Goodbye Warriors -This Forum Has Descended Into an All-time Low

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For this forum to even approve this WSO speaks volumes about the all-time low this forum has sunk to.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ng-method.html


I'm disgusted - Goodbye, warriors. Those of you whom I care about a lot - well you know where to find me.
  • Profile picture of the author LynnM
    You could just stay down here Karen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    I'm not even going to comment on this. I'll say that much. Lolololololol.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Yeah Karen, I don't know where to find you......
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I'm sorry but that is not a good reason to leave. That's just one individual, not everyone here. Would you stop using your neighborhood street because some clown on the sidewalk said something obnoxious to the crowd?

    (Can women do that method too -- e-gigoloing?)
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      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I'm sorry but that is not a good reason to leave. That's just one individual, not everyone here. Would you stop using your neighborhood street because some clown on the sidewalk said something obnoxious to the crowd?

      (Can women do that method too -- e-gigoloing?)
      They do it ALL THE TIME! Even on TV!!!! Stay up late, and you may see what I mean. OK, they don't pretend to be men, but SAME THING!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'm sorry but that is not a good reason to leave.
      You don't get to set the level of the bar for others - only for yourself.

      I agree with Karen and find mostly I'm down here these days. I know the mods work hard to keep things clean but sometimes I think the dirtbags are winning.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You don't get to set the level of the bar for others - only for yourself.<snip>.
        I agree with you 100%. I'll be sad to see Karen go if she's really leaving.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    MAN!!!!!!! I am against that "ewhoring" on SO many levels. Karen, That is merely a microcosm of the way this WORLD is going.

    I wish you the best though. If you find a real safe haven, let me know.

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  • Profile picture of the author SShip
    Wow!! The sales page tells you right up front that you'll be deceiving people. I can't believe they let that go through.

    I like reading your posts Karen. Sorry to see you go and you'll be missed.
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    • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
      Originally Posted by SShip View Post

      Wow!! The sales page tells you right up front that you'll be deceiving people. I can't believe they let that go through.

      I like reading your posts Karen. Sorry to see you go and you'll be missed.
      So knowing that this person says you will be deceiving people, should we assume he or she was being honest or just deceiving us? Okay, I think you get the point...lol (people buy from people they Know, Like and Trust...don't they?)
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        Originally Posted by mysterrio View Post

        So knowing that this person says you will be deceiving people, should we assume he or she was being honest or just deceiving us? Okay, I think you get the point...lol (people buy from people they Know, Like and Trust...don't they?)

        Smart ones do.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I have to agree that it shouldn't even have been allowed.

    The WSO rules need to be changed back so that it is about what it was started, as a place for Warriors to offer to other Warriors GOOD products at a price that can't be had at any other place.

    Just last week Tiffany Dow wrote a blog post about a WSO she bought for about $10 that was totally illegal, just as the one referenced above is too.
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    Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

    For this forum to even approve this WSO speaks volumes about the all-time low this forum has sunk to.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ng-method.html


    I'm disgusted - Goodbye, warriors. Those of you whom I care about a lot - well you know where to find me.
    Karen,

    You don't need to go.

    The thread had been and gone in a matter of WF mods Decisions.

    It is no more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The seller had 4 posts - which made me wonder how many posts here he has under female names:p

      The WSO rules need to be changed back so that it is about what it was started, as a place for Warriors to offer to other Warriors GOOD products at a price that can't be had at any other place.
      I agree, but I think that genie has long ago left the bottle.

      I know I reported that one - and I'm sure others in this thread did the same. It was gone quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The seller had 4 posts - which made me wonder how many posts here he has under female names:p
        I still can't stop chuckling at that Kay.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Wow. The thing was closed, the seller warned, the appropriate people notified, and Allen informed about the need for a WSO fee refund... all within 7 minutes of the ad being reported. Probably a record for fastest total removal of an offer.

    Thanks to Ken for reporting that, by the way.

    The guy who approves the ads here isn't into the black hat crap at all, and doesn't know all the garbage tricks, so sometimes things get approved that shouldn't. If the forum is so worthless to you that you'd leave over that kind of mistake without even seeing if it's fixed, that's your choice. But trashing the place because someone in the chain of handling isn't as knowledgeable as they might be about the nastier side of the game is uncalled for.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Ken,
      I was really hoping you'd keep his money and publish his reaction, but you can't have everything.
      He'd just have done a chargeback. And he'd have been right to do so. Closing an offer within minutes of it having been approved and then keeping the money would not be kosher.

      And thanks to Kay and the other gentleman who reported it, also.

      This is yet another reason for the member moderation system. We make mistakes. You guys tell us about them and they get fixed.


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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Wow. The thing was closed, the seller warned, the appropriate people notified, and Allen informed about the need for a WSO fee refund... all within 7 minutes of the ad being reported. Probably a record for fastest total removal of an offer.
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      @Karen
      I sympathize with you, it's really sad to see the lengths some people will go to just to make a buck.

      I did not see the WSO so i don't know what it was about but "warning the seller" seems like he/she got off lightly judging by the outrage from members..

      I used to spend some time in the WSO section, every now and then a good plugin, script etc comes along but really most of the claims, methods reports are just BS.
      Now before all the WSO homers cry for blood that's my opinion...
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Theo,
        I did not see the WSO so i don't know what it was about but "warning the seller" seems like he/she got off lightly judging by the outrage from members..
        There's a process. We approved the ad, so it would have been inappropriate and unfair to ban him for it the first time. A warning is called for when that happens.

        The sort of thing he was teaching (e-whoring) is considered acceptable in many forums in this market, so it's not all that surprising that someone new might try to sell it here. Disgusting, but not surprising.

        For those who don't know the term, e-whoring is using a picture of a woman, most commonly an unusually attractive young woman, to get guys to contact you, or to sign up for a dating site or other service.


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        • Profile picture of the author salegurus
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Theo,There's a process. We approved the ad, so it would have been inappropriate and unfair to ban him for it the first time. A warning is called for when that happens.

          Paul
          Thanks for the ewhoring explanation, geez i should really get out a bit more...

          I understand that the forum has certain protocols etc, and it really does not matter what i think, but i believe that if someone uses underhanded methods as you described a warning is not going to help.
          They will just find better ways to "beat the system".
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

            Thanks for the ewhoring explanation, geez i should really get out a bit more...

            I understand that the forum has certain protocols etc, and it really does not matter what i think, but i believe that if someone uses underhanded methods as you described a warning is not going to help.
            They will just find better ways to "beat the system".
            Don't feel bad, Theo!

            I didn't have a clue what e-whoring meant either.

            I also never saw the WSO, but I hardly see any at all, only when I know a friend has released one. Therefore, I have only heard other members complaining about some of them.

            It doesn't surprise me a bit that the mods were on it quickly. Every time I have reported something, it's been dealt with swiftly and justly.

            Karen,

            You know I love ya, girl! You are one of the first ones I met when I joined and have enjoyed our friendship ever since. I do wish you would reconsider leaving.

            I too have been disgusted and repulsed by what some people have posted here, but that's the point. It was someone, not the WF itself or its leaders.

            You always have a home here in the OT, if you'd prefer.

            I'm not happy you're leaving and wish you'd stay, but I'll respect your decision either way.

            And yeah, I know how to reach ya.

            Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            i believe that if someone uses underhanded methods as you described a warning is not going to help.
            You may be right, but we can't operate on that assumption based on a single circumstance in which we played a significant contributory role.

            As an example of your assumption being correct... I closed a WSO today that was promoting cash gifting. That guy had the same WSO closed previously, and was warned, so we know he's not concerned about the rules. Different treatment is called for.

            The reality is, he will probably create another account and try the same thing using different graphics. He'll get caught and banned because he won't know how to hide what the offer is. The guy approving ads now knows what cash gifting is and won't approve it. He'll check the IP, figure out that it's the same dude, and nuke his account immediately.

            So, the cash gifter will either get the message and go somewhere that considers his type of offer acceptable, or he'll figure out proxying and try to post using a blind ad. That will probably not get approved at all, but he'll try.

            It's an ongoing battle, and as Kay said, sometimes it seems like the creeps are winning. They're not, but the constant repetition of the fight can make one wonder.

            2% of the population is born with what amounts to sociopathic tendencies. An immunity to oxytocin, which is the hormone that creates feelings of empathy and bonding with others. (It's not precisely sociopathy, but it's functionally indistinguishable in many people.)

            Then there are people who have psychological issues that make them want to do destructive or deceptive things to others. Etc. Blah blah.

            Basically, any large group will attract people who want to feed off that group. Chasing them out just leaves room for the next ones. It is impossible to keep them out entirely, especially in an environment that provides for easy anonymity.

            So, you either come to grips with the reality that it's not going to ever end, or you give up. Or both.


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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              or you give up
              Not an option - you are a mod on a forum where the most common advice given (or at least second to "write for money") is "never give up".

              You're stuck - keep up the good fight.
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                Kay,
                Not an option
                That's silly. Of course it's an option. It's more like a certainty, actually. For ANY moderator. It's just a question of when.


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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


          For those who don't know the term, e-whoring is using a picture of a woman, most commonly an unusually attractive young woman, to get guys to contact you, or to sign up for a dating site or other service.

          Sounds like pen names to me. There must be a few people here using them
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Hmm. I bought a wso offer a couple years ago that used this method on blogs to promote dating sites. It was a very successful wso, but didn't help me much. It's a bit blackhat but I don't see why all the fuss about this one. I didn't see it before it was deleted though. Was it mainly because of the title and that it was upfront in it's method?
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          For those who don't know the term, e-whoring is using a picture of a woman, most commonly an unusually attractive young woman, to get guys to contact you, or to sign up for a dating site or other service.


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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Paul, just a suggestion. Please toss it out if it's stupid.

            I'm assuming that Allen has a number of people working here. Would it be possible to reassign jobs and have somebody who IS more familiar with the seedy side of the Internet (I'd be a perfect candidate but don't want the job) to handle WSO approvals?

            It might cut down on the number of WSOs that get approved that shouldn't.

            Again, just a suggestion.
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          • Profile picture of the author LarryC
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Hmm. I bought a wso offer a couple years ago that used this method on blogs to promote dating sites. It was a very successful wso, but didn't help me much. It's a bit blackhat but I don't see why all the fuss about this one. I didn't see it before it was deleted though. Was it mainly because of the title and that it was upfront in it's method?
            Yes, this is a very old method. Ethical considerations aside, you'd be justified in asking for a refund for such a WSO simply because it's so unoriginal.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              I was temped to but didn't. It did have a couple other little tidbits of info that probably kept me from doing so.

              The only time I ever asked for a refund for a wso was about 5 years ago when a very well known marketer, whom I won't name, sold a "report" about domain names which basically told people they could make money by parking their domains at Sedo! :/ I'm not kidding. The marketer, who is a real nice guy overall, then went on to tell a story about how he told his wife how easy it was for him to make money with this report.

              To me, well known marketers who use their "guru" status to sell extremely overpriced and weak products are more unethical than using the "ewhoring" method. By the way, I don't use the ewhoring method here. I really am a man. haha

              I think in a lot of these IM products it's really up to the buyer to just learn from their mistakes. Simple as that.

              Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

              Yes, this is a very old method. Ethical considerations aside, you'd be justified in asking for a refund for such a WSO simply because it's so unoriginal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      But trashing the place because someone in the chain of handling isn't as knowledgeable as they might be about the nastier side of the game is uncalled for.


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      Paul, I have enormous respect for you, but you don't get to tell me how I should react to a WSO like that. In my humble opinion, there was no excuse for that WSO being approved. The guy approving was a new guy, is no excuse - to me it means someone failed at their job of training MODS to nip those kinds of WSO's in the bud.

      To everyone else who responded with kind words, encouraging me to stay, thank you very much and I apologize for the drama. It looks like it had the right affect, though, and that's what counts - the WSO was removed.

      There's a lot more crap WSO's to weed through though - many of them from members who have been here less than a "minute" and who obviously have money to burn. The crap that's being approved lately makes me sick.

      However, I signed up to be approved for Bryan Kumar's book club in here, so in my heart, I really didn't want to leave this forum, because of relationships I've forged here, and I still have a lot to learn from some of the senior warriors in here who have earned my respect.

      So, when I'm in need of a break from writing, I'll come down here in OT to see my friends. Because you guys rock!

      Have a great Saturday!
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        Paul, I have enormous respect for you, but you don't get to tell me how I should react to a WSO like that.
        Well, technically, as a Mod here, he certainly CAN have a say in how people react here on the forum. He can't tell you how to feel, but public displays he can pretty much say what he wants

        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        In my humble opinion, there was no excuse for that WSO being approved. The guy approving was a new guy, is no excuse - to me it means someone failed at their job of training MODS to nip those kinds of WSO's in the bud.
        I always love those "there's no excuse..." reactions. Stuff happens every day that shouldn't. There's no such thing as a perfect system. You can understand that in accept it, or live up to your threat and leave... no offense, but that's how I look at it.

        I believe it's been said many times here - until you walk in the Mods shoes, you don't to get to say what's "no excuse"...

        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        To everyone else who responded with kind words, encouraging me to stay, thank you very much and I apologize for the drama. It looks like it had the right affect, though, and that's what counts - the WSO was removed.
        Reporting it yourself would have had the same effect (as demonstrated by those who did report it). Temper tantrums are just silly.

        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        There's a lot more crap WSO's to weed through though - many of them from members who have been here less than a "minute" and who obviously have money to burn. The crap that's being approved lately makes me sick.

        However, I signed up to be approved for Bryan Kumar's book club in here, so in my heart, I really didn't want to leave this forum, because of relationships I've forged here, and I still have a lot to learn from some of the senior warriors in here who have earned my respect.

        So, when I'm in need of a break from writing, I'll come down here in OT to see my friends. Because you guys rock!

        Have a great Saturday!
        Hope you're not offended by my response. I respect your contributions here as much as anyone's. In fact I mostly agree with your assessment of the WSO forum. But I simply report what I think should be reported (as a member moderator should) and leave it at that. If you really want to "leave" the forum, just do it. Or do like I've done - ask Paul to "ban" you for a while. That worked wonders for me...
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    Kay, I agree: "that genie has long ago left the bottle."
    Which is why I said rules need to be changed to bring it back.

    The problem is that the WF is too well known now, and there are groups all over the place selling how to make fast cast in WSO's products.

    And now one can bypass most checks that were in place by joining the War Room.
    So someone that has been here a month and 1/2 ( I think it said he joined in August) and only had 4 posts ,can spend the money and post a WSO.
    And if it hadn't been for fast action bye you guys then it may have stayed up possibly overnight, and a lot of people without any scruples could have bought it, making the poster well over his $77 cost.
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    Paul,
    I agree. Sometimes it may take longer than others, but in the long run you guys do a pretty fine job.
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    Sorry to see you go. But don't let this get to you.

    Looks like they have removed the thread.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Man, I miss a day and I miss all the drama.

    Well, at least I have a new grand daughter to show for it.



    Karen, come back. To paraphrase a famous quote, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men and women do nothing."
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      Dennis,
      Well, at least I have a new grand daughter to show for it.
      Congratulations!

      You and Terra get to start a club now.


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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Dennis,Congratulations!

        You and Terra get to start a club now.


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        I can hardly believe it! Paul is behind the times!

        You're a little late, Thom and I already formed one back in early August.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Glad to see you back so quickly, Karen.

          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Congratulations Dennis and welcome to the club

          Thanks! I've been a member of the club for quite some time. It's a nice club, and rather large ... probably why we haven't met during club meetings before.
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            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Glad to see you back so quickly, Karen.




            Thanks! I've been a member of the club for quite some time. It's a nice club, and rather large ... probably why we haven't met during club meetings before.
            Me too, for over a couple years now in fact.
            My latest grand daughter was born in Aug. That makes it 2 and 2 for me
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Me too, for over a couple years now in fact.
              My latest grand daughter was born in Aug. That makes it 2 and 2 for me
              Me too!

              My newest grandson was born August 2nd but that made my count 3 girls and 2 boys.

              I hope they're done for awhile, haha!

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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                Me too, for over a couple years now in fact.
                My latest grand daughter was born in Aug. That makes it 2 and 2 for me
                Congrats to you!

                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                Me too!

                My newest grandson was born August 2nd but that made my count 3 girls and 2 boys.

                I hope they're done for awhile, haha!

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                That's 5 boys and 3 girls for me, and they ARE done. Supposedly.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


                  That's 5 boys and 3 girls for me, and they ARE done. Supposedly.
                  Haha! That's what my girls say, that they ARE done, but my youngest, my son is only 23 and taking his sweet time in finishing his degree. So I hope it's quite a while before he gives us one.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    Haha! That's what my girls say, that they ARE done, but my youngest, my son is only 23 and taking his sweet time in finishing his degree. So I hope it's quite a while before he gives us one.

                    Terra
                    Come on, Terra ... you need to have a pep talk with that son of yours so you can catch up to me. Didn't you know whoever has the most wins?
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                    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Come on, Terra ... you need to have a pep talk with that son of yours so you can catch up to me. Didn't you know whoever has the most wins?
                      Haha!

                      Well, in this instance, slow and steady wins the race.

                      Terra
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Come on, Terra ... you need to have a pep talk with that son of yours so you can catch up to me. Didn't you know whoever has the most wins?
                      *throws cards on the table

                      5 girls...5 boys.

                      Whatcha' got?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

                        *throws cards on the table

                        5 girls...5 boys.

                        Whatcha' got?
                        Second place so far.
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                        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

                        *throws cards on the table

                        5 girls...5 boys.

                        Whatcha' got?

                        Looks like you get to host the party this month!

                        I have three gorgeous grandchildren........2 boys and a girl!
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          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          I can hardly believe it! Paul is behind the times!

          You're a little late, Thom and I already formed one back in early August.

          Terra
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          It's a conspiracy! Always the bridesmaid and never the bride!
          I have 4,like Thom, 2 girls and two boys!
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            What did I tell you Terra?
            It's a conspiracy! Always the bridesmaid and never the bride!
            I have 4,like Thom, 2 girls and two boys!
            LOL Kim!

            But I'll have you know I was a bride first, then a bridesmaid. :p

            As much as I'd love to have the same stats as you and Thom, that means I'd have to give up one of my granddaughters and well, I wouldn't trade a one of them for anything in the world.

            Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Ms Blundell,

            I did not give you instructions regarding your behavior. I expressed an opinion. Granted, I used the absurdly over-the-top description "uncalled for," but it was still just an opinion. One which is well within the rules and customs of this forum, for any member.

            To the best of my understanding, "There was a mistake. We fixed it" is not generally considered an excuse. And, frankly, we don't owe you any explanations for simple mistakes that don't directly affect you. Especially not after your accusatory public reaction, which was actually more destructive in nature than the offer you used as its... justification.

            As Tim rightly pointed out, that offer, while offensive to many of us, was hardly the worst thing we have to deal with around here. The guy was straight up about what he was selling. No blind ads, no sneaky requirements. Yes, it was black hat, but he didn't play games about it.

            He was civil and sensible in his response to my PM about it being closed, and accepted the fact that he was going to receive a refund for an ad which was against our policy as a satisfactory resolution.

            We deal with scammers and spammers and thieves every day. People trying to get in here to take advantage of our members in ways far more destructive than a clear and open description of a product one can simply choose not to buy.

            Approving that ad was error of knowledge, not ethics.

            Expressing my honest opinion of your reaction to that would be inappropriate. Suffice to say, it would not be complimentary.

            As far as your post having had the desired effect: Not true. The ad in question was removed before I saw your ... comment. Ken, Kay, and one other person reported it, which is the proper way to respond to such things.


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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Man, I miss a day and I miss all the drama.

      Well, at least I have a new grand daughter to show for it
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      Karen, come back. To paraphrase a famous quote, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men and women do nothing."
      Congratulations Dennis and welcome to the club
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  • Profile picture of the author feral
    Hey Karen. I don't know you, but I know how you feel. I've taken to only hanging out in the off topic thread these days! I just avoid the WSO bit. It's bags of fun in here tho!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

    Goodbye, warriors. Those of you whom I care about a lot - well you know where to find me.
    Well, I do ... but I'd still be very sorry to see you go.

    The WSO obviously shouldn't have been approved, but it was removed within 7 minutes of being reported, to be fair. Anyone can make a mistake.

    The problem is that if people like yourself leave over this kind of incident, that just reduces the overall quality of what's left. It's a far better outcome for the forum, collectively, if the people promoting stuff like whatever-that-was leave, and you stay.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Anyone can make a mistake.
      Very true, along with everyone else the only way improve is to make those mistakes and learn what not to do next time.

      It seems funny we spend our days telling people here that it's OK to make mistakes, and to be positive on your journey forward, yet when somebody makes a mistake we nail them to the cross of doom and despair, a bit silly really.

      Tough job here one would guess so a hats off to all staff and members that keep this place rolling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buddd
    Good Morning,

    I'm not able to visit here often, crappy internet connection and homesteading, go figure.

    Karen does make a valid point, but it's unavoidable. Look how this forum has grown over the last few years, it must be overwhelming for the mods at times and yet, they do a pretty good job.

    One can only imagine the amount of brown smelly stuff Paul and the rest must wade through on a daily basis. It really isn't any different than your old high school, your work place or your church, there's an idiot around every corner.

    There are days when I see posts like;

    I've got $XXX, should I spend it on ppc...
    How long before I make money...
    Do nothing and make money...
    Does article marketing still work....

    I would like to take my large muddy boot and insert it in their sitting device. The thing is, I don't have to read them and I won't.

    Despite any flaws, growing pains or slip ups, this is still a great place. There are enough good decent people here willing to help you, give you information and offer guidance. Where else can you get that?

    Kind of makes the wading worthwhile.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    One incident or a single action by a member of a community does not define the community as a whole.

    Though I respect any and all people's decision to stay or leave in this event I personally...

    Do not run from the fight - I run to the fight.

    IMHO, the Warrior Forum is worth fighting for on the front line or behind the line.

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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    That only lasted for 16 hours and 13 minutes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    So you're staying Karen? That's how I read the second post. Just in case, here's something to convince you:


    The best part? His diet consists solely of BlackHat Marketers.

    ...I want a puppy.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    While I am not a grandpa yet, my brother has 2 and he's younger than me

    My oldest sons are not yet married and no plans in the eminent future.

    I am looking forward to it though.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Isn't there a prominet WF psoter weho uses a fake good looking women to make posts under but is really a guy? A.S.? True or not?

    For those who don't know the term, e-whoring is using a picture of a woman, most commonly an unusually attractive young woman, to get guys to contact you, or to sign up for a dating site or other service.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Isn't there a prominet WF psoter weho uses a fake good looking women to make posts under but is really a guy? A.S.? True or not?
      The answer is relevant... how?

      The person you are trying to comment on is not selling anything here. Not in the ad sections, not in their signature... nowhere. So, if you would be so kind, please tell me how that is relevant to the topic at hand.

      If you can't answer that question in a way that matters to the safety of the members... go away. And take your absurd obsession with you.


      Paul

      Edit: A little clarification may be in order. This part of the conversation is based on "Jim's" assumptions, which are probably wrong. I have no reason to believe the person in question is not who they say, and have heard from several members who claim to have met them and say they are exactly the person in the picture.

      Along with that, comparing the alleged situation with "e-whoring" is absurd. One involves selling, the other does not.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    If the reference is about who I think it is, then I have been accused of being that person. But then,I have also been accused of being Paul.I've also been accused of being an imaginary person made of by Allen.And I've also been accused of being a scammer who is not sick and have done what I did just to get free money.

    People who make up this BS are just pathetic little minds.

    I like Karen.
    I like Paul, As a matter of fact there is only one person in the OT I don't like.

    There have been a lot of good people come and go here in the WF.
    Some are gone by their choice, others are gone via the banhammer.

    We all make own own decisions.
    I like Karen,always have,but if she wants to leave the forum completely, who are any of us to say no?

    Anything I have to say is in Paul's other thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      If the reference is about who I think it is, then I have been accused of being that person. But then,I have also been accused of being Paul.I've also been accused of being an imaginary person made of by Allen.And I've also been accused of being a scammer who is not sick and have done what I did just to get free money.

      People who make up this BS are just pathetic little minds.

      I like Karen.
      I like Paul, As a matter of fact there is only one person in the OT I don't like.

      There have been a lot of good people come and go here in the WF.
      Some are gone by their choice, others are gone via the banhammer.

      We all make own own decisions.
      I like Karen,always have,but if she wants to leave the forum completely, who are any of us to say no?

      Anything I have to say is in Paul's other thread.
      Kim, I like the way you say what's on your mind and just put your cards
      right out on the table like that.

      Elsewhere, I'm just glad as hell that you're still here with us. You've made me
      want to make OT my home from the first day we got into our little "trivia war"
      and I thank you for it.

      For the most part, it's relaxed down here. All the marketing stuff elsewhere
      starts to give me a headache after a while. Sometimes it's nice to just come
      here and post some cool video or talk about my lack of PC skills. (I'm still
      looking to put together one on my own)

      Thank you for making this a place that I actually look forward to coming to.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      As a matter of fact there is only one person in the OT I don't like.
      In your own time Kim.

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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

        In your own time Kim.

        Dan
        Naw, I'm not worried, I've been here since the late 90s and in all that time I can only come up with one.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steve, that's very nice of you.
    I was going to ask if you got the parts and have started putting them together yet.
    Feel free to contact me if you run across any problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Steve, that's very nice of you.
      I was going to ask if you got the parts and have started putting them together yet.
      Feel free to contact me if you run across any problems.
      I've been so distracted with other things that I haven't really gotten any further as far as finding parts. Plus, my tech guy seems to be MIA. Haven't seen him in a while.

      But I have plenty to keep me busy in the meantime.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Paul's heavy handedness with me - addressing me as Ms Blundell,
      instead of Karen (like one of my high school teachers)- making me look like I'm the one whose at fault here -
      that just boggles my mind. But I'm not surprised, really.

      I'm not apologizing for posting - I apologize to my fellow Warriors for the way I posted - it was overly dramatic - I admit it. I'm mature enough to admit my mistakes.

      I stand by my initial opinion, and that is that the WSO section has gone downhill and it has for quite some time, and that is surely someone's fault.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        I stand by my initial opinion, and that is that the WSO section has gone downhill and it has for quite some time, and that is surely everyone's fault.
        FTFY: Buyers, sellers, the industry at large, the forum itself (I guess, I understand the "we just sell the ad space" aspect; but still) could all do better.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        Still here Ms Blundell? (lame joke 1 )

        Not like Canadians to be the cause of so much trouble? (lame joke 2 )

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Ok Joe,
    for us senior citizens, what does FTYF mean?
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Ok Joe,
      for us senior citizens, what does FTYF mean?
      I don't know what it means either, so I had to look it up.

      All I came up with was "freak tht you freaker"
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Ms Blundell,

      The formal mode of address is, in this case, a reminder to myself to avoid the unpleasant expressions that would convey my real feelings on the issue.

      I didn't hold you responsible for the error. That's on us. I hold you responsible for your post. You implied by it that we endorsed that sort of marketing tactic. If you don't feel that sort of insult is heavy-handed and deserving of a response in kind, you're using a rather skewed balance.

      Yes, there is more junk in the WSO section these days. There are also more gems. As the place gets bigger, that will continue to be true.

      Understand, please, that we do not screen products. We screen ads for compliance with the rules. And yes, mistakes happen. If you want perfect, you're going to have to look elsewhere. We've never claimed to be that, or even close.

      The answer to the junk is not for us to start arbitrarily deciding what people can buy. It's for the customers to start choosing more judiciously. Fortunately, most of that junk is cheap, so the lessons aren't as painful as they would be at general market pricing.


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      • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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        Might I courteously suggest that deadlock = threadlock.

        Everything that needs to be said has been said already. And some things that needn't have been said have been said already. There are also things that WILL be said that shouldn't be said if the thread remains open.

        There is nothing of value that can be added. Karen and Paul locking horns further does them or the forum no favour.

        Forgive. Forget. Move on. Tomorrow is another day.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Might I courteously suggest that deadlock = threadlock.
          Great line. Consider it swiped.


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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Ok Joe,
      for us senior citizens, what does FTYF mean?
      Fixed that for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Fixed that you for.
        FTFY.

        (I thought he was saying, "For the young folk." Then I realized how silly that would be, coming from Joe.)
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    Gawd I'm gonna sound like the dunce of the year, but why isn't it FTFY then?
    Now I am so frggin confused....( actually,that is what I figured it must have meant,but the lettering didn't make sense.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Gawd I'm gonna sound like the dunce of the year, but why isn't it FTFY then?
      Now I am so frggin confused....( actually,that is what I figured it must have meant,but the lettering didn't make sense.)
      Realizes a grammatical screwup caused the confusion in the first place.

      That's enough internet for one night. Patriots play in 20 minutes and I need some Subway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Gawd I'm gonna sound like the dunce of the year, but why isn't it FTFY then?
      Now I am so frggin confused....( actually,that is what I figured it must have meant,but the lettering didn't make sense.)

      I'm so glad you said that....I was feeling like an idiot for not knowing what it meant....then saw what it meant and really thought I was losing it for a moment.

      Just goes to show the confusion a tiny typo can cause!
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