The FBI Raided My Home Town Tubby's

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

OMG!

The FBI raided our Tubby's today and the owner's home in West Bloomfield. Rumors are he was building explosives!

Scarey!

FBI raids Lake Orion Tubby's

Terra

That is a hard charge to beat. take any three random things, and you potentially have a device to deliver explosives.

If he is guilty, good they got him.. score one for the good guys...

if not...

man o man it sucks to be him right now

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Kay King

12 years ago

We'll just wait and see what happens and find out what he was doing, if he was doing anything at all. If it was nothing, go back to our normal days, and if it was something, we'll let it play out," said Folkoff.

I found that comment refreshing - good to know there are still people who wait for the facts before they start crucifying someone.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I found that comment refreshing - good to know there are still people who wait for the facts before they start crucifying someone.

As refreshing as that may be, how often does the FBI raid a place for "nothing"?

I mean they raided his business too and they brought out boxes and such from both places.

If the FBI is wrong though, because of the man's nationality, there could be some major back lash.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

As refreshing as that may be, how often does the FBI raid a place for "nothing'?

I mean they raided his business too and they brought out boxes and such from both places.

If the FBI is wrong though, because of the man's nationality, there could be some major back lash.

I can not answer that. but i can say,
they raided my business, 6 days after 911 because I employed
people who went to emery riddle aeronautical university.

they shut me down COMPLETELY for 3 days.

ha.. actually, i had a few incomplete job apps... they even tried to fine me.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

I can not answer that. but i can say,
they raided my business, 6 days after 911 because I employed
people who went to emery riddle aeronautical university.

they shut me down COMPLETELY for 3 days.

ha.. actually, i had a few incomplete job apps... they even tried to fine me.

Whoa!

Yeah, things have gone crazy after 911. There's no doubt about that. I rather dread flying now. The time they pulled me aside and had me frisked and searched for no reason while hubby watched wide eyed and helpless to help me kind of did it in for me. They were yelling at me and talking to me like I was dirt. Almost had me in tears

Terra

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Patrician

12 years ago

He probably wasn't doing anything wrong because the neighbors say he keeps up his lawn.

Terrorists do not do lawns.

LOL - sorry - it always cracks me up how neighbors figure somebody is good or bad - and of course if he did let his grass die, (seriously) he would be weird. (how ugly)

It's ok - I used to have an Aunt (RIP) that thought anybody that had crooked shades was a gypsy. As silly as it is I am always sure not to have anything like that. Nope, not me...

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Patrician

...It's ok - I used to have an Aunt (RIP) that thought anybody that had crooked shades was a gypsy. As silly as it is I am always sure not to have anything like that. Nope, not me...

Ha! Crap!

Every time the grand kids visit, the neighbors must think I'm a gypsy, lol!

Terra

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Originally Posted by Patrician

He probably wasn't doing anything wrong because the neighbors say he keeps up his lawn.

Terrorists do not do lawns.

He may have a mole problem with his lawn and have been making explosives to blow the little buggers to pieces.

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Patrician

12 years ago

Watch it G-Ma or we will send the health department!

heheheheheheh

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12 years ago

The FBI, etc... is OFTEN wrong! Just today I watched an episode of the sadly named "American Greed". They spoke of how the FBI PAID a crook to "help" them while he hatched a fantastic international crime syndicate, UNDER THEIR NOSES!

You don't hear about a lot of their successes, and even EWER of their failures.

But not all people hoarding arms are evil murderers! In fact, most probably AREN'T!

Steve

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Patrician

12 years ago

Nonetheless - if they prevented deaths and mayhem then what is a little inconvenience?Or even a lot? Better safe than sorry. Maybe they will catch one of the rat *******s.

Nothing is perfect.

Of course I hope Mr. Tubby is innocent.

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HeySal

12 years ago

I don't find it "refreshing" at all that they raided a man's business and home and aren't even all that sure he's doing anything wrong or not. That's called "police state".

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I don't find it "refreshing" at all that they raided a man's business and home and aren't even all that sure he's doing anything wrong or not. That's called "police state".

Larry Folkoff is the one that isn't "all that sure". Folkoff is the neighbor, not a member of the FBI that raided the place. You've somehow transposed "they" (The FBI) with a neighbor of the suspect (Folkoff), a slightly important distinction IMO.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Larry Folkoff is the one that isn't "all that sure". Folkoff is the neighbor, not a member of the FBI that raided the place. You've somehow transposed "they" (The FBI) with a neighbor of the suspect (Folkoff), a slightly important distinction IMO.

Yep - seems that is exactly what I just did.

Okay - well that's my signal that it's waaaaaay past my bedtime.

Goodnight Gracie.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Well, we'll find out more at his court arraignment today.

@Steve,

You're right, just because you have a lot of guns doesn't mean you're up to no good. Before my dad passed, he had 3 whole cases full of them. He was an avid hunter and a shooting instructor at a target range.

It was the allegations of constructing explosives that was scarey.

Terra

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Well, we'll find out more at his court arraignment today.

@Steve,

You're right, just because you have a lot of guns doesn't mean you're up to no good. Before my dad passed, he had 3 whole cases full of them. He was an avid hunter and a shooting instructor at a target range.

It was the allegations of constructing explosives that was scarey.

Terra

OK, guess I missed the explosives part.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I don't find it "refreshing" at all that they raided a man's business and home and aren't even all that sure he's doing anything wrong or not. That's called "police state".

What they hope will happen, is other people will see this, and get used to it as a normal part of every-day life. Nothing to see here.. just move on, shut the f-up, and be scared of us big tough guys.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GrantFreeman

What they hope will happen, is other people will see this, and get used to it as a normal part of every-day life. Nothing to see here.. just move on, shut the f-up, and be scared of us big tough guys.

G

That very well may be the case in some places, but here in Lake Orion? Uh-uh!

Stuff like that is so rare, that on rare occasion when the police search a vehicle or house, etc. people pull up lawn chairs to watch. I kid you not.

So the FBI wanting us to view this as a normal part of everyday life? Not gonna happen!

Terra

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12 years ago

Last night I saw a lone terrorist place a big white bomb in the middle of a McDonalds and threaten to detonate it if he didn't get 20 Big Macs with extra cheese.

When he turned his back to me to fill up the drinks, I quickly ran to the bomb and swallowed the thing in one gulp, ran outside and saved the day.

When I woke up from dreaming my pillow was gone.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by GrantFreeman

Last night I saw a lone terrorist place a big white bomb in the middle of a McDonalds and threaten to detonate it if he didn't get 20 Big Macs with extra cheese.

When he turned his back to me to fill up the drinks, I quickly ran to the bomb and swallowed the thing in one gulp, ran outside and saved the day.

When I woke up from dreaming my pillow was gone.

Warning!

You're going to be farting feathers all day. :rolleyes:

Terra

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Kay King 12 years ago

Goodnight Gracie.

Gracie said "goodnight Sally"

At least farting feathers won't require stitches:rolleyes:
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

12 years ago

At least it will be a quiet (Pfffftttt)!

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12 years ago

Half the entertainment value of the OT forum is seeing just how OT a thread can get

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HeySal

12 years ago

Sure Terra - but you aren't that far from Detroit and Orion is such a beautiful little place for those terrorists that have enough money not to have to live in the slums. And who would think to look there for you - other than the FBI?

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Here is some more information I found on the incident from The Oakland Press:

The owner of a Lake Orion’s Tubby’s Sub Shop faces federal charges after an FBI investigation and raid at the restaurant Wednesday.

According to a complaint prepared by the U.S. District Court, Eastern District, in Detroit, the FBI had several conversations with a witness who spoke directly with Alaa Manuel Qasawa of West Bloomfield. The sub shop is on Lapeer Road.

From these discussions, the FBI concluded Qasawa was attempting to purchase and manufacture explosives in violation of federal law.

The investigation began Aug. 8 when FBI special agents interviewed a cooperating witness at that person’s workplace, Inert Products LLC in Scranton, Pa. The witness discussed receiving a suspicious call from a man who asked about blasting caps, which Inert Products manufactures.

The witness, never named in the complaint, said he had a telephone conversation Aug. 3 with Alaa Qasawa who ordered a crimping tool from Inert Products.

The witness asked Qasawa why he needed the crimping tool, and the witness said Qasawa “stammered” a bit in answering and then said he was going to use it to cut wires for work.

On Aug. 7, the witness had another call from Qasawa during which he asked about ordering a box of 50 inert blasting caps, described as “deluxe non-electronic detonators” on Inert Products’ website.

The caps have one end sealed and a hole drilled through the body to help the user see that the cap is empty and inert.
The witness asked Qasawa what he was doing with the blasting caps and Qasawa replied he was a private collector.

The witness told the FBI that he thought that was unusual and he was suspicious a private collector would want 50 blasting caps.

At this time the witness told Qasawa that most of his company’s products were intended for sale to government agencies for training or the movie business for film-making. Qasawa asked if the company sold grenade bodies without holes in the bottom, and the witness answered no, only solid plastic replica grenades. Qasawa didn’t want that, said the witness.

Qasawa asked the witness to let him know if he could get hold of the “good stuff.” The witness said he guessed this meant Qasawa wanted items that were unavailable to private individuals.

The witness said on Aug. 17, Qasawa called Inert Products again and asked if the witness was sure he couldn’t get Qasawa a blasting cap.

The witness told Qasawa this was not possible. Qasawa asked for the measurements of a blasting cap so that “as a collector, I could get one made myself.” The witness said he was sorry but he could not give out that information.

The FBI in the complaint stated they believe Qasawa “may be attempting to make an improvised explosive device.”

On Aug. 22, the witness made a monitored call to Qasawa and advised Qasawa the “boss was out for the day and that the witness might be able to get Qasawa some blasting caps.”

Qasawa asked how many could be acquired and the witness said 10 and Qasawa agreed.

The witness asked if Qasawa wanted more, and he answered he would be “as long as he does not get into any trouble.”

The witness said he would not get into trouble because the caps would be without explosives.

Qasawa agreed to pay $10 for each cap or $100. He said he would pay by money order. Qasawa and the witness discussed other equipment during which Qasawa stressed he was interested “as long as it’s legal. I don’t want to go to jail for anything and I don’t want you to get in trouble.”

Qasawa stated again he was a collector.

Agents concluded from the calls that Qasawa already possessed explosives, including an M228 — which is a pyrotechnic delay igniting fuse used in conjunction with an M69 grenade body — and was in need of blasting caps without holes, or he was attempting to build a fully functional M228 fuse assembly.

On Aug. 23, the witness made another FBI-monitored call to Qasawa, letting him know the shipment was ready but that the witness wanted to make sure the items being sent were correct. The witness offered to sell Qasawa an entire grenade assembly, which are illegal to sell to the public.

Qasawa agreed to pay $25 for the assembly. Qasawa also asked for blasting caps to go with the M228 fuse. The witness said they were hard to get. They discussed how the grenade would be handled and shipped. Qasawa asked if the witness could get four or five a month, and the witness said he would try.

The FBI said they concluded Qasawa — who is not licensed to have explosives by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office — is attempting to manufacture explosive devices.

Holy crap!

Now I don't know what to think.

Terra

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Patrician

12 years ago

Think = The "Witness" is a hero.

Think = The FBI did good.

Think = So glad they didn't wait for a year watching him until something happened either to someone else or to Mr. Tubby if something blew up in his face (and ruined his lawn).

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

I know you're right, Pat.

I have a confession to make. I feel like one of those neighbors who judges others by their good behavior.

I was thinking how could the man who waved calling out my name every time I walked in, do this.

How could the man who remembered my order by heart every time, do this?

How could the man who always doubled or tripled the stuff on our subs when he made them, do this?

I guess it just goes to show, you never really know...

Terra

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Patrician

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I know you're right, Pat.

I have a confession to make. I feel like one of those neighbors who judges others by their good behavior.

I was thinking how could the man who waved calling out my name every time I walked in, do this.

How could the man who remembered my order by heart every time, do this?

How could the man who always doubled or tripled the stuff on our subs when he made them, do this?

I guess it just goes to show, you never really know...

Terra

I could've been fooled by that exact stuff, Terra - even remembering as I always do that they call the devil 'the father of lies' - he wouldn't do as well deluding us if he came in and admitted who he is and he often masquerades as something good - ok - or fine -

On the other hand, this guy may just be an old fool - even after reading the story I am not sure what his true intentions were. At the very least he is an idiot.

... but again - better safe than sorry.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I know you're right, Pat.

I have a confession to make. I feel like one of those neighbors who judges others by their good behavior.

I was thinking how could the man who waved calling out my name every time I walked in, do this.

How could the man who remembered my order by heart every time, do this?

How could the man who always doubled or tripled the stuff on our subs when he made them, do this?

I guess it just goes to show, you never really know...

Terra

I know how you feel about that one. When I worked at the Academic Development Center in Flint, at Mott CC, I had a student that was an immigrant from Laos. He worked at some sort of concentration camp there. He killed for the regime. I had him in one on one sessions. He was advanced in English and we talked symbolism and it took us into philosophy. Was a really eerie experience.

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waterotter

12 years ago

Maybe an al-Qaeda sleeper cell agent? Sleeper cells are loosely organized, and blend into communities easier through legitimate businesses and employment.

Scary stuff, Terra. Keep your lawn chair handy!

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12 years ago

It's a story from the FBI so it must be true. lol

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12 years ago

I must admit, I have a problem with the witness and FBI luring this guy into purchasing goods he never asked about.

I also find it odd that he asks if its legal, he doesn't want to get anyone into trouble. I don't think a real criminal would give a rats a$$ about that.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

I must admit, I have a problem with the witness and FBI luring this guy into purchasing goods he never asked about.

I also find it odd that he asks if its legal, he doesn't want to get anyone into trouble. I don't think a real criminal would give a rats a$$ about that.

Yep!

We'll have to watch and see how it plays out.

I'm still having difficulty wrapping my brain around that this humble, friendly guy would be capable of something so heinous.

I keep thinking there has got to be another reason for him asking about those things, a reason that doesn't make him have no regard for human life.

Terra

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12 years ago

Actually lets consider some stuff..

A hard working business owner. Pleasant to customers. Bet he invested lots of his own money to build a business and work 8-12 hour days to build it and make it operational.

Responsible for finding the time to..

Create a business plan
Fund the business
Find venders/people to find them
Time for zoning paperwork & fees
Company meetings
Paperwork for employees, venders, employee training, etc
Taxed out the ass for such operations
Interviewing managers to train employees
Paying employees
Paying continually increasing taxes
Paying for continually increasing supply costs

Then one day, decides to throw all the hard work out the window to spend what little money his business entity made for explosive supplies...

Sound familiar?

Same old story. Same old song and dance.

Fast & Furious, Batman shooting. Whatever. Just be scared of your neighbor because we said so. We are the authority here. No need to question us. The FBI are your real friends. Trust us. Really.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Everyone should be arrested for potential wrongs they may do to me.

It's the only way I feel safe.

No one should be investigated for anything they do.

It's the only way I feel free.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Nooooooo! Arrest everybody but me. You're ALL potential criminals.

Nooooooo! Don't investigate anyone. No one is a potential criminal.

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kenmichaels

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Only guilty people fear investigation.

Besides, I don't want you investigated. I want you arrested and detained indefinitely for being a potential criminal.

Only people who have never been steam rolled by the government
make that assertion.

I have been on the receiving end... i was innocent.

I am scared shit less to go through it again... even if i was again innocent.

Now if i was guilty... i think i might be less fearful... because i knew i deserved
what was happening...

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Hmmm,

Could the FBI have overreacted?

The wife of 49-year-old Alaa Manuel Qasawa sobbed in a federal courtroom Thursday as she learned he would not be going home with her and other relatives. In court documents, an FBI agent agent wrote that "Qasawa may be attempting to make an improvised explosive device and is in the process of acquiring the necessary components".
But Mitch Ribitwer, an attorney for Qasawa, believes the government overreacted and says the father of four is simply a collector of military items.
"Eventually, the truth will come out and hopefully he'll be vindicated", said Ribitwer..
Another attorney for Qasawa, Doraid Markus, tells 7 Action News that his client wasn't looking to make a bomb and he's not a terrorist."
Markus says FBI agents seized his client's guns, grenades and computers. He says all of the guns are legal and registered.
Markus added that some of the grenades are fake and for display purposes only. But, on some holidays, he says his client would detonate grenades containing small amounts of explosive material in his backyard.

FBI accuses sub shop owner of trying to make explosives

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Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Hmmm,

Could the FBI have overreacted?

FBI accuses sub shop owner of trying to make explosives

Terra

I guess here's the question: what did he do that's actually illegal? We're getting into thought crime if the issue is in the potential of his stash.

Now, I don't know anything about this type of stuff, so I don't know if there's a maximum amount of these items a private citizen can own or if they can even buy them. However, it really feels like entrapment if the only way he was able to buy illegal provisions was through the sting operation.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Only people who have never been steam rolled by the government
make that assertion.

I have been on the receiving end... i was innocent.

I am scared shit less to go through it again... even if i was again innocent.

Now if i was guilty... i think i might be less fearful... because i knew i deserved
what was happening...

Ken, I think you missed the sarcasm. Fishing trips really jack you up, buddy.

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kenmichaels 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Ken, I think you missed the sarcasm. Fishing trips really jack you up, buddy.

that was sarcasm ???

wow.. flew right over my head... sorry ... sometimes i see red, and then
have direah of the mouth / thought process
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  that was sarcasm ???
  
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  have direah of the mouth / thought process
  
  Start with post 28 and follow Ken's logic. You'll see it.
  
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12 years ago

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Man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Alan Poe
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob goo goo goo joob
Goo goo goo joob goo goo goo joob
Goo gooooooooooo jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
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Jooba jooba

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