If Alcohol Were Discovered Today, Would it be Legal?

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  • Profile picture of the author lilc800
    “Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction.” ~Bob Marley

    I Honestly Never understood why Alcohol was legal but Marijuana wasn't, There has been any recorded deaths from Just Marijuana but Alcohol kills thousands of people in all different ways. I am not saying Marijuana doesn't have any bad effects on people but alcohol seems to be just as worse.
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  • Profile picture of the author markspark
    I hope so! Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    They made it illegal before. It didn't work for them. If we still had the same country as we had back during prohibition, we'd have been able to get cannabis legalized already, too.
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    MMM, your account is like Reddit on a 24 hour delay. :p
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    • Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      MMM, your account is like Reddit on a 24 hour delay. :p
      Yup - Seems that way sometimes...don't it?

      And when they did repeal prohibition, it was for the taxes it would generate and to eliminate the criminal activity associated with the prohibition that was consistently flaunted ...

      But the boys at the 'liquor lobby' wouldn't like it if anyone else got to play...
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Actually, there HAVE been deaths recorded because of marijuana. If you excluded deaths from alcohol in the same way you must for marijuana, you could say that alcohol ALSO created no deaths. Of course, I am talking about the normal alcohol today.

    There were a LOT of reasons that the ban on alcohol was lifted. Crime was rampant, and speak easies helped finance it, politicians were crooks and often protected speak easies, got kick backs, etc.... Various raids were a burden. ANOTHER thing was that people tried making their own and ended up with methanol. They also used lead pipes, and got lead poisoning. So pick your reason. It seemed it wasn't doing any good though. Methanol is supposedly sweet, and nice, but it causes liver problems, blindness, and potentially death.

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    • Profile picture of the author lilc800
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Actually, there HAVE been deaths recorded because of marijuana. If you excluded deaths from alcohol in the same way you must for marijuana, you could say that alcohol ALSO created no deaths. Of course, I am talking about the normal alcohol today.

      There were a LOT of reasons that the ban on alcohol was lifted. Crime was rampant, and speak easies helped finance it, politicians were crooks and often protected speak easies, got kick backs, etc.... Various raids were a burden. ANOTHER thing was that people tried making their own and ended up with methanol. They also used lead pipes, and got lead poisoning. So pick your reason. It seemed it wasn't doing any good though. Methanol is supposedly sweet, and nice, but it causes liver problems, blindness, and potentially death.

      Steve
      You are sightly incorrect about the Marijuana Statement, marijuana has never been a Primary cause of Deaths but it has been a Secondary meaning it contributed to the death.

      Most deaths that Happen with marijuana Also involve Alcohol or The marijuana Contributed to some accident but it has never be the main cause.

      Yeah you can find reports online that say otherwise but I am speaking from FDA reports.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Actually, there HAVE been deaths recorded because of marijuana. If you excluded deaths from alcohol in the same way you must for marijuana, you could say that alcohol ALSO created no deaths. Of course, I am talking about the normal alcohol today.

      There were a LOT of reasons that the ban on alcohol was lifted. Crime was rampant, and speak easies helped finance it, politicians were crooks and often protected speak easies, got kick backs, etc.... Various raids were a burden. ANOTHER thing was that people tried making their own and ended up with methanol. They also used lead pipes, and got lead poisoning. So pick your reason. It seemed it wasn't doing any good though. Methanol is supposedly sweet, and nice, but it causes liver problems, blindness, and potentially death.

      Steve
      Show one death caused from smoking Cannabis. You can even go back as far as 5,000 years if you want.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Show one death caused from smoking Cannabis. You can even go back as far as 5,000 years if you want.
        HECK, you can look at the darwin awards! as I recall, there are SEVERAL there talking about how marijuana related symptoms lead to something leading to death.

        And as far as a DIRECT cause? There have probably been some, but as isolated as alcohol. MOST alcoholic deaths are due to symptoms leading to something that leads to death. DUI is a good example. The alcohol leads to rash judgements and perhaps a sense of urgency which causes them to drive that, with the lengthened reaction time may lead to a fatal accident.

        For marijuana, some have gotten careless and had problems similar to, and probably including, DUI.

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  • Profile picture of the author Perrymma
    I dont think it would be legal if that was the case. You can put it in the same catagory as meth or any other drug. Its man made out other manmade products. But the argument is this. Soda has been proven just as harmful in the long run if you drink 1 a day. Theres tons of other products harmful too. Should we ban them all?
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    • Originally Posted by Perrymma View Post

      I dont think it would be legal if that was the case. You can put it in the same catagory as meth or any other drug. Its man made out other manmade products. But the argument is this. Soda has been proven just as harmful in the long run if you drink 1 a day. Theres tons of other products harmful too. Should we ban them all?
      Sorry, but do you really want to use soda as a valid argument?
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      • Profile picture of the author Perrymma
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        Sorry, but do you really want to use soda as a valid argument?
        Put a egg in soda for a day. Thats all the argument i need. When you actually do it then come back to me and i will ask you to just guess what it does to your insides.
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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Alcohol doesn't give people psychosis over the longer term.

          Weed does with some people. I think that's why alcohol is still legal. It only makes you an idiot if you already are one.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by fin View Post

            Alcohol doesn't give people psychosis over the longer term.

            Weed does with some people. I think that's why alcohol is still legal. It only makes you an idiot if you already are one.
            Here we go with this old argument.:rolleyes:Not to mention alcohol does and is far more dangerous to the brain and body.
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            • Profile picture of the author fin
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Here we go with this old argument.:rolleyes:Not to mention alcohol does and is far more dangerous to the brain and body.
              I'm just speaking from personal experience.

              I've seen people go into psychiatric care because they went crazy, and also a lot of people became paranoid.

              Me and my friends have been heavy binge drinkers since we were young and haven't had any problems.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by fin View Post

                I'm just speaking from personal experience.

                I've seen people go into psychiatric care because they went crazy, and also a lot of people became paranoid.

                Me and my friends have been heavy binge drinkers since we were young and haven't had any problems.
                Yeah I know it's always personal experiences:rolleyes:
                Right being a binge drinker isn't a problem now is it, I bet you can quit anytime. You just don't want to:rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author fin
                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  Yeah I know it's always personal experiences:rolleyes:
                  Right being a binge drinker isn't a problem now is it, I bet you can quit anytime. You just don't want to:rolleyes:
                  I was talking about when I was in my late teens/early twenties. I hardly drink anymore, haven't had any for months.

                  Smoking weed just turns people into a smelly stoner with less motivation.

                  Interestingly, it's not really so bad in the UK.

                  You won't get charged for having weed on you. If you decide to smoke it in your house, nobody really cares. It's only a problem when you become a dealer.

                  I'm sure you can even grow it in some states in Australia, legally. And there's not much of a problem there.

                  In Spain you won't get charged for having ANY drug on you. Only if it's enough to be classed as intent to supply.

                  Just seems the US is the one with the problem, out of the more western societies.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by fin View Post

                    I was talking about when I was in my late teens/early twenties. I hardly drink anymore, haven't had any for months.

                    Smoking weed just turns people into a smelly stoner with less motivation.


                    Interestingly, it's not really so bad in the UK.

                    You won't get charged for having weed on you. If you decide to smoke it in your house, nobody really cares. It's only a problem when you become a dealer.

                    I'm sure you can even grow it in some states in Australia, legally. And there's not much of a problem there.

                    In Spain you won't get charged for having ANY drug on you. Only if it's enough to be classed as intent to supply.

                    Just seems the US is the one with the problem, out of the more western societies.
                    I know of a bunch of people who would disagree with that statement.
                    You can start with the Beatles, Carl Sagan, Barrack Obama, Dr. Lester Grinspoon, John F. Kennedy, Edgar Allen Poe, Dr Francis Crick (Nobel Prize winner), Arthur Conan Doyle, Bob Denver, John Denver, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and the list goes on and on.
                    I won't name names here but more then a few of the Internet Marketers here also smoke.


                    The problem with it in the US is corruption plain and simple. Our drug policies here also effect almost all the other Western countries. Many of our trade policies with other countries have stipulations in them that prevent them from legalizing Cannabis, including your country.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      I know of a bunch of people who would disagree with that statement.
                      You can start with the Beatles, Carl Sagan, Barrack Obama, Dr. Lester Grinspoon, John F. Kennedy, Edgar Allen Poe, Dr Francis Crick (Nobel Prize winner), Arthur Conan Doyle, Bob Denver, John Denver, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and the list goes on and on.
                      I won't name names here but more then a few of the Internet Marketers here also smoke.
                      And the City of Denver.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                        Technically, anything that impairs your senses, if you take enough of it, can
                        be dangerous.

                        Smoke 20 joints and then get behind the wheel of a car and then tell me that it
                        isn't possible to lose control of it and kill somebody, including yourself.

                        Personally, I think all intoxicating substances should be made legal. Why?

                        Because it will cut down on a lot of the crime that results from it NOT being
                        legal.

                        Then, you have regulations just like you do with everything else. Must be a
                        certain age, must show ID, etc.

                        If people want to put certain substances into their bodies, I don't feel it's for
                        anybody to legislate against it. I find it hypocritical that alcohol is legal and
                        (choose your poison) is not.

                        How many drunk drivers kill people each year?

                        So either you ban it all or you allow it all.

                        I have no horse in this race either. I don't smoke, drink or take drugs. The
                        strongest thing I put in my body is my wife's homemade oatmeal raisin cookies.

                        But I've lost friends because some asshole was driving drunk.

                        So please don't tell me that alcohol is no worse than pot or any other
                        intoxicating substance that is currently not legal to buy.

                        It's all a crap load of hypocrisy and big business.
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                    • Profile picture of the author fin
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      I know of a bunch of people who would disagree with that statement.
                      I doubt it. I can't see the Beetles smoking a joint then getting hard to work. I can see them lying on couches with their feet up playing little tunes as they pass it around.

                      It's a downer. It's like calling a smoker a smelly yellow-fingered fool, or a drinker a uncoordinated drunkard with bad breathe.

                      It just is.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                        Originally Posted by fin View Post

                        I doubt it. I can't see the Beetles smoking a joint then getting hard to work. I can see them lying on couches with their feet up playing little tunes as they pass it around.

                        It's a downer. It's like calling a smoker a smelly yellow-fingered fool, or a drinker a uncoordinated drunkard with bad breathe.

                        It just is.
                        You really don't have a clue, and I doubt you ever will.
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by fin View Post

                I'm just speaking from personal experience.

                I've seen people go into psychiatric care because they went crazy, and also a lot of people became paranoid.

                Me and my friends have been heavy binge drinkers since we were young and haven't had any problems.
                Pot might make the psychotic person's symptoms visible, but it is not the CAUSE of the symptoms. Pot does not CAUSE psychological malfunctions - it may make ya forget things a tad while you are high. It can make some people a tad paranoid if they are high somewhere that they are not completely comfortable, too. Some people simply don't like the experience - but would still use it medicinally if needed.

                You and your pals are young - sooner or later you will find that a few of them HAVE to drink. They will be drunk far more often than not - you will watch their health decline. What's real fun is when one of them is so far hooked they start to see things that aren't there - both when they are drunk and when they are sober.....sobriety being a state that will make them shake like leaves and other pathetic side effects. Alcohol is no joke. And yes, soda is no better other than it doesn't make you temporarily intoxicated, the fake sugars do cross the blood/brain barrier and can cause brain damage - as does alcohol. Cannabis does not cause brain damage.
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                • Profile picture of the author fin
                  I guess it depends on the individual.

                  I've smoked it a few times and it's made me hallucinate. My brother smokes it regularly and he doesn't.
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    Somebody PLEASE duct tape a Purple Erkle blunt in seasoned's mouth!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob28x
    Personally I wish neither of them existed, referring to alcohol and marijuana.
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