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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    We'll be hearing about more of these types of things as society continues its meltdown. Society always goes vicious during collapse.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      We'll be hearing about more of these types of things as society continues its meltdown. Society always goes vicious during collapse.
      Has there really been that many "more" crimes like this lately? Or did the media just pick up on the fact that a "good shoot-em-up story" equals HUGE ratings?

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        Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

        Has there really been that many "more" crimes like this lately? Or did the media just pick up on the fact that a "good shoot-em-up story" equals HUGE ratings?

        BP
        Our gov is trying to ditch out our 2nd amendment - and making people seriously afraid of guns makes it easier for them to do that. You will hear big news whenever anyone shoots someone - unless it is a citizen who shoots someone committing a crime against them - those stories will not be covered widely.

        As far as shootings. I believe they are escalating - but violence throughout the society in general is escalating. I firmly believe that it is because the high levels of psychotropic drugs and poisons in foods and the environment that cross the blood brain barrier are making people nuts as hell. One of the main reasons Rome fell was similar - the ruling class went crazy because they were drinking water from lead pipes.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Our gov is trying to ditch out our 2nd amendment - and making people seriously afraid of guns makes it easier for them to do that. You will hear big news whenever anyone shoots someone - unless it is a citizen who shoots someone committing a crime against them - those stories will not be covered widely.

          As far as shootings. I believe they are escalating - but violence throughout the society in general is escalating. I firmly believe that it is because the high levels of psychotropic drugs and poisons in foods and the environment that cross the blood brain barrier are making people nuts as hell. One of the main reasons Rome fell was similar - the ruling class went crazy because they were drinking water from lead pipes.
          Don't get me wrong. I firmly believe in everything you just stated, however, I think it must be stated that the media is out to get ratings these days. That is where my comment was coming from.

          I also believe that the world has always been corrupt. There have always been crazies, or rather those who ******* snapped and mass murdered people. I do think the media puts these stories to the forefront because, well, they get ratings.

          It's like a real-life CSI or Law and Order.

          Regardless. As an American society we are absolutely doomed. The things we worry about versus the things we should be worrying about are telling in and of itself.

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  • I saw this earlier - WOW! - Crazy, talk about getting kicked out of school on your first day...but the report I saw inferred he might have been bullied, and went home and came back...I don't know wth is going on anymore...

    On the other side of the crazy, I put a story thread in yesterday about a 3 yr old in pre-school who is deaf, named 'Hunter', and because the school is zero tolerance, they won't let him sign his own name, because it is a 'gun shape'...???
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    have a feeling that he was bullied by someone, and was scared to go to school for grade 9... And brought a gun to "protect himself" but, then just shot at someone who made fun of him.. that's what it looks like anyway.

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    People are sick in the head.
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

      Maybe they should stop promoting guns, gangs, drugs and violence on TV.

      Noooo instead they keep making it look cool and putting in front of kids eyes every day, then they pretend they're against it all on the news.

      Bloody hypocrites
      I just went to hs for 4 years straight. I never saw a gun, knife, nor have there ever been any of them in my school. Yet, almost every kid owns a gun (This is a hunting town).

      I think your wrong when you say that TV is making kids do it.

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        I just went to hs for 4 years straight. I never saw a gun, knife, nor have there ever been any of them in my school. Yet, almost every kid owns a gun (This is a hunting town).

        I think your wrong when you say that TV is making kids do it.

        Caleb
        Back in the mid to late 50's and early 60's when I was in school it was common to see guns brought to school during hunting season.
        Every kid I knew (males) carried at least a pocket knife, some carried hunting knives. The guns would go into the cloakroom in your homeroom and nobody touched them.
        Yes we had bullies back then, but nobody thought about shooting them or pulling their knife on them. If they tried to beat you up you either fought back (with your fists) or took the beating.

        Violence has been escalating since the 60's and is still at a much higher rate then it was then. This is from one of the articles I read that Kurt posted his g search to saying crime is at it's lowest point in decades.
        The number of violent crimes has fallen about 12 percent since 2006, the last year that category showed an increase, the records show. Property crime has dropped about 14 percent since 2002, when property crimes rates last grew.
        Crime may be dropping a little, but it's still a hell of a lot higher then it was when I was a kid.
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        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        I just went to hs for 4 years straight. I never saw a gun, knife, nor have there ever been any of them in my school. Yet, almost every kid owns a gun (This is a hunting town).

        I think your wrong when you say that TV is making kids do it.

        Caleb
        I grew up in similar circumstances....in fact we had at least 15 guns in the house...all loaded.

        Nothing ever happened because we were taught to respect and understand the danger. We were educated. ...and in a town like yours...there is a much higher level of education and understanding inherent in those gun families.

        ...and this high school kid....while bullying may have been what set him off...I think he was predisposed to this level of violence toward another human being anyway.

        You either have it in you to do it or you don't.
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        • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
          Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

          I grew up in similar circumstances....in fact we had at least 15 guns in the house...all loaded.

          Nothing ever happened because we were taught to respect and understand the danger. We were educated. ...and in a town like yours...there is a much higher level of education and understanding inherent in those gun families.

          ...and this high school kid....while bullying may have been what set him off...I think he was predisposed to this level of violence toward another human being anyway.

          You either have it in you to do it or you don't.
          He was in the custody of his mother: "The news station went to the house where Gladden lives with his mother on Monday afternoon; a sign on the door read "We don't call 911," and had a picture of a revolver on it, reporters said. No one in the house would comment on the shooting." (Source: Maryland school shooting suspect, who dad says was bullied, is charged with attempted murder - U.S. News)

          A lot of people around here have guns, but they can't be loaded, or viewable, and have to be in a locked safe (not just a locked room) Etc Etc, if there legal. Not saying that it makes a difference, but I'm sure it could.

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        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        I just went to hs for 4 years straight. I never saw a gun, knife, nor have there ever been any of them in my school. Yet, almost every kid owns a gun (This is a hunting town).

        I think your wrong when you say that TV is making kids do it.

        Caleb
        You're right, but they are STILL hypocrites! I have watched VERY violent movies, read very violent books, been attacked, threatened, etc... I was even around guns of ALL sorts that I could have used freely until I was like a teenager, and yet I NEVER brought one to school, NEVER threatened, and didn't even think of buying one until like the 90s when they threatened to outlaw them. The only thing I ever aimed at was a target in a sanctioned area.

        But some people seem to QUICKLY think of such things and such films just seem to encourage them.

        BTW for the record, though one person I knew in school CLAIMED to have a gun, I never saw anyone with one. I was in at least 2 schools where some had a gang mentality though.

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      Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

      Maybe they should stop promoting guns, gangs, drugs and violence on TV.

      Noooo instead they keep making it look cool and putting in front of kids eyes every day, then they pretend they're against it all on the news.

      Bloody hypocrites
      I was just laughing at my TV license as it came through the post today:

      "Switch on, Sit Back. Tune In, Wind Down. Curl up and enjoy a years worth of TV".

      In reality, I don't think anyone is "winding down" watching the crap that they broadcast. People are being programmed negatively.

      I've lost count of the amount of cheesey reality cop shows that exist now. A full hour dedicated to showing police bash down heroin addicts doors or chasing some kid on the street. It couldn't be any more monotonous. The fear the media tries to instill in people is beyond measure.
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  • Profile picture of the author DorisS
    jeez, it keeps happening.. it's horrible
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    FBI stats show that violent crime has gone DOWN each of the past 5 years and is at the lowest rate in decades. And if we take into account the bad recession we've been in for most of that time, it's even more impressive as poor economies ususally mean higher crime.

    https://www.google.com/search?source...0&aqi=g4&pbx=1

    Other studies show that war is at the lowest rate in recorded history. There are fewer people being killed in wars now than ever before.

    I hate to be the bearer of "bad" news for all the gloom and doom folks, but things are actually getting better, not worse. What is really happening is that there are cameras everywhere and a 24 hour news cycle. We are just being shown bad things more often. However, this doesn't mean there are more bad things.
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        Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

        You can throw all the stats at us you want. But it's a fact society and living standards in general has gone down the toilet. Maybe there was more crime years ago, but maybe it was more hidden and had less effect on the average person on the street. (depending on where you live of course).

        So yes maybe you're correct with your stats, but the average person now is a worse person than say 15-20+ years ago.

        I understand crime and what I'm saying are kind of separate issues, but nothing is getting better mate, nothing at all and will get so much worse in the next few years none of us are going to believe it.

        The good times are over, time to get back to reality.
        You can deny facts and reality all you want, but the facts are the facts.

        And they aren't "my" stats. They are THE stats. It's funny how people try to discredit reality if it doesn't match their own made-up opinions.

        Keep denying that you are living in the greatest time ever to be alive. Maybe you'd be happier behind a couple of oxen plowing fields 80 hours a week just to put food on the table and hoping your farms won't be raided by enemy armies...
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          • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
            Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

            Haha "greatest time" what a joke. The last 15 years have been the worst times in more recent history

            I'm not saying we havent had worse times but I'll take the 60s, 70s, 80s and most of the 90s over now thankyou very much.
            Sure you can have the WWI, and WWII times & the cold war. Since none of those are worse times in history then now, at least for you.
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              Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

              Sure you can have the WWI, and WWII times & the cold war. Since none of those are worse times in history then now, at least for you.
              Actually, that was after WWII and LONG after WWI "Cold war" is a sick joke! It was a term effectively used to sell news and papers. It is called a war because there was a war mentality! It is called COLD because the main players never went HOT, that is to say they never attacked one another via those weapons. By that definition, the cold war is NOT over! Russia, Cuba, China, the US, etc... are STILL effectively at war. They are watching one another, trying to keep on par, etc... In any event, the cold war meant that people didn't die, etc...

              Now, if you want to speak of attacks on other nations, etc... 1990 to now is STILL pretty bad! IRAQ, AFGANISTAN, IRAN, ETC... And THOSE wars were NOT cold!

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  • Profile picture of the author distar
    this is bad. everyday we hear news like this. but there is absolutely nothing we can do about it
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Look at the source of those stats...nuff said.
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    Caleb, your a good kid and a smart kid, but this is the only time you have known.
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    Ernie, his point in that those times were worse than now, even though you admitted there were some previously worse times. At least that is what I got out of his post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Ernie, his point in that those times were worse than now, even though you admitted there were some previously worse times. At least that is what I got out of his post.
      I was a little incoherent in my post, probably because I only slept for 3 hours last night... apologize.

      The point I was trying to make is that, I personally believe that we're living in one of the best times, because our society is on a "high". There are no world wars (other then small wars inside countries - but nothing on a worldwide scale), and we are better equipped to handle things.. Our technology is also changing at a rapid pace.

      You may look at it differently, and one reason for that, is that we're from different countries, and possibly different areas. There has only been 2 murders in the 10 years, I've lived in this area... (45k+ people). Even though, the biggest drug bust in Canada happened a few blocks from my house - as well as a secondary drug bust a few years back... it's not for lack of crime, just very little violent crime.

      Anyway, hopefully that clarifies what I meant. I get what Kims saying when he says that I haven't lived through other times... and while that's true, I'm looking at things from a historical perspective, so I do have an idea what previous times were like.

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          Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

          Hi Caleb, you seem quite young so we can't expect you to understand what times were like back then. I'm no grandpa myself being 26, but I remember the early to mid 90's and life was very different to now.

          Back then people where different. We still had a lot of freedoms we don't have anymore. We had freedom of speech and the gov wasn't trying to be our grannies like they do know. (well not to the same extent).

          Society wasn't uptight about everything and we could still have a joke or speak our mind on homosexuality, sexist views etc without being hounded on by the Political correctness police. Women put their kids ahead of their "career". Women dressed more like ladies and not prostitutes and kids played outside.

          We could have a cigarette without being treated like a 2nd class citizen and overall people didn't look to blame everyone or sue people for every little damn thing. We still had some dignity and common sense.

          Music was more tasteful and didn't promote sex and partying 24/7 like today. Celebrities became famous due to their talent, not by being an idiot or making a sex tape.

          12 year olds didn't work mini skirts for example like some do today!

          TV and cartoons were miles ahead of the viewing we have now. No reality tv shows and that's the way I like it!

          House prices were affordable and not some get rich quick scheme.

          Sure we didn't have some of the luxuries like we do know. But having more "toys" will never make anyone happy in the first place.

          As bad as things are today, I have a feeling you'll be just like me in 10-20 years time talking about the good old days, because we are in for some really bad times ahead. The economy mainly.
          Sure, I don't agree with the current witch hunt of people who express their personal opinions, like chic fil a CEO Dan Cathy.

          Your taking a totalatarian look to the US, from the sounds of it almost. It sounds like a chapter from 1984 with the thought police.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Written history and what really happened are rarely the same,as we have learned time and time again.
    You can know the Vietnam war happened, I can know how it really affected people. I didn't fight in it,I missed it by months,but my brother is a Viet vet.
    My father fought in Korea,even though offiicially that was never a war. I know how it affected him.

    And maybe in Canada it IS one of the best times. Here in the US I have witnessed the downfall of America from being a once great country where I could carry a pocket knife as a kid, I could walk the streets at night without fear, to one where you have to worry about gangs of kids beating homeless people to death, just to see what it feels like. Where treating women like crap and calling them biatches is ok. And where I could actually go to school or even send my children to school without having to worry about some psycho shooting them.
    And I am sorry,but you can't blame events like this on bullying.(I know some will disagree with me),but bullying has been around longer than any of us,and yet it didn't cause social psychopaths to go out and kill.

    And now we have to fear the authorities just as much as the psychopaths.

    I could go on and on,but am not going to.
    Bottom line is that it is sad that the event that you originally posted about happened,but while even just a couple decades ago it would have been an isolated event,nowadays it isnt. Sad,
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    Daniel,
    What is a tv license?
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Daniel,
      What is a tv license?
      Another tax we pay to pay for programmes on a few BBC channels which don't feature adverts for funding.

      It extends into PC media too.

      It cost £145.50 this year.

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    "Your taking a totalatarian look to the US, from the sounds of it almost. It sounds like a chapter from 1984 with the thought police."

    BINGO!

    And that was my point. A lot of kids these days accept what they see as'well,that's just the way it is" when in fact that is not the way it was and not the way it should be,but is the way it is only because of how they have been raised as and don't know any better.

    Just aboput 15 years ago I could have a 09AM flight and get to the airport at 8Am and still have time for a bagel and a cup of coffee, now after 9/11 people are told to get there 3 hours before there flight. Why? So they can get through the TSA BS,which DOES violate my civil rights.

    We now have the "Patriot Act" which in reality should be called the "anti-American Act" As ,once again,all it basically does is violate American's constitutional rights.

    Honestly, I don't know why Ernie is so concerned about America since it says he lives in Australia, but I am thankful for any world citizen that sees what is going on here and is willing to voice their opinion about it.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "Your taking a totalatarian look to the US, from the sounds of it almost. It sounds like a chapter from 1984 with the thought police."

      BINGO!

      And that was my point. A lot of kids these days accept what they see as'well,that's just the way it is" when in fact that is not the way it was and not the way it should be,but is the way it is only because of how they have been raised as and don't know any better.

      Just aboput 15 years ago I could have a 09AM flight and get to the airport at 8Am and still have time for a bagel and a cup of coffee, now after 9/11 people are told to get there 3 hours before there flight. Why? So they can get through the TSA BS,which DOES violate my civil rights.

      We now have the "Patriot Act" which in reality should be called the "anti-American Act" As ,once again,all it basically does is violate American's constitutional rights.

      Honestly, I don't know why Ernie is so concerned about America since it says he lives in Australia, but I am thankful for any world citizen that sees what is going on here and is willing to voice their opinion about it.
      I have a question for you... do you feel safer with or without the TSA? I dealt with having my butt grabbed cause I left a couple one dollar bills in my back pocket going through their scanner...

      But, I understood WHY they do it. - The TSA Blog: TSA Week in Review: BB Gun in a Book - what if this had gotten on to the plane..

      In Canada, the charter of rights and freedoms, states that you have the rights to pretty much everything (free speech, opinion, media etc etc, freedom, etc) but you do not have the rights to impede the rights of anyone else.

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        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        I have a question for you... do you feel safer with or without the TSA? I dealt with having my butt grabbed cause I left a couple one dollar bills in my back pocket going through their scanner...

        But, I understood WHY they do it. - The TSA Blog: TSA Week in Review: BB Gun in a Book - what if this had gotten on to the plane..

        In Canada, the charter of rights and freedoms, states that you have the rights to pretty much everything (free speech, opinion, media etc etc, freedom, etc) but you do not have the rights to impede the rights of anyone else.

        Caleb
        Without, they have yet to catch or stop a terrorist, but they have searched many a baby and old lady trying:rolleyes:
        What if a BB gun got on a plane? So what. If the person pulled it out either the armed federal marshal on the plane would of stopped them or the passengers would have.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          have a feeling that he was bullied by someone, and was scared to go to school for grade 9... And brought a gun to "protect himself" but, then just shot at someone who made fun of him.. that's what it looks like anyway
          Blame it on society - and govt - and bullying....and you give people excuses for being idiots.

          You want to blame someone? Blame parents who coddle kids till they're so soft they can't take anything except praise. Blame parents who allow kids to stay constantly in touch by phone and social media and never learn to handle a situation or make a decision on their own.

          Blame a society that gives trophies just for showing up.

          Blame whoever bought a gun and left it where a kid could access it...and put them in the cell next to the kid so they both grow up.

          I don't excuse these mindless shootings or the people who do them. It's like a toddler temper tantrum...with a weapon. Every kid who goes from middle school to high school is nervous about making that transition. It's part of growing up - as is learning to deal with fear and with people who don't like you. Shooting them is not a good approach.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "Your taking a totalatarian look to the US, from the sounds of it almost. It sounds like a chapter from 1984 with the thought police."

      BINGO!

      And that was my point. A lot of kids these days accept what they see as'well,that's just the way it is" when in fact that is not the way it was and not the way it should be,but is the way it is only because of how they have been raised as and don't know any better.

      Just aboput 15 years ago I could have a 09AM flight and get to the airport at 8Am and still have time for a bagel and a cup of coffee, now after 9/11 people are told to get there 3 hours before there flight. Why? So they can get through the TSA BS,which DOES violate my civil rights.

      We now have the "Patriot Act" which in reality should be called the "anti-American Act" As ,once again,all it basically does is violate American's constitutional rights.

      Honestly, I don't know why Ernie is so concerned about America since it says he lives in Australia, but I am thankful for any world citizen that sees what is going on here and is willing to voice their opinion about it.
      A lot of the civilized world, INCLUDING CANADA BTW, is tied together in ways we can only imagine. So everyone should be concerned about the US, just like the US is concerned about them. Look at the US news, and financial markets, and how they react to china and europe. And have you noticed how the major events, like recessions, tend to happen as if they were ONE country? SURE there may be a week or even a years difference, but a year in a decade doesn't seem like a bg stretch. HECK, the US speaks of 1929. Look at a chart some time. 1929 wasn't that bad. It went on to about 1933!

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    Let's try not to venture this thread into "Politics" as...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...forbidden.html

    This thread will just get whacked...
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      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      Let's try not to venture this thread into "Politics" as...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...forbidden.html

      This thread will just get whacked...
      I tried to word it so that it didnt get into either. But to answer your question,no,I do not feel safer.
      As a amtter of fact, I tried to steer it back onto your OP.
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    Caleb, I grew up around guns a portion of every year. I stayed with my aunt and uncle,who was an avid hunter. My aunt used an axe to chop the head off the chicken we were going to eat that evening for dinner.
    The gun is an instrument, it does not get up and kill by itself.

    But when you have music that advocates killing cops,the "thug" lifestyle, using and selling drugs that do kill,then yes, I do believe that they can have a negative impact.
    When you have Sh*t tv,which is 99% of what America broadcasts nowadays,that advocates bad behavior,,again,yes it has a negative impact.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    I have a question for you... do you feel safer with or without the TSA? I dealt with having my butt grabbed cause I left a couple one dollar bills in my back pocket going through their scanner...
    I think you meant "one dollar coins"!
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      I think you meant "one dollar coins"!
      No, I flew America Domestic, I had all one dollar bills (all that was left after the WF Event - LOL).

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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        No, I flew America Domestic, I had all one dollar bills (all that was left after the WF Event - LOL).

        Caleb
        Sorry, Caleb. I was thinking the dollar "coins" may have set off alarms.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          I just don't know.

          All I know is this.

          In 1962 when I started Kindergarten and all the way through the end of high school (1975) the worst thing that ever happened to me was I got punched by a bully.

          Nobody shot me.
          Nobody stabbed me.

          I never even worried about it happening.

          Better world than 50 years ago?

          Maybe Ernie's right. I don't feel as safe now as I did back then.

          Just sayin,
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I just don't know.

            All I know is this.

            In 1962 when I started Kindergarten and all the way through the end of high school (1975) the worst thing that ever happened to me was I got punched by a bully.

            Nobody shot me.
            Nobody stabbed me.

            I never even worried about it happening.

            Better world than 50 years ago?

            Maybe Ernie's right. I don't feel as safe now as I did back then.

            Just sayin,
            Oh, you kids
            That's what I was saying in my post Steve. Many of the kids I went to school with would bring in their rifles during hunting season because they would hunt before and after school. Yet nobody ever thought about shooting anyone in school. Yep we had school bullies and I was beat up more then once. I never ever thought about bringing a weapon to defend myself, instead I learned how to fight back with my fists and more importantly with my mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I just don't know.

            All I know is this.

            In 1962 when I started Kindergarten and all the way through the end of high school (1975) the worst thing that ever happened to me was I got punched by a bully.

            Nobody shot me.
            Nobody stabbed me.

            I never even worried about it happening.

            Better world than 50 years ago?

            Maybe Ernie's right. I don't feel as safe now as I did back then.

            Just sayin,
            Absolutely right Steven.

            Growing up I had a few scuffles here and there,but nothing that scarred me for life.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I think that that a major reason behind all these young people shooting other people is that over the past few decades, more and more are young males have an inner strong anger.

      I also think that that relates to the degradation and break down of the family unit. There are so many boys being raised in fatherless homes where the mother has to be the father, mother, disciplinarian and breadwinner. A lot of times they are on they own with no help from their families. This leaves those boys with no positive male role model and the moms with no much needed support system.That is a hard situation for those moms to be in and I commend these mothers as I know they do it because they love their kids. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work and that breaks my heart.

      Dead beat dad's are a major cause for this anger and so I agree with Kay that it falls under parenting, just from a different perspective.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        I think you meant "one dollar coins"!
        Is that what you have in Canada? We have $1 coins here in the states but for some reason people just wont use them. I like them myself.

        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        No, I flew America Domestic, I had all one dollar bills (all that was left after the WF Event - LOL).

        Caleb
        I was wondering about your statement about being grabbed,because I thought TSA was only in the USA.Now I understand. You were only about an hour and 1/2 drive from me at that event. I can't get to Florida,but I am getting better every day so maybe we will meet up at one soon.

        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        I think that that a major reason behind all these young people shooting other people is that over the past few decades, more and more are young males have an inner strong anger.

        I also think that that relates to the degradation and break down of the family unit. There are so many boys being raised in fatherless homes where the mother has to be the father, mother, disciplinarian and breadwinner. A lot of times they are on they own with no help from their families. This leaves those boys with no positive male role model and the mom's with no much needed support system.That is a hard situation for those mom's to be in and I commend these mothers as I know they do it because they love their kids. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work and that breaks my heart.

        Dead beat dad's are a major cause for this anger and so I agree with Kay that it falls under parenting, just from a different perspective.

        Terra
        One of the few times I completely disagree with you Terra.
        While it is the breakdown of the family unit contributing,there are so many children being raised in homes without one parent or the other. This is not just the male of the species fault. The mothers of these kids have just as loose morals at the fathers. Don't forget,it takes two to make that baby,and I have seen just as many young girls that have no business having given birth as I have seen boys that the girls have allowed to get them pregnant.
        As far as raising their kids because they love them? Look around, you will see these mothers letting their kids wallow in dirty diapers because they can't put their cell phone down.
        Almost every child I see now mimics their mommy holding the phone to the ear.
        While I agree a lot of fault lies with the parenting (or lack of),it is not just the males fault.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          One of the few times I completely disagree with you Terra.
          While it is the breakdown of the family unit contributing,there are so many children being raised in homes without one parent or the other. This is not just the male of the species fault. The mothers of these kids have just as loose morals at the fathers. Don't forget,it takes two to make that baby,and I have seen just as many young girls that have no business having given birth as I have seen boys that the girls have allowed to get them pregnant.
          As far as raising their kids because they love them? Look around, you will see these mothers letting their kids wallow in dirty diapers because they can't put their cell phone down.
          Almost every child I see now mimics their mommy holding the phone to the ear.
          While I agree a lot of fault lies with the parenting (or lack of),it is not just the males fault.
          Darn it, Kim! :p

          The exact things you just stated went through my head as I was posting as someone coming in and being upset at what I said.

          As a matter of fact, the reason I wrote that mothers do it because they love their kids was because some single mom's do an excellent job and raise truly wonderful kids and I didn't want to offend them.

          I tried to offset what you just said by saying that poor parenting was to blame thinking that everyone knows parents are both female and male even though I went with the father example.

          I am in total concurrence to what you wrote.

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Darn it, Kim! :p

            The exact things you just stated went through my head as I was posting as someone coming in and being upset at what I said.

            As a matter of fact, the reason I wrote that mothers do it because they love their kids was because some single mom's do an excellent job and raise truly wonderful kids and I didn't want to offend them.

            I tried to offset what you just said by saying that poor parenting was to blame thinking that everyone knows parents are both female and male even though I went with the father example.

            I am in total concurrence to what you wrote.

            Terra
            <standing outside,shaking fist at the sun> dammit Terra! I can no longer disagree with you!!
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              <standing outside,shaking fist at the sun> dammit Terra! I can no longer disagree with you!!
              And the earth just returned to its axis as Kim and Terra disagreeing is a rare occurrence that sets the world off kilter.

              Terra
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                And the earth just returned to its axis as Kim and Terra disagreeing is a rare occurrence that sets the world off kilter.

                Terra
                I think the three of us feel the same way about a lot of things because we
                grew up around the same era where there were family values and, for the most
                part, people understood the difference between right and wrong and cared.

                Today? I'm not so sure anymore.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                  I think the three of us feel the same way about a lot of things because we
                  grew up around the same era where there were family values and, for the most
                  part, people understood the difference between right and wrong and cared.

                  Today? I'm not so sure anymore.
                  I think you're quite right, Steve, and I'll throw Thom, HeySal and Dave Patterson into that mix as well when it comes to same era, family values, integrity and morals, as well consciences that aren't out of whack.

                  Terra
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                  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    I think you're quite right, Steve, and I'll throw Thom, HeySal and Dave Patterson into that mix as well when it comes to same era, family values, integrity and morals, as well consciences that aren't out of whack.

                    Terra
                    LOL, what am I, chopped liver?! :p
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                    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

                      LOL, what am I, chopped liver?! :p
                      Naw Canadian (thom runs for cover, hoping Jody isn't a good shot)
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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Not at all, Jody, it's just that I don't know how old you are and if you aren't somewhere in the vicinity age wise as those mentioned, I thought I might offend. Offending friends is the last thing I ever want to do.

                      I would have listed even more, but didn't because of not knowing ages.

                      Terra

                      Edit: Haha Thom!
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                      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
                        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                        Not at all, Jody, it's just that I don't know how old you are and if you aren't somewhere in the vicinity age wise as those mentioned, I thought I might offend. Offending friends is the last thing I ever want to do.

                        I would have listed even more, but didn't because of not knowing ages.

                        Terra

                        Edit: Haha Thom!
                        I'm over the 1/2 century mark! That should count for something.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                          Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

                          I'm over the 1/2 century mark! That should count for something.
                          It sure does!

                          Consider yourself duly included!

                          Terra
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                          • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            It sure does!

                            Consider yourself duly included!

                            Terra
                            I am close to inclusion as well...



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                            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                              Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

                              I am close to inclusion as well...



                              Caleb
                              Well, I can't disagree with that if we go with this definition of inclusion:

                              the belief that all people should feel that they are included in society, even if they lack some advantages.

                              You do meet most of the criteria with an exception of the advantage of growing up in the same era.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      I think you meant "one dollar coins"!
      Didn't you hear? Several years ago, they changed things! You are allowed to have REGULAR underwear, socks, pants, or, for women, a dress and stockings as well. ANYTHING else and you might get felt up! So WHAT will cause them to feel you up so?

      ANY metal!
      BELTS(even without buckles, etc....)
      SHOES
      ANY papers
      UNDERWIRE in bras.
      ANY unexplained bump, etc....
      ANY credit cards or IDs

      HECK, even LAPTOPS must be undressed! They must be out in the open with NO case.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Didn't you hear? Several years ago, they changed things! You are allowed to have REGULAR underwear, socks, pants, or, for women, a dress and stockings as well. ANYTHING else and you might get felt up! So WHAT will cause them to feel you up so?

        ANY metal!
        BELTS(even without buckles, etc....)
        SHOES
        ANY papers
        UNDERWIRE in bras.
        ANY unexplained bump, etc....
        ANY credit cards or IDs

        HECK, even LAPTOPS must be undressed! They must be out in the open with NO case.

        Steve
        Welcome back to the forum Steve.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

          Welcome back to the forum Steve.
          Thanks! I ran out of thanks. 8-(

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Those who say that the crime rate is going down, are probably cherry picking those stats. If you trace many of them back, you'll see that they come from a source who's jobs are usually incumbent upon having a low crime rate.

    But let me cherry pick a few of my own stats... For instance here in Chicago, a town well known for it's "Community Organizing", there has been a huge spike in violent crimes - murders in particular.
    Opinion: The Deadliest Global City | NBC Chicago

    While the news is concentrating on that one killing in Maryland, there have been 9 killings at that same time here in Chicago.

    And as far as wars go - There have been more casualties in the last 27 months in Afghanistan, than in the entire 11 years of that war.



    As far as these school shootings go, I think that the parents of these kids with guns should be held just as (if not more) responsible as the kids doing the shootings. Start making these parents pay in a very public way. Make parents not only pay attention to their own kids, but also to any weapons they have in the house. I'm also a hunter, but as soon as I had kids, those guns NEVER leave the safe without me. And my kids don't touch them without me being right there, and they also do not touch them until they fully understand the meaning of life and death.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Is that what you have in Canada? We have $1 coins here in the states but for some reason people just wont use them. I like them myself.
    Both our dollar and two dollar bills have been replaced by coins. I hate them, they are too heavy.

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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Both our dollar and two dollar bills have been replaced by coins. I hate them, they are too heavy.

      I think ours are only slightly heavier than our quarter. As a matter of fact the most often complaint in the past was that people got them mixed up with the quarter. Before they went to the smaller version they did have a dollar coint that was much bigger and heavier though. I hated it when the stopped using them. For magicians,both the 1/2 dollar and dollar coins were the perfect size for certain feats of magic to be performed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Both our dollar and two dollar bills have been replaced by coins. I hate them, they are too heavy.

      Visa Paypass is easier to use then paying cash where I am... some of the kids can't even count out change...

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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        Visa Paypass is easier to use then paying cash where I am... some of the kids can't even count out change...

        Caleb
        I just use a debit card. I keep a credit card on hand just in case. Very seldom, do I carry cash - that's not always a good thing though.

        A few weeks ago, I went to a town about 20 minutes away from my place. I picked up a few items I needed then proceeded to pay with my debit card. I had just done some online banking prior to leaving the house, so new there wasn't a problem with that particular account.

        The gal runs my card through the machine a couple of times, and nothing. Just then a man comes into the store and tells us a dump truck took down a telephone line about a mile down the road.

        I went to the bank - what a farce. I couldn't get money. I couldn't use my credit card. I asked for them to print me a check as I didn't have one on hand. The bank was literally "out of service". They had electricity, yet with the phone lines down, they couldn't help one single customer in the half hour I waited there.

        As advanced as technology has come, it certainly has its downfalls.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    If we could go back to a time that was most perfect (as far as my experience of society) it would be to just after the vietnam war ended. The population had not exploded yet and there was open land all over the place - plenty of room to roam. There were still streams you could drink out of. There were jobs wherever you wanted one and they paid enough to allow you to live in relative comfort - enough food and heat to be comfortable. Food was still mostly real food and families didn't have to work so many hours to survive that they didn't have time for the children they had produced. People were playful and full of curiosity. Metaphysics were being explored. (Anyone remember the time hundreds gathered to see if they could levitate the Pentagon?) Protests happened, but police didn't spray people with chemicals, shoot them with electricity every time someone was irritating to them. We had whacked out styles, and whacked out ideas - and the only repercussion of saying something that someone didn't like was that they would think you were a dickhead. If companies treated workers like crap - employees would simply walk out. If companies treated customers like crap, customers boycotted. If you needed a cop you didn't have to be scared to call one - and you wouldn't have become a victim of a cop if you did call them. There was bigotry - but not the sheer hate there were in former times or the sheer hate that exists now. We felt safe - and felt like we could do anything we wanted to do. Nobody was watching every move we made or listening to every word we spoke. When we had enemies we knew where they were. If you went to a park, you walked past kids playing in the sunshine with no sign of parents - and nobody was concerned about that.

    Then the 80's rolled around and things started to change very rapidly to become where we are today with corporations and government melted into one entity, repression and oppression rampant. People living in the streets and eating only because of government dole. And every word you say and every move you make being scrutinized -- and with a threat of martial law and due process a thing of the past. Anyone who is not scared in these times is just not looking around with eyes open.
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    Ironically Sal, the 80s,even then,was coined "the me decade".
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  • Profile picture of the author imperets
    They should ban guns in the USA. Only the police and the military should be allowed to own and carry firearms. Like in any normal country.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by imperetse View Post

      They should ban guns in the USA. Only the police and the military should be allowed to own and carry firearms. Like in any normal country.
      You don't have where you are from in your profile,but I really don't need to know to state the obvious.
      You are an idiot.
      I am interested in hearing your definition of a "normal Country" though. :rolleyes:
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