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Banned 11 years ago

To avoid the reach of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Dotcom plans to run his servers with hosting services outside the US.

What a goofball, lol.

Watch, that company he's using for a server host will get bought out by a US company. Next they'll redirect all his crap to a US server. He'll find out when they storm his house again.

He'll show them who's boss!

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Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

What a goofball, lol.

Watch, that company he's using for a server host will get bought out by a US company. Next they'll redirect all his crap to a US server. He'll find out when they storm his house again.

He'll show them who's boss!

You'd think he's simply start his own hosting company, and charge mega high prices to his only customer - Mega.co.nz, from which is hosting company would be run as an entirely separately organisation. :confused:

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Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

He'll find out when they storm his house again

That seems pretty unlikely; the government in New Zealand suffered a lot of political damage and criticism that the country's relationship with the US has become one of servility rather than friendship. Some commentators still think the saga will bring down the government.

And, in the aftermath of the raid, the Courts in New Zealand have declared the warrants used to be invalid, the actions of the FBI while in New Zealand to be in breach of the law, and the actions of GCSB in the run up to to raid to be unlawful. Only last month, the Kiwi Prime Minister had to issue a public apology to Dotcom; I doubt there'll be any future co-operation with the US on stuff like this again by the Kiwis for a very long time, or at least nothing more than token gestures.

I could be wrong, but I think New Zealand is a pretty safe place for him right now; they won't want to touch him with a 40 foot pole!

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

That seems pretty unlikely; the government in New Zealand suffered a lot of political damage and criticism that the country's relationship with the US has become one of servility rather than friendship. Some commentators still think the saga will bring down the government.

And, in the aftermath of the raid, the Courts in New Zealand have declared the warrants used to be invalid, the actions of the FBI while in New Zealand to be in breach of the law, and the actions of GCSB in the run up to to raid to be unlawful. Only last month, the Kiwi Prime Minister had to issue a public apology to Dotcom; I doubt there'll be any future co-operation with the US on stuff like this again by the Kiwis for a very long time, or at least nothing more than token gestures.

I could be wrong, but I think New Zealand is a pretty safe place for him right now; they won't want to touch him with a 40 foot pole!

That's what he thought before his house was stormed by the law. Obviously he was well within reach (still within reach).

That guy starting up the same type of site is a dumb idea, of all the people in the world he'll be the most watched.

He's getting sloppy.

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Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That's what he thought before his house was stormed by the law. Obviously he was well within reach (still within reach).

Yes, and then the Kiwi government embarrassed the hell out of itself, and got slapped about by both public outrage and the legal system. That might not mean anything in many parts of the world but, in places like Kiwiland, it equates to a very high degree of immunity and protection from further attack by officialdom.

Such is the nature of the system (as is the fact that the government can be instantly collapsed by the withdrawal of support from enough MPs in response to sufficient public outrage; therefore, it doesn't actually matter if he's "still within reach" - a repetition of the previous raid would be immediately followed by the fall of the government... and what politician would support something that would end his political career?)

(I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it's kinda funny that the US, which accuses Dotcom of the illegal copying of data, was itself found, by the New Zealand Courts, to have illegally copied data which was given to them illegally, after having being seized... illegally! That doesn't exactly augur well for their case. :rolleyes

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Yes, and then the Kiwi government embarrassed the hell out of itself, and got slapped about by both public outrage and the legal system. That might not mean anything in many parts of the world but, in places like Kiwiland, it equates to a very high degree of immunity and protection from further attack by officialdom.

Such is the nature of the system (as is the fact that the government can be instantly collapsed by the withdrawal of support from enough MPs in response to sufficient public outrage; therefore, it doesn't actually matter if he's "still within reach" - a repetition of the previous raid would be immediately followed by the fall of the government... and what politician would support something that would end his political career?)

There's more than one way to put a dent in his bank account, he doesn't necessarily have to be physically removed from his property (though I don't see it as a big challenge for the Feds.).

His goal is money, which most of that money is probably being spent in a few major countries. For a payment processor like Paypal, they have to follow US law & similar major processors will follow If they want to stay in business.

I see exactly why the Feds. targeted this guy. Organized crimes money is usually used for negative things.

I do admit, the guy has some stones, starting right back up where he left off, which is typical of a thief, they only stop when someone else stops them.

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Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

(though I don't see it as a big challenge for the Feds.).

I do... New Zealand is not under the jurisdiction of the US federal government.

Unless the US plans to invade New Zealand, it can't do diddly-squat without the say-so of the Kiwi government... and, for all the reasons, mentioned above, I doubt that will be forthcoming any time soon.

Originally Posted by yukon

... typical of a thief ...

I'm pretty sure he hasn't actually been found guilty of anything yet (by the Courts in New Zealand... where it matters).

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

I do... New Zealand is not under the jurisdiction of the US federal government.

Unless the US plans to invade New Zealand, it can't do diddly-squat without the say-so of the Kiwi government... and, for all the reasons, mentioned above, I doubt that will be forthcoming any time soon.

Was NZ under US jurisdiction when the law removed him from his property (didn't think that would matter)?

Originally Posted by Thomas

I'm pretty sure he hasn't actually been found guilty of anything yet (by the Courts in New Zealand... where it matters).

Doesn't matter, the Feds. have his domain., I guess he's not guilty with one less domain.

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Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Was NZ under US jurisdiction when the law removed him from his property (didn't think that would matter)?

No, but the FBI had permission to be there... and, having been burned by that, such permission won't be forthcoming from the Kiwi government for a second time (for all the reasons I mentioned in my previous posts, if you care to read any of them).

Originally Posted by yukon

Was NZ under US jurisdiction when the law removed him from his property (didn't think that would matter)?

Doesn't matter, the Feds. have his domain., I guess he's not guilty with one less domain.

True... the US took his domain without him actually being found guilty of anything. Presumably, if he still hasn't been found guilty when the whole saga is over, they will return his property to him, in the interests of justice and fair play. :rolleyes:

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RyanEagle

11 years ago

I'd say it was definitely deliberate, but its pretty clever, lol

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fin

11 years ago

I thought he had me.ga

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hardraysnight

11 years ago

at least the courts in new zealand are independent of political interference, as has been shown

he is a welcome migrant, in many peoples eyes

we thrive on controversy, remember anzus and rainbow warrior

all we need to do now is regain our sovereignty

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I'm glad to see New Zealand standing up for itself.

Lol, NZ supporting an international thief.

That's the funny thing about threads like this, shows peoples true colors.

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hardraysnight 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol, NZ supporting an international thief.

That's the funny thing about threads like this, shows peoples true colors.

perhaps new zealand is finally supporting justice

ironically true colours is an album by our proudest export, split enz
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- yukon Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by hardraysnight
  
  perhaps new zealand is finally supporting justice
  
  ironically true colours is an album by our proudest export, split enz
  
  Cool, so your ok with some guy stealing your car, as long as NZ is ok with it?
  
  The guys a thief, good grief support a worthwhile cause.
  
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  Thomas 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Cool, so your ok with some guy stealing your car, as long as NZ is ok with it?
  
  The guys a thief, good grief support a worthwhile cause.
  
  You may not like this Yukon, but, unfortunately, everything from the national laws in New Zealand right up to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights say he's innocent until proven otherwise. I think Dotcom comes across as an arrogant, pompous git, but I still wouldn't like to see him be tarred-and-feathered until he has actually been found guilty of breaking the law; as of right now, I don't believe that's the case.
  
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hardraysnight

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Indeed it does. Someone here believes the US has the right to step on smaller nations at will. I won't say who.

Whether or not New Zealand wants to prosecute is New Zealand's business.

Not yours.

Not the US's.

i believe the us believes the us has the right to step on smaller nations at will

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hardraysnight

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I'm glad to see New Zealand standing up for itself.

finally standing up for itself would be more accurate, especially from a local point of view

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Banned 11 years ago

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Eagernoob

Megaconz lol. I laughed hard. I wonder when he's finally going to quit trying...

People like that never stop on their own, they get greedy & start getting sloppy. Luckily he doesn't have to depend on himself to stop, there's other people willing to assist.
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SandraLarkin

Banned 11 years ago

The FBI had no right to go after his site. They also have no right to attempt to arrest someone in another country. If you go after his site, you may as well go after all of the worlds search engines, and believe me that is REALLY what they want to control.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SandraLarkin

The FBI had no right to go after his site. They also have no right to attempt to arrest someone in another country. If you go after his site, you may as well go after all of the worlds search engines, and believe me that is REALLY what they want to control.

You might be confused on what stealing actually is?

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SandraLarkin

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You might be confused on what stealing actually is?

The guy did not upload any material himself, his users did. It was just a file/information storage site. A portal to these files, nothing more. It was basically a search engine.

Google hosts direct portals to torrents, and all of the worlds file sharing sites to this day.

They are basically the same thing. If this guy steals, so does google and every other information portal on the internet.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SandraLarkin

The guy did not upload any material himself, his users did. It was just a file/information storage site. A portal to these files, nothing more. It was basically a search engine.

Google hosts direct portals to torrents, and all of the worlds file sharing sites to this day.

They are basically the same thing. If this guy steals, so does google and every other information portal on the internet.

Wrong, he hosted stolen content, then turned around & made a profit. I don't think you understand how megaupload worked.

MU wasn't a torrent site, which BTW BTjunkie also shut down (smart move) shortly after Kim was shutdown.

Google/Bing/Yahoo doesn't host illegal downloads or torrents, not sure why you keep suggesting they're similar to sites like MU that host/share stolen content, they're not the same things.

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SandraLarkin

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Wrong, he hosted stolen content, then turned around & made a profit. I don't think you understand how megaupload worked.

MU wasn't a torrent site, which BTW BTjunkie also shut down (smart move) shortly after Kim was shutdown.

Google/Bing/Yahoo doesn't host illegal downloads or torrents, not sure why you keep suggesting they're similar to sites like MU that host/share stolen content, they're not the same things.

Yea, I know they do not host, but they have them in their algorithm, and give them access. Torrent sites do not host their own content either but they are under fire. There is little difference between a torrent site and a search engine.

In my opinion file sharing sites are nowhere near as bad as a torrent site.

The fact is you can only have so much control of a file sharing site, people will upload what they want. Google as hosted illegal content on their servers as well via Google video, etc. It is impossible to monitor all content at all times on a file sharing site.

For example even right now youtbue has illegal content on it.

I'm not a big expert on megaupload, but how did he make profit, from advertising space?

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hardraysnight

11 years ago

Originally Posted by pdrs

Mega.co.nz or as I read it Mega Conz lol - does he not see the irony in this or is it deliberate?

Kim Dotcom has new

so does this mean any legitimate company operating in new zealand, using .co.nz is a con?

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