilet, etc.

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        You probably won't ever hear me use that word in such a context. Trust me on that one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    AS far as green energy costing more...Let's look at the facts and do some math.

    Thom said it will cost him $15,000 to go solar. This is about average, and doesn't include the 30% tax credit. But we won't include the tax credit, as it doesn't actually lower the costs, only the costs to Thom.

    Let's say Thom's utility bill is $250 a month. That's $3,000 a year.

    Solar cells will produce electricity for 25 years.

    25 years x $3,000 per year is $75,000 in energy. But Thom is only paying $15,000. That's a $60,000 savings over coal/oil/gas based energy.

    It's true, Thom will probably need to swap out the battery banks a couple of times. But this is offset by the fact that the cost of energy will rise over the 25 years. And if the past is any indication, it will rise at a rate HIGHER than the average inflation for the same period.

    There's a good chance in 10 years, Thom will be paying $500 a month for oil-based energy and in 20 years, $1000 a month.

    I don't buy the argument that green energy is more expensive. The real numbers don't support that theory.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      My Grandson is a sophomore in high school this year. He goes to a brand new school.....100% powered by geothermal energy.

      There is progress being made but when you talk about alternative energy it has to be a package of energy sources. There are large parts of the country where wind is not reliable enough for wind turbines to function efficiently....where cloudy days make active solar power hit and miss.

      Geothermal is another option in some parts of the country and as long as the use of the energy is balanced properly...it's a totally renewable energy source.

      Even with wind, solar and geothermal we will have a need for some fossil fuel use mainly as backups and boosting energy during periods of day or season when solar/wind can't be relied on.

      We should be happy China is using wind energy as that cuts back on the oil they need and helps keep oil prices from demand spikes.

      What we need to be doing is rewarding businesses/homeowners/school systems that use alternative energy....instead of trying to promote companies aimed at making money in the industry.

      Money spent should go into research and development rather than into private commercial companies and startups.

      The biggest detriment to natural power is there is no big money to leech off as there is with oil drilling and coal mining. Thus the launching of carbon credits/energy credits/wetlands mitigation, etc. - programs that allow money to funnel through.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        My Grandson is a sophomore in high school this year. He goes to a brand new school.....100% powered by geothermal energy.

        There is progress being made but when you talk about alternative energy it has to be a package of energy sources. There are large parts of the country where wind is not reliable enough for wind turbines to function efficiently....where cloudy days make active solar power hit and miss.

        Geothermal is another option in some parts of the country and as long as the use of the energy is balanced properly...it's a totally renewable energy source.

        Even with wind, solar and geothermal we will have a need for some fossil fuel use mainly as backups and boosting energy during periods of day or season when solar/wind can't be relied on.
        Yep, we need a varied approach. While not perfect, green energy is far better than being as dependent on oil as we are. And the oil saved can be used for other things where there aren't alternatives, such as plastics and other materials.

        Actually, a large chunk of the US can use wind or solar to a great degree. It's your part of the country that really isn't good for wind or solar. However, the Gulf states can use wave/motion generators, as well as sea-based wind mills.

        And in many areas, when there's no sun, there's wind, and when there's no wind, there's sun.

        In Colorado, we get over 300 days of sunshine a year. An area in the S. Nevada desert that's 10 miles by 10 miles could generate enough electricity to power the entire country. Same for wind in the Mid West.

        The problem isn't that there isn't enough energy, it's that the grid isn't where the solar and wind energy is.

        An improved grid system would also allow for electricity to be transported to areas that need energy from the areas that have wind/sun.

        What we need to be doing is rewarding businesses/homeowners/school systems that use alternative energy....instead of trying to promote companies aimed at making money in the industry.

        Money spent should go into research and development rather than into private commercial companies and start-ups.

        The biggest detriment to natural power is there is no big money to leech off as there is with oil drilling and coal mining. Thus the launching of carbon credits/energy credits/wetlands mitigation, etc. - programs that allow money to funnel through.
        We are doing this to a great degree with the feds offering a tax credit for 30% of the installation, if it meets certain standards and creates more than 50% of your energy use.

        This doesn't include other state and local incentives that may come into play.
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      Kurt just wanted to let you know. Gov. Coumo just signed a couple bills into law that will make it easier and more affordable for commercial buildings and homes to convert to solar.
      From what I've heard he has a plan to make NY the leading state in solar use and manufacturing by 2025.
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Kurt just wanted to let you know. Gov. Coumo just signed a couple bills into law that will make it easier and more affordable for commercial buildings and homes to convert to solar.
        From what I've heard he has a plan to make NY the leading state in solar use and manufacturing by 2025.
        He'll be competing with Colorado for that title.

        It's a good move and the competition will be good for all.

        Along the Front Range of the Rockies and the edge of the Great Plains states, from South Dakota through New Mexico, we are in a unique situation were we get both a lot of sun and a lot of wind. I'm not sure there's many other areas in the World that can match this region for both.
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          He'll be competing with Colorado for that title.

          It's a good move and the competition will be good for all.

          Along the Front Range of the Rockies and the edge of the Great Plains states, from South Dakota through New Mexico, we are in a unique situation were we get both a lot of sun and a lot of wind. I'm not sure there's many other areas in the World that can match this region for both.
          I like competition myself it shows we're not alone in this
          We do pretty good with both the sun and wind here also. Riding through western NY a few weeks ago I saw something like 15 wind turbines dotting the hill tops. Just over the border from me in Hancock Ma. there are now 7 wind turbines where there was only one a couple years ago. Plus on Town Office Rd. in my town of Brunswick there is a farm that has a wind turbine that has been there for years. Seeing solar powered road signs and street lights is pretty common around here also now.
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    BTW Thom,

    My brother came up with an idea for a small DIY wind turbine. If you stumble across an old Model A or Model T alternator (actually a generator), they are great for wind because they will produce electricity at any speed, unlike modern alternators that only perform at high speed.

    Something to think about...
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