How Would You Monetize My Canoe Trip?

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OK...here's the deal:

A few years ago I discovered a guy who claimed to have canoed from the California straight through the continental United States....ending up off the coast of North Carolina.

He's a former Korean war veteran who claims that most of the waterways in the continental USA do NOT show up on maps...and that there is actually a continuous water way that would allow one to canoe from the coast of California to the coast of North Carolina.

He made me aware of the actual maps he used himself to do this trip...and I have no doubt they are legit as well.

I am talking one continuous canoe trip through various water passages that don't show up on any atlas.

Here was his route.......1. California to Nevada to Utah to New Mexico to Oklahmoma to Missouri to Kentucky to Virgina to North Carolina.......and he did it in 45 days.....he literally canoed across America...the canoe never left the water...and no....there was no tricks or gimmicks....each state was connected to the next via a legitimate yet unknown waterway.

I am going to attempt to duplicate this in June of 2009. I am going to attempt to canoe across America in 45 days......and shock the world in the process. And no...I'm not giving you the exact route for obvious reasons....but the states above will all be included.

Now before you'se "geography experts" and comedians decide to tell me that this trip isn't possible.....let me tell you that the same people who thought the world was flat.....gave birth to children who wrote the current maps they teach in school.

The fact is.....I have access to maps that you don't...and I have no doubt that the guy who actually did this is credible...as I have spent a lot of time with him and his family over the past year. I've seen the proof.

My question is this....besides the obvious ways of monetizing this...sponsors, pr etc......how would you IM'ers jump on this and profit from it?

And keep in mind that this isn't exactly something that ever been publicized before so I figure the exclusivity of it position me quite well.

Looking for any intelligent answers from Warriors.


xxx Vegas Vince
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    Dude,

    Let me roll with you!

    I'll bring the camera gear.
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    • Profile picture of the author rmholla
      You already have great tips for how to monetize your trip (I would still seek out sponsors in addition to the other ideas).

      After your trip you have all sorts of ways to profit too. TV show appearances and such will make you an authority figure. From there you can offer classes/seminars, safety videos, guided canoe trips, and much more.

      Good luck. I hope you have a safe trip.


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  • Profile picture of the author CSwrite
    Wow - now that's a trip!

    Here's what I have so far:

    1. Guidebooks for each river, tributary, etc... first hand advice, pictures, etc... Considering the press you would get, they should sell very well.

    2. DVD of the best/worst moments of the trip (assuming you could take a camera) Wait...this could be parlayed into a documentary - in fact that would be very cool - you may want to consider having a support team follow you, filming the journey, etc... Their perspective/your perspective, edit them together into a film. Edited to Add - There you go - Bring Jason along!

    3. Running America did something recently, where they had people sign up to do a leg of the entire journey across America - you could do something similar - not really monetizing, but certainly getting nationwide exposure, parlayed into interviews, gigs, etc...

    4. On going blog - this would be perfect with your great stories and your "voice" -

    That's so far - I'll keep thinking.

    HTH,
    Cary
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Vince,

      The obvious one is to have sponsors. Free canoe, free clothes, free food and sell advertising space on your clothes and canoe.

      If you get one of those cameras that news reporters use where they can send reports via satellite you can have a live TV show with product placement.

      "Man, this place is hot, I need a cold drink" (drinks bottle of Coors making sure label is turned to camera).

      Basically, any company that reckons their product is waterproof/shockproof could sponsor you.

      "One man. One canoe. 3,000 miles of river. He needs a special watch/camera"

      Long shot of Vegas Vince paddling through a canyon. His cell phone rings.
      ". . . sure Cindy, you're the only girl in my life . . ."

      Long shot of Vegas Vince paddling through rapids. His cell phone rings.
      ". . . sure Paris, you're the only girl in my life . . . "

      Long shot of Vegas Vince paddling past West Point. His cell phone rings.
      ". . . sure Gwyneth, you're the only girl in my life . . ."


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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
    Document it every step of the way. Produce a coffee table book or film...get on the Opra Show...$$$$$$$

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    • Profile picture of the author CSwrite
      Almost forgot - get an agent now and secure a book deal. I have a huge list of contacts in the literary industry if you need them.

      Cary
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      • Profile picture of the author Jose Delgado
        Vince,

        dude, apart from you and that korean guy,

        i have those maps as well

        so i'll take the trip first and beat You!

        Ok, ok! I lied!

        but seriously man,

        take a camera, (Rachel Rofe as well. )

        make a documentary, (exclude the xxx moments!)

        and go on tv!

        also,

        get a BIG sponsor and alot of small sponsors.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jen McVey
          I agree with the documentary idea.

          Reminds me of Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman and their "Long Way Down" series. Now, granted, I know you're not Obi-Wan, but still...it could be very unique and cool.

          Adding a charity element to it too may help get the word out. Who could turn down a guy canoing across America to raise money for cancer (or whatever)?
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        • Profile picture of the author jensrsa
          Longer trip, different transport but look at The Oasis Of My Soul Ara and Spirit: Life Under the Stars

          Pre-promote with prep journal

          - t-shirts, mugs etc with this shopping sites - CafePress etc.

          And as the others mentioned books, dvd's

          Get the guys who produced "Long Way Round" to get involved but you may have to be a celebrity to get them.

          Sponsorships/site promotions from Sierra Club, Trails.com, Maps.com, canoe organisation

          Jens
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Vince

          Much as I hate the thought of a grown man "tweeting", you should document your journey on twitter via your cell and have half the world follow you.

          Your tweets just have to be a damn sight more interesting than the standard "I'm now scratching my a$$" variety.

          And stop every so often to upload a vid to YouTube which sends people to your dedicated site VincesVoyage.com where they can buy miniature canoe candy and fan T shirts.

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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
            Frank, that's a great idea...Vince, secure a domain name for the adventure.

            Also, you'll get a lot more media coverage (to create a buzz) if you do a fundraiser and donate to a charity.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jose Delgado
              how about:

              VegasAcrossAmerica.com
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              • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                Thanks for some good ideas Warriors.

                The hardest part of this entire deal is convincing anyone that it's possible...as not one geography professor in the entire country believes it is.....as they don't believe one can canoe in one continguous water route from California to the coast of North Carlolina...

                I will actually canoe straight through the continental USA....via the states I mentioned....in one continuous stream of connecting water bodies.

                The toughest part of the actual trip will be paddling across Lake Mead in Nevada.....hooking up with a secret channel that connects it to Utah...and then paddling across The Great Salt lake before taking another unpublicized route through New Mexico...on to the next state....Oklahoma....then on to Missouri etc

                And to be clear....my canoe never will leave the water! This is no joke! And I will do it in 45 days!

                I have definitely determined a camera crew will be a requirement as no one will believe I did it otherwise.....

                Thanks for the comments...keep 'em comin.


                xxx Vegas Vince
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                • Profile picture of the author GailTrahd
                  Canoe never leaving the water - you taking someone else with you? How do you sleep without drifting of course and other daily personal criteria - from a purely medical standpoint of course! Yeah - I get the canoe lands on shore and you sleep, and other unmentionables in mixed company, there. But canoe never leaving water brought to mind all kinds of problems

                  You could also write a personal coaching book afterward - not so much about the actual nitty - gritty of the trip but also about how you get through those times when it's raining, cold. muscles are sore, just to difficult to go on... where do you get the fortitude to finish.
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                  • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                    Originally Posted by GailTrahd View Post

                    Canoe never leaving the water - you taking someone else with you? How do you sleep without drifting of course and other daily personal criteria - from a purely medical standpoint of course! Yeah - I get the canoe lands on shore and you sleep, and other unmentionables in mixed company, there. But canoe never leaving water brought to mind all kinds of problems

                    You could also write a personal coaching book afterward - not so much about the actual nitty - gritty of the trip but also about how you get through those times when it's raining, cold. muscles are sore, just to difficult to go on... where do you get the fortitude to finish.

                    Hey Gail...your response kind of feels like gettin' hit with cold water....and it's killin' my mode here.

                    The fact is....when the goin' gets tough...Vinnie gets goin......and I'm going to canoe across this friggin' country in one continous water way......whether you'se or anyone else believes such a water way even exists.

                    I bleed on the inside...and I get the fortitude to finish by way of the critics, cynics, naysayers, and haters.....I'm doing this for everyone who had a dream....and were told they couldn't "do it."

                    xxx Vegas Vince
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                    • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
                      How Would You Monetize My Canoe Trip?

                      Well, there's always the "Darwin" method
                      Not sure how much of the story you've heard over the pond.

                      If not, here's a wikipedia article for your enjoyment:
                      John Darwin disappearance case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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                      • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
                        Sponsorship, TV, and book deals like everyone else said. Getting the right PR person to promote you with the right contacts I would think is key.

                        I would absolutely use a massive pr campaign with press releases, interviews etc.

                        Have people sponsor "a mile" and donate the money to a charity within each state you go through. If there are xxxx miles in New Mexico, then the money raised wvia those miles goes to a New Mexico charity.

                        Document and film the entire process. Heck, if you promte it right you would probably get a reality show on it.

                        I imagine you canoing your butt off and horde of screaming women standing on the shores in each state slinging their clothes at you...

                        I think the pre-promotion would be as much fun as making money afterwards via endorsements.

                        I also think the fact that it "can't" be done adds to it. The more people that say it can't be done adds to the buzz!!

                        Good luck and keep us posted. I will certainly sponsor you. I will have a beer tent set up at my mile marker

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                        • Profile picture of the author Bob Monie
                          Contact Discovery - Travel and Adventure channel, put forward your idea with proof and they will pay for the whole trip. Obviously you would have to put up with a camera crew followin ya but you will get ya 15 mins of fame so why not.

                          If you have the cash flow, document the trip yourself, produce top quality doco and sell it to the highest bidding foreign free to air channels and make the big bucks.
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                    • Profile picture of the author GailTrahd
                      Hey Vinnie - I was just joking! Goes to show you that not all humor comes across as well in the written word as it does spoken. I was thinking along the lines of toileting issues - but then maybe us women consider that more than you guys.

                      And I meant it about writing a book about your tough times and how you got through them.

                      Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                      Hey Gail...your response kind of feels like gettin' hit with cold water....and it's killin' my mode here.

                      The fact is....when the goin' gets tough...Vinnie gets goin......and I'm going to canoe across this friggin' country in one continous water way......whether you'se or anyone else believes such a water way even exists.

                      I bleed on the inside...and I get the fortitude to finish by way of the critics, cynics, naysayers, and haters.....I'm doing this for everyone who had a dream....and were told they couldn't "do it."

                      xxx Vegas Vince
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                      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                        Well if you wanted to do an internet marketing tie in:

                        1. Establish the idea of the secret waterways running free all the way to ocean.

                        2. Talk about how with online marketing there are secret cash streams that can turn your bank account into an ocean of money.

                        3. Every day call in with a cell phone and give a 5-60 minute audio of what happened to you and tie your experience into another online marketing secret or experience.

                        Since you have all day to think about it while you're canoing you should come up with some really good ideas and tie ins.

                        You can also let people ask questions which will make it more interesting.


                        4. Pre-sell paid subscriptions to the teleseminars of the 45 day event.

                        5. When you're finished put all the recordings together into one large product
                        45 audio recordings should be at least 10 hours+ of good audio.

                        Kindest regards,
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                        • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                          Or hire expensive strippers and pimp them out all along the route.
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                          • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                            Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

                            Or hire expensive strippers and pimp them out all along the route.

                            Gary Halbert would be proud of you Andrew....and to be honest.....I never thought I'd see the day you'se would use "strippers" and "pimp" in one of your posts. But I guess there's a first for everything, capiche.


                            I'll think of you'se when I'm canoeing across America...from the coast of Cally through the desert of New Mexico......OK......Missouri.....Kentucky....VA... ..and finally appearing on the coast of North Carolina.

                            One incredible journey......9 different states.... all connected via both disocvered...and undiscovered body of waters all perfectly linked together....

                            45 days...thousands of miles....the impossible dream that they say can't be done...will be done.


                            xxx Vegas Vince
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                            • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
                              Oh god, I'm going to get slammed here, but I have to be honest...

                              I question the overall excitement in this. I mean just how much fun will this be to record or write about? If a camera crew travels behind you, what are they going to film? You can only create so much drama from a canoe, some water, one guy and tons of paddling. Maybe you'll get the occassional "look, there's an alligator" thing. But seriously?

                              Take a look at Discovery channel. Everything on there is edgy as hell.

                              Here's my opinion:
                              I love the idea...I'm just not sure how super-successful you're going to be. I definitely believe you'll get some sponsors...at least to cover the expenses.

                              So what do I recommend? I have no friggin' idea. Use a jet ski instead? Strap dynamite to the Jetski and have it blow up on day 45? Bring along 5 people that are trying to out-paddle you for the chance to win $250k dollars (along with alligator-related elimination rounds)?

                              Once again...I love the idea as a personal adventure. I truly wish you the best of luck on the trip...and on getting this sucker monetized. I just think it needs more edge.

                              Or maybe I'm watching too much VH-1.
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                              • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                                When I mentioned the strippers I thought it was the style of thing you'd be more likely to go for.

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                              • Profile picture of the author Ouroboros
                                Vince,

                                Not meaning to burst your bubble, but I don't think it can be done...simple math.

                                Shortest distance across US, roughly 2092 miles...as the crow flies...average is 3075 and longest is roughly 3400 miles.

                                45 days paddling 12 hours a day equals 540 hours. 2050 miles straight line distance divided by 540 hours equals 3.8 mph. Ever paddled a canoe at 3.8 miles an hour for 12 hours a day for 45 days?

                                I wish you luck my friend...especially around the continental divide and the Appalachian mountains, they're uphill.

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                                • Profile picture of the author matthewd
                                  Dude, let me cross Missouri with you.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                                    Sell the experience.

                                    I bet you could easily get 100 people to pay you $10,000 each to accompany you on the trip.

                                    A money back guarantee and a plaque/trophy certifying their membership in the "charter voyage" group so to speak and you'll get all sorts of uber canoers excited.

                                    Then market other outstanding canoe trips to those 100 people as well as the thousands of others on your opt in list ()who either opted not to buy into the first trip or got there after it was sold out.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author OnlineMasterMind
                                      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

                                      Sell the experience.

                                      I bet you could easily get 100 people to pay you $10,000 each to accompany you on the trip.

                                      A money back guarantee and a plaque/trophy certifying their membership in the "charter voyage" group so to speak and you'll get all sorts of uber canoers excited.

                                      Then market other outstanding canoe trips to those 100 people as well as the thousands of others on your opt in list ()who either opted not to buy into the first trip or got there after it was sold out.
                                      The million dollar "canoe launch"
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Jose Delgado
                                      Originally Posted by Lance K
                                      Sell the experience.

                                      I bet you could easily get 100 people to pay you $10,000 each to accompany you on the trip.

                                      A money back guarantee and a plaque/trophy certifying their membership in the "charter voyage" group so to speak and you'll get all sorts of uber canoers excited.

                                      Then market other outstanding canoe trips to those 100 people as well as the thousands of others on your opt in list ()who either opted not to buy into the first trip or got there after it was sold out.
                                      yeah i like that idea.
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                                • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                                  Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post

                                  Vince,

                                  Not meaning to burst your bubble, but I don't think it can be done...simple math.

                                  Shortest distance across US, roughly 2092 miles...as the crow flies...average is 3075 and longest is roughly 3400 miles.

                                  45 days paddling 12 hours a day equals 540 hours. 2050 miles straight line distance divided by 540 hours equals 3.8 mph. Ever paddled a canoe at 3.8 miles an hour for 12 hours a day for 45 days?

                                  I wish you luck my friend...especially around the continental divide and the Appalachian mountains, they're uphill.

                                  Steve

                                  Thanks Steve for your scientific approach......

                                  But what you'se failed to factor in is this......a good portion of my journey will not require much muscle... as the currents will push me along at a pace far greater then 3.8 miles per hour....in many stretches of this incredible cross country journey from California to North Carolina.

                                  The secret water ways around the Appalachian leg of the journey......actually will propel me around apx. 7 miles per hour...as while the physical landscape is indeed "up hill" the water way is not. I bet they didn't teach you'se that in Geography class, right?

                                  So I will be using my canoe paddles more to navigate which isn't tough....and yes....45 days is pretty much accurate based on all the information I have from the guy who did it.

                                  Also...as for the danger element......let's talk the Nevada leg.

                                  I will have to navigate my canoe for nearly one third of a mile below the HOOVER DAMN! How many of you'se people have the guts to canoe below the Hoover Dam? In a canoe!

                                  And that aint no float trip! That isn't any day in the park! But unfortunately...it's necessary in order to connect the dots...from state to state.

                                  From there.....I have to make damn sure I hit the correct Hoover Damn tunnel that then takes me on to Lake Mead....on to the Great Salt Lake in Utah and so forth and so on......all in one continuous line of water....water that most of you'se don't believe exists!

                                  It has been done...it will be done again.


                                  xxx Vegas Vince
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
                                    I got 2 words for you, Vince.

                                    Continental Divide
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                                    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                                      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

                                      I got 2 words for you, Vince.

                                      Continental Divide

                                      It's divided by WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      HELLO!!!!!!

                                      I'm in a friggin canoe which is water friendly!!

                                      xxx Vegas Vince
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
                                        Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                        It's divided by WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                        HELLO!!!!!!

                                        I'm in a friggin canoe which is water friendly!!
                                        LOL!

                                        You DO realize the brown and green parts of the map are land and the blue is water, right? You also realize that this is what Louis and Clark were looking for 200 years ago, right?

                                        I just hope you didn't pay to much for the maps or that your canoe has wheels.

                                        You say you're crossing in New Mexico?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                                          Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

                                          LOL!

                                          You DO realize the brown and green parts of the map are land and the blue is water, right? You also realize that this is what Louis and Clark were looking for 200 years ago, right?

                                          I just hope you didn't pay to much for the maps or that your canoe has wheels.

                                          You say you're crossing in New Mexico?



                                          Bruce.....while I appreciate your geography lesson.....your maps are scab maps. The people who made them once said the world was flat. Capiche!

                                          Your so-called "Continental Divide" does NOT factor in to my trip whatsoever....and it sure as hell doesn't exist on the map that routes out my trip. I realize this is tough for you'se to grasp......but I see the glass has half full....while you'se don't see it at all.

                                          Guys like you'se lost your sense of adventure and possibility years ago....and that's sad.

                                          The elevation you describe does not include a water way that "might" just run through it at ground level. Hint Hint!

                                          I am departing from the coast of California...entering Nevada......on to Utah....then New Mexico....then Oklahoma....then Missouri....then Kentucky...then Virginia....then...I will emerge on the coast of North Carolina. 45 days.

                                          There it is for you'se once again.

                                          I am saddened that somehow we forgot that this thread was about monetizing this trip...and ideas related to that.

                                          I have no clue who the hell Clark and his old lady Lois is......except that they sound like bad lawyers who probably died a million years ago. I'm sure the world didn't "weep." So what's the point bringing up ancient history?

                                          For the believers out there.....any other ideas regarding monetizing my canoe trip?





                                          xxx Vegas Vince
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                                          • Profile picture of the author jhongren
                                            I have definitely determined a camera

                                            crew will be a requirement as no one will

                                            believe I did it otherwise.....

                                            Thanks for the comments...keep 'em comin.

                                            xxx Vegas Vince
                                            Hi Vince,

                                            I am wondering since you need a camera crew, would you be able to get a media station to sponsor you?

                                            I think Survivors series make a big hype out of people fighting to survive in a faraway place.

                                            Then, they sell sequels and bring in advertisers who are in the canoe industry.

                                            Maybe, you own part of the rights of this series and get royalties.

                                            Maybe one day you will hit the big screen and I see your movies in Singapore!

                                            Just my 2 cents and random thoughts,
                                            John
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                                            • Profile picture of the author dbh
                                              If it hasn't been mentioned already, be sure to see if the canoe maker itself will sponsor you.

                                              And I agree with Gail. If you get good publicity, emphasize the personal side of it some. Even though this is is indeed an impressive and monumental trip, we live in an age where people simply aren't as easily impressed as before. Seems people these days would be more impressed by the agony of it than the accomplishment itself.

                                              Sponsors & publicity - thats probably the best way. I'll keep an eye out for it next summer .

                                              - Darrell
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
                                            Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                            Bruce.....while I appreciate your geography lesson.....your maps are scab maps. The people who made them once said the world was flat. Capiche!
                                            I thought those people were dead?

                                            Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                            Your so-called "Continental Divide" does NOT factor in to my trip whatsoever....and it sure as hell doesn't exist on the map that routes out my trip. I realize this is tough for you'se to grasp......but I see the glass has half full....while you'se don't see it at all.
                                            Hang on to your glass, Vince. You're going to need the water to complete your journey.

                                            Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                            Guys like you'se lost your sense of adventure and possibility years ago....and that's sad.
                                            Guys like me understand basic geography. You don't and THAT is sad.

                                            Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                            The elevation you describe does not include a water way that "might" just run through it at ground level. Hint Hint!
                                            Oh, you found a magic tunnel under the Rocky Mountains? There is no river that crosses the Rockies, which just happen to divide the country. Hence, you can't cross the country by water.

                                            Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                            I am departing from the coast of California...entering Nevada......on to Utah....then New Mexico....then Oklahoma....then Missouri....then Kentucky...then Virginia....then...I will emerge on the coast of North Carolina. 45 days.
                                            Vince, you mentioned Lake Mead. Are you taking your canoe through the turbines at Hoover? The river bypasses created when they built the dam do not flow water. I know. I've looked at 'em.

                                            And just an FYI, the Colorado River below Lake Mead flows to the Gulf of California.

                                            Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                            I am saddened that somehow we forgot that this thread was about monetizing this trip...and ideas related to that.
                                            Sure, bet me $5,000 that you'll make it without the canoe EVER leaving navigable water.

                                            PS: I'm not "spittin in your face". I happen to like you very much and the reason I do is because of your blunt, pull no punches style. I'm the same way and I thought you might appreciate it. I'm attempting to save you a lot of embarrassment and wasted effort.

                                            PPS: Is a guy a "negative non-believer" if someone comes in the forum and says he's going to buy and Acme rocket and fly to the moon and he calls the moron out?
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                                    Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                                    Thanks Steve for your scientific approach......

                                    I will have to navigate my canoe for nearly one third of a mile below the HOOVER DAMN! How many of you'se people have the guts to canoe below the Hoover Dam? In a canoe!
                                    xxx Vegas Vince
                                    I thought it was traditional to use a barrel for these kinds of water adventures.

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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
                  Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post


                  The hardest part of this entire deal is convincing anyone that it's possible...
                  Tsk...

                  I don't care whether it's possible...cuz where I come from, travelling from one side of the country to the other takes a couple of hours IF you're -- like -- a slowcoach loser.

                  Yawn.

                  What I wanna know is...VV...when we're in Vegas next summer...can we hunt you down 'n buy you a beer?

                  Oh...and I'd be happy to sponsor you, mate.

                  Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
      Bring a camera with you and keep a video diary...or bring some wild person who gets on your nerves and pitch a show to NBC
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter_J
    TBH, I wouldn't put it on the net.

    I'm friends with a couple of people who work at the BBC and when I announced a few months back that I was going on a 3 month road trip to Morocco they both advised me to write a travelogue as they 'always sell' especially if they have an unusual element to them, as your trip would have.

    the reason i wouldn't do much on the net with it is that potential publishers tend to lose onterest if more than 5% of a story has been previewed on the net.

    i would however, try to get as much national interest as possible as this would prime the market and make any book you wrote far more likely to get a publishing deal.

    my travelogue is being written now and it is pretty unique so hopefully it will get published.
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  • Profile picture of the author jennstall
    Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

    My question is this....besides the obvious ways of monetizing this...sponsors, pr etc......how would you IM'ers jump on this and profit from it?

    And keep in mind that this isn't exactly something that ever been publicized before so I figure the exclusivity of it position me quite well.

    Looking for any intelligent answers from Warriors.


    xxx Vegas Vince
    I'd look at doing a guidebook, available as a digital download, like the sort of thing done for the PCT or the Appalachian Trail.

    You might also want to consider traditional publishing. Travel memoirs are pretty popular. I'm an addict and would totally read a book like this even though it is not a trip I would ever take myself.

    And while promoting ebooks might actually be more lucrative, securing a book deal has a certain credibility that could really increase your profile and thus your sales for related products online.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Liberty
    Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

    The fact is.....I have access to maps that you don't.
    Ummm... do waterfalls show up on your maps?
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Mistake number one:

    Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

    Looking for any intelligent answers from Warriors.

    xxx Vegas Vince
    Anyway, you should contact the Survivorman producers. That show is in line with what you want to be doing. You could be out in the wilderness spearing fish with your harpoon and eating their squishy guts raw on camera. Yea baby! That and the hookers/strippers.

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      Mistake number one:



      Anyway, you should contact the Survivorman producers. That show is in line with what you want to be doing. You could be out in the wilderness spearing fish with your harpoon and eating their squishy guts raw on camera. Yea baby! That and the hookers/strippers.

      TomG.

      Gadget Man.....you'se don't like me too much do you'se? But I appreciate the fact you'se don't even try and hide it..cuz I can respect that.

      I mean ever since the coffe pot recommendation I made to try and help you burn down your deadbeat friends house...you'se seem to have had it out for Vince here?

      But keep in mind, Vinnie aint the one you'se loaned the 10K to....cuz I'd have made money with that investment..returned it to you.....and we'd be friends today, capiche?

      As for the hooker, sushi, and strippers.....I believe this event sells itself. But I appreciate the feedback.

      xxx Vegas Vince
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Vince

        Gail's post about toilet issues gave me an idea about a new sponsor - a diaper company. As the population ages, adult diapers are going to become a massive market and you can get in there first!

        Another idea to make it more exciting and attract a big sponsor who will ante up a million dollar prize (Vegas Vince is gonna win it, right?).

        HAVE A RACE!!

        The $1,000,000 Race
        Canoe vs. Bicycle vs. Horseback vs Rollerblades vs Skateboard

        You can do it like the Tour de France and have daily stages so you can have daily winners and overall leader.

        Measure the distance you will be travelling and the others have to find a route which is the same number of miles (or more). In theory the others will be faster than you but, as you pointed out, you won't encounter the geographical hazards they will.

        Also, (naughty me) do it during high summer and while they are sweating their a**** off you'll be surrounded by cool, cool water

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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Birch
            Originally Posted by TOPGUN08 View Post

            # 5 in Google for "canoe across america"
            Heck, have you seen the search stats for this phrase?
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              • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                To all you'se good Warriors who contribued to this thread....thank you'se all.

                To you'se mean and nasty Warriors who spit in my face.....those of you'se who lost your faith in the power of the human spirit years ago......between a broken heart and a bitter life......I forgive you'se all. But life is too long to remain so bitter.

                My Canoe Trip Across America......is living proof that dreams come true.....and when you believe in something with all your heart...the world will rally behind you.

                And sometimes that's all it takes to REACH THE FIRST PAGE OF GOOGLE IN LESS THEN 8 HOURS.

                But that's another story for another time.

                Peace and Love,

                xxx Vegas Vince

                Canoeing Across America Because I Can!
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                • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
                  Here's another way to do it (from an article about TV game-show host Bob Barker):

                  TV producer Ralph Edwards was impressed with Barker's radio performance and thought he should be seen as well as heard. In 1956, he hired Barker to host "Truth or Consequences."

                  "I did it for 18 years," Barker said.

                  The show consisted of Barker making the audience participants go through a variety of stunts. His favorite included the time he had one man paddle a canoe across America.

                  The producers put the man in a canoe in a truck full of water. From time to time through remote camera feeds, Barker checked with the man to see how he was doing.
                  We could rent Vince an RV with a jacuzzi, put him in there with a paddle, and take off!
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                  • Profile picture of the author efwebm
                    Get high on mushrooms and make a video about how awesome a double rainbow is. Then, let it go viral on youtube and post a link somewhere to a site selling double rainbow t-shirts.
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                • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
                  Awesome goal man, and you'll do it I'm sure. To monetize though, consider throwing Frank Kern in the back of the canoe. By the time your 45 days are up, you'll have millions in your bank account. And make room for Jeff Walker towards the end so you can have a mega launch.
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                  • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                    Originally Posted by Rachel Rofe View Post

                    Just reading this thread, it seems like nobody believes you... why not have them put money on it? If you're sure it'd work, that'd be the easiest way, I'd think... get a big pot, match them, and collect the profits 45 days down the line?

                    Another idea (or maybe on top of that) - you have access to celebrities. You could have them come along for parts of the ride... maybe make it a bit of a reality show? Even an Internet reality show... that could get viral, quick...

                    Heck, even if you just made it an Internet show and spit out your jokes as you were canoeing, it'd get viral.

                    From there, you could sell banner advertisements, do affiliate stuff for things like REI or Cabela's... let people pay you to say things on camera... dude, how awesome would it be if there was a marriage proposal or something along the way? You're going to have fun!

                    Rachel Rofe.....Vince loves you, girl! True. On many levels...all for the right reasons, I think.

                    I'm even going to forsake my bad guy character for a moment--- in front of the world---and tell you that you...Rachel Rofe..... represent everything good in the world in my eyes.....a girl with big dreams...and you live them....without always having to ask why shit is going to go wrong. Capiche?

                    A girl who wakes up everyday and sees her life full of "the possible"...not the limitations that most of these bitter sheep see....

                    You view life Rach, as the adventure it was meant to be. And you can't fake that. You either have it...or you don't. You have it.

                    A girl who could have easily been a victim, a sheep, a lemmings---based on the cards life dealt you ...but a tough chick who ultimately decided that life is precious and worth living to it's fullest....and you do so in a most inspiring fashion.

                    Little inspires me anymore. But I can say in all honesty....you'se do. It's a gift I hope you never lose, Miss Rofe.

                    And regarding marriage proposals....if Vegas Vince had half the guts he proclaims to have....he'd man up..... and hit you'se up with that one "big question.".

                    Cuz I know for sure....he couldn't do better then you....girl. true. peace and thanks 4 being U. xxx


                    Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

                    I already offered a $5,000 bet and Vince passed.
                    Bruce......I don't need your 5K bro. I'd probably blow it on the dice tables, anyway. But thanks anyway.

                    This thread wasn't about canoeing through the continental divide.... and why things can't be done...etc.

                    It's about taking an impossible concept....and giving it life...and getting it on the first page of GOOGLE....and showing people that anything can create buzz.....even an impossible canoe trip.

                    I did that without a paddle.....and without the benefit of your logic.

                    I will tell you'se again....there is great value in this thread....MY CANOE TRIP ACROSS AMERICA....if you're willing to put down your map, and "get it."

                    Got it? Good.

                    xxx Vegas Vince

                    My Canoe Trip Across America is ending......
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                  Vince

                  Here's an eBay auction going on right now where a seller is monetizing on his trip from Vernon,BC to Anchorage, Alaska:

                  Bidzii and the Traveling Photo Album - eBay (item 320290031150 end time Aug-29-08 10:33:52 PDT)

                  Maybe you could auction off a blow-up doll and her travel album ;-)
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                • Profile picture of the author Jeff Walker
                  Vince,

                  Good luck with the monetization...

                  I'm not a geography expert, but I think you might need to add a state to your itinerary... Utah and New Mexico only meet at one point - the Four Corners monument, where Utah, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico meet.

                  And there isn't any water at Four Corners... it's bone dry desert.


                  - Jeff
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                  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
                    Jeff,

                    The whole thing was bull$hit. Vince was just using the forum's page rank to get a quick, high listing on google. I took him at his word too... didn't realize we were all used for him to make a point that any marketer already knows.
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                    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

                      Jeff,

                      The whole thing was bull. Vince was just using the forum's page rank to get a quick, high listing on google. I took him at his word too... didn't realize we were all used for him to make a point that any marketer already knows.

                      Bruce,

                      You're half right, bro. My OP was bulls@@T.

                      Which I'm guessing, based on the responses.... 95% of the Warriors proably figured out somewhere on the first page....cuz it wasn't like I tryed to hide how absurd this concept was. Capiche?

                      I don't think most them feel "used."

                      Cuz I'm pretty sure...most of them figured out that one really can't canoe cross country...via Hoover Dam, the Continental Divide, the desert of New Mexico etc etc......thousands of miles in 45 days...etc.

                      Who was "used" here? I don't thnk most feel that way.

                      I am sorry you'se do. Wasn't my intent.

                      It wasn't my intent to score a google ranking either...for a mythical trip that doesn't even have a mythical product to monetize....

                      The VALUE of this post is as follows: for both the belivers and those who didn't....

                      1. Assuming this trip WAS possible.....we got a lot of great ways one could monetize it. For real. Some of the responses were rather brilliant, I think. And can be applied to other trips that actually take place. Truthfully......anyone entering the travel niche would be well advised to reread this thread...because some great information was presented.

                      2. People will often suspend their disbelief in order to make the impossible.....possible.

                      Sometime the best way to solve something that's impossible is to ask what would you do if IT WAS POSSIBLE. Because that's a great way to break down shit in our minds that prevents us from seeing through the ether.

                      3. And if somehow some bullshit op hits google......then there ya go....I guess that's a bonus....and something you'se people can use in your future marketing endeavors when it comes time to selling the real deal.

                      4. If this thread pisses off people.....you'll get over it. To those who figured it out from the jump street....thanks.

                      Truth is....in one thread...we monetized a canoe trip, wrote a love letter to Rachel Rofe, made several of you'se laugh, and pissed off a few others, and maybe....just maybe...we learned a few things along the way about human nature along the way. And Geography too!


                      To me.....that's a good thread.


                      xxx Vegas Vince
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      • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
        Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

        Gadget Man.....you'se don't like me too much do you'se? But I appreciate the fact you'se don't even try and hide it..cuz I can respect that.

        I mean ever since the coffe pot recommendation I made to try and help you burn down your deadbeat friends house...you'se seem to have had it out for Vince here?

        But keep in mind, Vinnie aint the one you'se loaned the 10K to....cuz I'd have made money with that investment..returned it to you.....and we'd be friends today, capiche?

        As for the hooker, sushi, and strippers.....I believe this event sells itself. But I appreciate the feedback.

        xxx Vegas Vince
        Of course I like you Vince. I don't think I can burn down my friend's house to prove it though

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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Wow, that's a big accomplishment. I think most people here had the right idea to monetize this with either a documentary or a book and then going on talk shows to gain publicity.

    No point if no one knows what you did or the accomplishment of it thus you need publicity and gaining the public curiosity through new stands with news papers, talks shows, and obviously the internet! Get it viral on facebook and twitter, get tons of people marketing for you FREE!
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
      Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

      Wow, that's a big accomplishment. I think most people here had the right idea to monetize this with either a documentary or a book and then going on talk shows to gain publicity.

      No point if no one knows what you did or the accomplishment of it thus you need publicity and gaining the public curiosity through new stands with news papers, talks shows, and obviously the internet! Get it viral on facebook and twitter, get tons of people marketing for you FREE!

      Thank you Humbledmarket....

      It was tough to write the book......considering I had to cross the great Salt Lake.....and Hoover Dam was no picnic......so most of the equipment got wet.

      And I don't know if you've ever tried to cross the continental divide but that aint no day in the park either.

      But in the end.......the strength of the human spirit prevailed........the secret water ways......worked.

      And it wasn't about the money....it was the pride of accomplishment.

      No one can take that away from you....


      xxx Vegas Vince
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Only issue I'll see is pessimistic who won't believe you so you need to find some way to proof that you actually indeed did accomplish such feat. You can do so without ruining any trade secrets you have unless it's a personal opinion and choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    When did you actually do it? June 2009? How long did it take?
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    Vinnie, I don't see what the big deal is or why people think this can't be done. I could do it. And in a lot less then 45 days. Granted, I haven't cased it out like you have but on paper it looks doable.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    You can do that Vince - you might have some real rocky rides in front of you - crossing the divide is going to be a total crapper -- and don't forget that the current can be against you. Try to find the routes that will allow you to always be WITH the current. I don't think with satellite that there are any "unknown" waterways left, but to actually attach them all together in one floatable trip takes some very concentrated work. Some of the streams that connect larger waterways will be too shallow and too small to actually traverse. So you might have to change your route now and again.

    Consider - some areas the waterways may have become privatized and will be blocked - some may have been dried up or altered in their direction. Make sure to Google earth every STEP of where you are going. Getting out of a canoe to walk over a mountain at a waterfall is a real bite in the butt. It's bad enough with a white water raft - remember you'll have gear and every time you get out of the canoe to go around a blockage, that's stuff you have to pack with you over land. Trust me on that one. And if you DO have to get out and traverse a blockage over land - there will be people who will hash the fact you didn't do what you said you were going to do.

    Jo Mo wants to go with you - take him. You will need the second person on such a trip -- trust me on that one, too.

    Other than that. Don't see any reason this wouldn't be possible - Indians did it all the time. When you get done with the US - if you make the funds for this one, there's some pretty great waterway systems in Canada, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Oh - money. Get some press on your trip. Get a few sponsors if you can ------- remember sponsors will expect you to be very fully informed about what you are doing and that you can actually accomplish the feat.

    Tell the press your idea or at least set up a blog and get social media to it - ask for donations for the trip.
    Write a journal - and keep some of it online, which means stopping at libraries along the way -don't be stupid enough to take a laptop with you. Trust me on that one, too. LMAO

    Wish I was going with ya. Have a good trip.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sonomacats
      The funny thing is that it's not absurd.

      William Least Heat Moon (the author of Blue Highways) did it in a boat and turned his experience into a book called "River Horse".

      He started in New York and ended up in Oregon at the Pacific.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Vince, you mentioned Lake Mead. Are you taking your canoe through the turbines at Hoover? The river bypasses created when they built the dam do not flow water. I know. I've looked at 'em.
    Hoover Dam is at the very southern portion of that lake/river system. You don't need to go near that damn to get in and out of the lake via water - there are triubutaries. You only need to get to the dam to CROSS the lake by car. (for hundreds of miles anyhow). There's another dam on the south of Mohave - but I'm assuming that you will be taking a tributary out of Mead that cuts to the CO. river or another route.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Does this involve sticking a hot tub on the back of a truck ?

    Or the sewer system ?

    Anyway just make a movie of it.
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    I'll have to see it to believe it. Its an interesting scenario, but pretty sketchy to me right now. As I look at your signature links it appears that you do a great job of crafting scenarios, but I don't see enough signs of follow through. That is my gut feeling, but I would like nothing less than to be proven wrong as it would make for a much more exciting thread.
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