I figured out the secret of life

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... and I wanted to share it with you guys, to see what you think!

It came to me in the form of a theory. I call it my 'theory of existence,' at least for now. After all, it's only a day old. Anyway, here goes - keep in mind that I'd suggest setting aside 2-3 minutes to read it through and really digest it before commenting back. Trust me, it'll make for clearer thinking, as it may get complicated.

GOALS
1) To understand why we exist.
2) To explain how people generally perceive their existance.
3) To juxtapose all things as 'black and white' by simplifying them down to their essence (and, consequently, eliminating 'gray areas.')
4) To fathom the sacred simplicity of what everyone wants in life.
5) To contemplate further ideas about ideallistic values such as love, peace and prosperity.

ASSUMPTIONS
1) All consciousness is a judgement between right or wrong.
2) Certain natural things are accepted as 'right.'
3) We believe in the promotion of right things.
4) Things that we perceive as 'not right' are things that feel repulsive.
5) The combination of our experiences makes up our religion.

CRITICISM
1) The words 'right' and 'wrong' are too vague for interpretation.
2) 'Natural' things only seem so because we, observers, deem them as such.
3) Our beliefs, in and of themselves, are irrelevant.
4) There are varying degrees of 'acceptance' and 'repulsion.'
5) Religion is faith; experiences are real; therefore, experiences are not
religious.

REBUTTAL OF CRITICISM
1) Although 'right' and 'wrong' may be poorly defined terms, they can be substituted for opposing pairs of terms that any one person can determine as such. For instance, excessive greed vs. philanthropy.
2) 'Natural' things are those that will maintain themselves without human interaction. For instance, rivers and mountains which have outlived many species are 'Natural.'
3) Our beliefs are relevant to ourselves, despite possibly being irrelevant to outsiders.
4) This theory's goal is to Understand / Explain, not to Prescribe / Control.
5) To say that experiences are independent of religion have to renounce their own set of beliefs, as they would not be able to have them if they did not experience an emotion that provoked said religious thought.

APPLICABLE EXAMPLES
1) "All consciousness is a judgement between righteousness [positivity, enthusiasm, love] or wrongness [negativity, laziness, hate]."
2) "Certain natural things [lakes, oceans, clear skies] are accepted as 'right.'"
3) "We believe in the promotion of right [morality, brotherhood, peace] things."
4) "Things that we perceive as "not right" [war, jealousy, dissonance] feel repulsive."
5) "The combination of our experiences [childhood, school, work, marriage, family deaths] makes up our religion."

The "assumptions" are really the meat and bones here, but I added the other 4 sections just to elaborate!
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    Vip-ip, I dare say you are the genius of the year!
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Vip-ip, I dare say you are the genius of the year!
      As I began questioning myself, I realized how there are 2 sides to each coin; I would ask myself, "can life really be THAT simple?" or "what would someone really religious, or really atheist, say to this?"

      I figured that using 'good' and 'bad' or 'right' and 'wrong' does my theory justice, because of how interchangeable they are, and because they eliminate uncertainties, or so-called "in-betweens."

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Hmmm, when an atheist dies, then they believe that there is life after death; whether they want to or not!


        Yeah, l always like to think about, if God created everything then what created God???

        No matter how you think it through, nothing should exist, but it does!


        I know that scientists say the zero point energy of two, dimensions created everything, but something still needs to create the dimensions, or particles; Arrrrgghhhh!!!! :rolleyes:

        Visualizing a 6 dimensional cube is easier!

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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by Greg71 View Post

            If you believe that God created, then you have grounds to use moral judgement (right/ wrong, good/ bad), because these moral laws are found in the 10 Commandments and throughout the bible.
            What grounds are these?

            Moral? Let's see what the Royal Commission uncovers about the morality of true believers/practitioners, shall we.

            If you believe in the big bang theory/ time and chance :rolleyes:, then there is no right or wrong and it's just survival of the fittest. Do whatever you can get away with, including stealing, raping, killing etc. those weaker then you.
            So all rapists, murderers, robbers are atheists, huh? :rolleyes: Once again, let's see what the Royal Commission uncovers about what believers/practitioners have done to those "weaker than them".

            And a closing quote for you from Matthew 7:

            “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
            Amen to that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Greg71
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              What grounds are these?

              Moral? Let's see what the Royal Commission uncovers about the morality of true believers/practitioners, shall we.

              So all rapists, murderers, robbers are atheists, huh? :rolleyes: Once again, let's see what the Royal Commission uncovers about what believers/practitioners have done to those "weaker than them".

              And a closing quote for you from Matthew 7:

              Amen to that.
              I don't understand your point or the relevance of the link, but thanks...:confused:

              Is it wrong to steal? If so, why? Who made the rule? Who created that standard in the universe? What about killing?

              Animals kill each other because they have no understanding of right/ wrong.

              Humans do. It's what makes us unique among species. Where do you think that understanding comes from?

              I never said they were all atheists, but each of them are breaking God's rules and the laws of most countries, whose moral code is drawn from the bible.

              These people certainly aren't obeying God, at least not the God of the bible.

              These are neutal statements. Don't get upset. And thanks for the scripture quote, I love reading the word of God .
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                Originally Posted by Greg71 View Post

                I don't understand your point or the relevance of the link, but thanks...:confused:

                Is it wrong to steal? If so, why? Who made the rule? Who created that standard in the universe? What about killing?

                Animals kill each other because they have no understanding of right/ wrong.

                Humans do. It's what makes us unique among species. Where do you think that understanding comes from?

                I never said they were all atheists, but each of them are breaking God's rules and the laws of most countries, whose moral code is drawn from the bible.

                These people certainly aren't obeying God, at least not the God of the bible.

                These are neutal statements. Don't get upset. And thanks for the scripture quote, I love reading the word of God .
                It is wrong to steal because humans are social by nature and if people are stealing from each other, the society breaks down. Theft, therefore, is illogical action - and wrong.

                Animals eat each other because biologically that is their need to survive. They don't do so to be right or wrong - they do so to live.

                Many murders take place in the name of a deity, despite any doctrines that say to kill is immoral and wrong. Many religions, too - not just Christianity. People will distort doctrine to justify their purposes and actions. And, no, they aren't following Christian doctrine -- or heeding their own Messiah's words when they do so. But what the bible originally said and what it said after King James had Chaucer edit it are two different animals completely. Most Christians would not recognize their own religion if they heard doctrine from the first scrolls in Aremic.

                The commandments are logical rules for living in a society and making it run smoothly. You don't need to believe in a deity to believe it is wrong to tear apart a society. It is not even starting to make sense to do that, whether you think you are gone when you are dead or that you live on afterward. It's not really even logical, in light of what quantum physics tells us to think that we would not survive death in one form or another. So -- if you are going to make a mistake, which side of that mistake do you want to be on? The one that will tank you for good, or the one that will make life, in any form, more pleasant?
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                Originally Posted by Greg71 View Post

                I don't understand your point or the relevance of the link, but thanks...:confused:

                Is it wrong to steal? If so, why? Who made the rule? Who created that standard in the universe? What about killing?

                Animals kill each other because they have no understanding of right/ wrong.

                Humans do. It's what makes us unique among species. Where do you think that understanding comes from?

                I never said they were all atheists, but each of them are breaking God's rules and the laws of most countries, whose moral code is drawn from the bible.

                These people certainly aren't obeying God, at least not the God of the bible.

                These are neutal statements. Don't get upset. And thanks for the scripture quote, I love reading the word of God .
                The Bible also says slavery of foreign people is OK, as long as they get the Sabbath off from working. Divorce is a sin.

                Being judged by 12 peers, the basis of our judicial system, is a pagan viking principle.

                Also, in a recent poll concerning torture of suspected terrorists, 39% of atheists were against torture and 29% of Christians were.

                In a test of religious knowledge, atheists had the highest test scores of any demographic:
                http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html
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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  In a test of religious knowledge, atheists had the highest test scores of any demographic:
                  Basic Religion Test Stumps Many Americans - NYTimes.com
                  An even better test is the one from Mrs Betty Bowers.

                  You can take the test here - Betty Bowers' Bible Quiz: Are You Going Straight To Hell? Find out!

                  Incidentally, I got every question right which apparently means I'm welcome "up there" when I pass away.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    The commandments are logical rules for living in a society and making it run smoothly. You don't need to believe in a deity to believe it is wrong to tear apart a society. It is not even starting to make sense to do that, whether you think you are gone when you are dead or that you live on afterward. It's not really even logical, in light of what quantum physics tells us to think that we would not survive death in one form or another. So -- if you are going to make a mistake, which side of that mistake do you want to be on? The one that will tank you for good, or the one that will make life, in any form, more pleasant?
                    Yep, lock a group of scientists up in a room, and they will come up with the same set of rules!

                    But as in any set of rules, individuals may break one or two without incident, but other may not!

                    That's why other countries have similar rules; it's just common sense!

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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Greg71,

                I see that HeySal has covered most of what I wanted to say already, but nevertheless I thought as your post was directed at me, I should respond to you.

                I don't understand your point or the relevance of the link, but thanks...:confused:
                It is about an investigation into the abuse (sexual and otherwise) committed by religious institutions. Similar to the inquiries held in America and Ireland. Its relevance is that some people of faith, in fact leaders of people of faith preying on the weakest members of society (children) for their own perverted pleasures, and the subsequent cover up of these crimes by the hierarchy of these institutions.

                Animals kill each other because they have no understanding of right/ wrong.
                Wrong. They kill each other for survival purposes (food, defence, etc..) Humans are the only animals that kill for no purpose, and sometimes do it for no other reason than pleasure.

                Humans do. It's what makes us unique among species. Where do you think that understanding comes from?
                See the above paragraph.

                I never said they were all atheists, but each of them are breaking God's rules and the laws of most countries, whose moral code is drawn from the bible.
                Rape, murder and stealing are all illegal in Japan, and yet they don't draw their "moral code" from the Bible. Same in India, and scores of other countries with no connection at all to the Bible. Those are even crimes in Muslim countries.

                These people certainly aren't obeying God, at least not the God of the bible.
                Do you eat bacon, ham or pork? If so you are breaking one of your god's laws. (Leviticus 11:7). How about lobster? Crabs? Prawns? Oysters? Mussels? Once again, naughty (Leviticus 11:9,10).

                Leviticus goes on to reveal that there are no problems at all with killing, and elaborates on not only who should be killed, but the manner in which they shall be killed.

                These are neutal statements. Don't get upset. And thanks for the scripture quote, I love reading the word of God .
                So do I. After reading the bible (admittedly only the KJV - sorry Sal ) from cover to cover, I abandoned religion in favour of humanism and science.

                All the best to you and your loved ones.
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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  Greg71,


                  Leviticus goes on to reveal that there are no problems at all with killing, and elaborates on not only who should be killed, but the manner in which they shall be killed.
                  That's KJV and a few previous edits, all the way. The first Christians were vegetarians. They believed in killing................ Nothing. Jesus never told anyone that killing anyone was okay - and he was a House of Solomon relation - ruling class. The "it's okay to kill if someone is this........." was added in AD and was not part of the BC scrolls that were originally compiled into the book. The witchcraft thing, however, was a rule of Pharaohs and kings. They didn't like someone with powers they couldn't control. Those rules had nothing to do with the Messiah's teachings at all. Even before the religion was beginning to take hold, women seen as dabbling in witchcraft were in deep dooky if they got caught - men, however, not so much. They were often made royal advisers. Go figure.
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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    That's KIV and a few previous edits, all the way. The first Christians were vegetarians. They believed in killing................ Nothing. Jesus never told anyone that killing anyone was okay - and he was a House of Solomon relation - ruling class. The "it's okay to kill if someone is this........." was added in AD and was not part of the BC scrolls that were originally compiled into the book.
                    Leviticus concerns Moses, not Jesus. These were what "God" allegedly told Moses about how to live their (the Hebrews, not Christians) lives, and killing was ok for certain things such as children being disobedient (they were to be taken outside the city gates and stoned - with stones that is ).

                    Jesus was a direct descendent of King David, and had a literal claim to the title of "King Of The Jews". The word Messiah has nothing to do with religion. It means "anointed one" as Jewish Kings were "anointed" before commencing their rule.

                    What we today call Chrisitianity should actually be called Paulianity as it is based on Paul's interpretation of what happened, and his view of the world, not Jesus's.
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                    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                      Leviticus concerns Moses, not Jesus. These were what "God" allegedly told Moses about how to live their (the Hebrews, not Christians) lives, and killing was ok for certain things such as children being disobedient (they were to be taken outside the city gates and stoned - with stones that is ).

                      Jesus was a direct descendent of King David, and had a literal claim to the title of "King Of The Jews". The word Messiah has nothing to do with religion. It means "anointed one" as Jewish Kings were "anointed" before commencing their rule.

                      What we today call Chrisitianity should actually be called Paulianity as it is based on Paul's interpretation of what happened, and his view of the world, not Jesus's.
                      Ah. You know your crap, WPedia. I can't argue it from what I know. I knew Jesus's genology. I know what the "religion" originally looked like, and how it morphed during Chaucer's edits for KJ. I also know, and have read the origin material for both the biblical version of Creation, and of Judgement. Both works existed way before a bible. One was Sumerian (the Enuma Elish) and the other, not sure. The oldest copy is from somewhere in Africa, some 600 years before the first bible was actually compiled. Can't remember what year(s) they accredit to that. I know it's morphed several times, too. There's actually quite a few versions, at least 2 of which are in use today by live religious orders. I didn't remember that stoning was still in the KJ. Seems like someone would have edited that out by these years.
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        • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Hmmm, when an atheist dies, then they believe that there is life after death; whether they want to or not!


          Yeah, l always like to think about, if God created everything then what created God???


          No matter how you think it through, nothing should exist, but it does!



          I know that scientists say the zero point energy of two, dimensions created everything, but something still needs to create the dimensions, or particles; Arrrrgghhhh!!!! :rolleyes:

          Visualizing a 6 dimensional cube is easier!

          Shane
          You reminded me of a video clip I saw awhile back that gave me a chuckle...:p
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    I see an outline here for reacting to life with critical thinking -- but you forgot the conclusion. All you've given is observation. I want the freaking SECRET.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I see an outline here for reacting to life with critical thinking -- but you forgot the conclusion. All you've given is observation. I want the freaking SECRET.
      Ahh, the secret By the way, if anyone's seen the movie, PM me and we can chat about it if you want :p

      Much like my "toe", the secret itself (not the movie, but this thread) is a double-edged sword. Your observation is correct, it's just an outline to reacting to life, and in that reaction, I... discover the secret!

      It wouldn't REALLY be secret if I told you, now... would it?

      Here's a movie clip (it's under 4 minutes) that sums up how I feel about applying my outline. Without too much plot information, the main character (Will Ferrell) hears a voice in his head that narrates his life, and the professor (Dustin Hoffman) that he is talking to told him who the actual book author voice is. He went to meet her, found out he is a hero in her new book, and he knows that she has killed off every hero in the past 10 books. The author gave the manuscript to the professor, who has to tell the main character that he has to die, otherwise the book is no good. Enjoy. And if you like to read, then here is a piece that follows right after that clip:

      Professor Hilbert: You were right. This narrator might very well kill you, so I humbly suggest that you just forget all this and go live your life.
      —Harold: Go live my life? I am living my life. I’d like to continue to live my life.
      Professor Hilbert: *signs* I know. Of course. I mean all of it. However long you have left. You know, I mean, Harold, you could use it to have an adventure. You know, invent something, or just finish reading Crime and Punishment. Hell, Harold, you could just eat nothing but pancakes if you wanted.
      —Harold: What’s wrong with you? Hey. I don’t wanna eat nothing but pancakes. I wanna live. Who in their right mind in a choice between pancakes and living…chooses pancakes?
      Professor Hilbert: Harold, if you’d pause to think, I believe you’d realize that that answer’s inextricably contingent upon the type of life being led…and of course, the quality of the pancakes. You don’t understand what I’m saying.
      —Harold: Yes, I do. But you have to understand that this isn’t a philosophy or a literary theory or a story to me. It’s my life.
      Professor Hilbert: Absolutely. So just go make it the one you’ve always wanted.
      Regards,
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    Thanks for sharing VIP-IP

    A good reference for the secret to life is;
    Tom Campbells 'My Big Toe' ('Toe' being the acronym for 'Theory Of Everything')

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    The secret to life is "becoming". We spend our lives becoming. We continue to become by surviving death.

    You don't have to be religious to have morals. Who thought of that one. You can be scientific - understand that energy cannot be extinquished, only tranformed "becoming". Your motivation is to strive for creative, positive energy that will result in a vibrating frequency that will attract things that vibrate harmoniously with your frequency.

    BTW -- the Secret was marketing. Not much new at all - just some real damned good marketing. There was no secret given. Just some teasers.
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The secret to life is "becoming". We spend our lives becoming. We continue to become by surviving death.

      You don't have to be religious to have morals. Who thought of that one. You can be scientific - understand that energy cannot be extinquished, only tranformed "becoming". Your motivation is to strive for creative, positive energy that will result in a vibrating frequency that will attract things that vibrate harmoniously with your frequency.
      Bam. And my OP is an analytical framework of understanding this very concept. Again, not prescriptive, but observational.

      I guess the 6th criticism would then be, "I don't want to be an onlooker; who cares about people-watching, I need a SMART goal to get my life in order!"

      To which I'd shrug and say, "sorry."

      We all have disorder to get rid of. That's the nature of the energy flowing. Evolving. Growing. From greater uncertainty, to greater certainty. From darkness, into illumination.

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        Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

        Bam. And my OP is an analytical framework of understanding this very concept. Again, not prescriptive, but observational.

        I guess the 6th criticism would then be, "I don't want to be an onlooker; who cares about people-watching, I need a SMART goal to get my life in order!"

        To which I'd shrug and say, "sorry."

        We all have disorder to get rid of. That's the nature of the energy flowing. Evolving. Growing. From greater uncertainty, to greater certainty. From darkness, into illumination.

        Regards,
        vip-ip ...
        Yep now you're smokin'. -- and probably the same stuff I am. :rolleyes: So what ya takin' in school? Epistemology?
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    Whoah. Yeah WEpedia - sick em, buddy. I'm impressed.

    Ya get that from the Aremic version or were you digging through King James version of it? Oh yeah - big difference in the morality structure. LMAO.
    Okay, so dude. Um...............Greg is it? Hmmm. So you are saying that someone who is athiest has no reason to be a decent person? I happen to not be religious. I believe in science. God = energy. It is not judgemental - it reacts to different frequencies differently. Your free will allows you build the correct frequencies. God doesn't "care", "he" connects and conducts.

    Okay - some people call that athiesm, since the gods of most religion are personified and thusly attributed with having human emotion "caring". Some people considered Athiests are actually Quantum physics oriented. Many of us believe in a personally disinterested energy at the core. To connect -- you must resonate accordingly............and that results in "morals".
    So the holier than thou..............stops .................................here.
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    So what ya takin' in school? Epistemology?
    Started out in biz school, got accepted off-campus an hour away. Also, taking prerequisites for the business school made me realize how much c***suckery goes on - starting with applications, and it doesn't end until you climb up someone else's ladder, and MAYBE become an exec at some firm. Seeing as that's 40 hours of commute there-and-back each month, I switched to Communications. Best decision I ever made. Teaches me everything I needed to learn - and everything Biz School is designed to hide from your sight. Thanks to this revelation, I am now learning how to build my own ladders. Biz school is designed to teach you to run someone else's systems, not build new ones. Comm tells you how people think and interact - far more valuable, IMO, than what "new product development steps" are or why a balance sheet differs from an income statement.

    I toy around with philosophy/spirituality just for kicks. One of my first IM clients is a philosophy professor in FL, coolest/smartest guy I've ever met. He loves epistemology.

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    Dude you need to be in some philosophy courses. Trust me on this one. Logic 101 and 102 will blow your head apart. Serious. That will completely flip your poles. It's business related, too, so it's not like it's wasting time toward your degree. From looking at your OP, I think you'd dig it strongly.
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    On a hypothetical note, if there is a God , and he is fair, then the natural law of karma is the most fair scale of justice there could be in existence. It would be automated justice. I believe it works on a vibrational level.

    Ps.

    I think Rudyard Kipling best describes the meaning of life in a line from his poem "If..."

    "...If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew to serve your turn, long after they are gone..., and so hold on, when there is nothing in you, except the will, which says to them hold on..."

    What is your will...? Its what you leave behind. When you write poetry like Rudyard did, it forces your heart and nerve and sinew to serve your turn long after they are gone...
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Obviously you don't know that.

      Talking about religion on this forum will get the thread deleted.
      Hmmmm, better post this while l can; and for the record l am doing my best to keep religion out of my threads, (some are quoting from the bible, l am trying to keep away from that).


      I won't comment on the thread l did before, because l can't really answer that without sounding like l have been at the lemon sherbert!

      But, scientifically, l will say this, there was a man in Australia who developed a SQUID, (basically stands for a helium cooled imaging system).

      This imaging system allows you to see the human aura or electromagnetic energy field in real time, (or the colors). Nothing new age there, everyone knows we have a small electrical charge, but the thing is that the human aura also has blobs of energy, which could be proven that they are intelligent and independent beings. Or spirit guides.

      And other seriously cool stuff, basically prove that there is more to life than meets the eye.

      But, every-time he develops this device, gov, officials confiscate this device, etc!!!

      Usual, BS, if gov, officials actually told us the real truth, l think that most people would be in a state of shock!!!


      So, true you don't have to kill an athiest, to get them to believe, just show them, prefibaly in a secret lab!!!! :rolleyes:

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    • Profile picture of the author lastdual
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      On a hypothetical note, if there is a God , and he is fair, then the natural law of karma is the most fair scale of justice there could be in existence. It would be automated justice. I believe it works on a vibrational level.
      Karma, when treated as a law rather than a possibility, actually destroys any basis for morality. Why? Because it's a universal justifier.

      Under a strict view of karma, all events (beyond the very first) represent justice being worked out, and therefore whatever happens to someone, it can be said that "they had it coming", whether due to their own fault or the fault of some ancestor, etc.

      This makes every atrocity justifiable and effectively nullifies judgments of good and evil. "All is good, all is god" becomes the mantra, which is frankly a dangerous outlook.
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      • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
        Originally Posted by lastdual View Post

        Karma, when treated as a law rather than a possibility, actually destroys any basis for morality. Why? Because it's a universal justifier.

        Under a strict view of karma, all events (beyond the very first) represent justice being worked out, and therefore whatever happens to someone, it can be said that "they had it coming", whether due to their own fault or the fault of some ancestor, etc.

        This makes every atrocity justifiable and effectively nullifies judgments of good and evil. "All is good, all is god" becomes the mantra, which is frankly a dangerous outlook.
        I never thought of it like that. That karma nullifies morality. So you're saying this is because karma, viewed as a 'universal' law, would have to apply equally to everyone, therefore perpetually "leveling out" the "total goodness" generated by humans to some set, pre-determined outcome? Which, I guess, to one degree or another would have to affect the notion of free will vs. destiny, huh... :confused:

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by lastdual View Post

        Karma, when treated as a law rather than a possibility, actually destroys any basis for morality. Why? Because it's a universal justifier.

        Under a strict view of karma, all events (beyond the very first) represent justice being worked out, and therefore whatever happens to someone, it can be said that "they had it coming", whether due to their own fault or the fault of some ancestor, etc.

        This makes every atrocity justifiable and effectively nullifies judgments of good and evil. "All is good, all is god" becomes the mantra, which is frankly a dangerous outlook.
        I'm not sure if that is exactly true. Karma is basically a principle.

        In modern terms, karma is what goes around comes around.

        In the Bible it's whatsoever a man sows, that also shall he reap.

        If you study the Biblical principle, you will see that not all good is God. For instance, good done for evil purposes is evil. Evil is not good. Evil is not God.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by lastdual View Post

        Karma, when treated as a law rather than a possibility, actually destroys any basis for morality. Why? Because it's a universal justifier.

        Under a strict view of karma, all events (beyond the very first) represent justice being worked out, and therefore whatever happens to someone, it can be said that "they had it coming", whether due to their own fault or the fault of some ancestor, etc.

        This makes every atrocity justifiable and effectively nullifies judgments of good and evil. "All is good, all is god" becomes the mantra, which is frankly a dangerous outlook.
        Karma can be a justifier when used to explain bad things that happen. When something goes wrong in my life I jokingly say "Wow, I must have been a royal bitch in my last life."

        That still doesn't mean people will feel free to commit evil against someone else.......because, whether the person "earned" it or not - if you deal with negative energy, you draw more of it. Your goal would be to let the universe judge (a point at which we can go back to biblical verse) and avoid incurring repercussions of playing with negative energy. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth works in both ends of the good/evil spectrum. It is believed in many sectors you can clear up negative karma if you create enough good energy.

        As far as the statement about Athiests being able to believe in survival of death. Depends. I think the argument becomes purely semantic at some points. You can believe in Quantum physics and, thus, believe that it is ONLY possible to survive death because energy can't be destroyed - but energy is not "caring" - it works on certain principles and you either violate them or you don't. So it would depend on your definition of "God" whether such an Athiest is actually even an Athiest. If you believe that God is a benevolent, caring entity, who actually watches over us - they would still actually qualify as athiests, since energy is not "benevolent" or "caring" nor does it make "judgment". You either are in tune with the principles of energy or you are not. If you violate them, you get zapped.

        I would think that this view of a universal "intelligence" would make for a higher standard of morals. Religions often personify their deity, and children know that sometimes parents or authority can be forgiving. Energy is not.

        So I think the question is whether someone with a scientific view of our being rather than a religious one can, in actuality, be considered an Athiest. I consider myself Athiestic as far as the traditional concept of God. I do not consider myself an athiest as far as thinking that this life is it for us.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by lastdual View Post

        Karma, when treated as a law rather than a possibility, actually destroys any basis for morality. Why? Because it's a universal justifier.

        Under a strict view of karma, all events (beyond the very first) represent justice being worked out, and therefore whatever happens to someone, it can be said that "they had it coming", whether due to their own fault or the fault of some ancestor, etc.

        This makes every atrocity justifiable and effectively nullifies judgments of good and evil. "All is good, all is god" becomes the mantra, which is frankly a dangerous outlook.
        Interesting observation. It appears logical when considered in isolation. Without pondering it, it does seem to be a very narrow viewpoint. Simple tit for tat when looked at through that lens. That lens doesn't factor in good karma though, or the balance of good and bad karma.
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    This imaging system allows you to see the human aura or electromagnetic energy field in real time, (or the colors). Nothing new age there, everyone knows we have a small electrical charge, but the thing is that the human aura also has blobs of energy, which could be proven that they are intelligent and independent beings. Or spirit guides.
    There's that, there's HAARP, there's ... a lot of stuff. But that's more so government conspiracies, I'm talking about living a life of meaning & purpose, UNDER those conspiracies

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  • Profile picture of the author tlangdon
    Do you actually think these are the secrets and can you prove that?
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by tlangdon View Post

      Do you actually think these are the secrets and can you prove that?
      Good question. These aren't separate secrets - I think of them as parts of a grander constituency. You can't prove it, much like you can't prove that asbestos is safe until it starts killing people. Or that a doctor has a proven cure, until he cures 1,000 patients.

      Life is like medicine or law: you don't do it, you practice it.

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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    Originally Posted by michael26a View Post

    The secret to life is figuring out how Google works, hitting page 1 for your desired keywords, and doing everything in your power to keep Matt Cutts happy. If you can do all of those things, you've lived an amazing life
    Let's look at it my way:

    Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

    ASSUMPTIONS
    1) All consciousness is a judgement between right or wrong.
    2) Certain natural things are accepted as 'right.'
    3) We believe in the promotion of right things.
    4) Things that we perceive as 'not right' are things that feel repulsive.
    5) The combination of our experiences makes up our religion.
    1) All rankings are a judgment between relevance (quality content) or irrelevance (spam).
    2) Certain sites are considered "relevant." (e.g., Wikipedia, news sites, Amazon, Facebook)
    3) We believe in the promotion of relevant sites.
    4) Sites that we perceive as 'spam' feel repulsive.
    5) The combination of pages containing a relevant key phrase make up SERPs.

    Would you look at that - it fits

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      There's that, there's HAARP, there's ... a lot of stuff. But that's more so government conspiracies, I'm talking about living a life of meaning & purpose, UNDER those conspiracies

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      Yep, get you! living a life of meaning until you hit the jackpot online, is possible, but limited!

      Usually the only real thing we can do, to enlighten the world is post here!


      Although the internet or YouTube has leveled the playing field or offered tantalizing proof that gov, are hiding stuff out there; and stuff on Earth as well, l will give you an example...

      I did a Thread of free energy, (you will have to look it up) and after a lot of discussion, etc, l found a video showing how a kid could build something out of Lego, if he wanted that would put out free power for lets say 50 years, (minus servicing).

      I tried this myself and got it to work!

      So, here we have something that virtually anyone could build, with magnets, that could drastically cut down on pollution, etc.

      And what have we seen, gov, churning out wind farms, and solar panels? Neither run 24/7, and are expensive to build, etc.


      No, this world puts money before health, saving the environment and ending world poverty!


      And as l have learned individuals that have tried to push this to electrical company's, are treated like dirt, and end up broke.


      No, make a wad online, develop this stuff and leak it onto YouTube, seems to be the only way to cut through gov, crap, and make the world a better place!

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  • Profile picture of the author affshow
    Life is simple, as well as complicated. Sometime, I feel tired when I think about it carefully, most of the time, I would rather pretend to be a fool. But what we should know is that when a person says nothing and smiles, not symblize that he or she doesnot know.
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    Wild. I could only wish for THIS good a conversation on my WSO threads

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I sense an anomaly in the field. Here we are in the OT - and there is a thread about the secret of life. There are 30 posts in this thread and not one time has one person posted .................

    42.

    Now that's just not normal.
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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I sense an anomaly in the field. Here we are in the OT - and there is a thread about the secret of life. There are 30 posts in this thread and not one time has one person posted .................

      42.

      Now that's just not normal.
      We're more esoteric than sci-fi, I guess

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  • Profile picture of the author CharlieFor
    I've spent much of my day off here reading a book on Kundalini energy. I daresay, OP has provided something more interesting and more to the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
    I don't want religion to kill this thread! Anyone here seen
    ?

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by vip-ip View Post

      I don't want religion to kill this thread!
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      Serious. So far it's been a pretty scholastic discussion. Can't guarantee it will stay that way. It's a damned good thread so I am hoping it will stay. WEpedia is knocking me out here - I have seen him in here forever or such, and I never knew he had the sharps about this stuff he does. I'm loving it. Usually someone would have killed the thread by now - either some jerk that can't get that something can be discussed on an objective level without their "it's all about me" subjectivity on the subject (which is what killed it in here in the first place) - or some Mod will look at it and say "uh oh" and kill the thread before the excrement hits the air conditioning when the subjectified jerk finally gets here.

      I loved philosophy in school. There was a pub not far from campus. A bunch of us would smoke a fattie and go sit at the pub and construct theories about the same categorical merit of your OP. Asti helped with that one, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    I don't want religion to kill this thread! Anyone here seen
    Yep, apparently it comes from intelligent machines below Mars surface directing drones to create these design,s; from direction from other beings!!! :rolleyes:

    Or it could just be a couple of scientist with boards??:confused:

    I like the alien one myself, makes a good premise for a movie!


    But in all seriousness, if they are 10,000 or more years ahead of us, then Harry Potter type science is more than possible, or way out there theory's.


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  • Profile picture of the author nawshale
    Great posts around here. I enjoyed reading
    Keep your ideas flowing guys
    I respect everyone's opinion, so I won't contribute anymore.

    By the way, Vip-ip I have watched "the secret" already. and would like to read the book. Great post you were able to catch the attention of many. kudos
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Brain chemistry has a lot to do with feelings and perception.
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  • Profile picture of the author biz2mob
    My secret to life is consciousness, if you have enough of it, you can see things clearly, you can decide when you want to be happy, sad, angry, joyous, or whatever else you want. You determine how you feel about everything, you have that much control. It's liberating.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Interesting observation. It appears logical when considered in isolation. Without pondering it, it does seem to be a very narrow viewpoint. Simple tit for tat when looked at through that lens. That lens doesn't factor in good karma though, or the balance of good and bad karma.
      Hmmm, but you also have the law of conservation, the law of increasing returns, etc!

      In other words, work hard for as long as it takes and one day, because of the law of karma you will be in the right place at the right time, and something very positive will happen.

      Other authors have called this, the cubic centimeter of chance, which only occurs to those who refuse to give in, no matter how hopeless the situation is!

      I have experienced this so many times, that l know that law of karma is real, and also know that if you give up, and quit you may miss it!

      There is more to this reality than meets the eye!

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    • Profile picture of the author vip-ip
      Originally Posted by biz2mob View Post

      My secret to life is consciousness, if you have enough of it, you can see things clearly, you can decide when you want to be happy, sad, angry, joyous, or whatever else you want. You determine how you feel about everything, you have that much control. It's liberating.
      Speaking of seeing things clearly and determining how you feel... This broadened my worldview SO much!


      Random, but this is how we f**c around on the east coast, I guess. If you live here and you never knew... surprise

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  • Profile picture of the author FIP
    Probably the most succinct response here is that when anyone discovers the secret to life then that is their secret to life.

    Now that the succinct part is out the way

    Life is far, far too multi dimensional to even consider thinking/feeling you can determine an objective definition of the secret to life for others.

    That said, a subjective world/s view is a different story...or is that reality?

    Its interesting to discuss either way!
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