Oh She Just Fell.... right..

14 years ago

90+ DC Police Officers Arrested in 3 Years: Washington Examiner | NBC4 Washington

Nineteen D.C. officers have been arrested this year. "By contrast, Philadelphia -- a city whose police force dwarfs Washington's, with 6,600 sworn officers to D.C.'s 3,800 -- saw just six officers arrested this year as of July, according to statistics from the Philadelphia Police Department," the Examiner reports.

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lilc800

14 years ago

Wow... People can lie!

So you tell me if A man beat his wife that bad cops would believe she "Just fell" Please! Just falling is like a scrape on the knee not two Black eyes (Which are very huge btw)

This actually kinda upsets me, Maybe this is why I don't really like nor trust any cop.

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KimW

14 years ago

Ernie,
This is a tough one.
The lady definitely was stupid and thought she knew a lot more than she actually did.
For almost the complete first 2 minutes she is lucky she got away with what she did.

That being said the rest is complete BS,both what happened,what the officer lied about and then what the officers attorney tried to claim.
Fire offiicer-check
Disbar Lawyer-
Fire Chief of police-

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Robert Michael 14 years ago

wow...

I hope someone beats that cops teeth down the back of his throat. You dont hit a woman. Period.

Especially not a woman who's cuffed & is clearly not a threat.

Even worse, this stupid SOB turns off the camera & all of a sudden, she trips & is laying in a pool of her own blood when he turns it back on - YEAH RIGHT.

If that was my wife, I'd have something for that bitch-ass cop when he got off duty. (sry for the language but that seriously pisses me off)
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HeySal

14 years ago

Somehow "protect and serve" has gone off kilter a very, very long way.

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seasoned

14 years ago

It looked like he basically threw her and she hit the locker and wall, although that doesn't explain the eyes. And she could have effectively thrown herself, or been thrown, and gotten the extreme bleeding, but THAT doesn't explain the eyes. The eyes would likely be from something like a fist hitting her there. But they handled NOTHING right. If she bled that badly, or even had such a fall, she should have been taken to a hospital.

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Kay King

14 years ago

Have no idea what really happened - and no one else does except the people in that room.

She apparently had a bloody nose at the beginning as she kept dabbing at it - had she fallen into something face first that could have done it. Or he might have pushed her.

Simple truth is - had she been cooperative to begin with - none of it would have happened. If she wasn't drunk, I'd be very surprised. She sounded and looked like she was on the sauce.

Sometimes when you choose to act like an ass - it gets kicked.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Have no idea what really happened - and no one else does except the people in that room.

She apparently had a bloody nose at the beginning as she kept dabbing at it - had she fallen into something face first that could have done it. Or he might have pushed her.

Simple truth is - had she been cooperative to begin with - none of it would have happened. If she wasn't drunk, I'd be very surprised. She sounded and looked like she was on the sauce.

Sometimes when you choose to act like an ass - it gets kicked.

You just took stoicism to a new level, Kay. Nobody has a right to cuff and beat someone like that even if they are acting like an ass. That is just beyond brutality - it was a sick, warped, and very dangerous person that beat a cuffed woman til she looked like that. Just because that wasn't part of the video, it doesn't mean we don't know. If she'd been at home and had gone to a hospital looking like that, a cop would have been dispatched to the home immediately and arrests would have been made. Some injuries leave no questions to be asked other than "WTF did you think you were doing?"

Blaming a victim of something like this is not just or sensible. That's just like saying a woman deserves to be assaulted if she wears a short skirt.

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  Originally Posted by Ernie Lo
  
  But when they let their 10-14 year old daughter wear one, they certainly deserve a verbal abusing to wake them up.
  
  When they let them wear them without having them in martial arts classes . A 14 year old girl should already be in martial arts long enough to have a useable level of proficiency.
  
  Wouldn't have saved this chick - that was a badge that has already declared martial law on the citizens.
  
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seasoned

14 years ago

Kay,

As kim said earlier, you are both right there. When I said threw, I meant to say it another way. It looked like he was excited or upset, and worked against her with two much leverage or power. So it is like she moved at 1MPH one way, and he pushed back at 3mph the other way. If the object weren't in the way, it wouldn't have been an issue. Still, that WAS a LOT of blood, etc... But yeah, she did pretty much ask for it. If she were a white man, nobody would have blinked.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

We may not know exactly what happened, but we know something very wrong happened, and shouldn't have. We also know the officer was is the one with the responsibility for what went wrong.

Any which way I look at it, I arrive at the conclusion the officer is at fault and the city of Shreveport should pay her a lot of money.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

....sometimes you don't need to have a full on ass beating to have a pool or two of blood on the floor.

True enough ... but did you see the pictures of her face afterwards? That sure looks like she suffered a "full-on ass-beating" to me.

I have friends on the police department. I usually defend our public servants. I see no reason to defend this particular officer.

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

True enough ... but did you see the pictures of her face afterwards? That sure looks like she suffered a "full-on ass-beating" to me.

I have friends on the police department. I usually defend our public servants. I see no reason to defend this particular officer.

yea i did.

I deleted my post also .. on retrospect, i felt the people not knowing
me, would think i was sticking up for the SOB.

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Kay King 14 years ago

Sal - The point is you assume "beating" and then state it as fact. That makes a neat "cops are bad" story but may not be the full story.

Have you ever had an accident where you hit your nose hard or broke it? I've seen three instances where that happened - and that woman was clearly blotting at her nose as if it were bleeding in the early part of the video.

When you hit your nose like that it's VERY likely that within an hour or two you will have two black eyes. They don't appear immediately but they do appear.

That's why I will not jump to conclusions about this - she wasn't acting normally and appeared a bit drunk to me. She had been involved in an accident - if she weren't drunk why not just answer questions and be done with it? Did they test her for DUI? That seems to be what he was trying to do in that room with the line on the floor.

He may have pushed her - she may have fallen as she didn't seem very coordinated in her movements (again - drinking?). If she fell, it may have been his fault for cuffing her and then allowing her to move around.

The cop was fired so apparently others there agree he was inappropriate - but I don't see this woman as a blameless victim. That's my point.
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KimW

14 years ago

As several have said earlier,some of the injuries could have happened from a fall,but to me there are two very telling factors-the turning off of the tape and the eyes.
Those are could not have gotten the way they were from what the lawyer claimed happened.
Those eyes were blackened by intentional blows.
I dare one person to give my any feasible scenario where a fall or a push could cause BOTH eyes to be that blackened.

Dennis said:
"Any which way I look at it, I arrive at the conclusion the officer is at fault and the city of Shreveport should pay her a lot of money."

I don't agree with this.
She should definitely get compensated,but the ex-officer and the (should be ex) Chief of police should be doing the compensation. Possibly the lawyer defending the scum should have to pay too.

If an officer loses everything he owns other officers might think twice about their actions.
If a Chief of police tries to defend his department instead of dealing with issues such as this and has consequences,he might think twice about whether he protects his employees or .the people he should be protecting,the citizens.And if scumbag lawyers try to justify or defend someone that is clearly in the wrong,maybe he should have to contribute too.

By the way,not all lawyers are scumbags,but this one definitely is,lying for his client like that.

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Dan Riffle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

<snip>I dare one person to give my any feasible scenario where a fall or a push could cause BOTH eyes to be that blackened. <snip>

Severe trauma to the nose can cause severe black eyes just like hers. The force of the trauma to the nose causes bruising under the eyes.

Back in my martial arts days, I took a heel straight to my upper lip and front of my nose. Broke my nose, rattled my teeth and gave me two severely blackened eyes. I looked like I'd been in a car accident. I'd say a solid smack into a locker or, most certainly, concrete would cause equivalent damage.

This is why I refuse to jump to conclusions based on what is shown in the video. What I see is a hysterical woman flailing around, causing the officer to counter with force to control her actions. He appears to misjudge (or maybe not) how close the lockers are. That's possibly where the broken nose comes in.

If we're to believe the procedure is to turn the camera off when the person is to be transported to jail (as stated in the video and easily verifiable by the newsource, which didn't discredit the statement), I can certainly see a situation where she started flailing again and the officer felt the need to take her to the ground. Here's another opportunity for a severely broken nose.

The video states the officer turned the camera back on to document her injury. If he actually beat her, I highly doubt he would have turned the camera back on. Why? To provide evidence against himself? This is where it becomes difficult for me to believe he purposely beat the woman.

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SteveJohnson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Severe trauma to the nose can cause severe black eyes just like hers. The force of the trauma to the nose causes bruising under the eyes.
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The video states the officer turned the camera back on to document her injury. If he actually beat her, I highly doubt he would have turned the camera back on. Why? To provide evidence against himself? This is where it becomes difficult for me to believe he purposely beat the woman.

I have to echo a lot of what Dan says. When I was a youngster, I took a basketball direct to my face. While not quite as severe, after a day my mug looked pretty much like this woman's.

There is no question that some police officers are abusive, but the video raises questions on both sides.

The main one for me is why did the officer turn the camera back on? If he turned the camera off just so he could beat her, why document the aftermath?

Turning off the camera before heading to booking seems perfectly plausible to me.

That the woman was physically resisting is obvious, and I don't find it out of the realm of possibility that given the type of shoes she was wearing (pumps with probably a slick sole) and and all the flailing around she was doing, that she fell face-first on the floor. With her hands cuffed, she would have had no way to break the fall. She could easily have done a face-plant that would have caused those injuries.

On the other hand, the PO could have slammed her into the wall or the cabinets on the left - but I think there would probably be blood evidence SOMEWHERE in the room.

If the PO actually beat her, there would have been trauma to his hands also.

I'm on the fence on this one. A more thorough investigation definitely needs to happen.

Saying nothing.. same deal. In some courts, saying nothing is equivalent to waving all your rights.

Pretty blanket and untrue statement, in the context of an arrest. In most states, you are required to identify yourself when arrested but beyond that, you don't have to say anything to anyone except, "I want a lawyer."

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Kay King 14 years ago

We may have been posting at the same time - nothing more to know about this case. It's been over and done for 4 years already.
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seasoned

14 years ago

yeah, she isn't blameless. And I HAVE seen WORSE care in a HOSPITAL! Still, it should have been handled better and faster. As for the nose connection to the eyes? After looking at the video again, yeah, there is a mark on the nose that most hits to the eyes wouldn't cause that would have bled into the tissue around the eyes. So I guess that could be how she got two black eyes. It is a pity they don't show her BEFORE the confrontation. The nose COULD have broken from the crash. whether from hitting the wheel, or being hit by an airbag, I don't imagine that is too uncommon. They CAN bleed a lot, and if she were on the ground for minutes unconscious I could see the blood, but I still think it is a lot.

BTW even the harsh abrupt movements from the cop seem more reasonable given her actions and effort.

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GrantFreeman

14 years ago

How convenient and cowardly to make sure no video evidence exists.

Cops like this give other cops a bad name, and make nice people fearful of their intentions weather you're innocent or not.

Under NDAA in America, anything goes, video recording or not. And it's a farce to get you to believe that you no longer have power.

The fact that this is in the main stream media tells me a few things..

The videos purpose is to train you to never question authority and stand up for yourself if you're innocent, or possibly it's a training message to other cops how to 'do business' under new NDAA 'rules' and avoid time off and loss of income (didn't seem to work in this case).

I don't think anything is ever going to change in America until enough people grow some fricken' nads, get off of their butts and learn about the individual powers and principles you've been conditioned to ignore.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GrantFreeman

How convenient and cowardly to make sure no video evidence exists.

Cops like this give other cops a bad name, and make nice people fearful of their intentions weather you're innocent or not.

Under NDAA in America, anything goes, video recording or not. And it's a farce to get you to believe that you no longer have power.

The fact that this is in the main stream media tells me a few things..

The videos purpose is to train you to never question authority and stand up for yourself if you're innocent, or possibly it's a training message to other cops how to 'do business' under new NDAA 'rules' and avoid time off and loss of income (didn't seem to work in this case).

I don't think anything is ever going to change in America until enough people grow some fricken' nads, get off of their butts and learn about the individual powers and principles you've been conditioned to ignore.

Grant

I guess you haven't been following the situation here. and things like this have been known to happen everywhere. It's even coming to YOUR town. It is spreading like a virus, and it has never spread faster and farther than it is NOW! OH, it once spread faster, but no farther(). It has certainly gone farther but no faster(with only a few hundred thousand or million spread around the world.), but NOW, it is doing BOTH! NEVER BEFORE in history could the people go to one place, plan it out, go back, and get entire nations started on something in less than a WEEK! HECK, potentially less than a few MINUTES!

And I could say more, but I only got back and all, but hopefully you got the point.

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GrantFreeman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I guess you haven't been following the situation here.

Hi Steve,

Impossible for me to keep up on everything. Got another friend who lives nearby. She had to evacuate because of the sinkhole thing not to long ago, and the earthquake thing before that.

Originally Posted by seasoned

It's even coming to YOUR town. It is spreading like a virus, and it has never spread faster and farther than it is NOW! OH, it once spread faster, but no farther(). It has certainly gone farther but no faster(with only a few hundred thousand or million spread around the world.), but NOW, it is doing BOTH! NEVER BEFORE in history could the people go to one place, plan it out, go back, and get entire nations started on something in less than a WEEK! HECK, potentially less than a few MINUTES!

And I could say more, but I only got back and all, but hopefully you got the point.

Steve

Hmmm. Can't tell if you're making fun of me, or you're serious. Sorry. Didn't get the point. I'm naturally a little slow.

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DATA102.com

14 years ago

This is one of the reasons why I recently installed a dash camera in my vehicle. I want to make sure there is a record of what happened if I ever get pulled over. Otherwise it's just your word against the officers and no Judge is going to believe you over them without additional evidence.

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KimW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DATA102.com

This is one of the reasons why I recently installed a dash camera in my vehicle. I want to make sure there is a record of what happened if I ever get pulled over. Otherwise it's just your word against the officers and no Judge is going to believe you over them without additional evidence.

I just want to know how you are going to get your car in the holding area for your dash cam to record?

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

I just want to know how you are going to get your car in the holding area for your dash cam to record?

ALSO, technically, it would be against the law, and just STUPID for the police officer to park in front of you, so the dash camera would likely cover little. ALSO, they will impound the car.

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William Maloney

14 years ago

Wow.... Poor woman, that's just incredibly crude. She feel? Yeah right... Police violence is really annoying me for quite a long time.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

This is the kind of thing that inspires vigilante justice. They can later claim that the man with two black eyes and cracked teeth, lying in a pool of blood "fell". Give him the same justice he gave to that woman.

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GT

14 years ago

The message here is clear:

1) You cannot always trust a police officer.

2) Obey the police officer; do not argue, fight or act in any way belligerent towards the police officer.

3) Keep your mouth shut except to ask for a lawyer to be present.

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GrantFreeman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

The message here is clear:

1) You cannot always trust a police officer.

Good call. Nowadays, the main objective of a cop is to make arrests because arrests = money for the courts. Especially in Georgia. OMG.

Originally Posted by GT

2) Obey the police officer

Really? Even unlawful orders? Not a good idea for everyone. Especially if you don't know your rights.

Learning your rights and saying NO to unlawful orders, is more often than not- obeying the law, when the officer is not.

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3) Keep your mouth shut except to ask for a lawyer to be present.

Saying nothing.. same deal. In some courts, saying nothing is equivalent to waving all your rights.

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- seasoned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by GrantFreeman
  
  Good call. Nowadays, the main objective of a cop is to make arrests because arrests = money for the courts. Especially in Georgia. OMG.
  
  It is SUPPOSED to be keeping the place safe!
  
  Saying nothing.. same deal. In some courts, saying nothing is equivalent to waving all your rights.
  
  The courts practically INSIST that you have a lawyer, so you likely aren't going to court with one being available. THAT is now a reason to get EVERYTHING thrown out! LANDMARK CASE! Gideon v. Wainwright!
  
  Gideon v. Wainwright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
  Ironically, the police, thinking like lawyers, who are usually taught to throw reason out the window, may see speaking without a laywer as waiving your 5th amendment right!
  
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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

The message here is clear:

1) You cannot always trust a police officer.

2) Obey the police officer; do not argue, fight or act in any way belligerent towards the police officer.

3) Keep your mouth shut except to ask for a lawyer to be present.

GT

When I worked at the crisis center, we taught women not to get into a police car until they called base to say they had you in the car and you explicitly heard the person on the other end of the radio. Cops in those years were notorious for raping women they picked up. NEVER just implicity trust someone because they have a badge.

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14 years ago

Thats totally insane

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

I'm with Kay and Dan on this one, there are plausible situations that could lead to the damage shown on the video. There are plausible situations where the cop beat the crap out of her. Either way, assumptions just make us look foolish.

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Kay King

14 years ago

I think we've been had. Apparently to find videos to diss the US system Ernie had to dig deep....back to 2008 in fact.

My Bossier: Shreveport pays Garbarino $400,000

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I think we've been had. Apparently to find videos to diss the US system Ernie had to dig deep....back to 2008 in fact.

My Bossier: Shreveport pays Garbarino $400,000

Anyone who sympathizes and rationalizes an obvious beating such as that has been totally had IMHO, a true lover of authority. Strangely, woman-beater criminal-in-uniform Wiley Willis was reinstated with back-pay. Why?

"The Civil Service Board ruled that Willis' rights, under the Police Officer Bill of Rights, were violated because an expert failed to record a polygraph examination Willis took as part of the Police Department's investigation into Garbarino's injuries, including a broken nose."

Let's Not Forget Angela Garbarino

After the thug collected his money, he resigned:
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=11294085

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SteveJohnson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Anyone who sympathizes and rationalizes an obvious beating such as that has been totally had IMHO, a true lover of authority. ...

I think you have seen enough of my posts and Kay's posts to know that's just not true.

There are always two sides to every story - and as Dan and I both illustrated, this wasn't an 'obvious beating'.
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  Originally Posted by SteveJohnson
  
  I think you have seen enough of my posts and Kay's posts to know that's just not true.
  
  Yes. I acknowledge that. That video, seeing what happened to that woman, upset me and what I said unfair things.
  
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  Turning off the camera before heading to booking seems perfectly plausible to me.
  
  I have to disagree with you here. I worked in security, we never turned the cameras off except for repair. The only time we weren't recording was when we were changing tapes.
  
  I have several friends on the force as patrol officers or jailers. Cameras run. It's a lot more suspicious that he turned it off to me. The guys I know want that camera running because it protects them from dipsticks who hurt themselves and then say the cop did it. That probably happens more often than police brutality, at least in these parts.
  
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  That video, seeing what happened to that woman, upset me
  
  You don't know those people
  None of us has access to the total facts
  This happened four years ago and is long over
  
  It's interesting to debate it and form our own opinions about it - but getting personally upset over something like this - isn't logical to me.
  
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SteveJohnson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I think we've been had. Apparently to find videos to diss the US system Ernie had to dig deep....back to 2008 in fact.

My Bossier: Shreveport pays Garbarino $400,000

Well - not the first time I've been had

But I think you, I, Dan, and others who doubted a little, are a little vindicated by the outcome. Evidently the city felt it was a good investment to give her the money to go away. If her case against the city was so good, I don't think they'd have given up so easily.

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Dan Riffle 14 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

<snip> If her case against the city was so good, I don't think they'd have given up so easily.

Surely not for $400,000. That's barely a payday for the attorney.
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thunderbird

14 years ago

I do kind of wonder if any similar abuses-by-authority happen in Australia. They certainly do in Canada. For the record, cops I know hold similar contempt for other cops who abuse their authority like that.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

This is not about whether she was beat or not, but about the eyes...

If you have ever fallen face first with nothing to break your fall (except your face) you will indeed sustain that type of damage. I have seen it more than once. Both eyes black, nose busted, teeth knocked out, etc. So it is NOT beyond the realm of possibility that she feel face first. With her hands cuffed behind her, only her face would have broken her fall.

Whether or not the cop beat her is not as cut and dried as some would like to believe - it's just easy to blame cops. Some even deserve it...but it's not always accurate.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

I recall when uniformed thugs randomly attacked me in South America. Posters here would rationalize the attack.

"Angela Garbarino said she was beaten after her November arrest on a drunk driving charge."

EbruNews - Justice Department Investigates Police

La. Woman Admits to Attempting to Leave the Booking Room - ABC News

"A handcuffed Louisiana woman who emerged from a police holding room with two black eyes and broken teeth said that after the arresting officer turned off a monitoring camera he slammed her against a wooden door and then against a metal locker."

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I recall when uniformed thugs randomly attacked me in South America. Posters here would rationalize the attack.

"Angela Garbarino said she was beaten after her November arrest on a drunk driving charge."

EbruNews - Justice Department Investigates Police

La. Woman Admits to Attempting to Leave the Booking Room - ABC News

"A handcuffed Louisiana woman who emerged from a police holding room with two black eyes and broken teeth said that after the arresting officer turned off a monitoring camera he slammed her against a wooden door and then against a metal locker."

Oh, I see. You were beaten by cops, therefore all cops are thugs in uniform.

I get it now. Makes perfect sense

The cops here in my town are referred to as the little gestapo. They can be real dicks. I had one illegally search my house about 10 years back because they were after one of my neighbors, who ran through my backyard.

I decided it was best to let them finish then talk to my lawyer. In my view, many cops do feel they have a right to ignore the laws they supposedly uphold, so why make things worse on the spot when tempers are more likely to flare...

In the end, they did not take anything, left the place as they found it, and left without incident. My lawyer got me a letter of apology and the cop who initiated the search got a short, unpaid vacation.

But I still think MOST cops are good people who have a tough job.

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thunderbird 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Oh, I see. You were beaten by cops, therefore all cops are thugs in uniform.<snip>

I never said that.

But I still think MOST cops are good people who have a tough job.

I agree. In fact in an earlier post on this very thread, I said something about how cops with integrity feel about colleagues who go berserk.
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GrantFreeman

14 years ago

Kay,

Oh I'm sure that was his intention. :rolleyes:

Here's an ABC interview. The vid is one click down the page. Starts at 02:00 after the advert:
http: + //abcnews.go.com/GMA/WaterCooler/story?id=4309643&page=1#.UFCu866Ojsk

And this:
http: + //www.shreveporttimes.com/assets/pdf/D912584919.PDF

http: + //www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7905586&nav=0RY5

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KimW

14 years ago

1: Who cares when it happened,and
2: If you think settling for $400,000 means she didn't have a case I think you better wake yourself up into reality.

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Dan Riffle 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

1: Who cares when it happened,and
2: If you think settling for $400,000 means she didn't have a case I think you better wake yourself up into reality.

Kim:

Police brutality jury awards are typically seven figure deals. $400,000 is "go away" money.
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garyv

14 years ago

I think it was probably both of their faults. She was driving drunk and needs to pay for that. However, he's the one being paid public money to be in charge of that situation. If he had a right to hold her, and knew that she was drunk and could potentially hurt herself or him, then he should have placed her in a holding cell.

To me this looks like a case of chauvinism over professionalism. Highly unprofessional to yank someone around like that when you know good and well that she's not in her right mind. If she's intent on hurting herself, put her in a holding cell and KEEP THE CAMERA ROLLING for kripesake! I don't giver her a pass though. I hate drunk driving with a passion. The outcome was bad for her, and the cop was wrong - but I do not sympathize with her at all.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I think it was probably both of their faults. She was driving drunk and needs to pay for that. However, he's the one being paid public money to be in charge of that situation. If he had a right to hold her, and knew that she was drunk and could potentially hurt herself or him, then he should have placed her in a holding cell.

To me this looks like a case of chauvinism over professionalism. Highly unprofessional to yank someone around like that when you know good and well that she's not in her right mind. If she's intent on hurting herself, put her in a holding cell and KEEP THE CAMERA ROLLING for kripesake! I don't giver her a pass though. I hate drunk driving with a passion. The outcome was bad for her, and the cop was wrong - but I do not sympathize with her at all.

This. I think she was drunk and he mishandled the situation.

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KimW

14 years ago

Sorry Gary,
First video posted said she was NOT drunk driving.

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garyv 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Sorry Gary,
First video posted said she was NOT drunk driving.

Actually the video said that "she" said that she was not drunk driving. Other news sources say that she was witnessed hitting other cars in a casino parking lot, and then running into a light-pole in the city, which is why she was taken into custody. Of course she refused a breathalyzer, but her behavior on video is consistent with that of a drunk.

But we'll never know for sure, because this officer chose pride over procedure. What a bone-head.
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  In the local paper, the woman was quoted saying:
  
  Garbarino said she was not so drunk she couldn't recall the incident.
  
  She also admitted trying to leave the booking room again after the camera was shut off and claims she was "pushed into the lockers" - she never said she was beaten, just that she was "abused".
  
  Her charges of drunk driving were dismissed as part of the deal made.
  La. Woman Admits to Attempting to Leave the Booking Room - ABC News
  
  I think if he'd left the camera on - might have been a totally result.
  
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KimW

14 years ago

Gary, I only watched the video,where at 2:15 the news anchor said a lawyer (I'm guessing hers) said she was not drunk driving that night. That was what I was going by.
I have not researched any further than the video and the link someone posted later in the thread about the settlement.
I'm with you as far as drunk drivers though.
And I think both parties involved were out of control.

Kay,
your going semantics on us trying to make the difference between beaten and abused.
The bottom line is that her physical condition was significantly different.
At the same time, I have repeatedly said since my first post,she was not innocent in this situation.

Dan,
I don't know if she sued for police brutality or what the case actually was called.
I'm not sure where you are getting your 7 figure figure from either,but I'd bet there are a lot more cases settled for a lot less than 7 figures that we never here about.
You may be right,it might be considered "go away" money, but it also could be from her perspective "I got charges dropped, I got the man that hurt me fired and I got almost 1/2 a million dollars,and it is over with,I'm happy" kind of money.
But if you think $400,000 is just "go away" money, I like how you think!

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Kay King

14 years ago

I'm halfway teasing about the whole thing, Kim. The case is an old one and what we think about it doesn't matter at this point.

There's one going on right now that I think you'd love - in LA multiple cop cars are chasing a black Volvo. The guys robbed BOA and have been leading the chase for about an hour through LA streets.

A few minutes ago they started throwing the money by the handful out of the car - and now people are running out trying to grab up the money flying around.

Couldn't happen to a better bank.

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KimW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I'm halfway teasing about the whole thing, Kim. The case is an old one and what we think about it doesn't matter at this point.

There's one going on right now that I think you'd love - in LA multiple cop cars are chasing a black Volvo. The guys robbed BOA and have been leading the chase for about an hour through LA streets.

A few minutes ago they started throwing the money by the handful out of the car - and now people are running out trying to grab up the money flying around.

Couldn't happen to a better bank.

kay

Maybe its a sign of mental instability,but your right,just reading that made me laugh!

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Dan Riffle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Dan,
I don't know if she sued for police brutality or what the case actually was called.
I'm not sure where you are getting your 7 figure figure from either,but I'd bet there are a lot more cases settled for a lot less than 7 figures that we never here about.
You may be right,it might be considered "go away" money, but it also could be from her perspective "I got charges dropped, I got the man that hurt me fired and I got almost 1/2 a million dollars,and it is over with,I'm happy" kind of money.
But if you think $400,000 is just "go away" money, I like how you think!

Kim:

I was comparing jury awards, not settlements. The City has to weigh potential jury awards versus a settlement value. I'm certain you're correct about your point. I'll say this: settling for $400,000 is a swat compared to potential future legal costs for appeals and jury awards.

Regarding "go away money," at least a third of that is gone off the top to attorneys. Then there's fees associated with the suit. She'll probably see a little more than half. Not a bad payday, but she's not going to retire off it.

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KimW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Kim:

I was comparing jury awards, not settlements. The City has to weigh potential jury awards versus a settlement value. I'm certain you're correct about your point. I'll say this: settling for $400,000 is a swat compared to potential future legal costs for appeals and jury awards.

Regarding "go away money," at least a third of that is gone off the top to attorneys. Then there's fees associated with the suit. She'll probably see a little more than half. Not a bad payday, but she's not going to retire off it.

I can agree with that.

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Dan Riffle 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

I can agree with that.

I don't care what everybody else says, you can be reasonable.
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