Middle School Beatdown

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This kid gets smashed by an older student while others look on. WTH?

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  • Profile picture of the author Baadier Sydow
    Thats ridiculous! Apparently the older kid is in the same class as the younger one?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I wish I could say I was surprised, but I wasn't. The school system is RIFE with this garbage! I saw this in california and even at a school that was pretty much international. So I think it is all over. And almost everyone in the video LIED! It is NOT a lack of supervision or knowledge or notification!!!!!!!!! You want to know the TRUTH? Mcdaniel said it at te very end! "[you feel like] NOBODY LOOKS OUT FOR YOUR INTERESTS"!

    Teachers and the schools JUST DON'T CARE! I have been saying that for DECADES, and nobody cared. It is shown all throughout society. For males, they make it sound like it is a GIVEN as to how they all are. IT ISN'T! Many females have even told me THEY can be WORSE! Do you think a few hundred people are going to make a difference?

    BTW lack of observation and care to a person with a concussion can quickly LEAD TO DEATH!!!!!!! In fact, they say to NOT provide a lack of care or observation to a person with head trauma such as this as IT could lead to death. And one of the things to avoid is something some idiot "nurses" may even suggest, encourage, and demand! Going to sleep is CONTRAINDICATED!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Students can be seen all around watching the incident, however, no one steps in to help McDaniel -- they just watch.
      That's the worrisome part. We'll do more to stop bullying by running campaigns to encourage good kids to be involved than we will by punishing bullies one by one.

      There was bullying in my school years ago. I wasn't bullied but many of us tolerated it only to a point. We wouldn't interfere (sorry to say) at verbal bullying but if it became physical we either stepped in or ran to get an adult immediately.

      It's the acceptance by other kids that seems to have changed. Bullies will always be around but the limits other kids tolerate seem to have expanded.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "Students can be seen all around watching the incident, however, no one steps in to help McDaniel — they just watch."

    Because this is what they are taught:
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  • I think every kid should learn boxing or marital arts for self defense.

    Or just learn the old-fashioned way playing ice hockey with three brothers.

    It's hard to see but it looks like the other kid is being punched while he's on the ground. If his head is against the ground while he's taking those blows it can do a lot more damage than a regular punch. It's sick to watch.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Janus? Those kids wouldn't know Janus if he bit them in the ass coming and going.
    Yeah, you are right.They wouldn't know him.
    I should have taken the time to explain what I was getting at. They are taught to "say no to bullying" yet at the same time they take their cameras and posts fights on youtube and emulate movies like fight club.and are shown violence is ok.

    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Interesting that no one even considers putting the little league thug in jail for assault. Instead, the first call is to an attorney to sue the school.
    My first thing I started to post was that I hope the 15 year old was sitting in a cell somewhere, but it also shows that is what outr country has become, Sue nation.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Interesting that no one even considers putting the little league thug in jail for assault. Instead, the first call is to an attorney to sue the school.
    He's a MINOR, so they consider jail generally VERBOTTEN! OH? You MURDERED SOMEONE, with your brothers? A 16 year old said DO IT, got the gun, and pulled the trigger! A 17 year old drove, and an 18 year old was in the car and did nothing? HERE is the way it at least USED to work!

    16 year old gets a slap on the wrist, or MAYBE a short sentence! At 18 or 21, record CLEANED! 18 year old could be thrown in jail for 2nd degree man slaughter or some such, and be a felon his whole life. The 17 year old? WHO KNOWS? But harsher than the 16yo!

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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
    The only problem with the " Grow some palls, and stand up for yourself, and fight back" theory is that it is ALWAYS the kid who fights back who gets into trouble.

    I threw a few punches in my day, on one occasion, I got a broken nose, other guy had a busted nose and lost some teeth. No police, no court, when our parents met, they said, "well I hope you both learned a lesson" and that was it. If it was all one sided, me or the other guy would have been pulled off by those watching. People are too afraid to get involved anymore and stand up for what's right.

    I will teach my children to do right, and stand up for someone who can't stand up for themselves; that or to knock the shit out of someone if they come at you wrong, and make sure no one sees it.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by HKSEO Jonbones View Post

      The only problem with the " Grow some palls, and stand up for yourself, and fight back" theory is that it is ALWAYS the kid who fights back who gets into trouble.

      I threw a few punches in my day, on one occasion, I got a broken nose, other guy had a busted nose and lost some teeth. No police, no court, when our parents met, they said, "well I hope you both learned a lesson" and that was it. If it was all one sided, me or the other guy would have been pulled off by those watching. People are too afraid to get involved anymore and stand up for what's right.

      I will teach my children to do right, and stand up for someone who can't stand up for themselves; that or to knock the shit out of someone if they come at you wrong, and make sure no one sees it.
      There ya go. I'm appalled that people would think to jail a kid for pounding another kid. We had fights when I was in high school too. Nobody went to jail for it. Kids did get involved and pull it apart when it started getting too rough. What I'm seeing in the fight is normal high school crap that used to be handled by the families and school officials. What else I'm seeing is abnormally glazed onlookers - drugged and fluoridated out of their minds. Not able to do anything but pull out their electronic connection devices.

      Every kid that was watching this incident without intervening should be sat down in a group and asked why they didn't help - it needs to be talked about, not prosecuted. Teachers need to start creating interactive projects that force the kids to work together so they can rebuild some of that empathy - and electronic devices need to be banned on school property.

      No wonder we have a problem - all people think about now is either jail or sue. WTF? That is just so wrong on so many different levels.
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  • Another thing I notice is these knucklehead bully types don't know how to punch properly. On YouTube it's all big, mindless windmill-type haymakers. A kid that knows how to box could do a lot of damage against that.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "There ya go. I'm appalled that people would think to jail a kid for pounding another kid. "

    I gotta disagree with you on this one Sal.
    This wasn't a fight,the older kid blindsided the younger kid and beat the shit out of him.
    Yeah,That deserves a night in juvie in my opinion.

    Like HKSEO Jonbones said,back in our day we would wail it out with each other and both kids parents would say we hope you learned your lesson. But that doesn't happen today.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      it needs to be talked about, not prosecuted
      I think there's been too much talking. A 15 yr old boy on a 13 yr old boy is not a match.

      Years ago, they would have ended up in the Principal's office - parents called (and the parents would show up). Story would be told, excuses given - and punishment meted out then and there.

      Today we want to talk about it. We took away the school's threat of corporal punishment and the kids know the schools can't do anything to them. Counseling is recommended - or (increasingly) the cops are called.

      You can't talk away an attack like this. The only thing that gets through to bullies like this is the shock of learning there ARE consequences to breaking rules of society.

      You have a bunch of kids with cell phones - they don't have to take any action or make a decision or intervene...they just have to phone home or start taking pictures. That's what they are being TAUGHT to do and that's sad.
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    Yeah,what Kay said!
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    Why should the other kids get involved though? It's got nothing to do with them.

    Most parents tell their kids to stay away anyways if there is trouble going on, as you can see from a few of the kids walking away, they don't want to be involved.

    If they did get involved for example, and there was no camera footage, a lot of the time the 'witnesses' have to give their account of what happened, which means they have to 'rat' on who ever it was the started/initiated the fight.

    The the 'innocent' by-stander that got involved to brake the thing up, then has to deal with the aftermath of the 'bully' and his friends perhaps doing the same thing to him because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

    Vicious circle. In my opinion if it has nothing to do with you, or one of your own friends (in this case) then stay away.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Why should the other kids get involved though? It's got nothing to do with them.

      Most parents tell their kids to stay away anyways if there is trouble going on, as you can see from a few of the kids walking away, they don't want to be involved.

      If they did get involved for example, and there was no camera footage, a lot of the time the 'witnesses' have to give their account of what happened, which means they have to 'rat' on who ever it was the started/initiated the fight.

      The the 'innocent' by-stander that got involved to brake the thing up, then has to deal with the aftermath of the 'bully' and his friends perhaps doing the same thing to him because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

      Vicious circle. In my opinion if it has nothing to do with you, or one of your own friends (in this case) then stay away.
      And here is the root of a lot of our problems in society today.

      You do know that there are laws in America today because people stood around and did what you suggest,nothing, while a young woman was brutally murdered.

      By the way, I don't know if you have children,but would you want people to do nothing if someone attacked your son or daughter? I bet in the situation you would change your stance ASAP.
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      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Why should the other kids get involved though? It's got nothing to do with them.

      Most parents tell their kids to stay away anyways if there is trouble going on, as you can see from a few of the kids walking away, they don't want to be involved.

      If they did get involved for example, and there was no camera footage, a lot of the time the 'witnesses' have to give their account of what happened, which means they have to 'rat' on who ever it was the started/initiated the fight.

      The the 'innocent' by-stander that got involved to brake the thing up, then has to deal with the aftermath of the 'bully' and his friends perhaps doing the same thing to him because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

      Vicious circle. In my opinion if it has nothing to do with you, or one of your own friends (in this case) then stay away.
      Have you ever heard the adage that it takes a village to raise a child?

      Well, I can pretty much guarantee that if you were mayor of that village, it wouldn't be listed in the top ten nicest villages to visit!

      By walking away when a child is in need of aid and looking the other way when a child is blatantly doing wrong, just what do you think you are teaching that child to become? :rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I don't think anybody gets involved because as long as it isn't happening to them then they don't have to deal with the fact that it is real and everything isn't fine in their own little safe world.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      I don't think anybody gets involved because as long as it isn't happening to them then they don't have to deal with the fact that it is real and everything isn't fine in their own little safe world.
      Alistair,

      This is what I have named The HomeOwners Association Mentality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Here's a case that might be worse because kids and adults just watched (not too proud that this happened in my neck of the woods):

    Teasing over flatulence leads to deadly fight - KAIT-Jonesboro, AR-News, weather, sports, classifieds
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Why should the other kids get involved though? It's got nothing to do with them.
      That mentality frightens me.

      People scream about their rights and want to be protected from anything that might harm them. If you want to be part of society and enjoy its rights and protections - you have to BE part of it. That means you protect your school, your favorite forum, your friends and family - because in the end it's NOT "all about me".
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    Well, no your right I don't have children. But I also said that if it had nothing to do with you OR your friends (in this case, but this covers things such as family) to not get involved.

    I was raised to look after my own, and the people around me. So if it was happening to someone I knew, then I'd get involved.

    If its a straight 1 on 1 fight situation, against two people I don't know. Then no, I wouldn't get involved. I'd only step in to do something when it either got out of hand OR if somebody else joined in making it an un-fair situation i.e. 2 vs 1.

    At least I'm keeping it real and saying I probably wouldn't do anything. I guarantee right now if something like this happened in front of all of the people saying they'd step in, pretty much most of you would still do nothing, even though you said you would.

    You can say anything online, behind a computer - But when it really does hit the fan everything goes out of the window, and most of your opinions would change.
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      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Well, no your right I don't have children. But I also said that if it had nothing to do with you OR your friends (in this case, but this covers things such as family) to not get involved.

      I was raised to look after my own, and the people around me. So if it was happening to someone I knew, then I'd get involved.

      If its a straight 1 on 1 fight situation, against two people I don't know. Then no, I wouldn't get involved. I'd only step in to do something when it either got out of hand OR if somebody else joined in making it an un-fair situation i.e. 2 vs 1.

      At least I'm keeping it real and saying I probably wouldn't do anything. I guarantee right now if something like this happened in front of all of the people saying they'd step in, pretty much most of you would still do nothing, even though you said you would.

      You can say anything online, behind a computer - But when it really does hit the fan everything goes out of the window, and most of your opinions would change.
      Bull shit. I'm almost 60 years old and around 100 pounds. I STILL will get in the middle when I see someone getting trashed after they are down. I let one go down first. Until then I presume they should defend themselves from attack - but if they go down and the attacker doesn't stop, they get to deal with me, too. I've gotten nailed a few times pretty hard myself for doing so - but also have found that all it takes is one person to step in and others will step up and help stop the fight. It's usually not apparent who actually started the fight even if you know who took the first swing - but once someone is down, it's time to stop.

      I think there's been too much talking. A 15 yr old boy on a 13 yr old boy is not a match.

      Years ago, they would have ended up in the Principal's office - parents called (and the parents would show up). Story would be told, excuses given - and punishment meted out then and there. <snip>
      I agree - there HAS to be punishment, including banning the perp from school if necessary to keep the other kids safe. I just think that adults should be able to do that without government interference - if they can't, they don't need to be having kids or put in positions of responsibility for them.

      Talking is not for the kids in the fight - it's for the kids that watched and did nothing - and even that, as I mentioned needs to be dealt with. My answer is remove the electronics and make kids work together to restore empathy that the electronic connections are destroying.

      There are programs that send kids to jail, but the people they meet in jail are set up to counsel kids about what a life as a convict is like - scare the straight. You don't want to put a 15 year old in jail with REAL criminals unless you want to warp them permanently.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Bull shit. I'm almost 60 years old and around 100 pounds. I STILL will get in the middle when I see someone getting trashed after they are down. I let one go down first. Until then I presume they should defend themselves from attack - but if they go down and the attacker doesn't stop, they get to deal with me, too.

        Sal, methinks you need to change where you spend your free time.
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Sal, methinks you need to change where you spend your free time.
          It's not like it happens all the time. When it does, I'm up to it. Actually - when I was a bartender, it happened a LOT. My regulars loved me though, so as soon as I stood in front of someone and told them to stop, they'd be right there behind me - and most of the time cut in front of me to stop the incident. When there's men in the crowd just standing there, they look like whimps if they don't step up once a small woman does.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Bull shit. I'm almost 60 years old and around 100 pounds. I STILL will get in the middle when I see someone getting trashed after they are down. I let one go down first. Until then I presume they should defend themselves from attack - but if they go down and the attacker doesn't stop, they get to deal with me, too. I've gotten nailed a few times pretty hard myself for doing so - but also have found that all it takes is one person to step in and others will step up and help stop the fight. It's usually not apparent who actually started the fight even if you know who took the first swing - but once someone is down, it's time to stop.
        Which is what I said already. You must have read it, since you quoted me, but still.
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      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Well, no your right I don't have children. But I also said that if it had nothing to do with you OR your friends (in this case, but this covers things such as family) to not get involved.

      I was raised to look after my own, and the people around me. So if it was happening to someone I knew, then I'd get involved.

      If its a straight 1 on 1 fight situation, against two people I don't know. Then no, I wouldn't get involved. I'd only step in to do something when it either got out of hand OR if somebody else joined in making it an un-fair situation i.e. 2 vs 1.

      At least I'm keeping it real and saying I probably wouldn't do anything. I guarantee right now if something like this happened in front of all of the people saying they'd step in, pretty much most of you would still do nothing, even though you said you would.

      You can say anything online, behind a computer - But when it really does hit the fan everything goes out of the window, and most of your opinions would change.
      Of course you can say anything behind a computer,after all,that is where cyber bullying happens. And to a lot of folks cyber space and real life are two different realities,but there are a lot of us that act the same in real life that they are online.

      And I guarantee you are 100% wrong.
      When it really does hit the fan everything may go out of the window for you, but not for everyone.

      ICSM,but I wont.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        And I guarantee you are 100% wrong.
        When it really does hit the fan everything may go out of the window for you, but not for everyone.
        Meh, whatever. I can handle mine, and I got my peoples back. That's all that matters in the end.
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          Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

          Meh, whatever. I can handle mine, and I got my peoples back. That's all that matters in the end.


          I honestly feel sorry for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
            Originally Posted by KimW View Post

            I honestly feel sorry for you.
            Cool, that's great. I feel so much better - thanks for that.
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    I'd send the kid to krav maga class twice a week for 4 months.
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