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wlasikiewicz

12 years ago

Have you tried Jack3D? i got this before they banned it in the UK, its awesome stuff. Im getting alot of gains with it.

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Taniwha

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wlasikiewicz

Have you tried Jack3D? i got this before they banned it in the UK, its awesome stuff. Im getting alot of gains with it.

For the moment, I'm fine with just caffeine as a "pre-workout". I'm more after improved cognitive abilities and mental clarity for work and social interaction.

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Daniel Evans

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Taniwha

For the moment, I'm fine with just caffeine as a "pre-workout". I'm more after improved cognitive abilities and mental clarity for work and social interaction.

Are you using creatine for mental clarity?

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

Are you using creatine for mental clarity?

I DOUBT creatine does ANYTHING for mental clarity. It DOES improve strength and stamina, so it is easier to get stronger. It apparently improves strength by a bit over 10%, and can improve stamina even more, since it aids production of ATP and that probably leads to more recruitment to increase strength.

One thing ALMOST mentioned is phosphatidylserine and phosphatidylcholine. ALSO, MAGNESIUM.

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Daniel Evans

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I DOUBT creatine does ANYTHING for mental clarity. It DOES improve strength and stamina, so it is easier to get stronger. It apparently improves strength by a bit over 10%, and can improve stamina even more, since it aids production of ATP and that probably leads to more recruitment to increase strength.

Steve

Agreed it doesn't.

...but it also doesn't increase strength by 10% since that can never be applicable as standalone statement.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

Agreed it doesn't.

...but it also doesn't increase strength by 10% since that can never be applicable as standalone statement.

It DOES increase strength noticeably. The 10% I agree with and has been reported from studies. Of course, it is NOT permanent. It isn't like you take it one day and are stronger for the rest of your life or anything. And it isn't additive. It is about 10% over your base strength without whether you take 6gm or 100gm. The idea is you can really push yourself 10% harder for a longer period, so you have a better chance at adding more permanent strength.

Steve

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Daniel Evans

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

It DOES increase strength noticeably. The 10% I agree with and has been reported from studies. Of course, it is NOT permanent. It isn't like you take it one day and are stronger for the rest of your life or anything. And it isn't additive. It is about 10% over your base strength without whether you take 6gm or 100gm. The idea is you can really push yourself 10% harder for a longer period, so you have a better chance at adding more permanent strength.

Steve

As mentioned, the role of creatine is to encourage ATP replenishment where those notable advantages come into play during repetitive effort (RE) lifting - not maximal effort (ME) loads. In laymans terms, creatine does not play a significant role in "increasing a persons strength by 10%" in single lifts or near maximal. If it did it would be gold dust to powerlifters, oly lifters and strongmen - which it isn't.

Some people mightn't even scrape a 10% increase in a major lift in a course of Dbol. Those tests conditions are more often than not based upon an average Joe who's wielding a dumbell 15+ times in a single set. It's a matter of increased muscular endurance (not blanket "strength) brought about by effective ATP replenishment.

For the hypothesis to be correct it needs to be elaborated with the test conditions otherwise as a blanket claim it remains void, but no doubt an attention grabbing headline.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Taniwha

- Berocca Focus 50+ (B Vitamins with gensing)
- Creatine
- Fish oil (1000mg)
- Choline (1000mg)
- DMAE (500mg)
- N-Acetyl Tyrosine (700mg)

Suggestions and constructive criticism is encouraged.

Can't see anything there that's going to do any harm.

I'm not altogether clear why you might need the 700mg of N-Acetyl Tyrosine? The body manufactures what it needs, of this ... unless you think perhaps you're a bit short of Phenylalanine and/or Tryptophan and therefore not manufacturing enough of it and/or its equivalents, for some reason (in which case it might be a sensible thing to take)?

I suspect (but can't prove) that you might need such huge quantities of Choline to make any real difference to anything that it's unclear whether it's worth taking. I can easily be wrong, too, of course. :confused:

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pkrme

12 years ago

Am a bodybuilder so supplements tend to be the next thing that comes in mind for best physical results. But after years of experience I have come to the opinion is that nothing beats getting good nourishment thru diet, I mean natural food. Our body better utilizes vitamins, minerals .... when it get them in food rather than in Pills or Spoonfuls.

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Perrymma

12 years ago

Need a test booster with that. Does nothing but help!

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seasoned

12 years ago

It IS gold dust to body builders, etc... Why do you think so many use it, etc? Some have even said it is MORE important than PROTEIN! And some have said that it was at least as good as Steroids! And 80% of the claims I saw were made by people NOT selling any such supplement. But WHATEVER! You are RIGHT about the ATP, and I DID say the strength increase was due to better recruitment. In other words, it is NOT that the full strength of the person increases, but that more of the available muscle fibers are used, so more of the power avalable is used at once.

Steve

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Daniel Evans

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

It IS gold dust to body builders, etc... Why do you think so many use it, etc?

Because everyone wants to attain every edge they can acquire and at £10 a pop for 500g of Monohydrate there's little reason for consider otherwise...

Some have even said it is MORE important than PROTEIN!

Those people must deeply misunderstand human biology.

And some have said that it was at least as good as Steroids!

....and these people (legit) anabolics.

And 80% of the claims I saw were made by people NOT selling any such supplement. But WHATEVER!

Regardless, as mentioned there still needs to be a tidy elaboration past that of "Creatine increases strength by 10%" no matter who makes the claim, or how true the claim might be in it's proper format.

You are RIGHT about the ATP, and I DID say the strength increase was due to better recruitment. In other words, it is NOT that the full strength of the person increases, but that more of the available muscle fibers are used, so more of the power avalable is used at once.

Steve

Creatine doesn't increase the availability of muscle fibres. That factor is dictated by CNS / PNS motor programming and fast and slow twitch fibres. It increases the efficiency of muscle fibres by connecting ATP to the myosin head more prominently binding to fast twitch muscle fibres.

"Power" is by definition a work unit in accordance with time (also know as dynamic effort), so although it still falls under the great umbrella of "strength" it's not strength by itself....

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Brandon Tanner 12 years ago

This is my supplement "stack" for mental clarity and general well being...

The mental clarity is great for the first 10-15 minutes. After that... not so much.
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