Best Citizenship For An Internet Marketer

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With all the shenanigans western governments have been up to in the last few years I've reached my breaking point.

I'm shopping for another country and another citizenship.

I plan on making my living exclusively online for the foreseeable future. With that in mind, what do you think is the best citizenship to have?

I'm looking for a country that still treats their citizens with dignity. Where they value and allow financial privacy... and no insanely ridiculous and constantly changing tax code to try to keep up with. And last but not least, no taxes for internet sales generated outside the country!

I'm &^@# done keeping receipts and storing records for 7+ years, and paying ridiculous fees to lawyers who add absolutely no value to the world, all just to try to comply with that ever changing and ever increasingly complicated tax code.
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    Based upon your criterion, I'd move to Mars.

    Seriously, you're seeking a utopia that simply doesn't exist (unless you create your own country in which case, based upon your demands, your country would go broke quickly).

    All that you've outlined is a fact of life unfortunately.

    Adapt and overcome.
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    • Pretty much agree.
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  • Spoken like someone who doesn't know what goes on in the world outside of those same western countries he/she despises and probably would not last a week outside of them.

    Living or dying
    eating or not eating
    free or enslaved
    safe or in danger

    Those are far more important to the populations of the world than "no tax codes for internet sales"
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  • I would first re-adjust the attitude you're carrying. Taxes are a part of life, you can't escape them. Well, you can but you wouldn't be living.

    If you do find such a country that doesn't have ridiculous taxes and the government cares about their people, I would like to know of this country as well.

    Corey
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    • They're a part of life because people don't question it, either because they think they can't or because their voice will go unheard. Neither is true.



      That said, Nevis, Belize, Panama, and Switzerland come to mind for favorable options outside the US.
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  • FYI Mike Anthony, I've traveled the world for years, in all kinds of places you've likely never seen and never will. I know plenty about how the rest the world works. I see just how hard the people have to work in these countries just to survive... all very much do to the parasitic and exploitative practices of western governments and their central banking systems.

    Sheesh...thought I would find more enlightened people here. You really think an insanely complicated and intrusive income tax code is the only way for a country to generate revenue?

    I've been to plenty of countries that fit that criteria so far. The only question is which one right now, and the fastest path to citizenship.

    No, this is not only about taxes... it's about an increasingly insane governments that see citizens merely as an asset to be controlled and exploited.

    The writing is on the wall folks... it aint getting any better anytime soon. If you have any value for personal freedom get out while you can.
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      In the spirit of enlightenment though, which countries might you be considering that fit your requirements as quoted below?

      "I'm looking for a country that still treats their citizens with dignity. Where they value and allow financial privacy... and no insanely ridiculous and constantly changing tax code to try to keep up with. And last but not least, no taxes for internet sales generated outside the country!"
    • You come across as someone with the attitude of a child to me.

      "in all kinds of places you've likely never seen and never will."

      See that comment, that right there is what gives me some general insight about how you conduct yourself. Making wild negative and hateful assumptions about a reputable member of the forum probably isn't in your best interest here.

      Get out while you can?

      Well, I'm not going to give you a life story or a background on me, but I've been to different countries for different reasons. If you think this country is bad, then Anthony was right, you truly haven't been around too many parts of the world.
    • No we just think its silly to declare a change of citizenship based on it

      and we think its sillier to be asking people on an internet forum to assist you choosing.

      But since you insist I hear North Korea is up and coming . New young leadership. Loves Navy outfits hates those western countries with bad tax codes. Give it a shot. From the board sentiment we might all even pitch in on the ticket. Problem solved
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  • Well, here's my 2 cents:
    Bahamas.
    Based on what you've said, you'd have almost no tax to pay, maybe even zero. You'd need to register the business there, get citizenship, and buy some sort of residence there, which won't be cheap, but after that you'll be pretty much in the clear.
    That's my plan when money allows. Plus, you can still reside in other countries for a significant part of the year without becoming legally resident in them for tax purposes - I believe that's 3 months a year for the US and 6 for the UK, but, as with everything else I've said, do your own research.
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    • Interesting comments from the OP who posted recently:

      Where are you...really?
  • Kay, you can incorporate anywhere in the world. Yes, Singapore is a great place for that for many reasons. Doesn't mean you have to be a citizen there.

    P.S. Singapore isn't dropping bombs on sovereign countries... where would you rather see your money go?
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    • Yeah, no other country engages into war or engages into questionable things for profit.

      /rollseyes
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    • No, but it does have a "guided democracy" where any opposition to the government (family fiefdom) is routinely suppressed, and what amounts to slave labour is imported from neighbouring countries.
  • Don't let the door knob hit you in the ass on the way out.
  • I think most middle eastern nations would easily fit your criteria with little to no tax (oil riches) and few of the Asian ones like Singapore and probably Japan or Pakistan.
    Pakistan has some security issues but people there pay zero taxes and no one cares what you do online and where your money comes from and the only fee you ever pay for an off shore transaction is $5.
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    anyone live in Belize? I heard it's a tropical paradise and english speaking
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      It is funny how people feel the need to express their opinions without really addressing the question at hand.

      I think having a second passport is very smart. Especially with some of our "freedoms" being taken away far more quickly.

      Your question is too open ended to answer. Quickest way to citizenship would be an investor program like Austria has. That would take around 2 million to do but could be done quickly.

      There isn't many countries that I have come across that allow citizenship to be purchased. Residency would be different.

      Most countries want you to first become a resident and live in country for a set of years. It can take anywhere from 5 to 10 years to become a citizen.

      Either way, you will have to renounce your current citizenship if you don't want to be held accountable by their laws.
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  • Subscribe to Simon Black's newsletter Sovereign Man. Tons of info about different countries, advantages, disadvantages, investing, dual citizenship, etc.
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  • I've heard some good things about Norway...

    Dunno how true they are though!
  • Marry someone from another country - that's the fastest way to citizenship lol No, but seriously..
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    • If I chose to move somewhere it would be the UK. I always see very successful internet marketers come out of there and the soccer o the soccer would be nice.
  • See Ya!
    Remember to close the door behind you...

    PS. When the bullets start flying in whichever 3rd World
    country you settle in, remember "Duck and Roll" or
    was that "Bob and Weave" ?
    Can't remember sorry...
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      Same advice I would give to Americans. Maybe you don't read the news.
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  • I'd consider moving to South East Asian countries such as Thailand or Singapore
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    • I am from Singapore, it's not cheap to live here, but if you are rich, Singapore is a good choice, and you can move around easily in asia from here.
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  • How ya do with cold? I'm real impressed with Iceland right now and that might be a good place to investigate. New Zealand maybe - I've thought of Australia a few times, but I'm thinking they are going into the same toilet politically as we are - not so aggressive though. Some areas of South America might not be too bad.
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  • Exactly Thomas.

    I don't get it - people scream "Love it or leave it" -- then when someone decides leave is exactly what they want to do people scream like the person is a traitor. Americans are just insanely intolerant sometimes. Know why? Because the news media told them that the reason people want to leave is all about money.

    Bottom line is - if you don't have the freedoms, lifestyle, and social experience you want here - move. It's your life and you have a right to live in a country that you love living in. If people are screaming about doors hitting you in the butt on your way out..........just grin because that attitude is a pretty good one to want to leave behind.
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      Very true Sal. It seems they want you to leave as long as you keep paying taxes for services you won't even use.

      Oh well, my next trip will be to South East Asia.
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    • Beautifully said Sal.
      1. If you don't have the freedoms, lifestyle, and social experience you want here - move.
      2. It's your life and you have a right to live in a country that you love living in.
      About sums it up for me.

      Joe Mobley

    • Depends on which we you are referring to - unless you mistakenly think the pronoun has to be all inclusive to be used. My "we " however was for those who had already expressed a parallel sentiment. Your we could be entirely different. Theres no inherent claims to be talking about an entire collective by using the term "we".

      Having lived in multiple places outside the US that is hardly something to pin on Americans (being insanely intolerant). Every nationality has its national pride that gives birth to some of that sentiment from some of its citizens. Seen it first hand. In context of this thread its entirely understandable because of the critical nature of the person looking to leave the western world and (we will most likely disagree) the shallowness of the complaint being based on tax code.
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  • Interesting. Yeah - Modern Arnis is the martial art I took. It's the Philippino art. Love my sticks. Philippines also gets a lot of really devastating storms so watch out!

    You and Kevin -- like out loose together somewhere? OMG. I don't even wanna know. LMAO.
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      I am going to check out Doce Pares in Cebu. Looks like a lot of fun.

      Cebu is protected from a lot of those storms. It seems Manila gets hit hard a lot. There is a dog rescue, in Cebu, I want to check out. I was able to donate some money for a dog that needed an operation but would like to donate some time. Maybe help them get more exposure for donations.

      I am sure there will be a video of me tossing food at Kevin's beard after a few beers. I will run a free webinar on how to make money tossing food at Kevin's beard.

      I may even let some drunks eat sushi off my head for a nominal fee.
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  • Go somewhere where it's cheap to live like Thailand, China or India, you would have a lot to spend from your earning from online business.
  • I think Monaco or Switzerland could be nice places to live. But then again you probably need to be filthy rich to start with if you want to live the good life there.
  • I am not saying that America is not a great country to live but as an Internet Marketeer I would be extremely wary to live because of the threat of litigation. Even while I am in Hong Kong, I have received lots of legal letters and threats from US companies. One even sued us in a US court without any prior notice. What happened is that they accused us of selling a product that has infringed their trademark (this was extremely dubious in the first place). Because we were in Hong Kong, we could ignore it. But if we had been in the US, it could have become a nightmare.
  • new zealand is playing running dogs forging closer military ties with usa, but havent been invited back to play anzus again yet

    hardly a recommendation, just a further surrendering of sovereignty
  • So far, the only documented PROOF I've seen that gives me any best suggestions as to the best place to go is found on the U.N. Website itself. It's a dot org and easy to find.

    Search for Agenda 21 on youtube.

    (if this is your first time hearing about this, you'll need to prepare yourself for a huge wake-up call. It's not for the faint of heart)

    One U.N. book is 2 inches thick. The other one is smaller and both for sale at the U.N website.

    These people seem to have the perfect plan for where THEY want YOU to live already and didn't have the common courtesy to ask us first.. doesn't matter if you live in Berlin or Boston Mass.

    Do you think it would be better to stop looking for a way out, and spend more time teaching yourself and others how to say NO?

    I don't really think it makes a difference where you go until we as human beings learn to say..

    No to tyranny
    No to higher taxes
    No to more regulations
    No to policing the internet
    No to the TSA
    No to bilderburg
    No to a bs two party system
    No to taking away our individual rights as human beings
    And HELL NO to the U.N's plan

    Do you think things are more likely to change for the better if you found somewhere else to live, or if you started getting a little pissed off at the real issue?

    And what is the real issue for you?

    We still have the power. There is strength in numbers. Our number is MUCH larger.

    Grant
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    • A great thread by a terrific WF member. :rolleyes:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...re-entity.html

      Joe Mobley
    • Yeah, Patri's always got a fair few irons in the fire. I don't know what he'll end up doing, but with all that cash in the bank it's bound to be something interesting. He was talking about Belize for ages, now it's Honduras, there was some involvement in Blueseed, it's all over the map.
      As usual neither his blog nor his facebook (I'm a "friend") are massively enlightening as to what's going to happen next.
  • I can assure you Sal that the only way Australia will ever end up as bad as he claimed it is getting is if this person and this person succeed in their campaigns to overthrow the incumbent government and installing their puppet government, all of whom are supported by this person.
  • A few questions that might clarify the salient point here...

    In the land of the free and the home of the brave, how in the world did the National Defense Authorization Act ever pass? Why is there not rioting in the streets over that?

    What does that act lay the ground work for next? They didn't push it through for nothing.

    Why does a private bank, the Federal Reserve control the money supply?

    Where does the wealth go that is lost from inflation (it doesn't just disappear folks)?

    Why does 100% of the money collected from income tax go toward paying interest on the debt? Who really benefits from the wealth you send the IRS? (Hint: it sure as hell isn't your fellow American.)

    Who benefits from such a huge deficient?

    Who benefits from endless, unjustified, and unconstitutional wars?

    What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

    Why are we seeing an ever increasing police state? What are they afraid of (or preparing for)?

    In the home of the brave, why do we allow TSA to molest our wives and children and do nothing about it?

    Has everyone completely forgot about the last precedent to this very situation we find our self in now… Weimar Germany?

    Wake up… this isn't the country it use to be. There are countries with far more freedom (and far brighter future).

    Get yourself a passport. Get out and travel a little bit. Get out of your bubble…wake up... and if you have any foresight, get the $#%%^ out of dodge. It aint getting any better.

    If NDAA wasn't enough to wake you up, what then will?
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  • clarified the some total of nada. Have a passport. Have lived outside the US.

    You could compose a list of questions similar in nature in almost any country flawed human beings live

    You are either young and naive or just naive. the US does not have the monopoly on not being what it used to be.

    BUt um don't don't worry. The Illuminati will get you wherever you are. Better get off the internets
  • I had no idea there was such a problem. I've lived in the U.S. for my entire 60+ years, have been self-employed for 38 of them and in business on the web for 15 and not once had to hire a lawyer. I do my own taxes and spend approximately eight hours per year in keeping records, preparing forms and filing (yes, I realize that some businesses take more time than that). I earn a very comfortable income and have never paid more than 12% of my net income to federal tax in any year, an amount that I feel is very fair considering the government services I receive (education, roads, military defense and the social safety net that I've never personally used but it's nice to know it's there - Disability income, food stamps, etc.)

    It's just so easy to resent taxes without really thinking about what life would be without them. No one to stop the despots of the world from enslaving you. No education if mom and dad couldn't afford to pay for it. No roads or pay outrageous tolls to those who own them. No safe workplaces unless your boss sees fit to provide one. No guarantee that the food you buy is safe or that the medications you take really work. No one to save your life when your medical problem costs more than you can afford to pay.

    Of course, there's always that pesky government waste that everyone complains about. Let someone who spent a few years working for major corporations tell you ... they're rampant with waste too. All big organizations are. I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive to reduce government waste in spending but using it to justify leaving the country to avoid paying taxes is ridiculous. You might just as well refuse to buy an Ipod because Apple hasn't totally eliminated their waste and is therefore charging you too much.

    So don't leave your country in order to avoid taxes. Stay where you are and insist that your representatives take action to spend your tax dollars wisely. Urge them to eliminate the programs you feel aren't justified. Just make sure when you do that you or anyone you love will never need that program.

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